Guus Hiddink knew only to well where the week spot in this Everton team was going to be and his Jose Mourhino built side cruelly exposed it time after time after time. Our right hand side was torn to shreds with such ease is was painful to watch.
In the end, I felt sorry for both Hibbert and Osman who are simply not good enough at this level. Watching Hibbert these last couple of months, it was plain to see how badly out of form Tony is and Osman has been even worse apart from the two goals last weekend.
I thought the mauling our right hand side took on Saturday was a disaster waiting to happen and unfortunately for us it happened in the Cup Final of all games. How come David Moyes is the only one out there who hasn't sussed this out yet?
Now I am not saying we would've beaten Chelsea with different players in the team but it sure wouldn't have been as easy as it was for them if Osman and Hibbert had been replaced by Jacobsen and Rodwell.
It's taken me a couple of days to get over this defeat but in the cold light of day the gulf in class between the two sides is what made the difference on the day. Unless Moyes starts to get over this blind spot he has for certain players, we will never break our grim record against the Sky Four, will we?
As for our supporters, how do we find the words to descriibe them? Even the Chelsea fans sat near us couldn't believe our support. It was as if Goodison Park had been planted in the middle of North London. The Blue of Everton swamped the arena as it was time to play Spot the Cockneys. Chelsea are a horrible club with shit fans and obnoxiuos players. We couldn't have lost the final to a less deserving bunch of tossers.
With the spine of our side ripped out, this game was always going to be a tough one and it is typical of our luck that we never get it easy. Having said that, we make things hard on our selves all the time and Saturday's team selection left us with a mountain to climb. I still having cold sweats thinking about the space on the right...
Travelling down to Wembley on Saturday I said to my pals that the Semi Final win over Man Utd would take some beating as an experience, regardless of Saturday's result. I think the best thing we can all do is look back at the wonderful day we had at Wembley in April and put this last trip down to a harsh lesson learned from a superior foe.
Let's hope and pray that David Moyes can learn to be more ruthless when it comes to discarding driftwood from his squad. If not, then winning finals (if we get there again) will be just as painful as this latest one.
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1 Posted 01/06/2009 at 14:09:42
Moderate praise for team’s achievements...
Lack of over the top incendiary criticism of manager...
Support for fellow fans...
Hmm, either the sun’s getting to Tony or there’s an imposter in our midst!
2 Posted 01/06/2009 at 14:10:00
I was disapointed with our left side also, Baines hardly ever got forward, when he did we always looked like creating chances.
Too many long balls also, particularly in the first half. I watched it with a Canadian mate who doesn?t really follow football and he kept asking why do we keep whacking the ball up the field to the opposition. That?s what they were instructed to do I guess.
I think Moyes has an inferiority complex against the top four, which passes itself onto the team, he needs to get rid of it.
Still, lots of great moments over the season, shame it wasn?t capped off.
3 Posted 01/06/2009 at 14:09:14
I can?t believe I?m saying it but absolutely spot on! Beaten by a superior team on the day that had done its homework and new exactly where to exploit us. I?m not as critical of Hibbert & Osman as you are; my view is that they are decent premier league players however as you rightly highlight, look out of their depth against the big hitters. If we are to make that next step, the quality bar in certain areas needs to be raised. I am stating the obvious ? I?m sure our manager knows what needs to be done, hopefully he will get the tools to do it.
Anyway, stepping back from Saturday?s pain, if we still feel low after finishing 5th, qualifying for Europe and being runners up in the cup final, it bears testimony to how far we have come in only 5 or 6 years. It is now vital that the momentum is maintained.
My final bit is to echo your sentiments. Our support was superb and the Chelsea fans quite simply were outclassed and didn?t know how to respond. Like you say, of all the teams we could have lost to why did it have to be an arrogant club with the most arrogant fans in football? Is it me or do Chelsea fans only go to the match to slag off the opposition rather than support their team? Even in victory heading towards Wembley Park all they seemed to be able to muster was those witty & unoriginal chants of "your support is fucking shit" followed by other cockney classics such as you?re shit & you know you are". Thanks guys, you must have sat up all night thinking of the words to those!
Keep the faith, never stop believing and be proud of our club, its traditions, its team and most of all its tremendous support. Pray god we never end up like them!
4 Posted 01/06/2009 at 14:20:21
I would have liked to have seen Rodwell on for Osman at half time. Still we must look forward and hope for some good draws in the cups next year. I like going to Wembley even though that is 7 finals I have watched the blues at Wembley only winning 2.
5 Posted 01/06/2009 at 14:18:58
6 Posted 01/06/2009 at 14:19:56
Hibbert & Osman were pretty poor on Saturday ? there was far too much space on that side, and Osman must take some blame for that as he looked rather lost ? was he playing inside or out wide? He had no more of an idea than we did and I sat on the halfway line right by the Chelsea fans like you so had a great view 20 rows from the front.
Chelsea remind me of Leeds in the 70?s, big, strong, and bullying ? they?re very hard to beat purely on that basis alone.
On to Chelsea?s fans, I have to say that I have also rarely seen a more unpleasant bunch of people in all my days ? being only a few yards from them, we of course gave them plenty of well mannered stick when we scored early on, but the bile being thrown back was unreal. The stewards tried to step in on various occasions, because while all us Evertonians were giving them good natured banter, all we got back were offers to go outside for a fight, and hurlings of abuse from them ? really really nasty people a lot of them.
Some friends of mine were in the Chelsea end (so was I until a kind steward found me a Chelsea fan in our end to swap tickets with!) and apparently when we scored, they celebrated, someone was punched, a fight broke out and the Evertonians were ejected from the ground with only a minute gone ? charming!
All that said, the atmosphere our end was amazing and made for a brilliant day out ? drinking in the Blue Check and then walking up Wembley Way was a right laugh and all in all I loved all of it ? despite the result!
We?ll be back ? up the blues!
7 Posted 01/06/2009 at 14:12:19
I have desparately wanted Hibbert to do well for so long but I’m afraid that Saturday showed just what a gulf in class there is between him and a proper Premier League full back. That Jacobsen could come on and do an infinately better job just about says it all.
It is very encouraging to see though that Baines and Pienaar did exactly what was required on the left and Anelka was forced inside in the end.
However, unfortunately the memory that I will take away from the Cup Final apart from that amazing start is Ashley Cole bursting into our penalty area with Hibbert jogging behind.
As for the fans - if the team had received all the plaudits in the weekend’s press that the fans have we would have very few problems.
Oh I forgot Osman - did he play!
8 Posted 01/06/2009 at 14:41:51
And the space and time Lampard had to hit the winner, just summed up the difference between the two sides. No disgrace, as we had the backbone of our side missing. Just hope Arteta Yakubu, and Jags are back for the start of next season.
9 Posted 01/06/2009 at 15:06:43
10 Posted 01/06/2009 at 15:17:04
11 Posted 01/06/2009 at 15:12:32
I also think that last minute goal Barca scored against Chelsea proved to be costly for us and Chelsea who were the first ’big’ team we’ve played with no injuries or distractions beat us in a canter.
Moyes had to play a 5 man midfield against Chelsea because we’re just not good enough in that department. Like most Evertonians he thought we could take them on with 442 and our goal only fired them up sooner and our midfield was unable to match theirs. And your fears about Osman and Hibbert were confirmed.
Great support though and it was worth the entrance money to see 30,000 Evertonians singing ’We shall not be moved’.
12 Posted 01/06/2009 at 15:17:05
Seriously Tony that’s a balanced view for a change. In Hibbo’s defence the early booking was a bit harsh, and clearly he was inhibited after that so the substitution was inevitable at half time. Osman did look out of his depth (or knackered!) on Saturday and I was surprised we didn’t see Rodwell at some stage. All in all Moyes didn’t have that many options and I think I’d have gone with his starting eleven.
The other factor not mentioned much is when you have one team full of top class players facing a team of good players whose game and best chance of winning revolves around none stop chasing/closing down then in 40 deg C temperatures there’s only likely to be one winner.
13 Posted 01/06/2009 at 15:34:49
There is cracking article in the Telegraph (the link on this site) which also sums it all up beautifully ? and as for our supporters ? Immense!
If there is a positive that we can take from this defeat, it will be that board will not be able to hide behind a cup win, and say that we don?t need big investment to compete against the cartel of the sky 4.
Whilst I don?t want us to become a class-less outfit like Chelski, we seriously need some investment to at least level the playing field ? and hopefully, with the excellent media coverage we have received (and their support in the majority), someone out there must have noticed we are a far better proposition than Portsmouth!
Well done to the lads for giving us a cracking season ? COYB
14 Posted 01/06/2009 at 15:23:50
As for the Chelsea fans...bunch of classless chavvy wankers the lot of them. It was brilliant being in a pub in Fulham and seeing their reaction when Barcelona knocked them out of the Champions League.
15 Posted 01/06/2009 at 15:58:22
The tone was right too.
There’ll be plenty of time for more heated debate when we have all put some distance between us and the heartache of Saturday.
Have a wonderful summer.
16 Posted 01/06/2009 at 13:59:37
17 Posted 01/06/2009 at 16:14:12
Tony Hibbert should have been subbed after his booking or not even chosen after a poor performance v Fulham & why did we drop the MOTM at Fulham in JACK RODWELL?
At the end of the day the best team did win, but WBA beat us in 1968 when we were far the better team on the day! So all this money thing although important we had a very good chance after 25 seconds on Saturday but Hibbert in particular was appalling pace & positional wise & if Saha's header had gone in we would have won! 5 mins later, Lampard was allowed to slip & class told end of!
I am still proud of the achievement of getting to the final, but like all blues disappointed in the outcome as Howard never had to make one hard save!
18 Posted 01/06/2009 at 16:37:18
Congratulations on a balanced and measured critique. I agree with almost all you say and concede, for whatever reason, our right flank was badly exposed, and ably exploited by a capable foe.
I’d hurry to read you more often if this example became more typical of your prose.
Enjoy your summer lad and here’s to next season. COYBB!
19 Posted 01/06/2009 at 17:04:29
20 Posted 01/06/2009 at 17:42:14
Hibbert and Osman deserved to start and quite honestly it would of been wrong to play any two others, do you think anyone else in our squad would have coped better?
However against City, Villa and now Chelsea it seems teams have set out to target our right hand side and succeeded.
We need to buy down this side of the pitch and leave these two as squad players, although given a break I still believe Osman could turn out a much better player as he is not a wide player, his best games in a blue shirt have always been in the middle.
I strongly believe Saturday will prove a big turning point at our club and lets not forget our response when we got to Wembley in 84, only to lose to the shite, the whole club shouted a defiant "We will be back" and I sensed this same feeling on Saturday, roll on next season and lets hope the mistakes of early last season are learnt.
21 Posted 01/06/2009 at 17:55:58
22 Posted 01/06/2009 at 18:12:06
Hibbert I felt a bit sorry for, the booking didn’t help him though and I think he wouldn’t have dropped off so badly without that unnecessary caution after only 10 minutes. Also having Osman disappear all game can’t help when you have Cashley and Malouda bombing at you every five minutes. He is worth keeping around because he can do a job when we need him, and I would rather him, who would throw everything into it being a local lad than someone like Glen Johnson who couldn’t give two about this great club.
It has been a great season and if we get the right hand side sorted next season we are in business. We have a good groundwork of a top side in most of our current squad - it just needs one side fixing to really assault the Top Four. Someone like Marko Arnautovic of FC Twente would fit the bill who is pacier stronger and just overall better than Osman.
We also need some firepower upfront. It’s all very well having the Yak coming back but after him, Jo is going back to City, and Saha and Vaughan are both crocks. Anichebe isn’t good enough and needs farming out to the Championship to get regular football experience. So we need a decent strike partner for the Yak, too. Kuranyi has been mentioned and I think he would be a belting signing. Only problem being that we can’t offer anything he can get at Schalke. Fabian Delph is an interesting alternative but at £7m I’m unsure if we should take a punt at that price for a League 1 player.
However, in Moyes I trust to make the signings that can add to the team while not disrupting what is an excellent team spirit, which echoes that of the 1984-85 "Band of Brothers" spirit.
23 Posted 01/06/2009 at 18:40:54
Tony - good article. I felt that Lyndon’s "glass ceiling" post was a considered, intelligent appraisal and expected your article to be a dripping in vitriol attack on the "usual suspects". My sincere apologies for underestimating you.
IMO Everton have improved because the standard of certain players such as Arteta, Jags, Baines, Peanuts et al has improved compared to the bad old days of such luminaries as Ginola etc
Osman and Hibbert are, at best, players who could play for clubs in the lower echelons of the Prem or in the upper half of the Championship. Everton and its fans’ aspirations have moved on and left them behind.
I too felt really sorry for both players on Saturday. If they had been in a boxing match you would have saved them further punishment and thrown in the towel.Whether it would have affected the outcome if Jacobsen and Rodwell were playing is I think highly debatable. Rodwell’s undoubted talent needs to be carefully nurtured. However, Moyes clearly saw what everyone in the stadium and at home witnessed. Solving the right hand side problem in the side needs to high on his list of priorities during the summer.
24 Posted 01/06/2009 at 19:24:47
They have always been ordinary at best, if we are to improve they have to go its a no brainer.
25 Posted 01/06/2009 at 19:39:59
This guy is quality in every way and and is a credit to his family and himself.
If anyone was going to score the winner against us Im glad it was him.
26 Posted 01/06/2009 at 19:49:34
How is our Bill going to fund our need for at least seven new players, I ask?
God only knows
27 Posted 01/06/2009 at 19:29:23
Ok Hibbert clearly wasnt fit and clearly had a weston, but the game was all square and still up for grabs when he came off, so how can just he be held accountable ?.
It was’nt until they got their noses in front that chelsea looked a class apart
Howard hadnt had to make a save and lampards shot was hardly a blockbuster. You cant win anything when a goalkeeper lets in shots your missus would save.
Only Pienaar came close to his normal form and we still could have won it if Saha kept a free header down, or if Cahill actually turned up, or Lescot and Yobo were’nt in a coma when Lampard slipped.
Still fuck all the facts lets all blame the player who was sitting in the stand when we actually lost it
28 Posted 01/06/2009 at 19:55:43
1. Anichebe is sold for £4 million. I would bring in Javier Saviola as his replacement, his contract runs out next season so he won’t cost more than £3-4 million.
2. Shift Neville to right back permanently.
3. Sign Pennant for free (To be honest I don’t really want him, but beggars can’t be choosers)
4. We have no money to spend at all, so lets hope Moyes can work his magic and get us 1 or 2 good loans. Sorry lads, but this is the best we can hope for.
29 Posted 01/06/2009 at 20:50:04
30 Posted 01/06/2009 at 21:14:17
Don’t blame it on Osman
Don’y blame it on Moysie
Blame it on Earl Barrett
31 Posted 01/06/2009 at 21:44:22
Its impossible to win trophies without cash so we really shouldn’t beat ourselves up over it. Overall I had a memorable weekend. Throughly enjoyed the day and the night was even better. Partying with so many blues outside the Nag’s Head in Covent Garden was priceless. Even two Chelsea fans came over and asked if they could join our party. They’d been with a bunch of Chelsea fans but their ’celebrations’ were crap in comparison to ours!! They said that being in the Chelsea end was like a morgue and they were so envious of the Evertonians singing and dancing throughout the game.
My lad hit the nail on the head: ’its not just about winning, its enjoying the many memorable moments along the journey’. And we have had a few of those:
- Ossie’s goal at Macclesfield,
- Lescott’s header in front of the Kop,
- Super Dan,
- Rodwell’s and Arteta’s stellar performances against Villa,
- Jags against Utd, and
- Saha lighting the blue touch paper for the fans to take Wembley’s roof off!
Stick together and we shall not be moved!!!
32 Posted 01/06/2009 at 22:07:34
33 Posted 01/06/2009 at 23:05:35
With Jags returning next season i have another poser though.
Centre back pairing.
I believe it should be Jags/ Yobo
Mainly because of some of Lescott’s main flaws
1: His back-off stance. He’s way to easy to push back instead of making a move on the attacker. Lampard should have been closed down by Lescott who was marking no-one. Instead he put his ass out to block leaving an out of position Baines to try to stop him. Too often when he should make a move, he backs off. Often resulting in long-range goal against us.
2: His technical ability needs major improvement. He’s too slow on the ball and his touch is weak. Whenever Lescott encounters a technical problem i get worried as he’ll get robbed. Look at the penalty he gave away against Villa(?) also against Chelsea his touch almost got us into bad trouble more than once.
3: Lack of concentration. A trait that can be used against Yobo as well, but i think Lescott other flaws only goes to make Yobo the superior player of the two.
Sell Ossie and Hibbo? Why, we’d get pennies.
I’d rather sell Lescott for a king’s ransom to City and get a decent backup centre-half + improvement on our flanks for the money we get.
34 Posted 01/06/2009 at 23:21:22
Kyle Naughton from Sheff Utd at right back and Obinna at right wing.... cost combined £10 - £12 million I would’ve thought... much more balance in the team, therefore much better. That would make my summer if we signed them two! Prioritise then with centre midfield, then possibly striker, goalkeeper and/or centre back for cover.... COYB!
35 Posted 02/06/2009 at 02:15:35
36 Posted 02/06/2009 at 04:10:50
Not everyone will agree with you, but you put your arguement forward in a concise manner with no invective and bitterness.
I think if you stated your points in this way more often you’d find you have a far more receptive audience.
Keep it up.
Bring on next season!
37 Posted 02/06/2009 at 08:06:10
Osman benefits from having better players around him. He is infinitely better when Arteta is in the side.Have you forgotten Osman’s vital goals for the club. Without his contribution at Fulham Everton would have dropped to sixth.
Hopefully Moyes will snap up Jacobson for free as he looks pretty OK to me. Castillo...nah !
I thought Howards’ attempt at Lampards goal was a bit lame. A keeper with strong hands would have pushed that around the post. Still...I can’t see Everton getting a better keeper at the moment although they are linked with Smithies from Huddesfield. England Under 21 keeper and one for the future.
38 Posted 02/06/2009 at 08:35:43
Good balanced article and I could understand if you went totally over the top on Hibbert & Osman’s performances as I thought they were both crap. In fact I will go as far as saying that Hibbert’s was as poor a performance as I can recall ever seeing from any Everton player.
Who would you buy to replace Hibbert & Osman? Maybe we will need to think a bit more about this one.
Buy Pennant - are you mad? We are not that desperate.
I agree re Lescott’s faults - we also concede far too many goals from headers when Lescott is supposed to be the defender. But would I sell him? Not so sure about that to be honest as despite his flaws he was ranked the second best defender in the Premier League this season (behind Vidic).
Chelsea fans ? after the game they didn?t even talk about the match on the train let alone sing a song. In fact I don?t even think that most of them knew the words to the simplest Chelsea song and we were only once subjected to their usual strange song of ?one man went to mow?!
Everton fans ? top class, totally unbeatable.
39 Posted 02/06/2009 at 10:00:55
But they were hardly the only poor performances...Cahill was out of position and pretty useless, Neville was way out of his depth and Fellaini was average. I don’t think the line up was suitable either.
We simply didn’t play well...and exposed our limtiations.
40 Posted 02/06/2009 at 10:33:28
Good post,Tony! Even I agree with you!
41 Posted 02/06/2009 at 10:25:11
42 Posted 02/06/2009 at 10:46:31
It wasn’t just though though, Hibbert is a far better defender than he showed on Saturday, he just had a very good individual day himself.
There’s certainly a lack of balance on our right handside and hopefully Moyes will improve on both players next season. I expect Phil Neville to play right back next season and I reckon Moyes will buy a wide player to replace Leon outwide.
If we want to move forward both have to be squad players.
43 Posted 02/06/2009 at 10:46:25
So many thoughts...too late now of course what a season lads so proud!
44 Posted 02/06/2009 at 10:48:59
Each and every club has it’s own DNA with good and bad in it. It’s culture is developed and formed by it’s history, demographic and location amongst other things.
We have ours - and it’s far from being all good - Chelsea have theirs, as do Liverpool, Spurs, Millwall, Celtic, Birmingham City, Peterborough United, Wrexham, Walsall, Crewe etc etc.
Individually each football fan must be taken on their own merits but as a collective all clubs have their own particular stereotype - and Tony has got Chelsea’s spot on.
45 Posted 02/06/2009 at 10:58:36
For me though, both of them put in their worst performances of the season. I wouldn’t even give them a 4 out of 10. But for people to start saying we need rid of them/Cahmpionship players at best is a little OTT - they have both been regulars this season and we’ve finished 5th, so they’re at THAT level. But I agree, to move to the NEXT level (4th or higher and trophies), both need to be ’upgraded’.
One issue I will take up with you Tony - you say "How come David Moyes is the only one out there who hasn’t sussed this out yet? " re our right hand side. I think he has, but what other options does he have? Jacobsen has looked poor at times (especially at Sunderland), and you could only play Gosling or Rodwell for Osman - Gosling is too light weight at the moment, and Rodwell would imbalance the side, and cause us to sit even more.
Picking up on other threads, consider what the outcome MIGHT have been if it was a full strength Everton v Chelsea minus Drogba, Lampard and Terry. Not even considering the money gap, and then see why there is cause for optimism moving on.
Your comment re our fans was spot on too - I was moved to tears on several occasions at the weekend. Onward and upward!
46 Posted 02/06/2009 at 11:30:50
Strange defence. Where would we have finished if we’d had quality players instead of them as regulars?
47 Posted 02/06/2009 at 12:18:51
Keep both, but accept that they shouldn’t be considered first team regulars anymore.
48 Posted 02/06/2009 at 12:42:30
First and foremost, Ossie and Hibbo are Blue’s, like us lot. They are living the dream and playing for thier boyhood club.
I love the pair of them but that alone is not enough for me to be happy and content in knowing the occupy our right side.
Tony Hibbert got lost at Wembley and at times was centre mid, up front, left wing and all the time Malouda had a field day, cross after cross. Add to this, Hibbert has the worst distribution of any defender we have. He will tackle a bus but is fucked once he has won the ball.
Ossie is good with the ball and will do a job against the lesser team’s and for this I would always have him in the squad but he is not good enough against the big boys.
He gets chance after chance and his goals ratio compared the the chances he gets, is poor. He is slow and light weight and in the end, this will tell in the premier league and has started too.
Against Chelsea, Hibbert went missing and Osman didnt have the strength and pace to cover for him.
Switch your eyes to the other side of our midfield and that is is what you must have and must be to remain a force in the league.
Pienaar and Baines are the perfect combination, Ossie and Hibbo are not, sadly.
49 Posted 02/06/2009 at 13:11:35
50 Posted 02/06/2009 at 13:27:12
It has nothing to do with being local or not. If anything, the fact they are local and blue means they would get "let off" for poor performances.
It simply boils down to not being good enough.
Howard has his off games now and again but remains one of the BEST in the prem.
Neville is a great leader and brings alot to the team.
Lescott, I am not even going to defend him because I dont need to.
Osman is a great squad player at best and Hibbert is a back up right back at best. Hibbert is aweful as much as I love the lad, he just isn’t very good at footy.
51 Posted 02/06/2009 at 13:32:41
If he was in his position, instead of filling in for Arteta in centre Mid, If he was in Fellaini’s position then he would have been alot more of a threat but he still was effective and ALWAYS is.
Hibbert is just Shite, class lad but shite. Malouda and Chelsea proved it.
52 Posted 02/06/2009 at 13:50:19
And we can talk about who should have started and who shouldn’t have, but they had a goal disallowed and really should’ve scored another, so you’d have to say, (painfully so), but the right team won that game.
Unfortunatley, We have the heart but not the talent against the Sky 4, so here’s hoping Blue Bill can find some investments this summer or we’ll have to wait for another magic trick from Moyes.
53 Posted 02/06/2009 at 14:27:30
I had my doubts before the game and sadly the statistics came true and bit us on the ass, but it’s just those little things that grab your attention.
54 Posted 02/06/2009 at 14:18:27
Lescot and Howard contrived to hand Chelsea the winnner but you think its down to Hibbert who was sitting in the stands.
Nothing to do with being a local boy ? my arse
55 Posted 02/06/2009 at 14:33:18
HIbbert has unbelievably been a boo boy for so many this season.
I am not going to say he didn?t have a terrible game on Saturday, he did but the yellow card, wrongly awarded nullified his strong tackling game.
Yes he should have done better stopping the cross but why was Drogba allowed to get his header is? Where was the marking in the middle?
I am definitely with everyone else on Hibbert?s positioning for the second goal, he was fooking miles away from the play, should be fined for being that far away.
It?s obviously Hibbert?s fault we lost, it is all so clear now.
56 Posted 02/06/2009 at 15:02:26
Osman gets played out wide because he is not strong enough to play centre mid, or fastest enough.
Save all the local boy bollocks though, it's a crock of shit!!!! Neither are good enough to take us on to the next level. Good squad players but not good enough to start,
Hibbert gets shit because he is shit!
Every player has an off game, HIBBERT HAS ONE EVERY FUCKING WEEK! GO THE GAME AND OPEN YOUR EYES!!!!! Osman is not as bad but not consistent enough!!!
And yeah, Cahill is the golden balls because he plays anywhere and does a job, I would love him to be just behind the front 2 every week and so would he but he has more to his game and can tackle as well, unlike Osman!!
Hibbert's positioning is laughable.
Why would anyone get on a local boy's back for no reason, it would more likely happen to a lazy foreigner.
What a fucking moronic comment to make.
57 Posted 02/06/2009 at 15:16:56
I love it when the brave little soldiers like you come on with the abuse
If you knew ANYTHING about the history of this club you?d realise there has always been a culture of attacking our local boys, even greats like Joe Royle, Peter Reid and Colin Harvey have taken this abuse, Victor Anichebe is barely out of his teens but is still treated like shit, Hibbert was part of thje defence that went through the purple patch this year, but we still get gobshite comments about him.
Only a complete fucken Moron wouldn't know that.
Know what I mean?
58 Posted 02/06/2009 at 15:30:39
I think it's you who needs to GO THE GAME AND OPEN YOUR EYES! Because every other Evertonian knows this.
59 Posted 02/06/2009 at 15:43:07
I couldnt give a flying fuck about when Peter Reid and Harvey and Royle blah blah blah were playing and getting shit. I was barely out of nappies, I wasn?t giving them shit so I could?nt give a shite!
Anichebe gets shit because he can't connect with a ball when he shoots and scores 3 goals a year as a forward, that makes him shit! If he plays well, I?ll say so, likewise Hibbert but they aren?t so I?ll say something.
I pay my season ticket money so I?ll say what the fuck I want.
I am not some golden oldy refering to yesteryear about players that have long gone, I am referring to the here and now and the players that I pay to watch.
If ya wanna relive ya youth lad, stick a DVD on, don't bore me about players that have no relevance to the debate. It's Hibbert and Osman being discussed, not the others, no why bring them up and start bitching about past cultures. There was a racist culture as well wasn?t there??? Does that mean mean if Yobo or any of the African players have an off day and I say so, does that make me a racist? IDIOT!
And regards Cahill, he is fucking light years ahead of Osman and a millions times more important to us than Hibbert and Osman, from a football point of view.
I couldn't care if a player was from Timbuktu or Toxteth, if he is shit I?ll say so.
If I ever want a history lesson lad I?ll speak to me da, not some auld fella who thinks the whole world is against scouse players.
Rooney was local, he was worshipped while here so think before you speak.
60 Posted 02/06/2009 at 16:17:39
61 Posted 02/06/2009 at 16:00:30
I didnt come on here to give you a history lesson, I just stated a fact; you "bravely" called it moronic so I proved it.
I can see why you didn't get that history lesson from you arl fella.
Ignorant little fool.
62 Posted 02/06/2009 at 16:24:06
Rooney was local? How many times did he take the abuse? None because he was class.
Hibbert isn?t.... niether is Osman... and to be fair, Hibbert hasn?t got the ability to silence the critics and that?s what it all boils down too.
If you're good enough, you?ll be worshipped. If you aint you?ll be slated and rightly so.
Like Tony says, we will not move up with them playing and will always be exposed by the big teams. I don't wanna just finish 5th every year if It is possible for us not too and by ditching these too, it would be.
I would love them to be great but they are not, they let us down TOO OFTEN and it has nothing to do with them being local.
Silly Old Bastard.
63 Posted 02/06/2009 at 16:36:12
Stating that Hibbert has ’a bad game every week’ and that Osman ’is not as bad’...simply shows you haven’t watched HIbbert or Osman too much this season.
Hibbert has been immensely improved before his latest injury.
64 Posted 02/06/2009 at 16:33:57
So shouldn't the fact that your hero hasn't had a decent game since he missed the penalty that almost cost us a place in the Cup Final and that he had another game being totally eclipsed by better players be mentioned?
Rooney wasnt around long enough to take abuse, making up for it now though aren?t they?
65 Posted 02/06/2009 at 17:17:17
I have heard something this season that I have never heard in all my years in the Lower Gwladys, people singing Tony Hibbert to the tune of No Limits, yet he is "shit" because he had an absolute stinker in the final, whereas everyone else didn’t???
Yes he is a boo boy and has been slated by so many nutters on here because he can’t cross a ball perfectly every games like....erm....you know the player....you know that great right back who does it every game.....ermm...there must be one out there.
However I can’t argue with your "shit" debate, it must be right as you say it several times.
Can’t believe I am doing this but, Spot on Ciaran, never let the truth get in the way of a good slating eh Ben?
66 Posted 02/06/2009 at 17:33:25
ALL of you!
It’s one thing to say...um...no I mean how can you say..if....no sorry, it’s gone.
67 Posted 02/06/2009 at 18:43:35
Neither Osman nor Hibbert are good enough if we are to progress.
68 Posted 02/06/2009 at 18:25:37
But if you think that a full back who dives into tackles (usually because he has given the ball away), is always liable to give away a penalty because of this, can’t pass or cross a ball, has no positional sense (rarely looks behind him), rarely gets beaten because he’s never tight enough on his man in te first place - is good enough for Everton today, then you watch a different game than I.
I don’t always agree with Tony Marsh but he has got it spot on here. Wembley was not an aberration as far as Hibbert is concerned - he’s a liability at the best of times. Yes, he sometimes plays a blinder when he’s on the back foot the whole match but we’ve got to be better than that.
I feel sorry for the lad who is obviously a likeable fella - but it doesn’t alter the fact that he’s not good enough. Ever since the Villa game when Young gave him the run around, I’d been advocating that Jacobsen start. He’s not perfect either, by the way, but the lesser of two evils. Oh yes, and Hibbert was subbed at Villa at half time by the way.
Ask yourselves, is he any better than 7 years ago when Moyes arrived?
69 Posted 02/06/2009 at 19:59:39
If you dont think Hibbert is good enough, then you need to take that up with Davey Moyes, I didn't pass any sort of comment about his ability, not at any stage. My issue here is why does everyone overlook a completely impotent Cahill, a captain who probably didnt find a blue shirt more than a couple of times all match and a goalkeeper who once again let in an easily stoppable shot, but like yourself, still can't wait to list the shortcomings of Hibbert?
Tony Marsh has been battering away at these two all season, whilst overlooking other players shortcomings, but you could be a couple of digits short and still count on one hand how many times we?ve lost with these two in the side.
He's been predicting disaster all season with these two, but had to wait until we were playing one of the best teams in the world before he got the opportunity to issue his not-so-subtle "I told you so".
No player is above criticism, certainly not Osman or Hibbert, but if we?re going to be critical let's be even handed about it.
70 Posted 02/06/2009 at 21:12:03
And I stand by my assertion that Hibbert does not get nearly as much stick as he could do - at least not from the area of the Park End where I sit. Quiet groans and murmurs maybe, but not full blown bile like Neville used to get!
71 Posted 02/06/2009 at 21:37:22
Whatever position he’s chosen to play he invariably ends up in the middle of the park for 95% of the game. Hence that argument simply doesn’t hold water. The fact is he simply isn’t good enough. I think his performance in the cup was perhaps the final straw even for those who’ve tended to try and defend him. It would seem now we’re about to open a new chapter - he’s only being criticized because he’s a local.
What on earth is it going to take for some to open their eyes and see what is staring them in the face. As for Hibbert, I feel for the lad, his form has dipped but on this occasion he was hung out to dry by Osman failing to do a job in front of him.
72 Posted 02/06/2009 at 21:31:54
Anybody else out there think this is a bit weird from a "Psychobabble" point of view?!
Tony?s articles are normally full of vitriol and he often then gets subjected to personal attacks (sorry Tony I?ve been guilty of that too!)
This article he?s been considered, objective and well-informed. This seems to have created an "anger vacuum" which has been filled by people attacking one another
Are there any budding psychologists out there who can explain this!
73 Posted 03/06/2009 at 08:14:35
Yes he makes some terrific saves but that effort to stop Lampard?s shot was pathetic.... why go with two hands for a spectacular block? Using one hand he could have gained himself at least a couple of inches and tipped it comfortably around the post. Go on ask any former or present keeper if they agree.
74 Posted 03/06/2009 at 08:06:43
Fact is Howard, Yobo and Lescott deserve criticism too. Yobo and Lescott did awful marking against Drogba for the first goal... and Howard should have saved the second!
But what’s with the local rubbish? Yeah obviously I’m gonna agree producing a talent is fantastic for the club... but people defending them constantly just because they are local is a load of rubbish!
75 Posted 03/06/2009 at 08:52:14
Guus did his homework and it is no surprise that Pienaar, Fellaini and Cahill were on the end of disgusting challenges (Fellaini’s being the worst yet no yellow card but Hibbert gets booked for a non foul within the first 10 mins)
Howard will not leave his line and this causes nervousness with the defence and once again he is beaten by a long range shot, I actually believe his problems with long range shots is his tourettes, his tics may not allow him the time other keepers would have to set themselves for these types of shots, just a theory.
Back on target again, Hibbert was poor but the fact that he only played a half and we were not losing when he went off clearly shows that he was not solely to blame for this defeat, which some posters would have you believe.
He got "found out" because he was unfairly booked and therefore scared to tackle and Osman also had a stinker and his usual good covering was non existant, so Chelski had a field day down the left
76 Posted 03/06/2009 at 11:34:27
Perhaps you?d like it if we all adopted a sheep like mentality ? Not me pal I have a mind of my own and dont feel the need to try engraciate myself with the majority
When an article totally overlooks the fact that The Aussie, the Nigerian, The Manc, and the Yank have had really poor games, but lays the blame on the two local boys for our defeat, You may sit there nodding in agreement, calling it well ballanced but I saw a different game and I?ll say so.
77 Posted 02/06/2009 at 16:35:28
Wanted to write in to compliment Mr Marsh on his article, but the contributions on the thread have deteriorated to the extent that I wonder where the "abuse" sets in against rational arguament. Well done, Tony, no knee-jerks and a well balanced contribution.
To date I have always wanted Tony Hibbert and Leon Osman to do well and will continue to do so, but reality is that most seem to think that change is needed to improve our prospects of improvement on the heady heights we have attained this season. There are others though that we need to improve on and they are identified on here elsewhere.
For my part, thanks to all at the club and to the chaps who run the site for a great time, and roll on next season.
78 Posted 03/06/2009 at 21:58:56
We went back to hoofball
Howard was forced to kick as Chelsea marked our defenders.
When our defenders had the ball at their feet our midfielders with the exception of Pienaar all turned their backs and waited for the ball to be booted upfield to an unsupported Fellaini or Saha.
I won’t point fingers at individual players however too many fell short of the standards they have set for themselves - as Tony Marsh said it was painful to witness Tony Hibbert get slaughtered. He did’nt get much help on that side either did he? And we all know why.
But for a short spell in the 2nd half all we offered was hoofball against a big strong class side.
A piece in Monday’s Telegraph alluded to pointing the finger of blame in David Moyes direction. I have consistently argued our Managers case against those who have knocked him including Tony Marsh and especially Michael Kenrick.
But this time our return to hoofball can only be down to the Manager.
We have progressed yet again this past season under David Moyes but only when we have consistently got the ball down on the deck and played football through midfield.
Hoofball is not progress
Hoofball is not Everton it is Wimbledon
Hoofball is not acceptable to me
Hoofball cannot be acceptable to our fans
Hoofball must not be acceptable to David Moyes.
If we are to continue our gradual improvement and take our progress further under David Moyes then Hoofball must never return.
Some great memories this last season but our performance on saturday came 3rd worst in my memory bank - 2nd worst The Shite at home - worst definitely Wigan away.
What could have been eh.
Never mind I will still be there next season as I am sure will Tony Marsh.
Nil Satis etc
79 Posted 04/06/2009 at 00:51:46
The problem I have is that Osman, was no better or worse than several other players on the day. No point in going through the names, albeit I was very disapointed in Cahill and impressed by MF for his skill AND maturity in the first half.
But guys, painful as it is, we all know that on a good day we would match Chelsea with good skill and effort. But this wasn’t a good day as several players failed to raise their game. Thats why we lost. Not JUST because of Hibberts walkabout, or Osmans lack of defensive capabilities.
The point is we have consistently played well with most of the team operating at 95% of their capability and lesser teams than Chelsea could not cope with our odd bad moment or bad day at the office this season.
But lets face it, On a good day Chelsea would have more ammunition than we could ever find.
Chelsea didn’t have a good day, but neither did we. But they had more class than we could compensate for.
I do feel sorry for Hibbert ( another Sandy Brown) because of his heart and love for Everton FC. But, football is cruel and when you fail to deliver you fall by the wayside and someone else takes the opportunity to shine.
My head tells me its been a good season but I still hurt too much to acknowledge it at the moment !
a final comment regarding Cahill, for those in Australia, a comment was made on SBS television that he should leave the club and find somewhere that his talents would be better served. I and many others felt pretty offended by that, BUT Cahill hasn’t been as effective with MF operating where he did for most of the season. How to get the bost out of both players next season will be a real problem for Moyes.
Till Next season, thank you blues for giving us hope again :-)
80 Posted 04/06/2009 at 10:31:28
People will forever carry and image of Ashley Cole powering into our box unchallenged by Hibbert, but Hibbert had already been booked and any sort of impact would have resulted in us being reduced to ten men,
Having been to Wembley myself I was surprised at Marshy?s claim about our right side being exposed " time and time again" and I was annoyed that so people jumped on the band waggon to slaughter them, so I took the trouble to watch a recording of the first half.
Chelsea got behind our right side 4 times, two of these were a result of deflections, which caught our ENTIRE defence moving forward, but just happened to bounce behind Hibbert, no full back can legislate for that.
Tony Hibbert laboured, no doubt about that and Moyes was right to bring him off, but cant we just say that instead of identifying him as the "culprit"?
As for targeting our right hand side -Jim Beglins thoughts - could it not just be that Chelsea wanted to attack through what they believe to be the best left back in the world and would have done so whoever the oppostion?
Some sensible considered comments as usual, but Ossie tracked back for their first goal, granted he didn't do enough to prevent the cross coming in, but Hibbert took up the position any full back in the world would have taken, how does the goal get to be his fault?
"We win together, we lose together," Tim Cahill said in his after match interview, isn't it time people starting taking the second part of that sentiment on board.
Good news for you and the mustn?t grumble brigade, I?m off on me jollies tomorrow.