Now think about this. LFC will have a hotel?. good for them but all the people who stay at their hotel will be spending their money in the Everton casino?. It doesn?t have to be branded Everton but is Tesco?s an Everton brand? As part of the deal Everton could build the casino for Earl and Everton would receive a percentage of the profits for building the casino. Therefore Earl see?s a return on his investment. Everton creates a new income stream and we all get to stay in the City.
Now you are going to say why LCC would agree to that?.well they have gone public to say they will do anything to keep Everton in the city. They have also said that they would work with the club to expand the footprint. (before you all shout about them being liars they (LCC) have gone public with this Everton haven?t said they would engage (publicly) so we have to say the will is there on the city councils part). Also if they are granting LFC permission to build a hotel then to attract more people to stay in their hotel they need entertainment?..and let?s face it they?re not going to get it watching boring Liverpool play are they.
The casino could be linked to the corporate sections of the ground offering the all round entertainment package. The lower or ground floor of the casino would be the concourse into the stadium and the 3 other huge floor could house the casino floors and restaurants. Imagine the walk into the ground!!!
So, in a nutshell, you have the redevelopment enabler, a proven money-making scheme, a scheme which could even make money out of the kopites (and how we would love that), a scheme which would provide another income stream for the club outside of football. A scheme which would attract corporates to it?..even if they used the LFC hotel they would still spend all their money in the casino?.it would probable attract their corporates after the game?.It would attract investment as businesses go where the money is.
Now I?m un-educated in the Gambling rules but there are casinos in the city centre and if EFC used their nouse for once they could call it an extension to the LFC site.
As I see it and I might not have explained it well up here but I?ll put it in the domain to see what you guys think. Don?t worry I'm not waiting for the Yes?s to suggest this is the last lame attempt to stop DK. I?m waiting for the ?it?s never going to happen? and all the stick that goes with it. But all the Yes voters out there have suggested that without an enabler we can?t afford to redevelop Goodison. Well, Yes voters?.an enabler don?t have to be retail. I?ve given you the enabler. The person who can make this happen even sits on the board of EFC.
I guess this makes this Plan G by now doesn?t it?
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1 Posted 16/07/2008 at 23:38:31
Personally, I think you?ve presented an interesting idea, but I know over here, there is no way it wouldhappen. There is a reason that VEGAS doesn?t have any major professional sports teams (even their biggest college team got sanctioned for point shaving). Vegas has been trying to get an NFL or NBA team for a LONG time, but neither organization is willing to even entertain the idea.
2 Posted 16/07/2008 at 23:37:08
3 Posted 17/07/2008 at 01:24:33
I am not sure whether it would get permission or even stand up economically but it’s the kind of thinking that a progressive board should have instead of "there’s no plan B ...... oh well there might be. but I dont know what’s going on I’m only the Chairman for God’s sake".
4 Posted 17/07/2008 at 06:16:06
5 Posted 17/07/2008 at 06:41:20
’ Don’t ask me, I’m only the chairman’, (deliberate small c as only proper nouns have capital letters and we require a proper Chairman.) sums it up.
When it comes to vision BK would be out of his depth on a damp pavement.
6 Posted 17/07/2008 at 07:36:45
I don’t think there will be a big problem with the connection of sports and gambling. There might be more of an issue that the LCC will not allow a casino in this particular district, but I admit immediately that I don’t know enough of Walton and local government in England to say anything about this. Back to MVV: they wanted a small casino in their current stadium. Only reason they did not get it was because the current stadium is in a poor district of the city and the local government was reluctant to see the unemployed splash their allowance in the casino.
7 Posted 17/07/2008 at 09:33:26
8 Posted 17/07/2008 at 09:36:58
You seem to be forgetting that the Stadium is the enabler for Kirkby. Not the retail element. Without the stadium the retail park which is being proposed would not be allowed to be built.
Secondly The enabler does not have to be retail so Liverpool one wouldn’t object to this.
I don’t know what the LCC would say but have they ever been asked?
9 Posted 17/07/2008 at 09:34:41
Good shout. At last. Not just the normal "instead of spending £78m on Kirkby spend £78m on GP". An Enabler - that is exactly what is needed wherever we build. Not sure that it would ever get accepted/approved but the idea is definately right.
10 Posted 17/07/2008 at 09:40:43
Earl Owns 24% of the company indirectly. From what I can geather BCR sports is owned by Rober Earl so in effect he has a lot to do with Everton.
With regards to the casino licences I have no idea how this works and if what you say is true blows this out of the water doesn?t it really.
11 Posted 17/07/2008 at 09:56:25
If a small casino makes enough profit to give EFC £3 million a year this would pay for itself. I would gues withn a few years and all profit from then is another guarenteed income stream.
12 Posted 17/07/2008 at 10:01:27
The mysterious BCR Sports; if you can post a link showing any information as to the shareholding of this company I?d appreciate it.
13 Posted 17/07/2008 at 09:38:17
14 Posted 17/07/2008 at 09:34:50
Not being funny, not taking the piss - a fucking great bit of thinking.
(thinking outside the envelope..er..inside the box or whatever the yanks call it)
Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure (as with every great idea) there will be a lot of people who can find a million reasons for why it WON’T work, but this is just part of a wider ’problem’ regarding humans.
Lack of imagination.
It’s a funny thing with us humans, we’re quite happy to boast that we lack SOME ’skills’’.
"Me rewire my house!? I’m HOPELESS with that kind of thing. I can’t even change a PLUG! Haw haw haw.." etc.
But accuse someone of a lack of imagination or a lack of creativity and they will not be pleased.
Well the truth is, most of them/us are wrong, because most of them/us DON’T have much imagination
Well look, almost every adult (whether they DIY or pay someone) decides how the interior of their home looks.
They choose paint colours, wallpaper, furniture etc.
Now, how often have you heard anyone say "Just decorated my front room, you should see it, fuckin’ hopeless, makes me spew every time I walk in, looks like a blind, crack-addicted Australian went nuts with a spray gun..." etc.
You’re much more likely to hear "Yeah we’re really pleased with the way it turned out".
Now of course it’s subjective area, but my guess is that the world’s top interior designers would tell you most peoples living rooms look likes shite.
And the point of this ’wisdom’?
It is my opinion that the reason for 99% of the shite we have to endure supporting Everton FC, is as a direct result of our club being ’run’ by people who are ’really pleased with the way it turned out’.
BK out, JH in!
15 Posted 17/07/2008 at 12:32:27
The one flaw I do see however is Liverpool and their fans using our casino. I know you say it doesn’t have to be branded as Everton, but they’ll know its ours and I’m sure they’d rather take a short trip into town and use one of the many casinos there. In fact I’m sure the RS hotel would actively advertise town centre hotels to discourage their guests from using our casino.
But I do think a combination of your idea and Tom Hughes’s (the Hughes boys are coming up trumps today!) hotel in the Park End would compliment each other. If only our board would take on such suggestions from fans such as yourselves. What’s more likely is they’ll wheel out highly paid experts to shoot down your ideas and then take you to court!
16 Posted 17/07/2008 at 13:46:54
That’s what I meant with small casino. Such an amusement hall or whatever it is called can easily be incorporated in a redeveloped Goodison. I guess a wider footprint is needed for a Vegas-style casino.
The small casino’s I talk about are cash machines in the Netherlands. They make huge profits. It attracts a fair share of dubious persons though.
17 Posted 17/07/2008 at 13:54:54
I’m with Peter, between yourself and Tom you’ve come up with some very positive alternatives, I too Would love to see someone with the desire to make it work land Bully’s job
18 Posted 17/07/2008 at 14:30:41
19 Posted 17/07/2008 at 15:51:59
20 Posted 17/07/2008 at 17:04:54
21 Posted 17/07/2008 at 18:48:26
22 Posted 17/07/2008 at 19:33:06
23 Posted 17/07/2008 at 19:47:53
"I?ll have 10 grand on red and another rum and coke when your ready chief"
24 Posted 17/07/2008 at 20:05:07
25 Posted 17/07/2008 at 21:09:14
26 Posted 18/07/2008 at 11:46:53
Also for everyone who has replied to the post I have mentioned this in terms of redeveloping Goodison. Will this idea work for the other ?alternative sites? It doesn?t have to be Goodison. A casino closer to the city centre with a hotel attached with both being part of Everton?s stadium would make this a fantastic opportunity.
Colin F ? Can?t validate that info re BCR Sports officially mate but if you can believe everything you read in the papers check this out.
Also check this from Toffeeweb in 2006
Erik D ? The ?vision? (haha!!) I have had would be a casino along the lines of those seen in the city centre and others across the country. It doesn?t have to be a Vegas like structure but it?d have to be more than a Slot machine arcade although I don?t discount the vast amount of profit they make.
As mentioned above Robert Earl already owns two casino?s in Las Vegas so he will/should know the UK rules regarding gambling and Licenses etc. I think he would make it work. Having a planet Hollywood in the Casino and having his film star mates come to visit would be a major attraction. All this with Everton?s fantastic redeveloped?/new? Stadium as the backdrop.
Can someone explain why (as someone mentioned) Coventry already have a casino in their stadium and that this is illegal? The Coventry casino would suggest this can be done?
I would hope common sense would prevail here with regards to spending money in casinos. I wouldn?t let my children spend their money in a casino, however when they are earning their own money and living their own lives how can I stop them? It?s their choice. I would hope that I gave enough good advice during bringing them up to allow them to make the right decisions. Also with this comment should we remove bookies from all football grounds?
The casino is an ?Enablement Idea? It does not mean you have to go into it yourself, It?s aimed at the corporate market we are so sadly missing, which is also the reason we lack in the financial stakes (so we are led to believe).
What Kirkby doesn?t give Everton is an income stream outside of football. Kirkby does facilitate building the equivalent of one new stand but then that?s were it stops. No more income from it apart from the pittance we will make from increased (if it does increase) attendance. Don?t think a 50,000 capacity stadium makes sufficient revenue just because it?s 50,000 seats are available, those seats have to be filled at least 19 times a season for Everton to make money. Can you see that happening?
Also you have to remember that the stadium is the enabler for the retail. Not the other way around.
27 Posted 18/07/2008 at 12:32:01
And before John recieves his award, let’s take another look at his work.
"Why don?t we people traffic some chinese cockle pickers, it would be a great revenue stream. We could sell the cockles on the open market and pump the profits into the club or sell the poor buggers to the highest bidding slave driver"
28 Posted 18/07/2008 at 13:20:31
29 Posted 18/07/2008 at 13:53:20
You mean he’s being ’Ironic’ because...there’s absolutely no irony...and it is THAT very lack of Irony, that IS the irony.
(If that is the case, we’re are talking about a true genius)
30 Posted 18/07/2008 at 20:59:01
John Hughes had an idea, even John ’chinese cockle pickers’ Gee had an idea.
Bill has no idea, or ideas, piss poor or otherwise.
31 Posted 22/07/2008 at 16:01:08