Right, I, like all of us concerned with Everton and the current goings on have been racking my brains to come up with an Idea which can actually help the club.
I?m a normal supporter like all of you out there and hate the fact that I can?t do anything to help the club. I know someone is no bound to say what makes me think the club needs helping but I think from the silence coming out of Goodison and the whole debacle which is played out in the media and on sites like this are obvious signs alls not well.
So for my next idea, this is something I have been thinking about for along long time. People have suggested share issues, fans buy out of the club etc etc but all have been shot down for one reason or another. I?ll put another one up there then so this can equally be shot down.
Right then, let's say there is a company which has 100,000 (nice round number) shares. It will sell 1 share for £1,500 in the company. Every person will be limited to owning 1 share. The company is planning to build a stadium (for Everton). The company will own the stadium and will run the stadium. Everton will be tenants of the stadium. The company will be owned by 100,000 share holders. The stadium will be available for Concerts exhibitions etc. Any profit would be shared between EFC and the shareholders. So if the stadium company made £10M profit then 100,000 shareholders would receive £100 dividend for their shareholding.
This is possible. All the same naming rights, Stadium sponsorship, usage etc would be as any other Stadium. Also this doesn?t have to be a brand new stadium. It could be used to redevelop Goodison. Everton would pay a nominal Fee to rent the stadium and it would contribute towards policing on match days only and It would use all of the facilities and rooms and shops free of charge. Why, because we are doing this for the club.
How would we do it? Talk to Everton, Buy Goodison off them for a nominal fee. Say £1. Talk to the council. Get them to do everything in their power to give us the improved footprint we required. Cause so much shit for them if they don?t after allowing the shite to building the park. Commission a design competition for the New Goodison and Start developing the stadium in phases.
How would this help the club? Well, for one they would get a Stadium which is fit for purpose for nothing. They would make their profit from all home games. The stadium would make profit from non-football related activities.
The stadium employees, that is the ones responsible for marketing/managing the stadium and its potential use outside of football would be chosen by the Shareholders. There would be a vote from Candidates wishing to take on the position and they would be selected based on their track record and expertise for stadium management. The design of the stadium would be voted for by the shareholders, the shareholders would vote for everything. 1 share = 1 vote. It would be run by the fans (shareholders) with the club's best interests at heart.
Now this is a thought. The redevelopment option has been used as the example because it?s the most cost effective in that you wouldn?t have to spend all the £150M (providing you got 100,000 investors) at once and at only £1500 per share it gives EFC fans an affordable opportunity to break new ground. To be innovators of the modern football set up. Our Club were the original innovators in the early days. Why can?t we (supporters) be the same today? Then we truly would be ?The Peoples Club?
It?s been done by someone wanting to buy a team not so long ago so the model works. Why won?t it work for a stadium to?
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1 Posted 15/08/2008 at 07:44:02
then again i am already spending this amount if not more on EFC and not much comes from the cash. The proposal would have to be run by someone not looking to line there on pocket. no dodgy wyness running the show.
2 Posted 15/08/2008 at 08:15:13
I would only put in after I seen the final proposed stadium. There is no way I’d want to put money in for a stadium that was voted for just because some idiot from the Echo picked the one that was coloured in best and used that as one to feature, misleading loads to vote for that one.
3 Posted 15/08/2008 at 08:48:45
Ryan, there?s more than 100,000 of us out there. Ok, not all of us would have the means or desire to buy a share but have you ever been offered the opportunity to do something ground breaking with football before? I certainly haven?t.
I?m like everyone else. I come on here moaning about this and that and how the clubs being run. We haven?t got the funds for anything. Well here?s an Idea. It?s raw I?ll grant you that but christ at least it?s an idea. If we truely want to help the club, shouldn?t we explore the possiblility?
4 Posted 15/08/2008 at 08:57:37
I do agree with Ryan though that we’d struggle to find 100,000 fans willing to dig that deep to help the club. Maybe reviewing the 1 share per person would help as there’s bound to be blue’s with the capacity to invest more than £1,500.
5 Posted 15/08/2008 at 09:20:31
I agree, like I said above its a raw idea at the moment. There are many plus points to this idea than actually buying the club. I would agree that the 100,000 1 share option is a bit far fetched but I needed a start point. However there would need to be a limit on shares bought to prevent a problem like the club currently has with it’s shareholders now.
6 Posted 15/08/2008 at 09:02:49
7 Posted 15/08/2008 at 09:42:25
How a about if this went ahead that we called it "Goodison The Peoples Stadium"
8 Posted 15/08/2008 at 09:40:38
I agree it’s a fair bit of money to stump up but as some of the guys have said we probably give more to EFC on an annual basis anyway.
In order to get the 100,000 investors you could drop the cost to £1,000 per share and this would raise £100m and should be more than enough to redevelop.
As John Hughes said in his article this would not only be very positive way to support our beloved blues but it would give us great press exposure, re-establish us a ground breakers and innovators and wouldn’t point the finger at anyone.
We really would be really put us and the brand of the Peoples Club out there.
Count me in!
9 Posted 15/08/2008 at 09:53:54
If you took this idea to a TV production company I can imagine Channel 4 with that bloke from Grand Designs doing a whole spiel about an idea like this- would steal the thunder from some other clubs with grand stadium projects.
Would make a change to see the club doing something brave, interesting and in harmony with the fans rather than the current regime?s cloak and dagger stuff.
10 Posted 15/08/2008 at 10:22:12
11 Posted 15/08/2008 at 10:38:14
12 Posted 15/08/2008 at 10:45:10
13 Posted 15/08/2008 at 10:50:57
Rumour has it he?s going on ?Dragon Den?
to raise some cash.
14 Posted 15/08/2008 at 10:51:08
but id support it 100%
15 Posted 15/08/2008 at 10:59:51
Duncan Ballantyne - So Mr Kenwright ,what is your projection in year 1.
Kenwright - Er don’t ask me i’m just the chairman.
Duncan - Kenwright your an idiot , i’m out.
16 Posted 15/08/2008 at 11:14:48
17 Posted 15/08/2008 at 11:02:03
18 Posted 15/08/2008 at 11:31:16
One way to make it very feasible is to make it possible to buy more than one share (but not so many as to have a majority holding). E.g. Up to 25,000 shares per fan would mean those that can afford 5 grand can back the club more as they are willing and able to, but also mean blues will more cash e.g. millionaires but not billionaires can financially back the club, but not lose their shirt, whilst getting something in return.
To make it safe and secure, an account can be set up with a solicitor and held in a trust account pending the target funding being reached. If we ended up failing to raise the target capital by a specified date e.g. by end of season e.g. May 08/09 (which I doubt we would, as I think we have plenty of fans who would love to support the club in this way :-) ) then supporters can be refunded the amount invested, so we/they do not lose out if it fails.
Count me in!
COYB, lets put our money where our mouth is and make sure Everton remain the pride of merseyside for generations to come, doing the legends (past, present and future) of Dean, Lawton, Hickson, Labone, Kendall, Harvey, Ball, Young the justice they and we deserve!
Nil Satis Nisi Optimum.
19 Posted 15/08/2008 at 11:42:05
20 Posted 15/08/2008 at 12:37:49
Michael, I have investigated exactly what you said with regards to the solicitor holding the trust funds before and until a required amount is reached. Ebsfleet did the same thing with My football club initiative.
I have also done some research and found that rather it be a shareholding company it should be a membership society. This way anyone can become a member. There will be no limit on member numbers unlike a shareholding company where any increase in shares would mean dilutiing of the value of existing shares and we would not be disqualifying the "new" members, that is our younger fans who as they grow older could also be interested in membership and also people who would just be interested in it. (They are out there too) Also depending on the number of members the actually membership price could be reduced therefore making it more affordable to a wider range of people???
Tom - I agree with you on that mate. haha!!
21 Posted 15/08/2008 at 12:53:21
Professionalism would be the key to this working with every idea and proposal being extremely well thought out and well presented and the help of people with expertise like Tom Hughes will be invaluable.
Let’s get this idea going. How can I help?
22 Posted 15/08/2008 at 13:03:07
A brilliant idea if only the leadership at Everton could think a little more laterally and creatively. They are stuck in a mind set of conventional business thinking that is not serving its customers us! Many Blues I am sure would be willing to stump up some cash to help ground redevelopment. If this could get off the ground we could harness the power of the internet to attract many small shareholders. For those doubters out there who think its all rhetoric, look up the company Goldcorp and see how they transformed their business practices.
The only problem John is getting someone at Everton to listen! So my question to all Toffeeweb posters is how we would market such an idea through the local, national, global media to make them listen.
23 Posted 15/08/2008 at 13:24:39
Has an element of something ’our’ board lack TOTALLY - imagination.
I’m in, deffo!
24 Posted 15/08/2008 at 13:20:25
25 Posted 15/08/2008 at 13:19:53
At a key point in our history, we need to seize this great idea (which is meaningless unless put into action) and start putting our money where our mouth is.
John, it is great that you’ve researched the solicitor held trust fund. We need to get it going straight away and help solve the stadium issue once and for all. Such a mechanism would not only be worthwhile for all the reasons mentioned, but would for me feel like a great weight is lifted off my shoulders at being able to have a small part in doing something worthwhile and crucial in such a vital area for the sustainability and growth of our great club, EVERTON FC.
Just let me know the account details....I’m keen that, straight off, support is up and running for this key Evertonian cause.
26 Posted 15/08/2008 at 13:45:09
Don’t worry about the club yet, we don’t need their permission to do this. When we have solid foundations we will go to the club and submit our proposals. We do need to act quick though. Also I am out for the next few hours only possible to log back on tonight after 7. If we are going to do this there needs to be a professional attitude towards it straight away. So before we start does anyone no how we can exchange e-mails without actually advertising them on here for the world and his spambot to see?
I will log back on tonight. For those interested maybe we can discuss meeting and finding a way forward.
Anyone else getting excited??
27 Posted 15/08/2008 at 13:47:56
If we could set up a direct debit scheme and have fans contribute 10 quid minimun up to say about 40 quid a week. every week for the next two years. I dont think thats fiancially too challenging for supporters, who are willing to pay 40 quid a week for matches. That would raise atleast over 1k for every fan that participated in the scheme. we should beable to garnered 100,000 fans, maybe more.
28 Posted 15/08/2008 at 14:00:49
A number of former players came out against Kirkby and in favour of redeveloping Goodison (Duncan Ferguson springs to mind). If someone like that got on board to champion the idea, it could have a strong chance of succeeding (provided Everton are willing to listen).
29 Posted 15/08/2008 at 14:22:20
30 Posted 15/08/2008 at 14:10:27
Don’t know whether this is true, but will be a stumbling block if it is. EFC could not then sell the ground for a nominal fee.
31 Posted 15/08/2008 at 14:36:26
That is the major issue. Even if Goodison is not specifically mortaged, the club will almost certainly have granted a debenture to its lenders to secure its borrowings. This would prevent the sale of Goodison without consent - which I am certain would not be forthcoming from the lenders.
This aspect need some serious legal thinking - any lawyers out there?
32 Posted 15/08/2008 at 14:46:57
I thought it was only valued at around 20 m which shouldn’t really stop such a good idea coming to fruition.
From acorns great oaks grow.
33 Posted 15/08/2008 at 14:58:38
34 Posted 15/08/2008 at 15:01:38
A good start would be headline news on Toffeeweb.
35 Posted 15/08/2008 at 14:41:31
Re getting a figurehead, getting Everton onboard and any consent issues re ownership of Goodison: I don’t think those issues need to be addressed at this stage and all are potentially irrelevant anyway i.e. Once we have a ’Membership Society’ (which seems most appropriate as per John’s note) that has 150million quid at it’s disposal for the purpose of Everton’s new stadium surely that gives us the ear of all relevant parties and a much improved position to enable Everton to achieve a fitting stadium for the future of our great Club.
With that size of support and financial clout, apparent ’barriers’ become mere stepping stones in overcoming the hurdles/challenges to acheive the solution of a stadium and structure for the best interest of a successful EFC for generations to come. One that can live up to the motto NSNO and provide the innovative stadium solution so desperately needed.
36 Posted 15/08/2008 at 15:12:15
37 Posted 15/08/2008 at 13:47:41
Stockport County are trying to do something similar www.groundforapound.com. They are trying to raise 1 million to buy their ground and currently have £67 000 after 6 months
OK Stockport may only boast 5 - 10 000 fans that attend matches but that still represents 1/8 to 1/4 of Everton’s support.
Do the sums and in a similar situation Everton might raise £0.5 to £1 million a year?
38 Posted 15/08/2008 at 15:48:07
39 Posted 15/08/2008 at 16:34:24
I like this idea but would have to think it through to see if there are any pitfalls/hurdles, etc. In live in the States. How can I help at this point?
40 Posted 15/08/2008 at 16:48:30
Great idea. I think the following would be helpful:
1) Draw up a list of required professionals (e.g. solicitors, surveyors, financiers)
2) Canvas Everton supporters to find such individuals who can put time in on this project for free - as a hobby?
3) From any response "interview" (for want of a better word) the candidates to see who can offer the most.
Otherwise I have a feeling that professional fees could cost a large chunk of whatever is raised.
Just another idea....
41 Posted 15/08/2008 at 17:38:32
42 Posted 15/08/2008 at 17:58:51
43 Posted 15/08/2008 at 18:29:21
44 Posted 15/08/2008 at 18:36:36
The admin costs are minimal and such a method would enable us the structure to build the capital necessary to give real power in solving the stadium conundrum so key to the future development of EFC.
Let’s get the ball rolling, until we put our money where our mouth is this great idea is worthless.
There must be ways to publicise this initiative and I am sure once it is known about there will be EVERTONIANS far and wide willing to back this. I agree with Andy though, there has to be real financial commitment perhaps on the drip is feasible if the money target is time bounded e.g. Xamount by one year from now minimum investment of 1 grand, e.g. if paid on the drip it would be 80 odd quid a month, which equals a grand over 12 months. This way, fans that don’t have a grand in hand can still get a grand invested within the year.
PS. On a possibly flippant note: IF we raised over 100 mill within a year and the stadium was not viable for whatever reason we could perhaps have a vote on whether to return the investment to the evertonian investors or invest it in players! That way next summer we could get all the targets signed up in time for pre-season in readiness to bring the league title back to the grand old lady! (Goodison could at least be touched up with a lick of paint and maybe some nano technology used to make the pillars invisible and mean no restricted views!)
45 Posted 15/08/2008 at 18:46:09
46 Posted 15/08/2008 at 20:40:51
But why limit our selves to 1.5K per person, like some others that is a lot to me and though I could scrape it together it would be a struggle (especially if the wife found out ) ...there may be those who can do 3K or 15K for that matter, fine, with the proviso that you still only get ONE VOTE...after all you/we are doing it for the club not to gain power over the whole train set ego trip...eh Bill?
Desperate times call for desperate measures and as I have said before on here. Those in power mostly know what needs doing when times are bad but can’t justify/bring themselves to do it coz...it isn’t REALLY that bad ( is it?) and it WILL get better ( won’t it ?) then 3-6mths or whatever down the track end up doing what they turned down anyway.
The problem is, as always, the will, political or otherwise to do it.
The hour has cometh....where is the man???
47 Posted 15/08/2008 at 21:02:19
Don’t worry about the Club, when we walk into the make or break meeting and slap 100mill on the table, that will concentrate their minds wonderfully.
48 Posted 15/08/2008 at 22:04:25
49 Posted 15/08/2008 at 21:14:10
50 Posted 15/08/2008 at 23:29:39
I was thinking about what a number of people have said about a figurehead. We definitely need one and, if he could be persuaded to become that figurehead, I’ve a suggestion... Lord Granchester.
He’s the grandson of Sir John and in him we could place our trust. Big if I know, but we could ask him.
I also think we need to have a "board" "panel" "committee" whatever the name is, we would need one. Two people spring to mind, Tom Hughes and Trevor Skempton, these two men have, imo carried the torch of what could be achieved if we put our minds to it. I know I’m blabbering, but like so many others, I’ve hoped, felt, believed that there was another way. Destination Kirkby was a frightening scenario and maybe its woken us up. Until now, we mightn’t have been able to construct a practical aklternative.
Well John, I thinkl that now...we have. Lets have a go. NSNO
51 Posted 15/08/2008 at 23:50:46
Roman, your post is just what the doctor ordered, you hardly have a chance to go the match, yet your a Blue and willing to help. Absolutely what it is all about.
Trying not to get too carried away here but this is the most heartwarming and inspiring bloody thread I’ve seen all Summer.
52 Posted 16/08/2008 at 00:05:03
Money is obviously a very major consideration and thats why I’ve come on again. If it could be done, along with all the other hurdles we’d have to jump, would it be possible to allow everyone who loves Everton, a part in our future.
What I’m trying to say, is that some blues will be well able to contribute funds in the tens of thousands. At the other extreme there will be many thousands of blues who could only contribute "the widows mite" that I mentioned before. There are many others who would be able to contribute £1500 or so, but would have to do it over a period of time (say twelve months).
Can we accommodate every blue who wants to help?
Don’t know but bloody Nora, wouldn’t it be great to have a go.
Well done to all Blues who’ve shown thatnthey’ve got the enthusiasm to give this a go and to John, you might well have started the ball rolling which gives us all the chance to save our club.
53 Posted 16/08/2008 at 02:32:23
54 Posted 16/08/2008 at 02:14:25
John wrote ?All the same naming rights, Stadium sponsorship, usage etc would be as any other Stadium."
Here is a thought based on those words. I in no way want to dilute the positive comments so far. I am for John?s suggestion wholeheartedly.
Let?s say I personally can contribute $3,000 but I want to contribute more. I can?t because of my finances. EPL matches are viewed globally. My mate in Harlingen watches an EFC match and we see the advertising hoardings. None have relevance to where we reside. I approach a business here and say, ?I watch EFC when they are on TV. If you could contribute +/- $ amount to my pledge your business will be given an advertisement hoarding spot (size depending on the pledge) for twelve months.?
My mate and I now see advertising relevant to where we live for twelve months. It may be small but we see it. I approach the business again in ten month?s time. I ask them how the advertising went. They either say, ?It was no good? at which point I say, ?Thank you. I am sorry it did not work out better.? Or they say, ?It is working. We are gaining customers.? If they say this I counter, ?If you contribute the same this year you will keep your current advertisement spot. If you are willing to contribute more you will receive a larger advertisement hoarding.?
My suggestion would demand a separate ?Advertisement Holding? account within the framework be created but it could work.
A suggestion only. If we supporters were to own the ground would we not own the advertising rights as well?
55 Posted 16/08/2008 at 04:26:11
56 Posted 16/08/2008 at 06:22:52
57 Posted 16/08/2008 at 11:38:55
’Derek, If you read the above again it actually says that the share holders would vote for the stadium not someone from the Echo. 1 share = 1 vote.
Only just had a chance to read it now. My main point was that we could have 50 plus design entries for a new stadium. The best stadium would be a composite of a number of the entries.
I mentioned the Echo, because there will need to be a forum to publicly view each entry. The Echo in featuring these stadiums will only pick upon a handful of those entries and their criteria will be what one is ’coloured in the best’. Fans will be more likely to vote for the one that is the most professionally drawn, that does not mean it is the best stadium though.
Your second remark was that I wouldn’t be able to vote because I would like to see the winning vote first. How are you going to get the 100,000 fans to put money in when they don’t even know what their getting out of it?
58 Posted 16/08/2008 at 11:39:37
Although if i’m right it would seriously piss me of to think the cunts who own the club would make money out of this.
59 Posted 16/08/2008 at 15:18:24
We have been Evertonians for 30+ years and even dreamt of playing for the Blues during our early childhood. Anyhow, not all dreams come true, and I ventured into business spending the last 20 years in Stirling, 15 of which I have been in business.
I like the Derek Thomas idea of 1.5k per person, but donate more if you have it. Eg a share for 1) the dad 2) the lad 3) the wife would cost £4.5k.
I would like to comment about the payment mechansim side as I have been involved in this for over 10 years via the Internet. If you go down the route of memberships per month, then PAYAL offer this service so you can take a monthly payment off your "subcribers" (in this case EFC Stadium members) which can then be passed to the ESCROW trustee as mentioned earlier.
But, if we approach PAYPAL and offer to give their brand much publicity when the campaign takes off, they could waiver their small transaction charges. This keeps all the money in the pot.
I would also suggest for complete transparency, that each member who has parted with their hard earned cash to be given a login on a dedicated website where they can see ALL details of records of funds and where they are and where they have gone.
I will offer more comment after the match.
I can also donate to the cause the following websites www.evertononvideo.co.uk and www.thepeoplesclubonvideo.co.uk where fans can email me any of their video blogs off YouTube etc and I can post on to the site. I will have these websites live and ready to go by tomorrow. This will help on the media coverage side of things. So you can see what I mean, have a look at www.stirlingonvideo.co.uk
More to come. I’ve got my credit card ready to put in my bit.
Stirling Internet Ltd
University of Stirling Innovation Park
60 Posted 17/08/2008 at 22:29:20
I’ve put up a few videos for now from YouTube.com relating to EFC. Is this going to be an idea that goes nowhere, or have there been any developments. I’d like to hear from John Hughes.
61 Posted 18/08/2008 at 11:41:55
I?ve been looking into this over the last few days and I have been trying to dilute my thoughts into something readable. I?m bloody excited and scared too as this really seems to be a viable Idea.
Right, just brief information on how this can work. My suggestion is that we set up an IPS (Industrial & Provident Society)
A IPS basically has the following attributes
Community orientation ? intrinsically part of the framework of the Trust.
? External Regulation - the Financial Services Authority will not register rule changes that conflict with the requirement to operate for the benefit of the community.
? Robust Constitution - crucial rules such as the Objects, Powers and Application of Profits, may only be altered if there is a 75% majority in favour.
? Effective and versatile - experience has shown the model to be adaptable and powerful in varied circumstances.
? Not For Profit motive- Safeguards against ?carpet bagging?.
? Growing Supporters? Trusts movement ? offers additional ?political? weight and influence in the wider world of football.
? Community of Mutuals - offers opportunities for additional funding and partnerships with other co-operatives. Provides affinity with other organisations committed to benefiting the local community; and offers a reassurance to the supporters and the club of the community orientation and not-for-profit objectives of the Trust.
? Start-up Grant funding - Supporters Direct pay for legal costs and expenses subject to eligibility criteria.
? Limited liability for members - no need to put your financial security on the line; members are protected.
? Financially responsible - Effective in circumstances where significant sums of money have to be raised by public offer.
? Rather than have a ?shareholding? we have a ?membership?
? Memberships are renewable and there is no limitation on numbers
? Renewals would be at a lower cost then the ?initial? cost of membership. For example:
? Year 1 memberships = £1000 at £100 per month for 10 months.
? Year 2 Memberships = £500 at £50 per month for 10 months.
? Year 3+ memberships = £250 at £25 per month for 10 months.
? You can be a member for 1 year or for ever. The choice is yours. You would have still done your bit.
? All board members would be elected
? A dedicated website (with member log in) will allow you to vote for the most important decisions
? All information including payments will go through the website
? All members will have the opportunity to make decisions
? All membership money will be used to run the trust on a day to day basis and to obviously invest in the stadium. I calculate that about 8% of contributions will be needed to fund the day to day activities of the IPS company. This is admin and advertising and general up keep. Remember there is a lot of work to be done and no-one on the board should use this as a means to personal gain.
These will need to be advised but if they can be done as I have mentioned above but I have seen no reasons why it can?t be done as above.
I have contacted supporters direct today to find out what we have to do as they have helped Celtic and many others start this type of thing up. If any of you want to have a look at this then they can be found at http://www.supporters-direct.org/home.asp?country=engwal#
But is Everyone OK with the basics of this idea so far?
Michael, Lyndon, can I ask that you forward or provide me with the e-mail addresses of everyone who has expressed an interest in this please. I have added my e-mail address in the correct field on the form.
62 Posted 18/08/2008 at 12:45:11
I know what you meant but this wouldn’t be a decsion for the general public to make. If you became a member of the IPS then you would be given a secure log in to a dedicated website. This is were you would cast your vote. Only the members of the IPS would get a vote. If you did not buy a membership you wouln’t get a vote. Plus the idea that we "cherry pick" Idea’s would not be commercially viable to the design competition entrants. A winning design would have to incorporate criteria as decided by the members. The wining design would be a whole stadium (re)development.
Hope this clears this little bit up.
63 Posted 18/08/2008 at 13:00:08
I’ve sent you an e-mail.
64 Posted 18/08/2008 at 13:51:53
Anyone pally with a Celebrity Blue? I know we’ve not got many but those we have seem a cut above most hangers-on
It might be useful to contact some of these and approach them for figurehead support (or investment)
I’m thinking of the likes of Claire Sweeney, John Parrott and Ian Hart (Harry Potter etc) who was linked to the proposed Dixie Dean film
How about offering Paul McCartney the chance to name the stadium after his first wife or his dad? (c’mon Paul, just give us one year’s Yesterday royalties, we won’t tell anyone!)
65 Posted 18/08/2008 at 14:14:53
66 Posted 18/08/2008 at 14:26:39
67 Posted 18/08/2008 at 14:25:52
I think Kipper had a Celebrity list (some of whom were still alive!)
Amongst the regular posters on here we have company directors, Web, media, PR people etc; hopefully they and others will respond to any requests for unpaid advice
68 Posted 18/08/2008 at 15:57:48
69 Posted 18/08/2008 at 16:11:48
70 Posted 18/08/2008 at 16:19:13
Fuck..... hitting the ground that hard doesn?t half hurt. What was I thinking? How stupid of me to think Evertonians might want to actually do something rather than moaning all the fucking time... Ah well..... back to the medicine cupboard for me.
71 Posted 18/08/2008 at 16:36:23
72 Posted 18/08/2008 at 16:47:29
I’m with this idea, mainly because if Everton pressed ahead with Kirkby it spells the end.
Where can we find direct contact details for you.
Like many I would back it with money and various advice, but your recent detail which included the proposal for a rolling paying membership may not be the most practical (ie in terms of imediate fund-raising) nor perhaps is it the most attractive proposition to gain maximum backing. That said its impressive what you’ve done in a quick space of time so this is not criticism just opinion.
You’ll probably agree this now needs a business context for direct discussion before it becomes a bit disjointed. There’s alot to flesh out but the system you propose generally stacks up well. I have experience working in marketing within football, not within a club but independently, so hopefully would have something strong to offer.
What a response - lets all give this a crack..
PS well done to Tony Ianson, your response says alot about the idea’s potential for working.
Hopefully Michael or Lyndon will give you my email.
73 Posted 18/08/2008 at 17:38:00
The following is VERY relevant within the context of discussion here.
Your recent poll regading what next for the stadium plans.. are you considering putting it on a press release for the Echo / Post? Its vitally important that we also show to the off-line main fanbase and club board that there is a groundswell (scuse the pun) of opinion that directly contradicts the Yes vote mandate 12 months ago.
IE we as fans could and should call for a new mandate to be held regading Kirkby now that it is 12 months old and has been officially called in. Fans opinion has changed.
The Chairman has always said he would listen to the fans first. Lets make sure he is quoted on that once again and give him the facts, then press for a new mandate if he continues persuing Kirkby.
Alternatively BLUE Bill, save us all the bother and publically declare that the malconceived Kirkby scheme is a gonna!!
74 Posted 18/08/2008 at 17:55:06
My brain won?t stop thinking now.
Assume that the following is in place: Company/trust is set up. Dedicated website is set up. A few fans have registered their interest, but fewer have parted with cash.
Introduce testimonials to the website from the likes of ? Bob Latchford, Peter Reid, Duncan Ferguson, Greame Sharp, Howard Kendal, Mike Pejic !, Alan Stubbs, Andy Gray etc who made their money out of Everton.
And why would they do this? ? because they have each parted with £1,500 for a share each in the trust.
We could then get them on video recording their comments for the website and why they think it is a brilliant idea and why the fans should support it.
It would make the project SO believable to the fans as these faces are still idolised as legends.
This would definitely generate much media interest and exposure and have a real impact on the fans in terms of credibility of the project.
In fact, the first correspondence about the proposal should be sent out to every living ex Everton player and all current ones to part with £1,500 after all they are the ones making a killing out of the game.
100 ex players = £150,000 which would be a nice start.
What do you all think?
75 Posted 18/08/2008 at 18:08:52
Charlie, I dont’ particulary want to put my e-mail address in the public domian. However I have put it where it should go on the submission form so Michael or Lyndon should hopefully be able to pass it on to you.
Any help is much appreciated.
76 Posted 18/08/2008 at 22:31:02
77 Posted 18/08/2008 at 23:03:47
The current EFC corredors of power are Grasshoppers and us Fans are Ants.
What can we do?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cyrINW3-_-8&feature=related Watch out for famous "Ant" John Hughes.
78 Posted 19/08/2008 at 13:03:08
79 Posted 19/08/2008 at 20:52:42