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Don?t Panic, Mister Moyes?

By Si Ord :  12/08/2008 :  Comments (63) :
If you?re not panicking by you now, you should be, with the latest news of Pienaar's injury, Newcastle making Smith unavailable, and the president of CSKA announcing Love is not going to be allowed to go on loan.

If anyone was not concerned about how seriously threadbare our squad is just take a look at what is our probable starting line-up and bench for Saturday's game against Blackburn: Howard, Yobo, Jagielka, Lescott, Valente, Arteta, Osman, Neville, Baines, Gosling, Yakubu. Subs: Turner, Molyneux, Rodwell, Irving, Kissock, Baxter, Jutkiewicz

The average age of the outfield players on the bench is 18 and five of them have never appeared in a competitive game for the first team, and none have started. The starting line-up is made up of 2 left backs, a right back in centre midfield, 3 centre halves , 2 attacking midfielders, one forward and a young teenager who has played less than 20 games in the Championship.

Some will point to those players unavailable at the moment and while Hibbert, Pienaar, Cahill, Vaughan and Anichebe will make a massive difference. It is unreasonable to expect we will not have at least 2 or 3 players unavailable at any one time throughout the season. Probably our best team with the present squad is: Howard, Yobo, Jagielka, Lescott, Baines, Arteta, Osman, Neville, Pienaar, Cahill, Yakubu. Subs: Turner, Hibbert, Valente, Rodwell, Gosling, Vaughan, Anichebe.

The problem is not so much in the starting line-up, but the options available on the bench. We only have five midfielders at the club and we play a five-man midfield!!!! Rodwell is primarily a centre half and Gosling a right back, although has he even played enough first team games to know what his best position is!

Undoubtedly we have got by in the past. The best performances of last season; the second Fiorentina game, the 7-1 drubbing of Sunderland, and Tottenham away may surprise some fans ? all featured both Neville and Carsley together in midfield. Actually the Tottenham game we were without Cahill and Pienaar, AND Johnson and Anichebe played upfront. In fact the team which played arguably the best football all season against Fiorentina was: Howard, Hibbert, Yobo, Jagielka, Lescott, Carsley, Osman, Neville, Pienaar, Cahill, Yakubu. Subs: Wessels, Baines, Gosling, Arteta, Gravesen, Johnson, Anichebe.

Discounting all the young players and academy prospects, we are probably still short of a reserve keeper, four or five midfielders and a striker. We can probably get by in defense as long as we avoid major injuries here. Six or seven players is a minimum to compete for a place in the Uefa Cup and have a decent cup run, but that?s more than we?ve signed in the LAST 2 YEARS! ? even if we?ve managed to finish 5th and 6th, get to the semi finals of the Coca Cola and have a decent run in the UEFA.

This seems to be the problem during Moyes?s tenure. There?s no doubt he?s improved the quality, but we are woefully short of options, particularly in midfield, which is where DM?s weakness is if he has one. He has constantly improved the team since he came and last season even the style of play, but the squad is still threadbare. If we have more than a couple of injuries we will struggle to field a first team. How many times last season, did a game cry out for Moyes to make a change, and he was constrained by the options available to him. The weakness is in his lack of options in team selection, or ability to change a match through substitutions, because there isn?t enough of a squad to pick from.

We are, and have blatantly been short of, midfielder options for maybe three or four seasons. Is it lack of funds or something else? It was obvious Gravesen was only a stop gap, and the chances were we wouldn?t sign Fernandes on a long-term deal, but why did we let Carsley go so easily, even if he was to remain as cover. The logic behind not giving him a two-year deal at the end of the season, which would have surely secured his services, seems completely flawed. If we did subsequently sign enough players, which would mean signing two defensive midfielders to ensure cover he could then be moved on.

It would have cost us around £235k wage bill to keep him until the end of August, or around £540k to keep him until the January transfer window. If it was decided he was superfluous to requirements then, and he could surely command a small fee, as he was obviously in demand at other clubs. We now face going into the first match, and possibly the first half of the season, with nobody in the current squad who is comfortable in that position.

The Andy Johnson transfer makes sense at between £10.5million and £13 million and represents good business for a player, who in his last 25 games had scored 5 goals (2 against Brann at home) in 17 starts and 3 sub appearances at an average of 292 minutes per goal. Perhaps most surprisingly is he started so many matches and featured in 80% of those games. However what are we doing selling a player, when yet again we don?t have a replacement lined up? Clubs now know we have available funds, and will obviously inflate their asking prices accordingly.

Maybe I am missing something with Mouthino, but why ? if a player can command a fee of between £13 and £18 million ? does it appear as though no other club is competing for his signature?

Also Stephane M?Bia, if he was really one of our targets, why was this deal not tied up months ago? With Cameroon likely to progress after his goal against Honduras, the earliest he could be in England would be around Aug 19th and if they go most of the way it could be as late as the 24th, allowing 7 days to complete the deal. Unlikely?

Oh and what about a reserve keeper? If we felt the need for a backup to Tim Howard last season, what has changed? Have either Turner or Ruddy made sufficient progress to be his deputy this season?

For those in the real desperation stakes if Newcastle will sell him there is Alan Smith, a playmaker who can?t, or a forward who hasn?t scored in 50 games. What of our supposed previous targets such as Brian Howard, Scott Mcdonald, Lorik Cana, Michael Bradley, James Milner, Pablo Aimar and of course Fernandes! ... and a couple of wildcards Shunsuke Nakamura and Jimmy Bullard.

There was talk of a transfer budget of around £20M, which according to Kenwright was to be added to the Johnson money, if anybody really believes that! That would mean with a few loan signings we had £30M to sign 5 players, about £6M average per player. Why is it that we still haven?t managed to sign a single player in 3 months? What is the plan, logic or sense to our transfer dealings in the last three or four months? Whoever is responsible should not be involved in the club!


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Blair Johnson
1   Posted 12/08/2008 at 06:33:19

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Lifelong toffee here... if I was Moyes I’d resign. We are a disgrace ... a Premiership club on a Vauxhall Conference budget and totally financially mismanaged since the 1980s. Why have we not become fully professional. A laughing stock. I log on everyday expecting good news ... but my optimism has expired. We deserve to be relegated. We are on a par with shambles clubs like Leeds and Leicester. Go somewhere that deserves your skills Davie boy...the suits at Goodison certainly don;t deserve you. Where’s the Rooney money, the Gregg investment and the Prem cash for finishing 5th gone? And what about the AJ money? We’re lightweight and so desperate to sell up that we’ll go for pittance. Dark days indeed.
Derek Thomas
2   Posted 12/08/2008 at 06:39:40

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As soon as I saw the Dad?s army related title I was convinced that my reply would be ?Stupid boy?... You know what? try as I might to fault him, but he?s right, there are no reasons to be cheerful.

If Moyes and the team and us get a win v Blackburn they should give the manager of the year to Davy right now, because there will not be a better job done in the silk purses from sows ears dept.

Permission to panic Capt. Kenrick??
Ian McDowell
3   Posted 12/08/2008 at 07:31:31

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Its an absolute flipping disgrace what is going on at Everton, the local Daily Post says every day that the club are close to singing someone but nothing ever materialises. I would certainly not blame Moyes if he walked now; the club is a laughing stock.
Alan Ross
4   Posted 12/08/2008 at 07:08:26

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I think the weekend's attendence for PSV illustrated the enthusiasm for the current regime. The fact that DM has still not signed his contract also shows his enthuiasm for a board that can?t get its act together yet issues statements that are obviously intended as PR. Statements I would add that show a glareing ineptitude in there disrespect for the average Evertonian. ?Watch this space? conjures up the jingoism of someone who has sod all to say that might resemble truth or substance. DM?s statements are obviously not intended for puplic consumption but are directed elsewhere and regretably with little effect.

So what use the ordinary Evertonian protesting? Very little since the propaganda war was instigated and a wall of silence decended over Everton at the beginning of the summer. Saving face is the order of the day at present now that statements are being issued like there?s no tomorrow. I don?t want to get political here but it all smacks of the politician who having been rejected is so wrapped up in the belief he?s right that he sees his task as getting his message across in a more understandable fashion to the masses. An arrogance that will result in Evertonians staying away in droves.

Jason Lam
5   Posted 12/08/2008 at 08:05:12

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Not having new players for the pre-season games is a disgrace already. Can we expect them to gel immediately on the pitch? Sure, sign Kaka. But we can?t afford anyone that costs more than a McDonald?s super value meal. But hey, come Saturday we can see first-hand the fruits of our academy. Exciting times ahead.
Gavin Ramejkis
6   Posted 12/08/2008 at 08:24:47

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It indeed speaks volumes when the most vociferous of BK’s fanclub Richard Dodd has posted on these pages criticising the club’s PR and also seems to be getting twitchy. Something is wrong at Everton, something which we will probably never hear admitted but looks more and more like the lack of funds to go hand in hand with the lack of acumen at the top.

Football doesn’t stand still and it would be another sad and damning chapter in Everton’s checquered recent history of not making the most of an opportunity staring the club in the face. Many posters have said they wouldn’t blame DM for walking, myself included and that would be a true disaster as BK would then have no one to hide his incompetence behind. A gloomy start of the season beckons, I don’t see relegation but what a kick in the teeth for players who worked hard last season to achieve fifth to potentially fall back down the premiership through lack of depth and strength in the squad that hit last season’s end.
Kristian Boyce
7   Posted 12/08/2008 at 08:19:26

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Great article, well written and accurate. I wouldn’t be surprised come Friday at 5pm, with no new players added, that we get the announcement that Moyes has walked out of the club. I think that the majority of fans wouldn’t blame him either. He has turned this club into a top 5 team, and this is the support he gets from the board, an absolute joke. DM has been criticized over the years and labeled dithering, but looking back now it may have not been his fault, it the club that dithers. Like the article says, we’ve had 3 months to tie up transfers, why the hell are we rushing at the 11th hour to get players in. Preseason is meant to be a time were teams bring in new players and a time for them to bond by playing meaningless friendlies. Say we have a miracle and end up signing 5 players tomorrow, how much upheaval is it going to cause with 5 brand new players in the team, not knowing how the team plays. As it was already said, we’re doomed.
Lorcan Walsh
8   Posted 12/08/2008 at 08:30:14

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I don?t think we can get out of whatever mess we may be in by signing 3, 4 or 10 players in the next 3 weeks - it takes time to build a team after all.

What?s perhaps more worrying is that there are no signs of an overall plan in terms of team-building.

Stadium debacle apart, I would have hoped that we had identified and bid for realistic targets in good time. Midfield has to be the priority - and none of the supposed targets appears to fit the bill.

Let?s not panic though - whatver team takes the field on Saturday deserves our 150% support - COYB!
Kristian Boyce
9   Posted 12/08/2008 at 08:46:11

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I forgot to add this bit to my comment. Did anyone else see the Valente comments about Moutinho on the OS? A sign of pure desperation from the club. Its a blatant attempt to build up a transfer which is more than likely never going to happen, but make it sound like he’s coming.
Will Brennan
10   Posted 12/08/2008 at 09:06:29

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Ever been so happy on the eve of a new season ? Where?s the new signings! Where?s the money! £20M transfer kitty my arse. £10.5M up front for Johnson. And don't forget the £5M for McFadden in January!!!! This club is an absolute shambles. We should all be full of optimism after last season but instead get kicked in the teeth AGAIN. How long can it go on and I agree with some posters on here that Moyes surely must be getting pissed off.
EJ Ruane
11   Posted 12/08/2008 at 10:00:46

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Hands up time.

Three weeks back I was one of those saying "it?ll be fine!"

Five or six class players coming in, plus a few nippers coming through.

?Kicking on? and ?moving to the next level? - great stuff!

At my age I REALLY should have known better

Now, I?d take 8 experienced ?bodies?

(ie: Carsley types, frees or 900 grand types).

We WILL get injuries and we CAN?T rely on kids.

As depressing as this is, we need bodies - ANY BLEEDIN? BODIES - NOW!
12   Posted 12/08/2008 at 10:26:09

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I have tried to stay positive all summer, but my patience has now run out. I agree, not having new players for pre-season matches is a disgrace. Not bringing new blood into our threadbare squad is a disgrace. I am not hopeful now of anyone signing. We are rapidly becoming a laughing stock. FFS I HOPE WE SIGN SOMEONE SOON..................
Ron Hill
13   Posted 12/08/2008 at 10:21:30

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I’d guess that they’ll come a point, pretty soon, where Moyes will simply decide to run his contract down. Added to that he’ll probably just give up on the signings he wanted this year, ear-marking them for his next club!
Colin Potter
14   Posted 12/08/2008 at 11:09:01

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We can all see whats going on at this great club af ours, but there arestill fans who still think the sun shines out of Billy Liars arse!! Unbelievable !!
Iain McWilliam
15   Posted 12/08/2008 at 11:55:15

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The reason why Moyes always seems to take so long to buy players is because Kenwright has to wait for the initial Sky payments for the new season before he can assure his backers that they are not throwing good money away. This will go on for as long as Kenwright is in charge and regardless if we move stadiums...he just doesnt have enough money.

I think Moyes will stay to the end of the season purely out of decency but hes taking a big gamble with ruining his reputation...then again who is going to take him?

Hopefully in 5 years time all the foriegn investors will have pulled out of SKY footy and they will all be as poor as ourselves!
Seth DeMerit
16   Posted 12/08/2008 at 11:58:06

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I closed my eyes,
tuned into Sky Sports Ahh Ahh
No news for nice thoughts Ahh Ahh
Any player will do

And way down south
Spurs are a spending Ahh ahh
No signing pending Ahh ahh
Any player will do..

An Alan Smith, an M?Bia
A Moutinho, or even Manny back on loan...

Moyes must be pissed
as BK dithers Ahh Ahh
and our squad withers Ahh Ahh
Any player will do

Our great great club
is run by a more on ahh ahh
its all a big con ahh ahh
Any player will do
Any player, Any player will do
Any player, Any player will do...
Cameron Hamilton
17   Posted 12/08/2008 at 12:39:38

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The situation at Everton is a disgrace. How can it be that we can barely field a competitive team on the first weekend of the season?

I have said previously that we are a few injuries short of a relegation scrap and now we just about have one with one of our few midfielders going down.

Finally, at the start of a new season, which clubs are going to release their best players so they can come to Everton? We’ll be filling the squad with bit players and loan signings rather than the quality we’ve been led to believe.

Mismanagement and incompetence of the highest order.
Dave Wilson
18   Posted 12/08/2008 at 12:30:38

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Why the fuck are you all so convinced DM will walk?

If he stays and we sink, everyone will say "poor Davey, had to work with nothing at all"
if, on the other hand, we have a good season it?ll be "what a miracle worker Davey boy is"

Would any of you seriously walk away from a £3m a year no loose situation?

He?s going nowhere.
Andy Williams
19   Posted 12/08/2008 at 12:45:35

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My stomach churns at the thought of my beloved club turning into the joke of the prem. Optimism turns to feelings of absolute disapointment. A club heading in the wrong direction with no purpose or ambition to compete at the top . At this point in time id rather have Monty Burns at the helm than BK. Come on Everton, pull thine finger out.
Craig Carter
20   Posted 12/08/2008 at 12:33:28

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Did anyone get onto the comments made by are new CEO?
He says the club is not in crisis!!!
Take a look and see what ya?s think.

New Everton CEO has come out fighting against accusations that Everton are a club in crisis. Robbie says: "I absolutely don?t see a club in crisis. It is the best squad this Club has had, probably in a generation. Sixth and fifth place finishes in the toughest league in the world says an awful lot. This morning I was down at the training ground. We are just going into our second year there and it?s a fantastic facility."Season ticket numbers are ahead of where they were last year, and it?s the first year of our new, record Chang deal - which is worth about 50 per cent more than the previous deal. I?m new into this job but I am coming into it with a very, very strong management team. It?s a team I am very confident in. There are plenty of good things going on at the Club."

What a load of bull, How can he say its the best squad we have had for years when we have let a number of players that helped us to them 6th an 5th finishes go! We only have 16 experienced pro?s at the club, this is including VDM, Cahill an Piennar who are some way off fitness. So 1 experienced Gk, 4 full backs backs, 3 centre halfs, 5 mid an 3 forwards is good enough for what the CEO calls a top 5 or 6 side. For me we are at least 4 quality players an 2 squad players short, We need numbers an fast.

Back Moyes Kenwright or were going loose the best young Manager in the world!
Damian Wilde
21   Posted 12/08/2008 at 12:50:44

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I reckon within a few years Everton will be in the conference or will be no more. Okay, things aren?t great and I was absolutely gutted when I saw the Piernaar story, but get a grip FFS.

As for just get anybody in, no! Stick the kids in rather than buy some shite. What?s the point in wasting money on players who are shite? Players who would get absolutely slaughtered on here. Is Brett Angel still playing? Maybe see if Tony Grant is up for it??

We?ve got some decent players, some good kids, other players who will be back from injury soon and hopefully a few signings will be in soon. Not the best situation (worrying!!), but I?m sure we?ll get through it. This talk of relagation, ridciulous! We must get some of your crying fuckers into the dressing room to do the team talk, then we will get relegated. Just get behind your team. COYB.
Amit Vithlani
22   Posted 12/08/2008 at 12:32:05

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As one of the posters has already alluded, something has ominously and fundamentally gone wrong with the club’s funding for transfers. The wailing and gnashing directed at Moyes (see mailbag) is totally misplaced but Kenwright quite rightly deserves our ire.

My suspicion, like so many others, is that we have little or no funding left, other than perhaps some of the Johnson cash. We don’t appear to generate significant positive cash flows from our basic operating activities (due, in part, to the paucity of our Commercial initiatives - and here the Board must take full responsibility). Consequently, I suspect we are dependent on a series of bridge loans (probably repaid by player sales) to finance Transfers. With the Credit Crunch on, I think we can no longer rely on the banks or other "Benefactors" to readily extend lines of credit. Indeed, some may be looking for a reduction and hence, other than the Johnson cash, there may be nothing left for Moyes to use. With so many positions to fill, Moyes’ job is next to impossible.

Ultimately, we may make some signings, but that suggests to me that Kenwright has succeed in getting one of his buddies to put back some dosh, or yet again the loan system may come to our rescue. In the meantime, I will be at Goodison on Saturday (travelling from London).

There seems little point in cutting off our noses to spite our faces. Giving the team our full support can only improve their chances of beating, lets face it, a mediocre Blackburn side. A tough season lies ahead, but its a Grand Old Team to support!
Tony Hawkins
23   Posted 12/08/2008 at 13:11:59

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Rumour has it Sunderland are willing to pay £6m for Baines. This is not good news.

Moyes can not allow the squad being disassembled!!
Jim Bowen
24   Posted 12/08/2008 at 12:58:14

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"Say we have a miracle and end up signing 5 players tomorrow, how much upheaval is it going to cause with 5 brand new players in the team, not knowing how the team plays." - Kristian, don’t be silly, that is our dream scenrio at this point in time, albeit very far from the right way of doing things.

Our club is run by BK. He admits he hasn’t a clue, he’s just a fan like us. He doesn’t have any money to take the club forward either on or off the field. Bill, please can you answer me ONE question.

What the hell do you think you are doing to Everton?
Marlon Wilson
25   Posted 12/08/2008 at 13:02:05

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Being a Toffee based in London is hard enough at the best of times but this summer has almost been too much to bear. Every day i trawl the internet for Crumbs of comfort with regards to new players etc.. yet with less than one week till the start of the season our already small squad is smaller than it was at the end of last season, all of the teams around us have strengthened but still we proud Evertonians wait (it would seem in vain) for some long overdue good news with regards to incoming playing personel, i believe selling Aj represented good business but trying to replace with Alan Smith??? it beggars belief. Now add to that the injury to Peanuts and i’m crying into my pint before a ball has even been kicked.
What should’ve been a summer of Content and optimism has turned into a summer of farce of Biblical Proportions.
Marc Williams
26   Posted 12/08/2008 at 13:02:39

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Iain Mcwilliam - I don?t think Moyes is taking a gamble with his reputation as its plain to see whats going on here.
I?ve always felt he would run down his contract & ONLY leave this year if someone comes in for him. So I think there is a chance of him being at Newcastle if they start off poorly & make him an offer.
Otherwise he?ll be open to offers next summer.

Have you all seen the latest on the transfer front (NO DON?T BE STUPID WE?RE NOT BUYING ) Baines is apparently off to Sunderland.

I wonder at what point reality will dawn on all the ?calm downers? that their optimism & blind faith this summer is mis-placed ?
Liam Young
27   Posted 12/08/2008 at 13:15:15

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I cant beleive we haven?t signed anybody yet, we seem to have the buying power of a conference team, no-one at goodison say they were expecting no players signed by the 12th August, if they do, they are telling lies, we have prided ourselves on trying to being players in for pre-season. Well pre-season is now OVER and nobody. Pienaar out is just the final kick in the teeth, lets hope our youth players don?t mind being thrown in the deep end, when I bought my ticket for Blackburn on Saturday, I was convinced we would see new faces, but now??? We have a much weaker squad than last season. Whats going on at goodison?, all we get told is, dont worry, I'm sick of it, all I want is the truth why were so quiet in the market. We finished 5th last season, and to build on it, we now need at least 6 players, just over 2 weeks left in the window, there will have to be a rapid frantic change in ambition.

I'm not the type to just hit the panic button, but this has gotten me very worried, we will be lucky to break into the top 12 the way we are...
Paul McCann
28   Posted 12/08/2008 at 13:08:07

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Dave Wilson,

There may not be many obvious sides for Moyes to move on too, but you can bet that when the first big job comes up they’ll be coming knocking, that is if he hasn’t walked already.

You say why would he walk out on 3m a year? Well believe me mate, if we get to Saturday and haven’t signed anyone of consequence I would walk out, and I have supported the club for twenty-five years [and haven’t got 5-10m stashed in the bank like Moyes]. Would a long holiday not seem like a good idea to you, because Moyes can certainly afford to take one.

This is an absolute joke.
Andy Williams
29   Posted 12/08/2008 at 13:21:41

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My last comment makes it sound like I am blaming the club. That was not my intention. Full blame lies with the board. Everton will be here longer than any of those muppets and so will my love for the club.
Lewis Barclay
30   Posted 12/08/2008 at 13:56:27

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The water is looking rather thick and brown from where I’m seated.

Now... where did I put those paddles?
Kin Meng
31   Posted 12/08/2008 at 13:39:18

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If I’m Chairman or Manager of other clubs, esp those in the EPL, I wouldn’t be in a rush to sell my players to EVERTON.. just to see how desperate they can get.. Maybe I may even be able to sell some of my club’s deadwood to them at a HIGH price.. We are dire straits.. my felllow Evertonians.
Kin Meng
32   Posted 12/08/2008 at 13:39:18

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If I’m Chairman or Manager of other clubs, esp those in the EPL, I wouldn’t be in a rush to sell my players to EVERTON.. just to see how desperate they can get.. Maybe I may even be able to sell some of my club’s deadwood to them at a HIGH price.. We are dire straits.. my felllow Evertonians.
Ciaran Duff
33   Posted 12/08/2008 at 14:02:26

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I’m sure plenty of people on here have an opinion about this but the big Q for me is WHY are there no transfers in. We’ve had Moyes, BK and players continually saying that we obviously need 5 or 6 new faces but to date no reporter has asked them the reason WHY not 1 has been added. Is it sheer lack of funds as we all suspect? Is it that Moyes will not accept second best as has been mentioned before? Is it that they believe that the market is over inflated at the moment? Is it the credit crunch? Is some or all of it related to DK? We need some plausible reasons from DM himself.
Dave Brierley
34   Posted 12/08/2008 at 13:59:57

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Hate to join in all the doom and despair but in common with most of the above contributors I study all the appropriate sites each day in hope of some (any) good news as regards signings and team strengthening. The info just seems to get worse and worse with signings that appeared very close in the last few weeks fading on an ever increasingly distant horizon.

Even Smith, the most likely and easiest acquisition you would have thought, albeit one which very few of us would have got too excited about prior to August, seems to have moved backwards. Above writers have suggested we are a joke in the eyes of others. I can confirm that is the case in my experience, living in the South and talking to Chelsea, Tottenham and Arsenal supporters. They are as astonished as I am that a club which had a great opportunity to move forward after a really good season appears to have just held up a white flag (well actually we did’nt cos we probably can’t afford one).

But the problem I have is that as of today my expectations are nil. I’m no longer surprised at the lack of activity, urgency or consideration for the supporters. In fact I just feel very sad.
Phil Owen
35   Posted 12/08/2008 at 14:20:56

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How can BK expect us to believe anything he says anymore. Lets face it, the reasons DM has not signed his new contract, the reason we have not made any signings, the reason why BK is sounding out the media saying "I am prepared to listen to offers to buy the club", the reason we are attempting to get players on loan instead of fronting up the cash is all because WE HAVE NO MONEY! The sale of AJ has just payed of a debt. I am prepared for a long hard season, unless I am proved wrong and we sign 5 or 6 quality players by Saturday. I REALLY hope I am proved wrong..........
Andrew Fair
36   Posted 12/08/2008 at 14:33:47

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I dont know if its optimism or stupidity but i disagree with the majority of fans on this site! Yes we will probably go into the first game of the season with no new players available but it is against a Blackburn team who are going to struggle this year without Bentley. An early win against a similarly downbeat club will give the players confidence and will then build from there. We will have players coming in, who knows who they will be as the papers pick names at random quicker than the portugese police but we will be a bigger and better squad. Remember this bunch of players pushed all the way for fourth and a uefa cup quarter final. Yes we have lost two players but carsley wanted to go back home for his family and AJ as much as we all loved him didnt score the goals so the sale makes perfect sense. One final point, we have 3 or 4 youngsters who look like their going to be really good players plus hopefully Vaughan who will stay fit all season and Anichebe who hopefully will learn alot from his olympic experience thats 5 or 6 players to add to a threadbare squad who can all make an impact this season! Although the negative fans out there will probably start to echo the views of a redshite " you’ll never win anything with kids" In moyes we trust! COYB
Iain McWilliam
37   Posted 12/08/2008 at 14:54:26

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Well Marc, thats the first time I've been called a ?calm downer?...I think I know what it means :o)

My original post was writen with an effort not to sound overly negative in case the ?In Moyesie we trust? and ?Kirkby or bust? brigade took offence... obviously I went too far (bit like Blair with the Labour party!).

My honest assesment of all this is that we are totally farked and have been for about 10 years. The only way we are getting out of this mess is through some nutter who is willing to ignore all financial advice in an economically unstable world to buy a club with £60 million worth of rising debt in an economically deprived area neighboring the two most successful clubs in England, a VERY small squad full of tryers but little skill and of no appeal to TV advertisers (potential sponsors), competing in a league where only 2 clubs are gauranteed silverware at the end of the season.

What's there to worry about!
Tony Finn
38   Posted 12/08/2008 at 14:55:54

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I can see there being a lot of angry angry people in the crowd on Saturday. If we concede early on I think the venom from the crowd will only get worse and rightly so. Up to about a week ago I was refusing to join the doom merchants but now there simply is no other camp. Once again, just when we think we are on the way up things go tits up and there's nothing we can do about it as fans. one step forward two steps back again. I'm scared about the coming season.
Michael Tracey
39   Posted 12/08/2008 at 15:02:27

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Simon Skinner can you help us out?
Ciaran Duff
40   Posted 12/08/2008 at 15:25:27

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Hi Andrew,

I am normally fairly positive but I think we have genuine reason for concern. It is not just all the posters on Toffeeweb who think we need 5 or 6 players, it is DM & his own players who’ve actually said that.
Paul McCann
41   Posted 12/08/2008 at 15:31:16

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I know of just such a man. Fortunately/Unfortunately he bought Man. City last summer.

There can’t be two of them out there surely.
Marc Williams
42   Posted 12/08/2008 at 16:43:01

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Iain McWilliam - Iain I was not classing you as a ’calm downer’, it was only the 1st bit that was a reply to you

Sorry for the confusion..
Paul O'Hanlon
43   Posted 12/08/2008 at 16:52:42

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Have to pull you up on the point you make about Neville and Carsley playing together for our best performances last season, namely the Fiorentina game. Osman played in the middle with Carsley, with Arteta and Pienaar on the wings.

Neville should NEVER EVER play in our midfield again unless absolutely necessary. Unfortunately I reckon he?ll play there as often this season as he did last...sigh
Graham McCann
44   Posted 12/08/2008 at 17:00:07

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My main concern is that I have a £5 bet on every Everton game with a Stoke fan I know here in the Potteries. I’ve won more fivers than i have lost over the last couple of years. Now Stoke have been promoted and the bet is on Stoke results aswell, I thought that I was laughing all the way to the bank a couple of months ago. How wrong could I be? Help!!!!!!!!!!!
David Jones
45   Posted 12/08/2008 at 17:57:25

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I truly am at a loss to what we are going to do. Maybe all these kids coming through are world beaters. Maybe no one else will get injured and other teams will suffer horribly.

Maybe we all won’t be left looking at each other sheepishly when Moyes goes because of the club limitations.

All I got is maybes. I don’t believe that a club with any ambition would not get enough of the squad together to get them gelled before the season begins. 6 players? I’d settle for 3 now and 3 in January at the momement. And I doubt we will have that speed of activity from the current efforts.

I’m not totally depressed, but then again I ain’t hopeful either.

COYB. Sigh.
Steve Grimshaw
46   Posted 12/08/2008 at 19:04:45

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With the success we have had these last few seasons, I find it hard to believe that we are in this situation!! Even if we should miraculously aquire the players we dream about, the season may already be compromised, because we have left it so late to buy. Furthermore if I was a club selling players, I would certainly be playing hard ball with Everton right now, as we are definatly desperate ! We finished 5th in the premiership but are acting like we finished 5th in the Vauxhall league. Its criminal!!
Adam Wightman
47   Posted 12/08/2008 at 19:30:24

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Do you think this is why moyes hasn?t signed a contract yet?
Stephen Johnson
48   Posted 12/08/2008 at 19:32:20

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Well, folks, my lad works in Eygpt and I keep him up to date and as soon as EFC had taken the kids on pre-season tour and Moyes had not signed his contract I told him what was going to happen, you could see it a mile off. I said from the start Kenwright was not the man to take the club over, and he is the same one who is stoping people investing in the club (for his own selfish reasons). I find myself saying this all the time these day?s but please Kenwright go. IF Moyes goes, which I think he will, I wish him well; he deserves better, and we will lose some great players too. God help all EFC and the fans
Ray Robinson
49   Posted 12/08/2008 at 20:20:13

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If we win on Saturday, we’ll be ecstatic but papering over the cracks. If we lose, there’d better be a good police presence as I think things will turn very nasty.

And no, I don’t want this to happen. I’ll be offering my full support to the lads on the park.
Andy Merrick
50   Posted 12/08/2008 at 20:48:22

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Listen to you all complain, complain, complain. Yes, i'm a bit miffed at the lack of transfers but while we are waiting for all that to happen, the issue is who the hell is gonna buy us? Kenwright is probably looking at Man City, Liverpool and other clubs like Newcastle who have been taken over and had a crap job done of it. You all just need to be patient and I promise you we will be 5th or 6th next season; probably not top four because we will screw it up at the end of the season like we almost did last year. But still if anyone wants to give up their season ticket to me I will gladly take it because I'm a blue and a fucking proud blue at that, and I will be there saturday cheering for Gosling, Baxter, Rodwell and what ever youngster arrives next. So do me a favour, stop complaing and get behind us.
Brian Waring
51   Posted 12/08/2008 at 21:22:51

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Andy, we have every right to complain, complain, conmplain! We were told that transfer money, has been in place since the end of last season, so why hasn’t it been used yet. And don’t give me all this, Moyes is biding his time, so he brings in quality. Well, we have been linked all pre - season with quality, but none have arrived yet, why? You have BK telling us "to watch this space " What a load of bullshit. The truth is that we are probalby skint, and he is waiting for one of his cronies to bail us out again. I still can’t fathom out, why there is still fans out there who hang onto his every word, like it is gospel. Also, Andy, those fans complaining (including me ) are also fucking proud to be blue, but that doesn’t mean we have to be happy with what is going on.
Mark Griffiths
52   Posted 12/08/2008 at 21:45:20

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A week ago I was really looking forward to the Blackburn game, now I am indifferent to it.

What the fuck is going on at our club, believe you an dme if Moyes could get some players in for the strat of the season he would, but his hands are tied and we as fans are a bunch of mushrooms giving chance after chance to the powers that be whilst being lied to time after time!

I will be the first to apologise to BK and the club if in 3 days i am proved wrong but (oh fuck i am doing it again-letting the slightest shred of optimism rule my thoughts), we are a joke and a laughing stock the way we have condcuted business this summer.

I would have more respect if we had been told 2 months ago, look sorry but we just don?t have the money to improve the squad this year and may need to sell to balance the books and maybe get a few players on the cheap or on loan!
Martin Handley
53   Posted 12/08/2008 at 20:19:03

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Right, before we start, I am no fan of Kenwright, Wyness or the rest of the board, but I have finally come to the conclusion that David Moyes is also to blame for the lack of transfer activity this summer. Before all the calls to lock me up and throw away the key comes think about it... He sanctioned the sale of AJ, he released Wessels, Fernandes, sold McFadden leaving us transparent. Regardless of the money situation he could've brought in some loan signings well before now.

We get told about Moutinho, Love and Smith but in reality he hasn't made a bid for any of them. This is a return to the Dithering Dave we thought was long gone. And we and the board have given him the perfect smokescreen to hide behind, the STUPID stadium debate. It has been easy for him to stay out of the spotlight and avoid the transfer market he so hates.

Now he's splashing around like a beached whale trying to find anybody who can walk to come and plug the gaps. I think it's time to bring in a general manager like a Joe Royle to handle the transfers and leave Moyes to get on with what he's good at the football side of things. With Stevie P's injury we'll struggle to put 11 players of 1st team quality out. As I've stated the board must take a large share of the blame,But so should Davey Moyes. In Moyes we trust ? at football, YES; at transfers... NO!!!

Andy Spence
54   Posted 12/08/2008 at 22:00:59

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Andy Merrick
I?m proud as fuck to be born a blue, and I love this club as much as I love my family. I bought my season ticket for me and my son again, will do next season as well but..


I hate the thought of those bastards across the park laughing at us but can you blame them??

I also agree that Kenwright has to be careful who he sells to but, as Mark Griffiths states, I would've preferred to be told the truth by my club, ie, we have no money, or we are waiting to see if we can borrow some money, rather than the pathetic b/s coming out in what are frankly embarrassing PR spins

Like everyone here, I hope we can pull another rabbit out of a hat but its looking dodgy at the moment.

Ian Bruce
55   Posted 12/08/2008 at 23:22:51

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Ho ho ha ha he he ha ha, we’re off to the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time with chirping birds.........

Wake me up before it turns to a nightmare!

Stephen Burton
56   Posted 12/08/2008 at 23:59:47

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While I’m excited about the imminent return of league football, I too am concered with our paper-thin squad as mentioned ad-nausea. However, in a way I’m glad to see so many of our kids may get a run out. Specifically so I can actually get to see them play. I’ve read a lot of stuff recently about how good Moyes is with young footballers but outside of Hibbert he hasn’t brought too many players through the system into the first team. Osman looked a goner for ages and was about 23-ish by the time he got a chance. Rooney was flogged to pay the rent while loads have been released on free transfers over the last few years. Perhaps this batch will be different given the chance. Vaughan & Anichebe have already shown promise while Jutkiewicz, Gosling and Rodwell are ready for (a lot) more first team action. On the far fringes are Kissock & Baxter though I’m not sure how much playing time they will actually get. Anyway, what I’m saying is that it certainly isn’t ideal but I’d much rather put Rodwell or Gosling into the team instead of us panic-buying Robbie Savage or someone similar. See you Saturday. In Chang We Trust!
Ciaran Duff
57   Posted 13/08/2008 at 00:28:42

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I too often get frustrated with people complaining about the club & BK, expecting endless amounts of money to be spent and believing we have a god given right to be in the top 4. However, the current situation is different from that. We had a fairly small squad to start with. We always have an injury crisis. We are competing in UEFA and therefore have extra games. We have let players go and not replaced them. We have brought nobody in - forget top class players, we haven’t brought ANY players at all! This is just unbelievable. Ok, we MAY bring in a few on the last day but even if we do (big IF) then we will be starting well behind the 8 ball.
Michael Parrington
58   Posted 13/08/2008 at 00:26:24

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I cant disagree with some of the comments made in this article. The fact that we have not made any signings that replace the outgoing players is difficult to understand. Either we are in financial difficulty, are to inflexible in our negotiations (try to drive a deal to hard in our favour), or we are just too fussy about the players that are wanted at the club. Whatever way you look at it from a fans point of view it?s worrying!

The only shinning light I can see is that there is now the potential for Moyes to be forced to employ some youngsters into the team on a regular basis. This will not only enhance the development of the more junior players, but may bring some extra youthful commitment and enthusiasm to the team. In the past many people on this site have criticised Moyes and Everton for not blooding the youngsters. Perhaps now is the time for the greater development of our own talent. I know it?s a cliché, but that?s what Manchester United were forced to do when they were in a similar position towards the start of Ferguson?s reign. It?s also what Wenger seems to be able to do extremely effectively.

Now I?m not saying that we don?t need new signings as it?s clear that we do, but perhaps Everton needs to become a club more in the ilk of a development of junior players with some classy imported players thrown in the mix, a la Arsenal.... Rather than a buy all the talent team ala Chelsea and Liverpool. Perhaps now is the perfect opportunity for it to be tried as it?s now out of necessity.
Steve Edwards
59   Posted 13/08/2008 at 00:27:52

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It’s looking like Baines could be on his way. Sky Sports is continuing to link him with Sunderland and guess what? Warnoch has put in a transfer request at Blackburn....Can’t say I’d loose any sleep at that one. Baines is a light weight crock who can’t defend. These fast boys alway pick up hamstring injuries. If we get the 6 million back for him I’ll be well please... Not one of Dave’s best buys.
Spragg Johansen
60   Posted 13/08/2008 at 01:06:50

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Another day... no new players, who?ll be injured next?

la de da de da....
Jason Lam
61   Posted 13/08/2008 at 03:14:50

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This summer has not gone to script. Finshed 5th in the prem and looking to break into the top4. 3 days to go and no new signings. Or was this the script? Or no script planned at all? It BK taking the piss? WTF is going on???????????????

I think we may go for a ’Gravesen’. Someone we can thrown on the pitch having already played with the lads. No pre-season required. He’ll be on loan (and probably crap, too-old, injured, or all the above). Carsley anyone?
Kristian Boyce
62   Posted 13/08/2008 at 06:37:00

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Jason, the funny thing is that I can see that happening. If it goes tits up this month, I could see Carsley coming back on a deadline day deal on a 2 year deal for something like £750k. It sounds crazy, but the way this summer has been, I wouldn?t be surprised.
Allan Fry
63   Posted 13/08/2008 at 10:20:42

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I?ve read through the posts and god its depressing. After last season, and all the PR (from Moyes about trying to sign people early to bed them in) I was expecting a confident start to this season.

Now I?m just worried that we?ll be out of everything by Mid Jan and have the kids fighting for our survival. If the 1st team stays fit and doesn?t get suspended we could finish top half, god willing a little higher, but pushing on.... no chance.

I am ambivalent re BK, but have the nagging feeling is he our David Moores, when he sells will we get the 30 silver piece brigade and will it make us happy. Probably not but I?d be less miserable if I thought we had a realistic chance of at least competing with the sky 4.

I think the reason we haven?t signed anyone is because we want Mouthino but we have only £25mill and can?t buy anyone else before we?ve got him, because if we overspend we will end up with the make weight and no one else.

I fear that that is the truth behind the smoke and mirrors.

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