I have banged on for years now about the lack of leadership and know-how from DM and all I ever get back is "Marsh is a Kopite", "Marsh is a Knobhead,", "Negative fans like you we don't want" ... blah blah fucking blah. Well, after today, what now???
WTF is going on at Everton these days when a so called Messiah can't be arsed to sign any new players in to a squad that limped across the finishing line last season?? Are we all fucking daft or something? Why has this so-called saviour been fucking about with his contract all this time? If this the best a God like Moyes has to offer the wonderful Evertonian fans then fuck it. Dundee awaits...
This season is already over after today's result and I don't give a shit if anyone thinks that's negative because it's true. It is there for all to see if you look hard enough. Shit dour unattractive football played to the request of a manger who knows nothing more than how to wing-and-a-prayer it. If we don't get lucky, we don't win, and that's the Moyes way.
No big characters wanted in the Moyes dressing room. No Big Duncs or Rooneys required just little short-arse players who won't say Boo to a Goose who DM can bully and scould when he sees fit.
When David Moyes got us in to touching distance of the Holy Grail with a fourth-place finish a few years back with Walter Smith's side, he fucked up bigtime by dithering in the summer. Cue the summer of 2008 and no lessons have been learned. The trouble is loads of our lot will lap this shit up and won't have a bad word said about Moyes or BK... FFS WHY?
All summer as the club went in to meltdown and started roting like a Leper's foot, all I read on here from some of our followers was, "It's a disgrace the socks on the new kit are just plain white," or "My new kit hasn't arrived yet and I am taking the kids to Majorca next week." Who gives a fuck? Get a fucking grip will you. Kenwright and Moyes are killing this club and I jus't cant take any more of this tolerant understanding.
Either there is money or there isn't money ? bottom line. If there is no dosh, then the man many of you claim to be irreplaceable should come out and say so and tell BK where to go. If there is cash available then Moyes is a Grade A tosser for allowing us to get in to this position. 16-year-old kids and midgets is all the Messiah has to offer. It's Total Bollocks.
A long hard season awaits and still many of you will blindly follow this clown Moyes and the puppet-master Kenwright but you do so at the detriment of the club. Tonight, Moyes and Kenwright should be legging it out of Goodison Park as the hoards tear down the main stand brick by brick, but you know what: it won't happen because we are Evertonians and we know how to take it in the Jackzi with the best of em...
Nil Satis... don't make me fucking laugh ... Moyes and Kenwright out! Well something's got to give and at this rate the fans will be first to go.
Please, is there no-one out there to save us from this nightmare? I would even take Taxi For Frank Sinatra from Man City right now....
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1 Posted 16/08/2008 at 19:19:31
2 Posted 16/08/2008 at 19:19:22
Neville Yobo Jagielka Lescott
Arteta Osman Rodwell Baines
We should have played two up front. We had too many square pegs in round holes.
Asfor signings ... Moyes does dither. We could have signed Malbranque or Gilberto. Don’t we need a bigger squad?
I think Tony makes some good points but saying Moyes took us to 4th with Walter Smith’s team is complete bollocks.
It seems to me that Moyes is unhappy with the Kirkby call in. he always supported the move.He has wanted the move and the potential investment. We’ll remain also rans and thanks to KEIOC whingeing about a boundary we’ll probably end up as tenant’s in the new Liverpool ground.
I don’t think Moyes will sign a new contract and will leave at the end of the season.
3 Posted 16/08/2008 at 19:19:34
I realise a good start is important and hope that we can be better in the next few games. I hope that we can sign some good players. And finally I hope that Tony Marsh can find his own hope - he seems to have mislaid it along the way.
4 Posted 16/08/2008 at 19:27:37
I’ve followed your comments and the ridicule they have engendered over the years. You are a passionate man and an honest follower of the Blues. You have done all you can to warn of the impending doom at Goodison. I know because I have felt exactly the same. And, there comes a time when you have to let it go - I have.
Part of me still wants the Blues to win everything but looking at the mess they are in now, I can’t see how they will get out of it. And I don’t care that much anymore. Other things deserve more of my time and effort. Maybe, this is something you have to consider. You can’t be this angry and disappointed all the time. All the best.
5 Posted 16/08/2008 at 19:27:12
As with most other seasons I am sure Moyes and the team will make you eat your words and shut your fat trap before too long and let the rest of us genuine fans get on with the job of getting behind the boys.
6 Posted 16/08/2008 at 19:38:38
best make sure your membership for the Carra bar is up to date and you booked Rome for end of season. You are one of those people who would moan if you won the lottery cos a previous winner won more than you... Sometimes wonder with some of the lame brain parttime fans on here...
7 Posted 16/08/2008 at 19:19:54
What I do agree with is that we need players. Enough on this has been written over the summer, so I am possible reiterating much of what has been said already. Yes, we need strength and steel in midfield. Yes we need some width. Yes we need some pace, preferable in attack. Even if we get the first 11 (minus Carsley) from last year fit and available we have no depth. We have no variation. The premier league is a dynamic place. As much as the obvious need for bodies we will not evolve by signing three players to plug gaps. We need options and the potential to do the unexpected. Smart opposition managers will know what is coming when the play us this season. Tony is right to mention the standard of football we played today, and this reinforced my point about the need to provide extra options. Without evolution and fresh impetus our standard of football will not improve. I don?t think I would like to be the manager of our club at the moment!
8 Posted 16/08/2008 at 19:37:45
Osman, Graveson,Ferguson, to name a few.Nearly a full side I would say.
9 Posted 16/08/2008 at 19:44:47
Were a laughing stock
Ha and skysports predict us to finish in 6th place
not a hope unless we sign 5 players
ie- Michael Johnson.Stephen Ireland,Tiago,Alan Smith,And a half decent striker
10 Posted 16/08/2008 at 19:46:31
What I’m amazed at, (and Ian Edwards hit the nail on the head) is what was the team all about?
Surely the side in pre season has not been the one put out today--bizarre.
I would say Tony that lets wait for the transfer deadline.
11 Posted 16/08/2008 at 19:40:37
I think on balance he has been very good news for us BUT I do think that his transfer dealings for us have been far more mixed over his time with us than the gloss put on by many. He’s certainly dithered this summer & on todays showing Baines ( £6 mil’ ? ) may soon be added to the Beattie, VDM, Kroldrup list
Also his man managment skills at times have been questionable. The MOST WORRYING thing for me today was the information that Vaughn is not injured but that Moyes is cold shouldering him.
He needs to learn from past mistakes that this in NOT the way in modern football.
I can understand his frustrations but he needs to see the wider picture as things already look pretty desperate.
NO DOUBT we should have offered Carsley whatever he wanted ( we did it for Pip & he’s crap ! ) you can already see how our defense miss him and Birmingham are now keeping clean sheets.
12 Posted 16/08/2008 at 19:53:53
13 Posted 16/08/2008 at 19:53:53
14 Posted 16/08/2008 at 19:46:22
15 Posted 16/08/2008 at 20:09:14
16 Posted 16/08/2008 at 19:42:42
Like many supporters at the match today I bought my season ticket prior to the deadline set by the club in April. That is almost 4 months ago. I paid up front because foolishly i believed it would give us the time to purchase new players.
But it looks increasingly like our season ticket money added to the money recieved for Johnson and McFadden are being used to buy Blue Bill breathing space to keep the club liquid.
Is Blue Bill gonna ask us to buy 2009/10 season tickets as Christmas presents to keep him going for another season.?
Everton have been in far worse situations on the pitch, but there is a nagging doubt running throughout most of the fanbase that something really really terrible is about to happen to our club.
The whole lead up to today?s game was wrong , Moyes says next to nothing for the whole of the summer and on the eve of the match spouts off about what is wrong with the squad regarding lack of numbers.
These utterances albeit truthful were far from helpful in setting the tone for the players and fans prior to today?s game.
Mr. Moyes should also decide sooner rather than later if he wants to sign a new contrract or not.
His loyalty should not be given solely to the players it should be to the Football Club as a whole. The Club do after all pay his wages.
If a manager cannot commit to the cause then how can we ask players and fans to do the same?
17 Posted 16/08/2008 at 20:17:26
18 Posted 16/08/2008 at 19:21:23
What self-respecting manager would allow himself to be associated with such lying propoganda as is put out by the self-styled "People's Club"? That is unless the pain of deception was tempered by the promise of £3M a year? OK, Davey took us to fifth place and compared to Walter Smith he`s a bloody genius. But so bloody what? He`s taken `The Queen`s Shilling` and is more than happy to go along with all the lies and misinformation that his boss puts out.
He admits he`s had money to spend all summer but is such a ditherer that when he got back from his money-earner in Europe, he`d missed the boat with ALL his so-called targets. Now I know the man`s a hero to most Evertonians but isn`t it about time that some of the faithful wised up and recognised that ANYBODY who would allow the team strength to be dissipated to it`s present level would have done one before now in disgust?
That`s unless, of course, you are holding out for a bumper rise who no bugger else would pay you!
19 Posted 16/08/2008 at 19:29:26
20 Posted 16/08/2008 at 20:20:51
21 Posted 16/08/2008 at 17:52:59
22 Posted 16/08/2008 at 21:00:09
23 Posted 16/08/2008 at 20:50:04
The fact is, we are lumbered with this situation and the Board is culpable. However, there appears little the fans can do about it - unless we take drastic action such as protesting and forming a supporters trust to try and take over the club.Until that juncture, I think there is little point in being vitriolic against the Manager. We all suspect that there is very little money available to sign quality players. Analysing the clubs finances has left many supporters aware of the sad truth that the club is dependent on borrowing to finance the larger transfers and with the Credit Crunch lines of credit are probably hard to come by. It is at these times that the clubs owners need to put their own cash in (as at other clubs) and clearly this is where we have come unstuck.
As for suggesting it was Wally’s players who got us a Champions League please do not make me laugh. If it was squarely down to the players why on earth did they not do the business the season before.I am down in the dumps but I had a sense of foreboding for some time. That does not mean I will stop supporting the side on the pitch. The resources we have are pitiful but we must get behind the team. Seeking the manager’s head is totally moronic as the fundamental problems at the club will never be resolved unless the Owners get their arses in gear. If Moyes fails to produce the goods when he has been given the backing then we have every right to turn on him.
24 Posted 16/08/2008 at 21:23:54
25 Posted 16/08/2008 at 21:30:58
26 Posted 16/08/2008 at 21:26:59
27 Posted 16/08/2008 at 22:22:53
I see us doing rather poorly for the next 7 games. At that point, we will be #13 in the league table.
Perhaps 2 names coming in, one from lower leagues and one on loan.
At that time, Moyes will be approached by Newcastle, after their sacking of Keegan. Moyes will resign and move to New Castle.
I don’t know why but this feeling is so strong in my mind.
28 Posted 16/08/2008 at 22:15:25
STOP CIRCULATING THIS BULLSHIT QUICKLY!!!!!!!!!!
Stan’the wife beater’ Collymore made a nothing comment on Talksport today and said, " Alex Ferguson is in the crowd today, maybe his money would be better spent on Yakubu or Santa Cruz rather than Berbatov".
29 Posted 17/08/2008 at 00:37:22
Ask yourself just what the hell has Moyes done this Summer ? .... I’ll tell you ...... he’s given Neville an embarrasing 4 year deal and apart from that he’s given the biggest waste of space on the planet the number 7 shirt ....... thats been it. Now h’s admitting its his fault, well if that isn’t gross incompetance I dont know what is !!!
We are unbelievably seven (yes 7) players down on last season Johnson, McFadden, Carsley, Graveson, Fernandez, Gardener and Wessels, the same squad that just limped over the finish line last season, we were short on numbers then so God help us now.
I see no way back, I dont know where points will come from, and I cant think why anybody would want to sign for us now.
Prepare yourselves for the worst.
30 Posted 17/08/2008 at 01:04:17
Moyes has always been a ditherer in the transfer market & Tony is quite right to point to the summer of ’05 which was a complete disaster - following our fanstastic 4th place achievement - that should been a lesson learned - seemingly not.
Our squad is threadbare & not all of the blame for this can be put at BK’s door - there’s undoubtedly been issues surrounding funding this summer - but we bid £5M for Ramsey in June, so there was at least some cash available at that stage - why no squad players Moyes????
Bosmans, low cost older players, loan deals???? He’s been playing fucking politics over his contract all summer IMO - that’s why - his insistence that he wanted players capable of raising our level to that of the Big 4 - completely admirable - however, he ignored the fact that aswell as a few headline signings - we desperately needed squad players, as we’ve ended up having to field untried (& largely unready) teenagers FFS! which makes his strategy look a tad flawed.
Players have been available - he’s just chosen not to sign them - he’s had his head up his arse all summer IMO - & we’re now seeing the consequences - it’s a fucking disgrace & he IS largely responsible - as budget not being available for players of the pedigree of Moutinho shouldn’t have stopped him signing players who could have provided much needed cover & done a job for us - for next to fuck all or even nowt.
He’s fucked up & he’s got 2 weeks to put it right.
31 Posted 17/08/2008 at 01:03:55
Moyes knows he need players, he has said it often enough. He will bring them in and we will again be boss this season. Anyone who says otherwise is a worser blue.
Have heart.... ok, he may make the move late but Moyes will make the move. Any doubters need to hark back to the Walter Smith approach of 10 defenders on a pitch at any one time.
Moyes will bring in the right players eg Arteta, Cahill and Lescott. Oh you forgot about them stalwarts did ya?
32 Posted 17/08/2008 at 01:21:01
Up at the final whistle and off to the pub to have a fuckin moan then back home to slag everybody off on everything from kipper to ToffeeWeb but no fucker said fuck all at the match. WHY? because we don't want to be seen as fucking Kopites.... well, maybe that's why them dirty fuckers are capable of winning something and we are shit.
Because we are the People's Club! A family club, a fucking also-ran that shouldn't expect anything else ? what a load of shit!!!
33 Posted 17/08/2008 at 01:30:05
34 Posted 17/08/2008 at 01:46:45
35 Posted 17/08/2008 at 01:49:50
I completely agree with his sentiments today. Is there any fucking money, or is there not any fucking money? Just fucking tell us so that we know who to throw the toys in the general direction of. Is this fiasco the fault of BK or DM? There is no excuse available for that threadbare squad of 13 year olds.
The performance today was horrific. Surely that was Lescott?s worst outing in an Everton shirt. Osman appears to have shrunk in size to about 3?9" so easily was he repeatedly pushed aside. And i?ve said it before but, although he wasn?t directly to blame for any of the goals, Tim Howard is a goalie who will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER bail the back four out when they fuck up.
It?s early, but the omens are all bad.
36 Posted 17/08/2008 at 02:07:12
Remember Alex Ferguson who was one bad result from the sack? If you want to blame anyone, blame the board. DM has done a fantastic job; anyone who knows what he's talking about will say the same. When weve signed a few players before the window shuts, we will see if the same people who post negative comments have anything to say then. Get behind the team and DM ? let's not go down the Newcastle route.
37 Posted 17/08/2008 at 01:45:39
38 Posted 17/08/2008 at 02:22:10
If he does then just sign the bloody contract !
Have to agree with the majority of the thread especially as Moyes has admitted to a feeling of letting the players down by not signing anybody.
I would normally blame our illustrious Board for this debacle but on this occasion it would appear to be Moyes’ fault.
39 Posted 17/08/2008 at 03:04:52
40 Posted 17/08/2008 at 03:06:13
I can?t help but think there is some form of conspiracy theory out there. We?ve worked so hard to solidify 5th, 6th places in the past few seasons. Why are we trying to wreck the foundations with such poor management? Even clubs like Hull have signed players like Geovanni and we have done nothing at all but sell our best players like Cars and AJ. Not signing anyone is ridiculous. Saying we are in only for world class players is ridiculous too. Can we afford them? Moyes and the board have to look at themselves in the mirror.
This is going to be a long season for us if we don??t do something soon.
41 Posted 17/08/2008 at 03:33:09
42 Posted 17/08/2008 at 03:46:44
43 Posted 17/08/2008 at 03:46:42
If there truly was transfer money there, or money for extra wages for Bosmans, it would have been spent. To me it's obvious, BK had been banking on the ground move to get approved, which would allow him to borrow more against the promise of future revenue (however spurious that is). The smoke and mirrors have run out for BK...
44 Posted 17/08/2008 at 05:54:32
We would be less angy, upset, & worried if we knew regarding the finicial troubles we have, if we knew what issues DM has to resolve before signing a new contract or the truth behind the new stadium. We are constantly told that we are "the Peoples Club" the trouble with that is the people know balls all!
My Plea to Bk is this, we thank you so much saving us from Johnson, and bringing in DM. BUT do the right thing and tell us the truth, let us know whats going on, if you have been using all the transfer money to pay off debts, then great stability! If we have to put up with youth for rest of season then fine as True Blues we will get behind the team. BUT please, please, please dont bullshit us. Dont get DM to take the flak, he will go and that is us finished.
The question i have for you is this, when you took over in 1999 you said you were looking for investors in the club, what on earth have you being doing for nearly 10 years, its time to stop asking you thesbian mates and start talking to business investors, & BK I no you dont understand the word "business" look the word up!!!
45 Posted 17/08/2008 at 01:24:20
I was working today until 4pm and went to my local to watch results unfold via BBC. At 4:50 I left with the Everton score at 2-2 and went next door to the bookies. Backed a loser but was informed that Everton had finished 2-2. Walked home through the rain (did you see the news) but thought, "Thank fuck I can at least watch match of the day safe in the knowledge that a depleted squad had salvaged a point..." Second game on; brilliant I thought, finish my beers and have a reasonably early night.
Well, what a fucking kick in the balls that was. Stuffed four minutes into injury time. Now, I wasn't at the game so am in no position to make any comment but will someone who was there tell me that it really wasn't as bad as it looked. The last time I felt as down as this, Mike Walker was in charge. The starting line-up today will struggle to beat any team in the Premier League.
I've been reading all of the posts on the site and I believe that I should apologize to Tony Marsh. Tony, you were right all along. Now I'm off to earn myself a hangover.
46 Posted 17/08/2008 at 06:54:09
The shite that has gone on this summr is totally unacceptable and someone has to be held accountable.
47 Posted 17/08/2008 at 07:27:23
This club is a joke ? agreed. And the biggest joke is the fans.
48 Posted 17/08/2008 at 07:51:48
I would say that the only blameless party in the growing fiasco that is now Everton Football Club is the fans.
The support for that excuse for a team yesterday was wholly undeserved by a grossly incompetent board of directors and our formerly great manager who must have been complicit in much of the inaction that has been our summer of non-preparation.
Don?t blame the fans mate. They just turn up regardless.
49 Posted 17/08/2008 at 07:58:43
We are all passionate about Everton, and want us to build on last year, but if all we get told is lies by the club and BK then we want to know the truth.
I agree that DM is one of the best things about the club, but he has not even signed squad players for this season, never mind superstar signings. You look at Geovanni going to Hull on a free etc why were we not picking up these type of players. Going for Ramasey when Arsenal & Man U were going for him was mad. We lost Johnson, Carsley, Fernandes, Wessels, Graversen & Gardner from our squad last season. I admit that most of these (exception Carsley & Fernandes) were worth getting rid of but we havn?t even replaced them never mind adding to our squad.
So this is why Us Evertonians are speculating and having the balls to question DM, because being fans gives us the right, acutally Wilson the best thing about EFC is not DM its the fans!!
50 Posted 17/08/2008 at 08:16:00
1. Get rid of Moyes? And replace with who? Would you move to take over as manager of Everton if you were any good?
2. BK must go. And who will replace him and the Board? Can?t see a queue.
3. Sign new players of quality. Yeah....that would be a great career move.
So my prediction is a mid-table finish and a season where TM and others tirelessly justify themslves and waste another season allocating blame with decimal point accuracy.
I would be the first to shout out alternatives to our stuation but apart from signing some mediocre players, the grim reality is I see no alternative to the current situation. Anyone have ideas?
51 Posted 17/08/2008 at 08:46:17
52 Posted 17/08/2008 at 08:36:16
What if the reason DM hasn?t signed is that the contract is acceptable but there is no guarantee that we as a club can honour it. If the banks have called in our credit (no Kirkby) we wouldn?t be able to buy players without collateral for their salaries and DM would stall on his contract. To me the only reason we would allow ourselves to get in this mess is because we?ve been borrowing off mates which is great when everyones flush but not so easy when things get tight. Is this also the reason Bully left, because his job was to get financial backing and BK?s mates have stopped taking his calls.
I sat in Moscow watching BBC text and getting SMS messages yesterday all through the game and was sick at 2-2 but thought, at least we didn?t get beaten. It?s going to be a long season.
If I?m right (God forbid), we will buy two or three cheap players to maintain our PL status and stave off the creditors another year because the people we owe money too cannot afford for us to drop too far, it will reduce their chances of getting anything back.
I just hope that I?m wrong and next week we have Mouthino, Johnson, Fernandes and a couple more.
53 Posted 17/08/2008 at 09:20:55
54 Posted 17/08/2008 at 08:57:03
What about Mendes, Geovanni (he went to HULL, BY CHOICE???) or Mailbranque? They were available to other clubs, so either we weren?t interested, had no cash or were too tight to pay the going rate, inflated or not. To be down to the bare bones at the start of the season is a fucking disgrace!
We need to beat West Brown and Stoke and get a least a point against Portsmouth and hope we get more players in by the end of the transfer window. I don?t care who?s to blame, I just want it sorted. It?s bloody embarrassing to say the least. I?ve got 6 bloody redshite living next to me and I?m dreading the rest of the season if it?s gonna be like this.
Maybe the way forward is the Barcelona way, were the club is part owned by the fans and so have a representative on the board. At least then we?ll know what?s going on.
55 Posted 17/08/2008 at 08:44:32
56 Posted 17/08/2008 at 09:43:31
From a wider perspective is it worth supporting this game anymore? It?s not what most of us bought into, fair enough we are not as bad as Chelsea, paying fat over the hill failed england players £151k a week or as bad as the redshite, they might as well turn anfield into a tapas bar.
It's sad when we measure progress on a load of overpaid arsholes turning up who haven't even heard of Everton but are quite happy to take £100k from the club every week.
Anyone been watching the Olympics?
57 Posted 17/08/2008 at 10:04:34
58 Posted 17/08/2008 at 10:24:19
You say, "with Walter Smith's team"... Below is the team for Moyes first match and beneath that the team for the last game of the 2004-05 season away at Bolton. Moyes team is no better is it? Prick.
Everton: Simonsen, Pistone, Weir, Stubbs, Unsworth (Blomqvist 75), Hibbert, Carsley, Gemmill, Gravesen, Radzinski (Moore 45), Ferguson.
Everton: Wright, Hibbert (Vaughan 80), Yobo, Weir, Watson, Carsley, McFadden, Cahill (Osman 59), Arteta (Stubbs 71), Kilbane, Ferguson
59 Posted 17/08/2008 at 10:47:36
60 Posted 17/08/2008 at 11:48:11
61 Posted 17/08/2008 at 12:43:14
Everton now have more youngsters coming through then any other team. It's gonna take awhile for them to develop.
62 Posted 17/08/2008 at 12:42:20
63 Posted 17/08/2008 at 13:25:40
Finally, take a look at the Sunday Times today. Total transfers in the Premier League in 2008 are a staggering £230m BELOW last season, and roughly on a par (adjusted for inflation) with 2004, when the Sky contract was signed.
Face it folks. We’re back to 2004. We’re skint thanks to our Board’s terrible mismanagement and are dependent on selling players to raise cash. So turning vitriolic on the manager is completely facile. Moyes can afford not to sign his contract and walk away because he can. He is a valuable commodity in today’s premier league. Someone in the same bracket as Martin O’Neil and Mark Hughes - who can produce top 8 sides from very little cash. If that is not good enough for Everton fans, fair enough, but without significant INVESTMENT from the club’s owners I fail to see how we will achieve anything better than what Moyes delivered. Our vitriol should be reserved for the Owners, who have blown the momentum gathered overed the last couple of seasons with truly appalling mismanagement.
64 Posted 17/08/2008 at 13:41:03
65 Posted 17/08/2008 at 14:24:09
66 Posted 17/08/2008 at 14:28:28
Steve,there HAS been a shortage of funds, the money has only been available since DK and AJ’s sale. Moyes has towed the "party line" , trying to keep a steady ship and trying to prevent any dressing room disharmony or alarm. Manny has stated that he wants to stay in Spain (who could blame him in this Summer wether?) and has apparently impressed the new coach at Valencia. Lets face it,we haven’t got a pot to piss in,but that’s not Moyes fault is it? All these prats coming on here and saying "Moyes must go" want to name a readily available replacement who will improve things.
67 Posted 17/08/2008 at 15:03:05
Tony makes some very good points but I do think he?s going over the top. I said last season let's see what happens when we get the likes of Cahill and Vaughan back last season and I?ll say the same this season. Give Moyes a chance to get a settled squad and see where he gets us.
I agree the club is unorganised to fuck and Moyes and Kenwright have really let us down so far, the positive is they have time to make it up to us and improve the squad. Hopefully we can do that and push on.
So no, not Moyes out after one game, thats a knee jerk reaction to be honest and it a load of bollocks. Let's see how the season pans out an what Moyes can do to improve us.
68 Posted 17/08/2008 at 15:21:21
If BK and DM both say there is money then they should be judged and held to account for what they say. Moyes has already publicly linked money for players with signing a new contract. Why having seemingly challenged the Board so publicly would he then feel compelled to tow the party line as you call it or even go so far to admit he has let the team down by his absence of signings? If DM is conspiring with BK with what are tantamount to fake and unrealstiaclly low offers for players as sheer pretence then that makes DM as culpable as anyone else running the club. BUT if there is money it doesn’t say muuch that unable to secure his first choices he had no plan B. It was his public contrition for leaving an already weak squad made even more so by failing to replace Carsley AJ and Manny (of course Manny is going to make overtures to Valencia when there no signs of Moyes coming back for him).
69 Posted 17/08/2008 at 16:01:33
70 Posted 17/08/2008 at 15:56:06
71 Posted 17/08/2008 at 16:10:16
72 Posted 17/08/2008 at 16:24:57
"Marsh is a Kopite", "Marsh is a Knobhead,", "Negative fans like you we don’t want"
Moyes is the best thing to happen to this club for decades, we are making it into the top 6 regularly now with little or no cash to spend. Shut up you mug!
73 Posted 17/08/2008 at 16:33:09
74 Posted 17/08/2008 at 17:15:01
Surely you can see how counter-productive it would have been for Moyes to come out ranting about not having any money? You only need to read his interviews in the Times etc. to see how thoroughly jacked off he is.I think it’s pretty big of the man to adopt a "the buck stops here" approach when it clearly shouldn’t. We all know it’s Kenwrights lack of cash and his ability to be economical with the truth that is to blame but, for Heavens sake, give Moyes a break. As for the "unrealistically low offers for players" I doubt if you have any more idea than I have about what has been offered.
Maybe Marsh should put himself forward for the managers job should it ever become vacant. He seems to have all the ’effin answers.
75 Posted 17/08/2008 at 16:58:00
76 Posted 17/08/2008 at 17:28:47
If David Moyes is aman of integrity, he should have resigned when he realised that HIS team was being broken,up with nothing coming in.
He is the manager of THE TEAM,not BK.
This must be the weakest squad in the blues history.
77 Posted 17/08/2008 at 18:44:16
78 Posted 17/08/2008 at 20:08:33
79 Posted 17/08/2008 at 20:02:58
Moyes was unrealistic in the transfer market, gradual improvement and consolidation would have been within reach if we?d have signed players like Diarra, Malbranque, Chimbonda and Diouf. Sunderland signed three of them FFS and dont tell me they wouldn?t improve our squad. Moyes is the architect of this... his man-management appears shit... refer to AJ, Rooney and Beattie, he plays dour football, he has a dour personality and no star quality to appeal to players. The sooner he goes the better and if that means going backwards to eventually move forwards then so be it.
And for all those screaming we couldn?t get anybody any better I?d have Redknapp any day over Moyes... he has actually won something and can operate intelligently in the transfer market.
80 Posted 17/08/2008 at 20:41:51
Complete and utter bollocks from you as usual. You can?t help but shoot from the hip can you!
First day of the season two season?s back you labelled Lescott as the new Krøldrup after 45 mins! I?m still laughing at that one.
You continually trot out the line that Moyes finished 4th with Walter Smith?s side as if this somehow detracts from the achievement. I would suggest that turning around Walter?s boys and inspiring a 4th place finish was a hell of an achievement!
You slag Moyes at every turn. I?m sure you nailed him for his team selection in the Anfield derby last season and when pushed suggested that he ought to have started Tommy Gravesen!!
Do you believe David Moyes has had a transfer kitty available all summer? Really? It?s pretty obvious that our summer spending has been pending dependent upon the Kirkby decision. I suspect he does now have a confirmed kitty and that he will make efforts to sign the players we need in the next few weeks.
Maybe you would prefer it if he bought any old shite just to pack the squad. Of course you could then slate him for signing shite couldn?t you!!
If you cannot see that David Moyes is the single best thing to happen to Everton in the last 12 years then you are blind.
81 Posted 17/08/2008 at 20:46:15
Yes, the situation at the moment looks grim, and as Moyes has said, there are a number of different reasons for that. But once we get Cahill, Pienaar, Vaughan and Anichebe back, plus a few new signings on top, I?ve no doubt we?ll be competing again. We aren?t going to go from being one of the stronger sides in the league to one of the weakest over night.
Thank heavens we do have Moyes running our football club, and not these armchair ?experts?.
82 Posted 17/08/2008 at 21:27:30
83 Posted 17/08/2008 at 21:40:01
84 Posted 17/08/2008 at 20:57:23
85 Posted 17/08/2008 at 21:19:10
When a club has no money and rumoured to be in financial difficulty other it is quite common for other clubs & agents etc etc to come looking and turning players heads... If Man U or Arsenal made an official enquiry for instance about any of the above players what do you think would be the outcome?
I believe BK has let Moyes with the money end of things and has made false promises which is why he has not signed the contract.
I also believe that Moyes should come clean and tell it like it is no matter how loyal he is to BK.
Over this last 6 weeks in particular Moyes has made some silly statements regards players such as the AJ going nowhere and then saying he wanted to go-that is a nonsense...
Even more silly are the latest comments from him regards "certain things must remain private" when trying to tell us why players have not been signed
He says that he was only looking for players that would improve Everton but now might have to lower his expectations!!
I mean look at Martin O'Neill?s handling of the whole GB saga he said one day the deadline has passed and Barry was going nowhere ? the next day Barry & his agent go marching into his office and tell him we still think this move will happen and Barry himself wants it to happen..so O?Neill gets on the blower to the papers and tells them exactly that!!
This is what DM should be doing ? he should not under ant circumstances feel he needs to cover for BK.
I am grateful to BK for signing Moyes, I won?t be when he will be ultimately responsible for making the man walk away.
Why did KW resign,why did Earl & Green cut a holiday short to come and see KW and apparently tell him to keep his mouth shut. Why did AJ (if true) want out of Everton?
These and other question will undoubtedly be high on the list of this EGM when it comes around, I would imagine Kenwright is not looking forward to that!!
86 Posted 17/08/2008 at 22:03:01
Good to exchange views without resorting to some of the infantile stuff on here.
I agree none of us know what the hell is going on behind the scenes. But if one or other BK or DM makes any public utterance it must have some purpose and simply cannot be ignored and interpreted selectively. I don?t buy into this Moysiah stuff and that he?s the best manager for donkeys years/ever. He has won precisely zilch. Kendall gave us success and whereas Royle may have given us dogs of war he also won the FA cup. But nor do I subscribe to the sack him immediately brigade. I just don?t accept he is not culpable in this opening season cock-up and not beyond crticism. I think it was right he got booed after the Spurs game that time - it showed that we aren’t prepared to tolerate and think he saw it as a salutory lesson. I think its time he and BK to get a long and loud raspberry again. Hopefully we get reinforcements and pretty damn quick else we will continue to struggle and badly if thats the best we put up against B/burn.
87 Posted 17/08/2008 at 22:31:29
88 Posted 17/08/2008 at 22:45:04
89 Posted 17/08/2008 at 23:00:29
90 Posted 18/08/2008 at 00:27:48
If you went to the corner store to buy some milk but didn?t have any money in your pocket, you would come home with no milk. There is no decision to be made - you don?t have the money.
?Dithering? Davey doesn?t have the money to buy any players, so there is no decision for him to dither on.
Get a grip, Tony.