Sure we've had an awful summer. We've all been here, but let's not moan about it. It's a bit depressing to just go on and on, it just makes the situation look worse.
Do you remember the Johnson era? Kenwright, in my eyes at least, is a bloody hero. I don't care that in comparison to billionaires he's broke. I don't care that Kirkby just fell through. I think he's got the best interests of the club in his heart. Things could be going a lot better, but I'm sure that's what Kenwright wants too. I don't see the point in slagging off the man, when he's just trying to oversee what is, in his mind, a transition era.
Fans say "Step down Bill". What a shocking plan. Who are you going to get to take his place?
"We don't want to move to Kirkby". Well there were no viable alternatives, and the biggest proof of that pudding was the fact that Everton thought Kirkby was the most viable option, and the Government (which calls in approx 0.01% of things, called it in). Blame who you want, but personally, I wouldn't blame Bill.
Since Kenwright, we've got a more financially stable club, a better manager, better players, new training ground, and we're consistently at the right end of the league and in Europe. We're aiming to build a new ground, aiming for new investment and looking up instead of down.
Until something solid comes along, as a fan, he's done wonders for this club and in my view, doesn't deserve the abuse he's receiving. In his role as chairman and "looking after" the club, he's doing a solid job.
Anyway, people obviously have different and opposite opinions, please give a reason as well as just saying step down or fuck off Kenwright.
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1 Posted 16/08/2008 at 06:38:37
2 Posted 16/08/2008 at 06:42:34
3 Posted 16/08/2008 at 07:31:12
4 Posted 16/08/2008 at 08:04:24
5 Posted 16/08/2008 at 08:07:22
I saw some interviews with fans on tv yesterday. Now allowing for edits and stuff, those fans came across as birdbrains, some denying any problems at all. Many evertonians are just plain thick - despite their protest of loyalty they are totally blind to what’s happening. Ignorance and blind faith won’t improve things at EFC
6 Posted 16/08/2008 at 08:09:08
7 Posted 16/08/2008 at 08:12:33
8 Posted 16/08/2008 at 08:25:11
what a time to come out and say "Black Bill" is doing wonders for our club.
THings are going pearshaped just the way they did under Johnson.
The only difference is we have a better manager.
Johnson was not half the liar of "watch this space" and "the cheque will be in the bank in the morning" bullshitter.
As for stability and good financial footing dont make me laugh.
9 Posted 16/08/2008 at 08:32:33
10 Posted 16/08/2008 at 08:59:11
11 Posted 16/08/2008 at 09:30:40
You say you’ve read the articles, you admit the club is in really bad shape and then you say ’dont blame bill’
Well maybe ’blame’ is too harsh a statement, so who would you hold accountable stuart?
Like it or not the buck stops with the man at the top, but i would like to hear who else you feel has had sufficient control of the club’s finances and direction to be responsible here.
With reasons of course...
12 Posted 16/08/2008 at 09:03:34
He is limited the same way most of us are, but if he had the cash he would give it. His relationship with his manager was an example to most of our competitors.
Something has been going on at board level this summer. The first splits between Kenwright and Moyes have appeared over the last 6 months - Moyes comments yesterday showed that he knows what is going on and isn’t happy the way some of the blame for lack of new players has been shifted on to him with some of Kenwrights recent comments. Kenwright/Moyes has been a massively important partnership for us so on the face of it this is worrying, however I detect frustration in the face of ambition from both of them. I get the impression Kenwright isn’t a particularly deep thinker and says some things that are emotional reactions rather than giving it a bit more thought. He shouldn’t have loaded pressure onto Moyes with some of his comments but if he wasn’t led by his heart he may well never have bought us in the first place and by god we were grateful when he did..
I think the money is clearly there. Last summer certain bridging loans seem to have been used to free up future earnings to buy players and those loans are not as freely available this year, so perhaps cash is available much later. Players of the calibre we want are far harder to get if you don’t want to throw cash at them so perhaps their clubs will run it to the brink to get the best deal for themselves - I would do that in their position. Most of our problems have pretty simple economic explanations.
Kenwright out? Yes when there is incoming investment.
Call for his head this afternoon if we lose? You really want to put us back to 2000? Remember those months of hopelessness when Johnson was absent for months and the club freewheeled?? I do and it made this summer feel like a tea party.
13 Posted 16/08/2008 at 09:44:45
14 Posted 16/08/2008 at 10:07:31
15 Posted 16/08/2008 at 10:40:40
This summer has been extremely disappointing. If we do not get at least three new quality signings in before the deadline we will struggle this season - and worse if we hit a spate of injuries.
I am (was?) of course a supporter of Kirkby, and I believe that Bill bet a lot on it not being called in - particularly in terms of securing new investment into the club (and perhaps even a new owner). It remains my view that not securing Kirkby has left the club in a serious financial predicament, some of the consequences of which we are now seeing.
16 Posted 16/08/2008 at 11:02:03
17 Posted 16/08/2008 at 11:06:50
I can’t remember feeling so low on the morning of the first game. I should be champing at the bit, looking forward to seeing some exciting new signings alongside last season’s successful squad. We really could have made the Champions League except for some lousy luck with injuries to Cahill, Arteta & Vaughan. Instead of building on it, we’ve taken a few steps backwards.
18 Posted 16/08/2008 at 10:55:13
These great thinkers offer no name regarding who they think will come in and work miracles.
It seems so like Kirby. So many No’s but absolutely no useful hint as to what the club should do regarding another site. Note, I said ’useful’.
The trouble with these forums is that they seem to be populated with people with absolutely no ideas as to the workings of Everton F.C. or any other large Premiership club.
Its so easy to criticise but when its based largely on surmise, it is particularly irriitating to those of us who would really like accurate information based on known facts.
Today I read an article based on a statement by David Moyes. It appears to reassure us that he has no immediate intention to leave, rather that he is determined to do everything he can for the players sake; not so much for the supporters who, based on the comments we get on this and other forums, hinder rather than help any progression for the club.
Now, I think I will just wait to see how things pan out, starting with todays game.
19 Posted 16/08/2008 at 11:09:27
20 Posted 16/08/2008 at 11:18:26
21 Posted 16/08/2008 at 11:12:37
22 Posted 16/08/2008 at 11:23:33
23 Posted 16/08/2008 at 11:44:13
’Financially sound?’ The old addage about ’If you have nothing sensible to say, say nothing at all’ is the best response to that.
It is morons like you who accept this and will contribute to our demise.
Must go. I have to watch Everton reserves in 3 hours time. Not that the club being in such a financial mess that we’ve been unable to borrow a penny from a recognised financial institution for the past 12 months has played any part in that of course.
24 Posted 16/08/2008 at 11:50:15
25 Posted 16/08/2008 at 12:09:49
The alternatives for DK should surely have come from Everton FC themselves, when a multi million pound company admits in the public domain that it has no plan B or C then thats a pretty damning indictment of the kudos at the top.
Again the finding of new investors again a semantic lip service, the phrase looking for investment 24/7 does not read the same as looking for a buyer 24/7 as it doesn’t mean that. Again I point you to the planning application for DK which categorically stated that not one of the board members were willing to sell or dilute their shareholding which solidifies the semantic looking for investment rather than buyers. At that point ask yourself rationally who would invest millions and millions of pounds into anything whatsoever for a zero return? The reason maybe it hasn’t happened is just that very thing, investment isn’t a sale and the terms must be pretty unattractive as even minnows in English football have seen buyers clamouring to buy into them.
But you think these boards are awash with simple plebs with no business knowledge or acumen. I’d be pretty surprised if anyone on this board had knowledge of running an EPL side as surely they would be doing that job. The people who do post are from an extremely broad spectrum and all walks of life including quite successful business people.
We have no alternative to watch and see how today’s match pans out but £500 for a season ticket to watch Everton Reserves is a fucking cheek.
26 Posted 16/08/2008 at 12:41:17
27 Posted 16/08/2008 at 13:17:51
His "loyalty is to the players" he is in direct opposition to the club’s statement the "there has been money available all along" and he gives "there aren?t many clubs looking to sell players at the moment" as a key reason why we haven’t bought any.
So, Stuart, Tim and your fellow ostriches, why the hell have we sold our own players if Captain Bill is sailing such a happy ship?
28 Posted 16/08/2008 at 16:38:23
1. Banks are unwilling to lend, not even to each other.
2. Existing debts are going to be a problem too if / when this thing worsens. Come this time next year, many people could have a lot more to worry about than lack of signings.
29 Posted 16/08/2008 at 17:09:09
"I for one can?t wait for the blues to get off to a good start against Blackburn who history report have arguably one of worst starting records in the PL"
Look out for ’Gypsy’ Nathan’s next piece, "United, Chelsea and Arsenal for the drop - DEFFO!"
30 Posted 16/08/2008 at 17:08:09
If you want to challenge the sky 4 you need belief, a good manager and a squad sufficient in size and capability to challenge plus enough fans that believe! We have been let down on the squad, this is purely down to the management. Bill deliver or move on, regardless of whether their is a white knight to deliver you need to make sure we have a squad sufficiently large to compete, this is a given ! Struggling on the first day is bad management ! Football is no different from what the rest of us do ....get it sorted !
31 Posted 16/08/2008 at 17:39:21
32 Posted 16/08/2008 at 20:51:02
I believe Kenwright is a fraud and I’d much rather we had a billionaire owner, but all I was doing was putting into context the lack of spending by Everton.
33 Posted 16/08/2008 at 22:30:02
34 Posted 19/08/2008 at 11:29:02
I don't know if the Board's intentions are honourable. I hope they are and time will tell. I guess by the end of the window we will all know. All I do know with any certainty is that nothing's happened up to now because of DK DK DK DK DK.
So I'm going to stop looking on the web and in the papers for the latest transfer speculation. I ain't took my eyes off THIS SPACE and to be honest Im beginning to think I could do fucking better things with my time.