- He bought James McFadden because he was the Scottish Rooney, a world class star of the future.
- He bought James Beattie because he was going to build a world class team around his supposedly incomparable goal]scoring skills.
- He bought Andy Johnson, originally, to partner Beattie.
Now, I accept that players are primarily responsible for their own performances, but in these cases I think Moyes is partially responsible for their fate. Johnson has too often been alone up front or shoved too far out to the right. McFadden never managed the form for Everton that he showed for Scotland, primarily because he was rarely used in a striking role. Beattie, who never had adequate service, has recovered tremendous form, albeit in the greener pastures of the Championship.
I suspect we will see a goal-scoring resurgence by Johnson with Fulham. It?s telling that DM has had personal issues with each of these men, as he did, years back, with Rooney and Radzinski. He does not seem as comfortable working with strikers, who tend to have bigger egos, more idiosyncrasies and are more high maintenance than defenders, who Moyes instinctively relates to. He has already had problems with Yakubu and you have to wonder how long it will be before there are more.
Until a solid strike partnership is allowed to flourish we will not accomplish our Champions League aspirations. It?s an issue DM just has not dealt with and he must address it.
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1 Posted 29/07/2008 at 19:31:51
AJ started well but never truly delivered the way Yak did last season.
Moyes has basically upgraded the quality of the team on a continuous basis. Now we’re going to cash in AJ for Moutinho (fingers crossed). Moyes has done pretty well given the constraints the Board puts him under.
And he handled the Yak pretty well last season when he came back late.
2 Posted 29/07/2008 at 19:34:59
3 Posted 29/07/2008 at 19:33:02
To me, Johnson?s dip in goal-scoring form was mainly due to two things -- his injury problems (which cost him a step or two in pace as well as some confidence, IMO) and injuries in midfield that limited (especially with Carsley in the holding role in a 4-4-2) our creative abilities. We didn?t have anyone really capable of playing that through ball up the middle for him to run onto. And our lack of playmaking ability in midfield often resulted in the defenders hoofing it upfield or toward the corner flag, and everyone knows Johnson isn?t a target man.
Yakubu?s style of play almost necessitates a second striker play a little wider so as not to get in his way. By default, that?s what was asked of AJ.
4 Posted 29/07/2008 at 19:50:43
£10m+ - great bit of business.
5 Posted 29/07/2008 at 20:08:08
6 Posted 29/07/2008 at 20:14:11
Without the protection of referees AJ is a spent force.
In Moyse we trust.
7 Posted 29/07/2008 at 20:27:03
The problem may be that with this style of play - which tends to be keep it tight and don?t expose yourself too much, the flair type of player such as McFadden are not encouraged to express themselves too much.
In a system that demands that the team is greater than the parts in Moyes?s eye, there is no place for the virtuoso performer (unless he also works hard) or the player who contributes little despite his best efforts - i.e. Johnson - who by virtue of his poor touch, control and finishing, had become, let?s be honest, a bit of a waste of space.
8 Posted 29/07/2008 at 20:29:30
My worries lie elsewhere in the team, we have FIVE regular first teamers whose distribution is about as bad as I?ve ever witnessed. Their limitations will be exposed far more regularly now that they haven't got a mug working tirelessly to turn their sow's ear passing ability, into an almost silk-ish purse
Oh and please, stop this "good business" shite. It?ll only be good business if the money is used to bring in a better player.
I still don't see him.
9 Posted 29/07/2008 at 20:43:40
Johnson was a good professional but couldn’t cut it at the top end of the Premiership. His pace might have terrified defenders in the Championship but Premiership defenders started working out that if the ball’s into his feet then, unless it gets played in behind you with plenty of space, you just need to step in and he’d either go down or be pick pocketed. (The former was something the referees had little sympathy with)
Finally, he suited a counter attacking outfit, not a team who are comfortable with sides defending deep as they have players like Arteta, Pienaar, Osman and Cahill who start threading the short passes about in the final third.
In conclusion, we’ve lost a great impact player from the bench who can hurt teams trying to chase an equaliser (like the game at Upton Park last season for example). But for £12 million, we just had to let him go.
10 Posted 29/07/2008 at 21:20:20
Try this. You don’t buy players to sell them on at a profit. You buy them to play for you and do the job they where intended for.
Eamonn you state that Moyes has to shop in the. ’Bargain basement’.
Johnson was not a bargain basement player, neither was Beattie.
We payed top money for those two and in my opinion both where used wrongly due to Moyes and his at times awfull tactics.
He may well have got the odd bargain here and there. But his big signings have all failed.
whether you like it or not strikers are a different breed and need to be scoring goals, if they feel they are not playing to there strenghths and are not scoring they sulk. FACT ! Moyes has a poor track record with strikers and time will only tell if the Yak has the same problem.
I will repeat. As a manager you should not see a player as a monatory assett, you see him as part of a team you are trying to build.
11 Posted 29/07/2008 at 21:50:30
Now looking at Moutinho as a possible target, and knowing Moyes wants other players also, does it make goo managerial sense to let 12 million sit on the bench when you need it to strengthen the first team? AJ had become a luxury, whereas strengthening the first eleven is a necessity. With that in mind, I have to disagree that AJ leaving is a poor managerial decision. To me, it makes perfect sense. But more importantly, I find hard to believe that our Manager is being criticised, when he hasnt even shown his hand yet. There is still a month of transfer activity, let him make his acquistions before passing judgement. The only real FACT I see, is that this squad is improving year on year. Until that stops, I dont see a real need for complaining.
12 Posted 29/07/2008 at 22:03:19
I had high hopes for McFadden and Beattie, but in the end, they were not really Premiership players.
It’s all very well to criticize Moyes’ tactics, but we don’t always know what constraints he faces (players’ injuries, limitations etc).
13 Posted 29/07/2008 at 22:27:03
14 Posted 29/07/2008 at 22:35:30
15 Posted 29/07/2008 at 23:15:31
AJ was an braindead pace merchant with no intelligence, Beattie was a finisher with nothing else to his game. You need more than that to succeed in the Prem.
Yakubu will not fail here, I guarantee it. He’ll score 15-25 goals given a full season every year. He has genuine quality, inteligence and he can finish.
Beattie and AJ where one dimensional, that’s why they failed.
16 Posted 29/07/2008 at 23:14:42
He was a model pro hardworking and fitted right into the team ethic.
I heard the problem was with Wyness who said that the transfer kitty was only 15 million plus what he could get for AJ and that angered Moyes and upset AJ who then angered Moyes further by refusing to play at Preston.
How true any of that is we’ll never know because EFC will never put the truth out
17 Posted 30/07/2008 at 02:16:21
More a case of too little too late.
18 Posted 30/07/2008 at 03:54:12
What a load of bollocks!!!!!! Yes, of course the primary aim of your players should be to play for your team, but don?t tell me that you would like to purchase top strikers that can?t be sold off eventually? Or sold at a lost? That is the biggest horse shite someones tried to spew on this site.
I would say that the sale of AJ is one of the best bits of business done by EFC in recent times.
19 Posted 30/07/2008 at 05:19:13
Bent - bought for 450K, sold for 2.5M
McFadden - bought for 1M, sold for 5.5M
Beattie - bought for 6M, sold for 4M
AJ - Bought for 8.5M, sold for 12M
Yakubu ? bought for 11M, worth a lot more now
You could probably also add Cahill into this list as he has been turned into a support striker by Moyes rather than the attacking midfielder he was before.
As mentioned before, we shouldn?t judge the forwards by the profit made, but rather their impact on the team, however, I would suggest that as these players are mainly increasing in value (Bent and Mcfadden both by 500%), it would mean that Moyes is in fact getting the best out of them.
One other thing to consider ? how many of those players will in the future go for fees higher than that received by Everton? This also suggests that Moyes knows the right time to let the players go.
20 Posted 30/07/2008 at 08:38:20
Don?t you think that Moyes should have done his homework befor buying the players you mention. If, as you state. ?AJ was a brain dead pace merchant with no intelligence.? And both him and Beattie where. ?One dimensional?. Why in gods name did he buy them in the first place?
Buying record signings on the assumption that "you" are correct in your assessment does not speak much for his talent spotting prowess. Then again. "You" may be wrong in "your" assessment and Moyes may have alienated them with his tactics.
21 Posted 30/07/2008 at 11:05:31
I thought Marcus Bent was one of our best players his first season, but the following year he was no longer able to do justice to the new players around him. Beattie came in and contrary to popular opinion he had a good first season. He was touted for a place in England?s World Cup squad and many were shocked at Crouch?s inclusion ahead of his. The following year, Beattie was clearly out of his depth in another improved Everton side and in came Johnson - who was revolutionary in his first season and in my opinion marked our entrance as a true European contenders.
However a year later, Everton yet again much improved and AJ?s constant running and menace were no longer enough to mask his inadaquecies in front of goal. A true (world class?) striker who could guarantee 20 goals a season was needed to do justice to our team. With the quality of Yakubu, I think we have found this striker and it is likely to be time for a bit of stability up front and improved strength in depth for the overall squad.
In conclusion, rather than this demonstrating Moyes shortcomings, I am of the opinion that it highlights how we have improved as a football club every year siunce since Moyes has been in charge.
22 Posted 30/07/2008 at 12:11:50
Has anyone close the club heard this??
23 Posted 30/07/2008 at 12:29:12
Shaun Kinnair, why would Moyes want to be an assistant manager? He?s aready a manager, it woud be a bad step back in his career. It won?t happen, not a chance.
24 Posted 30/07/2008 at 12:41:16
25 Posted 30/07/2008 at 12:52:03
I didn?t want him to go but the important thing now is that it is wrapped up quickly.
26 Posted 30/07/2008 at 12:53:06
With all due respect mate. What you, me or any other fan want for the club counts for nothing.
My origional point was that. Buying a player and selling him on for a profit because he is not up to the job is not good footballing management.
Buying him and making him work effectively within the team is !
Regardless of the price paid.
Moyes may go to Man Utd by the way to gain experience as to how the club is run. Before taking the helm in a season or two.
Frightening prospect i know.
But a real possibility considering we are Man Utd’s lap dogs. If you get my drift.
27 Posted 30/07/2008 at 12:58:13
Add to that list : Juan Sebastián Verón, Liam Miller, Kleberson, Louis Saha, Karel Poborsky, Jordi Cruyff, Massimo Taibi......
28 Posted 30/07/2008 at 13:05:51
On the Moyes to Man Utd issue, I don?t think he would step down to assistant manager and he doesn?t need any experience. Just my opinion like, his future is here for the time being.
29 Posted 30/07/2008 at 13:27:27
I hope your’e right on the Moyes thing. The last thing we need is to lose the manager.
30 Posted 30/07/2008 at 15:38:22
31 Posted 30/07/2008 at 18:14:43
Shrinking violets who shit themselves on the big stage when they aren’t cutting the mustard need to be sold. When Wenger makes money on a player he is called a genius, yet when Moyes sells up for a profit his managerial credentials are questioned.
You can’t have it both ways, if a player doesn’t suit the managerial style of Moyes or the pressure of the fanbase then there is no point keeping them. For fucks sake what would you like him to do?
32 Posted 30/07/2008 at 18:36:31