Re: People?s Questions
I wonder whether you would take time out to please answer the following questions for the fans of our great club. I appreciate that it is highly unlikely that these questions (and answers to same) will be discussed during the impending EGM next week so I wonder whether you would consider these for ?any other business?? Or, to simply respond to many, many of us outside of that meeting who ponder these questions often forever hoping that you (and only you) will answer these honestly with integrity.
We have assumed the motto of the "People?s Club". With the many good things that the club does for the local and international community there is a huge gap of late of clear, honest and concise correspondence reaching the Supporters on the matters below. I believe only you can answer these questions and I would ask that you please do so to restore my faith in our Club and get me again to come to Goodison Park and to take up a seat which I gave up reluctantly last season due to my disillusionment with the way the Club was communicating with the fans and the seeming lack of any progress during the close season.
The questions are straight forward and should be able to be answered by you clearly and succinctly with honesty and integrity devoid of PR spin. Straight facts, straight talking are necessary to restore my faith in our club. I believe that answers to the following questions are in the public interest. The questions are in no particular order of priority or chronology.
Q1. Why did CEOs Trevor Birch (Summer 2004) and Keith Wyness (Summer 2008) resign from their roles at Everton FC without any reason given?
Q2. David Moyes quoted in the National Press and on the Official Website stated on 3 August 2008 that he hoped regarding his unsigned contract ?maybe we can try and get together in the next week or two and sort something out.? Why does it remain unsigned still on 30 August 2008 and do you have a contingency plan in place in case the Manager does not intend to sign this contract?
Q3. Have Everton now received additional payments from Manchester Utd (£6M so far? breakdown follows) as a result of the Rooney sale:-
- £1M as a result of Utd winning the Champions League;
- £500k for Utd winning the Premier League;
- £1.5M for Rooney extending his contract with Utd;
- £3M as Rooney is still with Man Utd (Everton will receive an extra £3M, paid in yearly £1M instalments starting on 1 August 2006, provided that Wayne Rooney remains a Manchester United player during that time.)
Q4. Have Everton now received the outstanding £500k from Perugia which represents the final instalment of the £3M transfer fee the Italians agreed to pay for Marco Materazzi in 1999?
Q5. The transfer fee for Andrew Johnson to Fulham was undisclosed. How much cash have Everton received up-front from Fulham and how much cash has been given to Crystal Palace as a result of this transfer?
Q6. On 1 July 2008, Ian Ross stated regarding Destination Kirkby and money available for transfers: "The Government's decision won't have any impact on the manager's transfer budget." Considering in the manager?s own words on 23 August 2008: ?I now have to look at bringing in five or six who would cost no money,? and, so far, he has brought in three (confirmed) for ?no money? then what on earth has happened to the transfer budget? Please clarify, with 48hrs of the transfer window remaining, does David Moyes have any budget to sign players for money? If so, has that money been available throughout the entire close season?
Q7. Why was Lee Carsley, after arguably his best ever season in a blue shirt, allowed to leave the Club before a suitable experienced replacement was found? Likewise, why was Andrew Johnson allowed to leave the Club before a suitable experienced replacement was found considering a lack of strength in depth and lack of numbers?
Q8. In June 2008 Keith Wyness stated ?We know the manager and his targets but a lot of things have to happen to get deals for the types of players we are looking for. Every day we are on the phone.? ? Why were these phone calls not successful in securing the services of one, just one, of David Moyes?s targets? It begs the question were these targets realistic in terms of cost, if so, surely there was an ?A? and a ?B? list if not also a ?C? list of targets to allow for the uncertainty of the market..?
Q9. Why does the Club continue to ?mud-sling? in the direction of Liverpool City Council and insist on hanging its dirty washing in public with regard to the Ground debate? Would it not be more fruitful to sit around the table on a regular basis, discussing every proposal there is out there, instead of placing all your eggs in one basket?
Q10. In light of David Moyes?s after-match comments today quote ?We are not in condition to win Premier League matches.? ? Where does this leave us in terms of a constructive plan for future team development? To us, the fans, this is very, very worrying indeed and we now need a statement of intent from you to address this problem and tell us just what is the plan for the coming months to get the team which was ?the best of the rest? at the end of the 2007-08 season back to a position where we can compete and be in a condition to win in the Premier League.
As stated above, honest answers to the above questions would go a long way to restoring my faith in Everton FC (the company). If they are ignored then simply I and probably many others will continue to be disillusioned and won?t know who or what to believe.
I, like you, live, breathe everything in terms of my thirst for knowledge of everything EFC. The lack of transfer activity dominated my thoughts on holiday and often determined my moods during the day. I am struggling to come to terms with this summer?s events. Please help in clearing up these matters and give me back my peace of mind!
If we have no money say so ? don?t make bids for players we seemingly cannot afford. Otherwise, please immediately dispel any rumours of bids or links with decent players if they are not true ? the sense of expectation and then resultant let-down is so deflating and we have endured enough sorry news this year.
Let?s draw a line under this summer?s events and let?s have a more open, honest People?s Club. If not, instead of the banner above the Park End Stand then you might as well replace it with a new slogan such as ?FOR SALE?, ?THE LOAN ARRANGERS? or even ?EFC ? Ever Failing to Capitalise?.
Mr. S Callaghan
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1 Posted 31/08/2008 at 02:30:00
It's beyond a game, it's what we believe in and live for...
2 Posted 31/08/2008 at 02:36:34
3 Posted 31/08/2008 at 03:23:49
I?d like to see you get some answers, but I suspect that this ? like so many others ? isn?t going to get anywhere.
No harm in trying though!
4 Posted 31/08/2008 at 04:08:57
Good article though and I look forward to the outcome of the EGM! Something has got to happen and soon. I suspect its all about the greedy Spurs fans, Green and Earl.
5 Posted 31/08/2008 at 04:45:13
What makes you think that the chairman of a private company should divulge private business matters?
6 Posted 31/08/2008 at 04:44:16
7 Posted 31/08/2008 at 06:01:16
8 Posted 31/08/2008 at 06:18:39
9 Posted 31/08/2008 at 06:32:14
10 Posted 31/08/2008 at 06:46:36
11 Posted 31/08/2008 at 07:16:07
12 Posted 31/08/2008 at 07:39:33
WATCH THIS SPACE!!!
13 Posted 31/08/2008 at 07:36:52
Another angry,ashamed and totally demoralised fan.
14 Posted 31/08/2008 at 07:50:31
After last season’s brilliant steps forward, ones we must thank Mssrs Kenwright & Moyes and the club for having engineered, this summer has opened a faucet of despair which has become contagious among the fans. After two seasons of challenging for honours, we are now all wondering if Everton can or will survive in the top echelon of English football. It is a question none of us even expected could be raised just a few months ago. We are eager for Mr Kenwright to allay our collective fears.
We are all willing to go to the wall for this great club. Please, just throw us a bone, preferably in the form of answers to the well-constructed queries above, by Mr Callaghan. We may not be shareholders or business partners in a traditional sense, but few businesses are as closely aligned with their customers as football is, and we are eager for answers. We are eager for hope during a period of great worry and concern.
15 Posted 31/08/2008 at 07:52:39
Question 1: If there’s something negative to say about Birch and Wyness, you don’t say it in public. That just professionism. If you want to attract staff in future, you don’t slag off former staff. Put yourself in the shoes of a possible future CEO: if the club was publically shaming the last guy, would you want the job? Probably not, because you’d be worried about having your reputation destroyed.
Look at every major business in the world - when somebody leaves, no matter what the reason (unless it’s criminal or something), they thank him for all his hard work. You never, ever, get details.
Question 2: How can the chairman talk about the possibility of Moyes leaving in public? And do you want Kenwright to say "I’ve spoken informally to Bilic about taking over if he leaves"?
Question 3: Not an entirely unreasonable question. However, it’s pretty rare for a business to disclose such detailed information about another specific business unless there’s a good reason too - indeed, it’s pretty unprofessional to give out information about another business (which that woukld be) unless theres a good reason (e.g. they paid very late, or the amount is vitial to our business).
Do we have any reason to suggest the richest club in the world didn’t pay? It’s not the sort of information that should be made public because you’d like to know.
When the accounts are released, they will show the total cash received in the year in respect of transfers. It won’t be broken down by transfer, but the total will be there. Do you need more information than that?
Question 4: This is a perfectly valid question, for the reasons explained in 3.
Question 5: We don’t want clubs to know how much money we have sitting in the bank. It would be stupid to annouce the specific details.
Also, it’s pretty unprofessional to say how much Fulham paid. If you want good relationships in future transfer negotiations, you shouldn’t say - that’s just good business sense.
Question 6: You want the board to announce how much money Moyes has to spend publically? Really? I mean, yeah, I’d like to know too. But surely you see how self defeating that is?
Question 7: The reason seems pretty obvious: Moyes didn’t expect Carsley to be first choice this season. Carsley wanted to play and be nearer to his family. Carsley couldn’t afford to wait, because otherwise Birmingham would bring somebody else in. So he left.
So what, you want Kenwright to release an official statement saying "Lee Carsley was no longer considered good enough for Everton going forward"?
Question 8: Once again, you can’t announce these kind of things in public without it affecting your negotiating position. Let’s say Everton announced in public that "We really want Moutinho - there’s no alternative that’s even nearly good enough - but M’Bia we’re aren’t really that bothered about. There’s loads of other players as good as him". Suddenly, Lisbon won’t negotiate on price and M’Bia doesn’t really want to come anymore. But you feel better about yourself.
Question 9: The first question where you want less information from Kenwright. If Kenwright said nothing in public at all, would you be happy? Or would you just have a different question 9, demanding to know what’s going on with the LCC?
"please immediately dispel any rumours of bids or links with decent players if they are not true"
But these rumours strengthan our negotiating position, whether they are true or not. Also, Moyes probably has players in mind that he would only buy at the right price - so we ask about availability for, let’s say, Topal, and get told £12m. Moyes thinks he’s worth £6m so we don’t go any further. Meanwhile, you are AWFULLY excited that Topal is coming, and ANGRY when he doesn’t arrive.
What do you want, a press release saying "He’s OK, but not that good"?
Basically, as has been pointed out by Michael on many occasions, people need to grow up. Don’t believe every rumour that you read.
We’d all love to know what’s going at Everton, but frankly, if they provided every piece of information that you want, we’d have no chance. Every player we buy would cost 10% more, at least. Every player we sell would be for 10% less, at least.
Is that what we want? People slag Kenwright off for not running the club as a businessman would. This may be true in some cases, but if you are also going to slag him off when he does run the club as a business, then frankly I don’t know what you expect from an investor.
16 Posted 31/08/2008 at 08:44:01
"It never done United or Chelsea any harm. So do us a favour and sell to the highest bidder."
Sorry, but that’s wrong. It HAS done United harm. Glazer takes money out of United that could otherwise be spent on players - about £60m a year in interest payments.
You don’t notice, because United still win things. United have such huge income (far, far bigger than any other club in the UK) that they can actually afford to lose that amount of money and still be the biggest club in England. But that doesn’t take away from the fact that they would be far, far better off without him.
So what you are actually saying is it didn’t do Chelsea any harm, which is true. All we need to do is find another billionaire who is willing to just give it all away with no hope of a return.
And that’s NOT the same thing as selling to the highest bidder. An investor will want a return - i.e. will want to take money out of the club.
The argument that ANYBODY is better than Kenwright is not just wrong, it’s downright dangerous.
17 Posted 31/08/2008 at 08:56:21
In an effort to help you get your response from Bill, would it be a good idea to have all the people who read it, print a copy off and pop it in the post to him via Goodison Park; surely at least it will get his attention.
18 Posted 31/08/2008 at 08:55:21
A common ground therefore, should be more likely - i.e. " we have no money " then tell us, we can then all get on with supporting what we have & expectations are not raised and, people will respond differently, yes we will ask why.
19 Posted 31/08/2008 at 09:09:07
1. Why was Neville given an embarrasing 4 year contract, when he’s clearly not up to it now ?
2. Why was the biggest waste of space in Evertons history given the coveted No 7 shirt instead of being shown the door ? ....... and how much money has he bled from the club during his stay ?
3. Why does the Manager continue to pursue foreigners we’ve never heard of when the likes of McCarthy, Bullard, Sidwell, Milner, Scharner, Gera, De La Cruz have been available ?
20 Posted 31/08/2008 at 08:40:14
Do Everton supporters and the board of directors deserve each other? The board should have made the ground move decision based on the majority shareholding, and eliminated the fractious and divisive supporter debate. By opening up the decision it will not go away, even after a season ticket holder vote. Did any other club ask their supporters about a ground move? some with just as illustrious a history as Everton (Highbury, Roker Park, Maine Road), of course not. The board did its job at those clubs, and I do not remember any great clamour from their supporters to stop their move.
That is why supporters should be left in the dark, if they knew everthing then the ’for and against’ arguments would spread to who the hell supplies the pies.
21 Posted 31/08/2008 at 09:45:03
I’m reminded of the American state (I forget which one) which, fed up with it’s politicians, allowed the public to vote on specific issues that were usually reserved for the politicians themselves - including the budget for the year.
The public almost unanamously voted to increase spending and reduce taxes.
Well, you would, wouldn’t you?
For some reason, it didn’t work in the long term.
22 Posted 31/08/2008 at 09:52:30
23 Posted 31/08/2008 at 09:52:30
24 Posted 31/08/2008 at 09:48:12
25 Posted 31/08/2008 at 09:37:12
What a brilliant world it would be if all told the truth without the need to cajole and that each of us accepted our own responsibilities and conducted our lives without predudice or spin. Sadly Steve the world is not like that. It is full of self-interested cronies who would rather deceive if it meant avoiding embarrasment. Pissing in the wind I’m affraid Steve, just pissing in the wind without any hope of a change in the weather.
26 Posted 31/08/2008 at 09:49:36
Any one of the following, right now, would result in a crisis: -
1. Manager walks or, worse, loses the dressing room.
2. Major stakeholders lose interest & sell.
3. Any prospect of success, bar FA Cup, removed before mid September.
4. Quality players become targets for other clubs ahead of January transfer window.
STRONG LEADERSHIP is now essential..........Is anyone listening?
27 Posted 31/08/2008 at 10:15:02
Doubt if we will ever get to the bottom of it.
28 Posted 31/08/2008 at 10:25:22
Lost all credibility for me, shallow springs to mind.
Cast your mind back and see how far we have come in just the last few years, and just in case you havn’t noticed, the current financial market is hurting the corporate world and maybee we are trying to box as clever as we can with what we do have.
29 Posted 31/08/2008 at 10:52:37
30 Posted 31/08/2008 at 10:39:17
31 Posted 31/08/2008 at 11:11:56
32 Posted 31/08/2008 at 11:05:15
By midnight tomorrow we will know if the board have been patient and sussessful in team building or as many fans seem to suspect there is much wrong at EFC. If the latter then our league position at the next opportunity to improve the team may reflect the lack of quality in depth that we have. Let?s give it 36 hours before we make final judgement on recent transfer activity, or lack of it.
33 Posted 31/08/2008 at 11:21:20
And why go on about Trevor Birch and Rooney? Its hardly relative to our current situation. We?ve made a number of big money signings since the Rooney deal so it comes across as muck-racking.
The article's all over the place.
Will you renew your season ticket if Bill writes back with answers that you like?
34 Posted 31/08/2008 at 11:13:43
35 Posted 31/08/2008 at 11:39:08
36 Posted 31/08/2008 at 11:33:19
I would simply say that for Q1 - having two CEOs leave a company in closed period is very worrying indeed and to never hear another word from an outgoing CEO not even a ?good luck Everton? is very odd indeed and promotes incessant rumour and conjecture.
Q2 - Just want Bill to say he is still working around the clock to secure the services of Moyes for the future and should Moyes not sign then we have a Plan B although we don?t have a great record with Plan Bs.
Q3 & Q5 - yes, need more information please because many fans believe we have £10milion - £15milion sitting in the bank and are wondering why it has not been spent - disclosure helps set realistic expectations.
Q6 - I want to know whether there is an actual budget for spending on new players, whether it has been there from the end of last season and why not one player has been purchased by the Club. This will help to dispel the views of many that any transfer money has been earmarked for the stadium public enquiry or loan ?call-in? by creditors. Yes, I appreciate that it would be counterproductive to announce how much we have ? but if there is a decent amount then serious questions need to be asked of Moyes also if this money has been available throughout the close season in terms of identifying realistic targets for the money available.
Q7 - With respect, I want Bill to respond on this as I am not really interested in your opinion ? fed up to the back teeth of opinions (no offence) ? let?s hear the facts and reasons why we are letting decent players leave without any replacement.
Q8 - Ian Ross is quick to come to the fore with public statements when it suits ? he should be engaged much more during close seasons to ensure the fans are kept up to speed with developments and reiterate that we have our targets and are actively pursuing them ? not name them ? and ensuring that the fans have realistic expectations.
Q9 - Simply get around the table and consider all available alternatives is what I?d like to see ? no more ?they?ve not done this, that etc? quotes ? let's act like adults instead of playground children.
Speaking of playground children, Everton?s bench is more like a crèche than a Premier League standard subs bench. Quite frankly this is not good enough and there has been a huge failure this summer. Let?s have some honest answers from the People?s Club.
37 Posted 31/08/2008 at 11:59:40
38 Posted 31/08/2008 at 11:54:44
39 Posted 31/08/2008 at 11:12:49
Football is no longer a sport, or at least it?s no longer a sport played on a level playing field. It?s now, and has been for some time, a game of monopoly played by wealthy men with the rules set down by SKY and UEFA.
Unfortunately for us, SKY and UEFA have their ?pets? and EFC are not one of them.
The inception of the so-called ?Champions? League (has there ever been a bigger misnomer for a tournament ?) coupled with the lucrative TV money on offer from SKY has unjustly swelled the riches of their ?pets? to such an extent that those clubs are able to attract managers which such credentials and insight that they realise their best chance of winning the premiership is via the medium of the cheque book.
For the managers (and chairmen) of those clubs not sponsored by UEFA, it will continue to be a battle against the odds (and the prejudices of ?the system?).
If there is any Evertonian who doesn?t realise this, I can only hope you?ll give it some thought next time you?re watching a match on SKY ? I sincerely hope it isn?t one of those ?Champions? league matches whether it be on SKY or any other channel.
The ?Champions? League : how did they come up with that title?
As far as I know at the end of our season, we only have one ?Champion?.
Why should England, and UEFA?s other favoured leagues, have multiple entrants?
Is there any fair and just reason why a team who haven?t won their own domestic title for nearly twenty years are afforded near certain perennial entrance to the goldmine?
Given the almighty financial advantage bestowed upon the UEFA-sponsored clubs, it begs the question :
Who actually achieves more ? the manager who finishes fourth out of the four UEFA-sponsored clubs or the manager who finishes fifth in the Premiership ?
Unless of course the club finishing fifth is one of those UEFA ?pets?.
OK, I admit it, I?ve gone off on a bit of a tangent here, and I feel that David Moyes may have to look at his team selections in a couple of positions but let?s not forget :
If we didn?t have David Moyes, who could we have that might do a better job in terms of a season-long battle against the UEFA ?pets? ? Who is there that might have done a better job for us during the period of his tenure? If we didn?t have Bill Kenwright,
the same questions apply.
It?s easy to whinge and moan. It?s no so easy to come up with answers.
40 Posted 31/08/2008 at 12:12:59
Dont expect him to attend the EGM this week, as he will use the grounds of ill health to ustify his absence...
41 Posted 31/08/2008 at 12:05:52
Q1: Yes, 2 leaving promotes conjecture. It does in any industry. However, the fact remains that the professional thing is not to say anything.
Advantage of disclosure: we know what’s going on.
Disadvantage: it severely decreases you chances of acquiring a quality CEO to replace him.
The existance of rumour is just something everyone has to live with.
Q2: He did say that he talks to Moyes about it often. You chose not to believe him.
Advantage of saying we have a plan B: you feel slightly better.
Disadvantage: it’s essentially a vote of no confidence in Moyes. It makes it look like Kenwright isn’t too bothered about Moyes staying. Moyes feels less wanted. Moyes would be pissed off and less likely to sign. Moyes looks like a lame duck to the players.
Come one, publically saying he has a backup would be crazy.
Q3 and Q5: The club releases their accounts every year. You could look at those, and see that the club breaks even each year, and conclude the club doesn’t have £40m to spend.
Or you could just expect it until Kenwright specifically gives you a figure.
Advantage: Yes, realistic expectations. You feel slightly better.
Disadvantage: You get told we have £15m, which is suddenly only worth £10m when other clubs find that out. We get lower quality players as a result.
Q6: You were told that there was money. You were told that the Johnson money was added to the kitty. You were told that the money is not earmarked for Kirkby. You appear to have chosen not to believe it.
The accounts show the amounts due to banks within the next year. Last year, this amount was £1.3m, the overdraft. No other amount was due. The loans are secured, and cannot be "called in" unless we miss interst payments.
Q7: You want the club to make a public statement that a player whose given 6 years wonderful service to the club wasn’t good enough for us anymore?
Just use a bit of common sense. Why do you think Carsley left?
What’s really happening here is it’s obvious that what the club did wrong is not get in a replacement in good time. Releasing Carsley wasn’t the mistake. You want somebody to come out and publically say that, so you know who to blame.
Q8: You’ve been told upteen times that we are looking for players. Again, you are chosing not to believe that.
Q9: There was a report the other week (reported on Toffeeweb) just after it was announced the Kirkby would be called in, that the council and Everton were going to have another meeting. Everton didn’t say anything in public.
Isn’t that EXACTLY what you are asking for?
42 Posted 31/08/2008 at 12:40:52
43 Posted 31/08/2008 at 12:36:49
I think its time for some reality checks because we are becoming part of the farce that is now Everton. Whilst I am totaly against what is going on at our club I can confess to booing yesterday because I like many others expect much more from my team.
I do hope that you don’t get any answers to your questions because if it was me I wouldn’t entertain them. Some things are best left unsaid as the answers can cause even more unrest.
It is obvious that arses need kicking but do you think BK is on a mission to ruin the club he loves. Lets show any potential investor that if they make a mistake we the fans will bully you, slag you off, question your integrity and make your life hell.
Well done my fellow Evertonians and I use the term loosely.
44 Posted 31/08/2008 at 12:24:06
Q1. why was Neville offered a 4 year contract? whats with the continued Neville bashing? fair enough as a midfielder Neville is found very wanting but he remains our best right back at the moment.His judgment and composure also leave a lot to be desired..and although the length of contract for a 30+ year old is out of character for Moyes it is clear that Neville offers a lot more behind the scenes, on the training ground and in the dressing room than he does on the pitch. maybe this was in Moyes thinking.
Q2. VDM’s ability on the pitch i dont think has ever been in question. the question marks are over his temperament and application. if we could get him fit and a run of 6 or so games we would definitely see the benefit of it and would be like a new signing. all wingers are confidence players but he has never had a run of games. something is keeping him at the club because we paid next to nothing anyway so why hasnt he been released because he must be nearly out of contract, we would lose nothing in releasing him.
Q3. does anyone really care about foreigners weve never heard of? who do you think we are - Liverpool? we dont need to spend £20m on big names just to hang onto man utd’s coat tails. At some point nobody had heard of Kaka. Henry was a nobody when arsenal picked him up and look at them, their policy is to pick up ’nobodys’ for small fees but do their fans complain?? Its what you do with them that counts - just look over the park. Did you complain when we picked up foreigners Cahill and Arteta for £3.5m? One thing is for certain and that is that Moyes has been severely let down by every person above him at EFC. Our negotiating tactics are nothing short of abysmal. whether its the boards inability to secure targets without penny pinching or the agents we employ to negotiate. Our board need to ask themselves serious questions as to whether they’ve served the club as they should because Moyes has more than done his job on the pitch but the board fail to match him off it by capitalising on our sustained progression in being the best of the rest.
45 Posted 31/08/2008 at 13:13:06
46 Posted 31/08/2008 at 13:28:57
47 Posted 31/08/2008 at 13:44:10
48 Posted 31/08/2008 at 14:40:35
We have no investment and will not get any unless we make the club more attrractive and that means moving 3 miles to kirkby.
Forget all the shite spouted about municipal boundaries and leaving the city to the reds. That hasonly been mentioned because they sing the city is all ours. Whatever happened to we dont care what the red shite say.?
Lets stay at Goodison and each season we will fall further behind the top four.
Or why dont we ground share.? We cant afford the money....and if we do go to a shared Anfield it will be as tenants sitting in their ground with red seats.
The only chance we had of taking the club to a higher level has been fucked over by supposed Everton fans.
All because of an invisible boundary line.
Well done lads. Good work.
49 Posted 31/08/2008 at 15:49:37
Kirkby is dead, get over it.
50 Posted 31/08/2008 at 16:11:29
You miss the bigger picture.
We are also rans
We will remain also rans as we have no investment.
The onkly chance of investment will be Kirkby and it is not dead. It will move forward after Novermber.
KBc want it
Everton FC want it
Tesco want it
Everton fans who care sensibly bout the future of the club want it.
51 Posted 31/08/2008 at 16:19:26
Let's hope fingers crossed we still have 24 hours to bring in quality midfielders.
52 Posted 31/08/2008 at 16:43:15
You should also note as you appear to have selectively forgotten that the GONW called in the application as it is in breach of the various planning regulations in situ and had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the stadium element of the proposal. Yes KEIOC campaigned but so did a large number of supporters and residents in Kirkby to the GONW, to say that any one of those in particular given the published reason for the call in are to blame is childish and plain ignorant. So please before we get another preaching of KEIOC or Everton supporters have killed the club I suggest you look closer to reality in the call in and consider if you will how Everton FC as a business is being ran both on and off the field.
53 Posted 31/08/2008 at 16:23:12
I just want answers like the rest of us! It's not fair to be treated like this... we deserve better!
54 Posted 31/08/2008 at 16:11:11
55 Posted 31/08/2008 at 18:12:09
This is just sad you need to get a life!
56 Posted 31/08/2008 at 18:39:37
"We are not in condition to win Premier League matches. We have not got players in the right slots and senior players are not playing the way they should be.
Sorry, Tom, but just cos you?ve supported Everton for 71 years doesn?t make it right... Moyes has put up the white flag. Why didn't he get free transfers in and Bosmans earlier on in the summer? Surely he was always gonna have to do that to beef up squad... he doesn't appear to have had no plans in place...
57 Posted 31/08/2008 at 18:44:19
58 Posted 31/08/2008 at 19:11:42
This is what you voted for, no plan B.
Looking for someone to blame ? look in the mirror lad
59 Posted 31/08/2008 at 18:58:09
Theres nothing wrong with that.
60 Posted 31/08/2008 at 20:00:39
61 Posted 31/08/2008 at 20:13:15
And new EGM petition;
The Directors/Company Secretary
Everton Football Club Limited ("the Company")
REQUISITION BY MEMBERS OF EXTRAORDINARY GENERAL MEETING
(Section 303 Companies Act 2006 and Article 10.3 of the Company?s Articles of Association)
We, the undersigned, being not less than one-fifth in number of members of the company as at the date of this notice REQUIRE you forthwith to proceed to convene a general meeting of the Company for the purpose of
1. Obtaining from the Board of Directors their comments on the financial performance of the club over the past eight years and under the chairmanship of Mr Kenwright and his fellow directors, specifically;
1.1 the effect on the football club of the decision to implement a policy of outsourcing commercial activities.
1.2 the effect and current status of implementing a policy of asset disposal and utilization.
1.3 the current level of debt and the club?s ability to service that debt whilst operating as a football club in the English Premier League.
1.4 the effect of relocating or not relocating in respect of the club?s ability to generate sufficient funds to meet current financial commitments.
1.5 the ability of the board to generate sufficient revenue to enable Everton Football Club to be competitive in a transfer market dominated by wealthy football club benefactors.
1.6 clarification concerning the sudden departure of both Trevor Birch and Keith Wyness from their role as CEO of Everton Football Club.
2. Obtaining from the Board of Directors actual details and a full account of past, present and future investment in the football club, specifically;
2.1 the level of actual investment into the club made by each individual member of the board directors above and beyond their acquisition of shareholding.
2.2 actual details and a full account of the search for additional outside investment undertaken in recent years in relation to the aforementioned financial performance of the football club.
2.3 clarification of approaches made to the board concerning any interest to acquire a major shareholding in the club and also clarification of the board?s interpretation of investment and whether or not the club is genuinely open to offers of external investment.
2.4 the extent of Sir Philip Green?s involvement in Everton Football Club.
2.5 an overview of the financial strategy that the club intends to implement over the next three years in relation to the aforementioned financial performance in recent years
3. Obtaining from the Board of Directors clarification of the situation to secure the services of David Moyes beyond his current contract in light of media statements that Mr Moyes wishes to work at a club that can match his ambition.
4. Obtaining from the Board of Directors further comments on the stadium issue, specifically;
4.1 the benefits of the exclusivity deal that is preventing the club from fully exploring alternative solutions to the stadium issue.
4.2 the concerns raised and potential effects on the clubs business strategy due to anticipated problems with the proposed transport plan at Kirkby which may deter supporters from attending football matches.
4.3 in light of the chairman?s comments that Goodison Park may soon struggle to attain a safety certificate.
5. To have a show of hands to pass a resolution, on receipt of the answers given by the board to the aforementioned questions, in relation to the shareholders confidence in the ability of the board to act in and secure the best long term interests of Everton Football Club.
62 Posted 31/08/2008 at 20:07:49
1. We are not talking about getting NEW players in we are talking about replacing those that have been sold off or let go. We no longer have a squad of Premier League quality players.
2. Kirkby call in was not decided by EFC "No" supporters nor KEIOC. The board were made well aware of the fact it contravened most planning policies, was a diabolical design and had major transport problems at the time they submitted the application. So if you?re going to blame anybody blame the board for an ill-conceived application.
3. According to Billy Liar, there have been significant funds there all summer and it was not affected by Kirkby.
4. Everton?s real problem is not that BK has no cash, it?s that we make continuous operating losses and don't generate sufficient "Off the field" income.
I?m afraid 8 years of BK?s incompetent, deceitful, fantasy world has come home to roost.
63 Posted 31/08/2008 at 20:30:09
I’m not interested in the reasons for the call in. I’m only bothered about Everton putting a trophy winning team on the pitch.
That will only happen if we get investment. We will only get investment with a new ground.
The only new ground we will get is in Kirkby.
Artguing about municipal boundaries is pathetic.
I’m sure we all want the best for the club.
I presume you’re related to Kerry.. if so say hello for me
64 Posted 31/08/2008 at 22:27:41
65 Posted 31/08/2008 at 23:24:59
Personally I blame the board of the 90’s and Philip Carter for the situation we are in now.
I want to win a major trophy before I die. I’m 27. What dya think my chances are?
66 Posted 31/08/2008 at 23:20:15
67 Posted 01/09/2008 at 02:36:17
When they are fully fit and in training it’ll be like having new signings.
Seriously though Vincent, how could you suggest we get rid of Cahill. It would be like asking the board to get rid of Kenwright
68 Posted 01/09/2008 at 07:14:19
69 Posted 01/09/2008 at 07:18:06
This summer has been nothing short of surreal. We placed 5th, release half a dozen players for upgrades, lies, deceit, confusion, links to almost 100 rumoured players, CEO gone, DK called in, chairman’s ’watch this space’, no signing come game 1, bench full of teenagers, deflated manager. And now less than 24 hours for Moutinho to save our season.
All this going on on the most watched football league in the world. You couldn’t make it up really. Talk about the theatricals.
70 Posted 01/09/2008 at 07:39:51
71 Posted 01/09/2008 at 08:15:37
I do not know the full finances of the company I work for, is it really feasible for a football club to disclose these details to the average fan, many of which probably let the missus do the banking? Maybe there should be an ongoing balance sheet in the corner of the official site, or text alerts direct to your phone everytime a pie is sold?
72 Posted 01/09/2008 at 10:50:30
While Moyes is out and about meeting with potential new signings and wheeling and dealing on the run up to the end of the transfer window - who do you think is taking training??? The appointment of such a fine coach as Round was a fantastic move - the man is renowned throughout the UK coaching community as a leader of his field. There is no-one better in this country to leave in charge of on-field activities than him as Moyes goes about the business of trying to kick-start the blues season.
Personally, I’ll be glad when midnight tonight has passed, and Moyes can do what he’s best at, and that is working with the squad he has and blending the new additions he’s acquired into fitter and technically better players than they already are.
Let’s get behind Moyes - has he let us down before???
73 Posted 01/09/2008 at 12:29:22
Surprise, surprise, we?re there again.
Either Moyes criticises the shambolic Kenwright cartel, Everton FC becoming the worst run club in football, or he goes with the sinking ship.
There is murder at Liverpool as Benitez is denied yet another £20m for players.
These are one of our rivals and, as so, the benchmark, along with Man U, Arsenal etc.
The same rules apply to us as them and anyone making any excuse for the diabolical performance of the clown(s) ruining our club are part of the problem.
74 Posted 01/09/2008 at 12:51:48
And you give up your season ticket after we have just reached a semi-final, finished 5th in the best league in the world, had our best run in Europe for years and played some of the best football again for a VERY long time. How is you giving up your season ticket going to help? Joke.
75 Posted 01/09/2008 at 12:55:09
Kirkby was called in by the government, not by EFC fans. If every single man woman child dog and cat who calls themselves blue was 100% behind Kirkby, guess what? It would still have been called in. You want to blame someone? Try the guy who dreamt it up.. same chap who gave us Kings Dock, Fortress Fund, 4 CEO’s in 9 years, and the same chap whose best known phrase is: Sorry I aint got a clue - Im just a fan like you.
We are also rans at the moment because there’s a guy called the Chairman who wont budge, wont sell up, but tells us the exact opposite. Any due diligence into EFC would show we are a viable option for investment, with our history, size of fan base, GP etc. Strange how club after club are being bought out but we aint. We finished 5th last year, you don’t think investors would start there? Cant afford a sky 4 side, well buy the 5th place team then............ no one is answering the phone...
76 Posted 01/09/2008 at 13:21:23
1) Is it time to sell the club, get some investment and become a challenger for the premier title instead of your (Bill?s) dream of being the owner of ?The Peoples Club? albeit 3rd rate?
2) Is it time for David Moyes to leave the club? He obviously has no ambition other than being ?the best of the also-rans?
77 Posted 01/09/2008 at 13:26:18
far worse than AGENT ORANGE
completely strips to the bone!
78 Posted 01/09/2008 at 13:36:15
My Comment was not ment to be deep or thought-provoking. I love football, going to the games and will always support the blues. However, the fact that we had not signed anyone would never ruin my holiday. Each to there own though!
79 Posted 01/09/2008 at 14:33:37
Untrue. There is no clause in the Kirkby deal preventing a sale.
80 Posted 01/09/2008 at 15:49:47
F5 F5 F5 on the bbc transfer deadline live text page now... anyone else think the moutinho thing is complicated by the fact he is captain? Maybe he wants our armband too but Phuck-Off Neville aint having it...
81 Posted 01/09/2008 at 15:57:49
To repeat, there is no such clause.
There is a COMMENT that the board are currently not looking to SELL their shares. It goes on to reference another document for further details - that dispite the other document not mentioning anything at all on this issue.
A few points:
The document is written by DTZ, on behalf of Tesco. It is not endorsed by Everton at any point.
It’s a comment, and is in no way binding. It’s just an indication of the current position.
Again, the document referenced does not mention the directors position at all, so there’s clearly an error somewhere.
The information contradicts Kenwright’s statements.
This suggests that the statement is in fact an error on behalf on DTZ.
In any case, the same document elsewhere states that Everton are looking for investors to purchase shares to fund the stadium.
Still, why let the facts get in the way?
82 Posted 01/09/2008 at 15:44:29
It does not prevent a sale, but the statement was required to try to avoid a call-in on the basis the owners wished merely to profit from the cross-subsidy.
83 Posted 01/09/2008 at 16:21:42
84 Posted 01/09/2008 at 17:13:44
85 Posted 01/09/2008 at 17:15:26
86 Posted 01/09/2008 at 17:28:29
I was laughed at and mocked then.
How interesting that you all jump on my bandwagon now.
87 Posted 01/09/2008 at 18:18:43
88 Posted 01/09/2008 at 18:39:03
Have you ever been to any away games.
To call GP a dump compared to many other stadia in the prem is a joke.
Bolton (28,000),Fulham (19,250),Blackburn (31,367),West Ham (30,056),Middlesborough, (35,100),Tottenham (36,200)
West Brom, Stoke and Hull.
All lower capacity than GP and even in the case of the new grounds not a beter match experience than Goodison.
I wish you guys had been around in the 60’s when Anfield was a total shed and 60000 plus used to pack GP and mostly stand for the whole match.
Yes there may be restricted views at GP and some of it may need a lick of paint but to blame Goodison for all our ills is to put a pair of blinkers on.
GP IS NOT ABOUT TO FALL DOWN OR BE CLOSED DOWN>
GP IS NOT DETRACTING INVESTORS>
89 Posted 01/09/2008 at 18:58:56
this is the clause that people are on about:-
"6.10 A further point that is of relevance to any debate on the options that might be available to the Club to fund a new stadium, is the willingness and abilities of the Club?s directors to sell some or all of their interests in the Club in order to attract an investor who or which might have the ability in financial terms to fund a new stadium in its entirety or at the very least fund the shortfall that exists in the context of this proposals. As is pointed out in greater detail in the financial statement document 26), this is not an option as the current directors have no intention of selling any of their interests in the Club."
Now if that’s not a clear indication that we were NOT looking for investment 24/7 then I dont know what is.
Or is it just another lie from the board.
90 Posted 01/09/2008 at 18:44:41
Oh well, I suppose we had to go back to mediocrity sometimes, only this time we cant blame anyone but the people running our football club. And we call ourselves the People’s Club eh?.........
91 Posted 01/09/2008 at 19:03:08
"As is pointed out in greater detail in the financial statement document 26"
As I said, document 26 does not mention at any point the directors intentions, which is why I said that there is clearly an error somewhere.
The document was produced by DTZ on behalf of Tesco. It’s an error by them, get over it.
The same document states that they are looking for someone to buy shares as one method of funding the stadium.
92 Posted 01/09/2008 at 19:13:21
93 Posted 01/09/2008 at 19:38:34
Big Al Willy - you make me laugh. How are we more attractive with a £130m debt and a ground we lease as opposed to where we are right now? BK has said in the past that the redshyte influence is scaring off investors (hence maybe why he wants to move us out of the city??) - but that doesnt seem to affect Man Shitteh - who happen to share a city with, oh, the biggest club on the planet. hhmm. BK = bullshit. You = regurgitated bullshit.
Any fan at WBA last weekend trying to get a beer at half time can tell you GP aint that bad!
94 Posted 01/09/2008 at 21:48:32
BK says he is "looking for investment 24/7"....
erm, try the richest man in the fucking world - he was in the market for a PL football club.
Bill thanks for all your efforts but the time has come to hand over to someone with more money and more of an idea.... My 7 year old son has just emptied his piggybank and found £11.90 - that’s cash Bill.
95 Posted 02/09/2008 at 00:05:28
Watch this Space
We are, its called our midfield.
96 Posted 02/09/2008 at 00:15:20
1. Did Moyes have a fixed budget or not?
2. When were those funds made available?
3. Where the funds actually available when they were promised?
4. Who did the negotiating for players transfers?
5. Who had the final say on how much the club paid for a player?
Just those five questions will answer
an awful lot thats at the heart of this club.
Sounds like The Weakest Link but I bet it will be Moyes who will carry the can.
97 Posted 02/09/2008 at 02:58:26
98 Posted 02/09/2008 at 04:25:04
All we have apparently spent is less than what we got for AJ and Faddy.
It does not change the fact we must be the worst administrated club in History.
99 Posted 02/09/2008 at 10:25:10
Not quite but we’re up there and it gives me no pleasure whatever to say so.
100 Posted 02/09/2008 at 11:16:26
I have ( in Michaels Kendricks words) "crusaded" many of the same points and opinions for the past 9 months and (as you have) been slated, abused, patronized, ridiculed and accused of everything from being a kopite to "That woman"
Well I take no pleasure in seeing how the summer unravelled and how Moyes has been publically demorilished. I don’t apologise to BK because I have been proved wrong but because we did, in the end buy a player. I didn’t think we would.
BK has a million questions to answer, but then all we ever get is silence. Yes it gives me no pleasure to say the club is so badly run. Moyes needs a breather, the board need fresh air. Winds of change required. But that will only happen when Kirkby is nailed shut. God help us if it isn’t.
101 Posted 02/09/2008 at 19:36:56
now i hate the reds as much as the next man but a joint ground means we both have THE best stadium in the country, council built so as not to cost each team. a stadium that will also provide a higher capacity than the echo arena for the really big concert names. a stadium that is still in our geographical homes and and the money saved goes to the team. this is the answer and something like the colour of seats shouldnt get in the way...bayern overcame that one