Once again, when one of the Big Boys come to town, Moyes craps his kecks and goes for a saftey-first option. Let's try to nick a point ? you know the one. Moyes's stock as a football manger and Everton's reputation as a football team lie in tatters this morning. Torn to shreds by an average Liverpool side.
Liverpool FC came to Goodisoon Park yesterday afternoon and Rafael Benitez took the piss out of Moyes big time. Everton got mugged once more and yet again Dynamo Dave was found wanting in the heat of battle.
All week, I discussed what formation we would play and what team Moyes would send out against Liverpool and, do you know what, I got it absolutely spot on. My take on the game was that Moyes would go 4-5-1 with Yakubu as a lone striker; then, after Liverpool score, he will go 4-4-2 and try to chase the game. The trouble is, while Moyes was poncing about with the first sub, they netted again and it was game over.
Now if I knew, and you all knew, FFS my 9-year-old son even knew what Moyes's tactics would be, then dont you think Benitez would know? So why the fuck didn't soft lad change his game plan around 11:00 am Saturday morning and have a fucking go at the twats with an attacking side??? Playing Yakubu up front on his own left him as isolated as Terry Waite chained to a Beirut radiator.
One thing that struck me yesterday ? and I don't think Moyes can ever recover from it ? was the way in which Benitez treated Moyes and his tactics with such disdain. I mean playing 3 strikers away from home in a Derby game tells you how much respect The Fat waiter has for Moyes. THREE FUCKING STRIKERS AWAY FROM HOME IN A DERBY!!! Yes, read it and weep. Moyes is finished, lads, and if you can't see it after that shambles yesterday then you never will.
Not only is David Moyes killing Everton FC with this shithouse approach to games, he is killing the good name of all Scousers. Scousers are tough cocky people with an in-your-face type attitude that should be replicated by our football teams. Play with an arrogance and a self-belief, be aggressive and bold, but do it with a touch of flair. Instead, what we now get is a timid choirboy style of play with no passion or fight, no skill, no class ? and worst of all, no represenation of the fans who watch it. We don't want our names being put to this SHITE do we? I thought we were fighters.
More bad news is that Moyes has now signed on again so that means more of the same. Yet more useless displays from the likes of Leon Osman who for me is not a Premier League footballer, not even a footballer full stop. How the fuck this lad get throught the system is one of life's great mysteries. Oh and there's that 4-year contract for Phil Neville to pounder. God give me strength...
I would seriously take Sam Allardyce over Moyes right now. At least Allardyce's teams are nasty Bastards that no one likes playing against. What are we good for these days? I am now losing sleep watching this clown Moyes and his gormless face ruining our proud club. Stick your 4th place finish up your arse, Davey Boy, and fall on your sword. After yesterday's miserable showing, it's the only option you have got left.
You are a beaten man, Moyes, and a joke figure within the Premier League managers' cicrle. You have been sussed out and there is no way back. Who's next in line to take the piss out of you, Davey Boy? Perhaps next time some smart arse manager will play 4 strikers against us ? then what?
It's time for a change and I don't care where we finished last season or 3 years ago ? Moyes is a dud. A man who has nowhere left to go at this club. The sooner the Moyes era is put to bed the better as many of us will start to walk if he carries on with this nonsense.
Moyes Out! is the cry... but who will come in they ask?? "Who gives a fuck?" I say, as anything is better than this SHITE......
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1 Posted 28/09/2008 at 17:00:25
Its painful watching the SAME OLD tricks. Phil from rb to central. Tim roaming. Arteta only one playing the ball. Osman drops and put both hands up wanting a foul. T.howard stuck to his poles and not coming out. Lescott thought he?s a striker. Yobo taking it easy. jag?s long long pass into the stand. etc..etc...
knee jerk reaction? Probably not. Against S.Liege, we shld still win, considering they are not really a great side. poor football by top 10 premier league standards, sure we are.
2 Posted 28/09/2008 at 17:07:23
3 Posted 28/09/2008 at 17:13:02
4 Posted 28/09/2008 at 17:14:56
5 Posted 28/09/2008 at 17:13:40
We?re at home & the shite know we?re going to be so negative that they can set up like they did then switch off & put their feet up after after scoring.
Hull, away at the Arse (who were fuckin glorious to watch midweek & scored for fun) have a go and get the win.
6 Posted 28/09/2008 at 17:11:35
1 ? Osman: Harsh but true, I do think he is a Premier League footballer but that?s the occasional game.
2 ? Neville: 4 years is amazing.
3 ? Tactics and formation were poor.
4 ? Moyes: Say what you will but he is the ONLY manager to break into the top four with a TINY amount to spend in comparison with other managers.
I say we can only judge Moyes by giving him £30million quid and seeing what he does with it.
The Terry Waite comment was a classic by the way.
7 Posted 28/09/2008 at 17:20:59
What is needed is people power, come on Everton... let's show the twits that we will not watch and be embarassed by this hoofball ever again, BK AND MOYES OUT... PROTEST AT NEWCASTLE ? MY BANNER IS BEING PRINTED ALREADY!!!
8 Posted 28/09/2008 at 17:23:48
9 Posted 28/09/2008 at 17:45:07
I knew he?d stick Neville in midfield as well, as that seems to be his tactical "master stroke" when facing a big 4 side. His tactics are negative, always have been, it?s clean sheet first, for Moyes & he finds it hard to set out his side with any other thought in mind.
Round has seemingly brought nothing to the party either ? the lads now look totally confused when defending a set piece ? fuck knows what his contribution has been.
I wouldn?t weep any tears if he walked after our season ends at 10pm on the 1st October.
It?s largely as a result of his dithering that we?ve ended up with a squad worse than we finished last season with, wasted £15M on that mule from Belgium & have Carlo fucking Nash as supposed competition for Howard (no wonder he?s not worried about his place in the side!). It?s a total mess.
10 Posted 28/09/2008 at 18:02:43
We all knew we were going to play 4-5-1 when Cahill was fit, so now every manager knows how to combat this old and negative tactic. We were last in the tackle yesterday and they wanted it more, it?s got fuck all to do with their expensive squad.
11 Posted 28/09/2008 at 18:08:53
Unfortunatley for us, DM won't walk and BK certainly wont tell him to. Even if, and it's a fuckin big if, we manage to win in Belgium on Thursday, we still need a change at the top.
ps: I would fuck SR off as well, seems to me we have been careering downhill since AI left.
Enjoyed the Terry Waite comment.
12 Posted 28/09/2008 at 18:30:41
I posted on another thread that the time for the changes yesterday was half time.
13 Posted 28/09/2008 at 18:31:01
If your on the verge of a divorce from the missus you don’t say "better hold until I find a replacement to marry next". Sometimes a parting of the ways has to take place to move on.
Ruud Gullits out of work, just a thought.
14 Posted 28/09/2008 at 18:31:51
15 Posted 28/09/2008 at 18:30:50
16 Posted 28/09/2008 at 18:46:48
I disagree with the Osman comment. Our most productive midfield player - will scare more goals than the one-trick pony that is Arteta. I can run round in circles and disappear up my own arse. Take the dead balls off him. As for Fellaini???
I also think Neville gets a bad press. In my view ? and I don't care if I?m in a minority ? he was our best player yesterday. .
17 Posted 28/09/2008 at 18:31:32
The only thing he knows about pass and move is, that, if he passes wind, he moves in case he gets the blame. On the subject of who will we replace him with, if we have £17m to play with, there must be something wrong if we can?t do better than Moyes. If he has an ounce of decency in him, he should resign forthwith, and be happy to have been part of such a great club!
18 Posted 28/09/2008 at 19:04:58
19 Posted 28/09/2008 at 19:01:22
Like many others I disagree with the comments on Osman who when played in the right position and given support is ace. Walking away from the ground I was talking to a bloke about Fellaini and we both agreed he will come good. This chap remembers Kendall and Gabriel when they started; apparently they were given almighty stick.
Crap refereeing to one side (how does Mother Riley get the top games !?) we could be said to have coped in the first half at best and in the second clueless. To allow Keane to chase a lost cause and not go with him was appalling.
I have said in previous postings that I think Moyes’ body language on the touchline this year has been telling. In previous seasons he has never sat down during the game. This season (and yesterday) he was sat in what looked like a big sulk. This communicates itself to the players and he needs to get over himself and get back to basics FAST. Pride in the shirt, passion on the pitch with team before individuals who underperform.
Our season could be over on Thursday evening. I hesitate to say ’will’ but I don’t see us going through if Liege score first.
20 Posted 28/09/2008 at 19:41:09
21 Posted 28/09/2008 at 19:32:37
The players need to hold their hands up here. The defence has been awful ? but we defend from the front and that isnt happening. We can all name players who aren?t doing too well ? Lescott gets hammered and he?s been magnificent for two years, Osman slagged off and he?s playing with a bad knee but they are not alone in having a poor season so far ? at last yesterday Arteta actually got a deadball past the first defender!! It's not a time for knee-jerk reaction but for getting behind the team. Liege here we come - let the season start there!
22 Posted 28/09/2008 at 18:46:48
1. Lack of passion, determination and controlled aggression.
2. Tactics, specifically not appearing to want to win.
3. Awful passing and long ball dependency from all over the park and no options or width.
How much was down to Moyes?
1. I think you have to blame the team and manager for the lack of passion in equal proportion.
2. Clearly Moyes was at fault. We couldn?t do any worse than the general play in the first half ? no-one believed we would win if it continued as it was. Having said that, I think given our appalling defensive record of late (most goals conceded in PL), you can forgive Moyes for wanting to avoid conceding early on at least, and to this end we were successful in the first half. Liverpool didn?t have a chance.
Unfortunately, half time is when we needed to change to 4-4-2, not after we had conceded.
3. The long ball and lack of width are again probably equally blamed on the team and manager.
I think Tony?s general attitude is the epitome of what I and less hysterical supporters despise, but I guess it?s somehow acceptable if others agree.
Moyes has proven you and the rest to be wrong on many occasions and he should be given a chance to learn from (admittedly) yet more mistakes that we have seen before.
This was always going to be a tough season to follow the last one and the 7 or 8 new quality players needed to improve on 5th place was never going to happen. I do suspect that Moyes feels the same way and somehow he has transmitted this message to the players.
I do not believe that our season is over even if we now go out of the Uefa Cup, and I do believe that we will improve under Moyes. Both players and manager need to regain focus and determination and the confidence will follow. That seems to be the main issue all round to me. And as for other managerial options, at least he?s not ?the next big thing? and is called Ramos. I can?t imagine another manager I could trust more to do what?s right for Everton.
Forgive my tolerance in the face of such an appallingly passionless derby, but I?m doing my best to stay upbeat with so much still to play for.
23 Posted 28/09/2008 at 19:25:14
Davey accepts that his players are not of the standard able to be signed by the Sky4. So you don?t put your head on the block for it to be chopped off. Hence the expected and totally correct 4-5-1 starting formation. In case you haven?t noticed,it has the benefit of allowing variation so a second striker ? Tim or Ossie can be pushed up if necessary.
Davey also said that if we were still holding them at the interval, he had the option of introducing Saha but we were creating good opportunities and decided to delay for fear of disruption. Then, the defence suddenly went walk-abouts and all was lost. How the fuck was the manager supposed to guess that a defence playing out of its skull would suddenly implode? Just tell me that?
Do you honestly think that we have strikers with the nous and mobility of Torres & Co? They are in a different league because they can spend £100M whilst we are shopping in the basement. So how could we ever hope to match like for like.
I know you care and would like to see us play like Real Madrid but, Tony, we?re Everton and I ain?t half glad we?ve got Davey in charge!
24 Posted 28/09/2008 at 19:55:33
25 Posted 28/09/2008 at 19:46:44
26 Posted 28/09/2008 at 20:02:20
27 Posted 28/09/2008 at 19:54:24
Six games into the season, Richard and what is left? Out of one cup nearly out of another. Champions league, which last May I was foolish enough to believe was a possibility, is a laughable thought. Uefa Cup qualification? No chance. So it?s a relegation battle and the FA cup. Negative as it might seem, I believe that Bill Kenwright and David Moyes have killed this season in a month.
An era is over. DM cannot change. The ship which, to be fair, he did steady, is rocking again. He should go while he has any vestige of a legacy left.
28 Posted 28/09/2008 at 19:35:24
Fact is, we got beaten in a humiliating way by the worst team to get done by. It’s hardly surprising if people are angry!
How much worse would we be feeling if the team had gone out in a more attacking way and there’d been more mistakes and goals conceded? That’s not to say that I agree with Moyes’ policy vs Sky 4 or time taken to bring on Saha.
I wonder how we will all be feeling about Moyes later in the season. Probably still wondering why we spent so much on one player without addressing other issues like winger, Right Back. We’re running up a huge debt under DM and so he doesn’t have a big margin for error! He may say he needs more players at Fellaini’s standard and that he only wanted to bring in better players, but: with what money??
Moyes’s sides do also seem to take time to respond to adversity... Think of when we were dumped out of the Champions League and Uefa Cup, or after Fiorentina last year.
Sorry, I worry a bit about DM’s transfer policy (hints at hubris?) but I think his tactics yesterday were understandable.
29 Posted 28/09/2008 at 19:52:09
30 Posted 28/09/2008 at 19:48:52
Not sure about the Osman comment, had you said Hibbert or Howard then maybe.
While I agree that Moyes got his tactics wrong and needs to learn from this big mistake. I don’t think that given the lack of transfer budget anyone else would be doing any better. Suggesting Allardyce would do a better job is wide of the mark, with shit all budget at Bolton I do not remember them playing champagne footie with plodders like Kevin Davies, in this instance its better the devil you know.
Bolton is an interesting example. Under Allardyce they played defensive / long ball / 4-5-1 like we do (love it or hate it) now they have Gary Megson who is trying to get them to play good football and attack teams, they played pretty well against Man U. But they lost and the fact is they have 4 points...Who is better off?
31 Posted 28/09/2008 at 19:38:22
32 Posted 28/09/2008 at 20:14:11
There comes a time when a manager with comparatively limited tactical nous can only take a club forward so far. The players are drifting and the stink of the summer transfer policy will linger long over Goodison and could well be Moyes’ & Kenwight’s legacy. To openly admit to the public that the squad is unprepared for the new season is arrogant and unprofessional as Moyes and the coaching staff have had since May to ensure that the Everton fans aren’t being cheated out of their money.
I love Everton with all my heart but it is hard to support a side full of players who at this moment in time, don’t seem to care about the club. Moyes now seems a liability and we can’t have a lame duck in charge for the sake of the club’s immediate future.
33 Posted 28/09/2008 at 20:31:58
34 Posted 28/09/2008 at 20:32:59
35 Posted 28/09/2008 at 20:40:21
If he cannot motivate himself then how on earth can he motivate his players? Tony says he has signed on again but I cannot see mention of this anywhere else. What I will say is that if he does not want to sign the contract that has been on the table for 6 months then he should walk away now. The last thing we need is to carry on this season with a manager who has no intention of being here long term.
The best scenario would be for David to sign his contract and re-energise himself and his players to get them playing as they did following last season?s Goodison derby. He IS capable of getting his players to play great football but there is no denying that this season thus far has been pitiful.
Just a final point on Leon Osman. He is a cracking little player and when played in the centre of the park is a real asset. He is not a wide player however and is only playing there at present due to the injury to Pienaar.
36 Posted 28/09/2008 at 20:53:35
37 Posted 28/09/2008 at 20:48:57
Someone here compares Osman to Trevor Steven - WHAT?? AGHHH get a life!!
Moyes should go NOW - both you and I have been dead right about him - he?s an average Championship manager and would be great at Preston or Sheffield or Motherwell BUT NOT EVERTON.
And it seems more good folk are coming around to this way of thinking at last. The choice of a new manager is not ours to make. That has to be left to the doyen of all things blue, the masterbater himself Kenwrong. Problem is that Moyes is his lovechild, so the future looks bleak.... the future is the Championship..... when Moyes can take over again and do a good job keeping us from relegation!!!!
38 Posted 28/09/2008 at 21:11:11
You list his weaknesses which are his lack of pace, strength and height.
I admire his strengths which are his superb first touch, passing and football brain. He is one of the only players we have who knows how to play football. I remember the game against Fiorentina at home last season when he was absolutely top notch in the centre of the park.
He will do for me.
39 Posted 28/09/2008 at 21:05:55
40 Posted 28/09/2008 at 21:07:02
Finally, I just hope your 9-year-old son doesn't read your posts otherwise his language will be choice.
41 Posted 28/09/2008 at 21:21:01
42 Posted 28/09/2008 at 21:11:15
Why not play Castillo, Arteta, Cahill in the middle and get Saha up front with the Yak,need to go for it on Thursday! Put Saturday?s trash behind us and put all our efforts into backing the manager and players on Thursday, they know they have to turn up this time!
43 Posted 28/09/2008 at 20:30:39
I was gutted the way we played against Liverpool,even when it was 0-0,at least they can keep the ball and pass it between themselves for more than 2 passes. Instead of Moyes going through his negative tactics on how to stop the opposition from playing, he would be better served in the players playing hours and hours of 5-a-side football (pass and move) instead of pass, stop the ball, then pass, then hoof it up-field to nobody!
44 Posted 28/09/2008 at 07:07:29
I can't stand Ince as a person but what Blackburn do have is an enthusiastic manager who motivates his team and makes them believe they can win.
What we have is a clueless manager who appears to still be licking his wounds and has none of the skills mentioned above as demonstrated by our gutless derby performance. Our situation is not about lack of funds, it's about a lack of fight.
45 Posted 28/09/2008 at 21:29:56
You have been one of the few posters here consistantly against the Moyes ’style’ of hoofball and have suffered terrible stick for your views but you have stuck to your guns and it seems like more and more fans are finally seeing that Moyes is not the ’Moyesiah’. He is just an average manager whose glory days amount to a fourth place finish (20+ points behind the winners) a few years ago.
46 Posted 28/09/2008 at 21:29:25
Personally, after 6½ years I?d like to see a change now, Moyes looks unmotivated, uninterested and depressed every times he?s interviewed all of which no doubt filters through the side.
Time for a new era!
47 Posted 28/09/2008 at 21:58:08
He’s a poor winger yes, he’s not a poor centre midfielder though. That is quite clear judging by his performances from that position. His strengths by far outweigh his weaknesses.
You slate Moyes for playing hoofball yet you claim Pienaar and Osman shouldn’t be playing in our first team, they are two of the few players in our squad who want the ball and want to play football.
It just doesn’t add up to be honest. Your a so called football purist yet you don’t want attacking creative players in the team.
48 Posted 28/09/2008 at 22:13:53
However the most telling statistic for me was that the day before a derby match, there were still tickets available!!! Now doesn’t that tell everyone that the fans realise exactly how awful we are to watch? Can someone tell me the last time a derby didn’t sell out?
49 Posted 28/09/2008 at 22:27:20
Before Moyes arrived we had one Premiership top-half finish. In his 6 full seasons we’ve had 7th, 17th, 4th, 11th, 6th and 5th, and I can’t understand why some people are so keen to disregard this. Although we’ve spent substantial amounts of money on Yakubu and Fellaini, relative to the teams above us last year (and several below) we have actually spent a relatively small amount for a fairly decent return.
Allardyce as manager would be a disaster for the club in every way, and it’s absolute bollocks to suppose that he would certainly have the team playing Total Football. Seriously, what is the logic and reasoning behind that one?
One last point; this time last year we had 10 points from 7 games, were 1-1 with Kharkiv at the half-way stage of the tie, and had struggled past Sheffield Wednesday in the League Cup. Much of what is being written now was written then. Have a bit of faith in the team, and get behind them. It’s a shit load better than actively hoping for them to fail.
50 Posted 28/09/2008 at 21:25:50
You're entirely correct with your Osman assessment. Against the better sides he?s next to useless he?s simply swept aside as he was yesterday he aims to look busy by running around a lot but rarely makes a challenge he seems quite happy to shadow the opposition. He should take a long hard look at Cahill?s approach yesterday not the biggest lad by any means but courage and commitment in abundance never shirked a challenge and when he made one he certainly put his foot in, perhaps if he were captain we just might see a bit more enthusiasm.
Baines may be a defender but down the flank he?s a much better option than Osman for the simple reason he can actually deliver crosses into the box and unlike Osman he certainly knows how to tackle, above all he has pace to burn.
Tactics wise it was nothing short of a disaster. I was expecting a much better second half from the team. It was clear RB had done his homework as they ran us ragged early in the second half. For Moyes it was as you were, totally inept.
51 Posted 28/09/2008 at 23:12:45
52 Posted 28/09/2008 at 22:37:52
However, this season has proved to be a new experience... never, never, never have I seen a side in a Derby game play without heart. They got the result they were expecting. It is apparent that the teams we have been playing this season all appear to be better prepared for the game..notice how the rs were first to the ball, and first to react to lost possession..by either side from the kick off to the last whistle. I think this is down to Sammy Lee, who spends warm up firing up his troops..remember he is the missing link from Bolton this season. Joe Royle’s team were not the most skillful but made up for this in effort and passion and were rewarded with a cup win. Perhaps we need to appoint someone to instill this prior to every game... I can suggest a few ex players.....
53 Posted 28/09/2008 at 23:46:12
Predictable post and yet again you get away with personal insults with inpunity.
Terrible game yesterday but that is how this season has started, the defence looks like strangers, the goalie is still on his hols and now the goals have started to dry up.
We are in a slump but in essence it is the same side that reached 5th last season, was that Moyes’ fault? Did he shit out then?
Oh My Rants is at it again, I have never seen you so busy on here in the last few seasons, what with us being relatively successful and you doing your disappearing act.
Roll on Thursday, come on you Blues
54 Posted 29/09/2008 at 01:07:52
I think he knows this himself and that's why he hasn?t signed. Though I despair at his tactics, I admire his honesty and his integrity. In his heart he knows he is not committed to the club and for that reason I believe he?ll walk away very soon without signing the contract. Two capitulations against Man Utd and Arsenal might force the issue.
55 Posted 28/09/2008 at 23:30:52
I'm probably not the only touchline dad who saw more pride, passion and will to win ? whatever the final result ? in their kid's Sunday League game than they did in EFC's performance on Saturday. I can cope with being beaten by a better side. I can cope with being beaten by a worse side by some fluke. What I cannot accept is the couldn't give a fuck attitide that ran pretty much through Saturday's side.
56 Posted 29/09/2008 at 02:32:47
Time to go Moyes.
57 Posted 29/09/2008 at 02:30:38
I woke up at my girlfriend?s place yesterday and drove forty clicks on four hours fuzzy sleep to watch the match on Setanta. After the pain of a match that I thought we were looking comfortable in I drove back to Vancouver to have dinner with the girlfriend.
When we woke up this morning she told me that she?s pretty sure that she?s a lesbian.
Well, she didn?t run into me with her car (like the dude in the other thread), but she might has well have.
Worst weekend ever? It?s up there.
58 Posted 29/09/2008 at 02:56:51
Osman - he never shows up against the top4. Useful against the crap teams and good value in Fantasy Football though.
Neville - can’t contemplate how the fuck he is Everton captain. Where’s the passion?
Saha - the only decent player WITH quality all afternoon. For the 20 odd mins he was on. When your best player is a crock and only joined a couple of weeks ago you know you’re in the shit. Give Moyes time and he’ll fuck Saha up.
It’s target 40 points this season. Time to go Mr Moyes, wherever your 100million spending budget club may be.
59 Posted 29/09/2008 at 03:49:50
Fair thing to say is we had an absolutely dreadful summer, Lescott came out in the first few games of this year with his head firmly jammed up his ass, sulking like a ten year old that we couldn?t bring bigger talent. NO ONE WANTS TO COME HERE. Why?
Because we have fans who don?t want to build a stadium outside of Liverpool?s city limits, we have an owner whose pockets aren?t deep enough, and we have a city council whose willing to bog the ground move down indefinitely because they don?t want to lose Everton?s presence in town, but then again also don?t want to give us a realistic ground where we can build big now and grow in the future.
The truth is, we are not attractive. We?re the ugly girl at the dance. There?s no rich Arab standing around the corner to make our dreams come true, Anil Ambani isn?t going to buy us, no one is going to buy us. Wake up.
It?s amazing Moyes signed, tell you the truth. Everyone in this league sees what he can do: make things happen on a non-existent budget. So if you, Tony, have a better idea, or a better manager, or anything like that in mind, then please fill me in, really, I?m dying to hear your educated opinion.
This may not be our season. It may be over already. That sucks, I don?t like it, none of us do. Fact is, we got a big fat dose of reality this summer. M?bia balked, Moutinho balked, Tiago balked, they all saw beyond the makeup. We don?t have the financial clout. No wonder Moyes put out a defensive team. Things are dire. Knuckle down for a long season, folks.
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60 Posted 29/09/2008 at 05:26:13
It?s great that he treats self-proclaimed experts like yourself with the complete disdain that you deserve. I don?t need to reiterate how much we owe David Moyes as a club. We would be sitting proudly amongst the Coventrys, Forests and Southamptons of the league now without his input.
You choose to ignore the fact that the board has shit on him this summer from a great height and despite our stuttering start, we?ll still finish in the top 6, despite all your personal attacks on him. Luckily, the majority of the fans disagree with you and your anal vitriol, they see where the real problem is.... the front row of the directors box, not the most honest and principled Manager we?ve had for years!
61 Posted 29/09/2008 at 06:55:54
Tony, the fact that so many people agree with you is a clear indication of how poor our team has become. And I am definately on your side, and half of me wants Moyes to go as well, if that means an improvement to the style of soccer we are playiing. Possibly Hull is a better team than us right now.
We’ve seemed to have bought some duds, players seemed to have lost motivation and respect for the manager, the manager’s more keen on getting an improved deal, and the chairman wants to get us packed off to Kirkby.
They seemed to have forgotten the most basic of things - winning games to keep the paying supporters happy.
62 Posted 29/09/2008 at 09:23:56
I thought it was because we couldn’t afford the wages that other clubs were paying and we couldn’t also compete on transfer fees with the top clubs. That and the uninspiring level of play under David Moyes. If a player comes to us not for the money, then they have to feel they are coming to a club with a chance of winning something. Or a club that is admired for playing well. But no, it’s all the fans fault for not wanting to go to Kirkby !! It’s good to know that we have so much influence over players and their agents, potential investors and government departments.....
63 Posted 29/09/2008 at 10:37:18
?The good name of all Scousers? Need I say more?
However, there is a strong point to your article which is about DM?s attitude. Would Brian Clough have been moaning about the price of his players, basically telling his own team they are not good enough? Of course not.
Yakubu, Saha, Arteta, Lescott, Howard, Jagielka, Baines, Pienaar, Cahill, Yobo, Fellaini (probably) Castillo (probably) Osman....
If you can?t convince players with that much obvious skill that they can beat ANYBODY then you should not be Managing. Moyes is starting to believe Sky and the back pages of the rags.
He stated before the game he was not exactly full of confidence. I have worked on sales floors where you would get sacked for that attitude, upon hearing that I thought he should be too.
He has run out of confidence and it is time to go!
64 Posted 29/09/2008 at 10:30:53
I have been critical of just about everything off the field at Everton but have (in the main) been fairly supportive of Moyes.
ie: Lack of money, lack of support from an inept board’, etc etc.
However his carry-on since THAT Spurs home game has forced me to revise things.
And as soon as I saw the team on Saturday, I just thought ’awwww....you fucking prick!’.
We’d lost before a ball was kicked....IN A DERBY!!.
It wasn’t even so much the formation (although as TM suggests, this had "shithouse" written all over it).
It was more the fact that for the derby, you MUST play your best players (if fit) to give yourself a chance.
For us to start the game with Saha and Castillo sitting on the bleeding bench must have delighted Signor Patatas Cabeza.
He must have thought "great, they’ve only got one player on the park who won’t give us the ball back the split fucking second he gets it" (only...um..in Spanish)
The reason their defenders had so little to do and could therefore concentrate on attack, was that instead of dealing with (for example) Saha, Yak and Vic, they only had to worry about one attacker.
(one incidentally who seemed to think the best way to score was to theatrically fling himself on the deck every single time the ball came near him).
Have you EVER seen an Everton side give the ball away more than this one?
I’m fairly sure I haven’t.
We looked truly shite and after the first goal went in, the towel was well and truly chucked in.
I flew back this morning to Dublin and now sit looking out at the Liffy - If I see a swan swim buy, I’m going to run down, bounce a brick off it’s napper.
I’ll then send a fucking white feather to everyone involved in Saturday’s disgraceful, cowardly shambles.
By the way (coz I booked it and have a ticket) I’m going to Liege later this week.
Should any players be reading this let me say this.
Please don’t insult the traveling support by turning in a performance like Saturday’s, then coming over at the end applauding as if.."We’re just as gutted as you like".
I personally will see it as taking the piss and won’t be responsible for my actions.
65 Posted 29/09/2008 at 11:41:12
Funny, coz we used to have one player who could produce the best when he plays at his prefered position but you gave him the sword that?s even more deadly than a rifle!! The player I am talking about ? James McFadden. He was always been played out of position and you never gave him a chance. And now, Osman is as shit as Faddy and suddenly, you are so lenient? GIve me a break....Sorry, Connor, never a fan of your comments.
66 Posted 29/09/2008 at 11:52:28
ps Moyes take that prick Neville with you as I'm sick to death of listening to his bull shit. Everton captain... now I really I'm starting to fucking hate Moyes.
67 Posted 29/09/2008 at 12:33:30
Wasn’t he chained up alongside John McCarthy ?
At least there were 2 of them
68 Posted 29/09/2008 at 12:36:12
Some Everton fans have started to jump on Fellaini?s back too already. I find it unbelievable after only a few games.
Admittedly, it is pretty dire at the moment but it is only September and we are still in Europe. The new players need to settle in and Saha is getting fitter, so let?s stop all this negative talk and support the team. It will help and could get us through to the Group Stages on Thursday.
69 Posted 29/09/2008 at 12:51:06
I think what people are treating as unforgiveable is the repetition of mistakes that a 5-year-old wouldn't make twice... but Moyes has made them for years!
I mean, Neville in midfield!!!
As soon as I heard that I nearly put my foot through the tv.
70 Posted 29/09/2008 at 14:35:08
Saturday was dire but for me the first leg in Fiorentina and then the game at Fulham after going out of the UEFA Cup showed where we were headed if we didn?t add to the squad and improve the tactics and motivation. At Fulham it was more interesting to watch boats going past on the Thames than what we were offering on the pitch!!
71 Posted 29/09/2008 at 15:07:12
72 Posted 29/09/2008 at 15:27:23
Don’t you love farce?
My fault I fear.
I thought that you’d want what I want.
Sorry, my dear.
But where are the clowns?
Quick, send in the clowns.
Don’t bother, they’re here.
73 Posted 29/09/2008 at 15:29:47
Tony, I share your frustration and your heartache but I think what we?re experiencing is merely a failure to gel in the early weeks. If you need a positive comparison, look at Man U. They?re not going to finish half way and neither are we.
74 Posted 29/09/2008 at 15:39:02
I do hope that this will happen but even when we are on a good run, I?ve seen enough of David Moyes tactics to know that he just can?t win important games against the top sides. I love to celebrate a win but how many times in the last few years have we dominated a team (even the hapless ones) when we are playing well ? Even when we are a couple of goals in front it rarely feels like a forgone conclusion. With a successful team once they go in front it is generally inevitable that they will win unless the opposition create a wonder/fluke goal from nothing.
Do you remember watching the superb Everton teams where we could really take teams apart? I was spoilt with some of my earliest memories of the Holy Trinity and can also remember Manchester United after Matt Busby and before Alex Ferguson where they were a big team but without success. At some point we have to move to the next level or just fade into history. History is fine for those of us who were there but what about the next generation who should be expecting (and getting) more than is currently on offer ?
75 Posted 29/09/2008 at 15:59:20
It’s also other players over the years he has missed oout on, I thought Malbranque would of been a good squad addition, our squad os so thin yet these proven AFFORDABLE players are moving to lesser clubbs while we are plading poverty and blowing £15m on an unknown. Other players like Defoe, MIlner, Sidwell, I could go on but you get my drift, not even a bid for these affordable players who would of improved our squad, and after all summer a last minute bid for hunt! I’ve never seen such poor management by any club like the farce which has gone on at Everton this year.
To go into a season with no wingers in the side is unbelievable, it’s obvious! look at villa with Young, Milner, Petrov and Man City with Phillips and Petrov!! These are light years above us now the way they play, what is most annoying is Moyes has been on charge for 6 seasons now! so this is his entire squad, to go into a season with no wingers but Van der Meyde, playing players out of their favoured positions, to start a season with 2 defenders in CM, and go into a derby match with RB in CM is scandelous. Sorry Moyes first time I’ve said this but I’ve had enough of mis management and I feel you have had enough chances...time to move on.
76 Posted 29/09/2008 at 16:31:50
It should be noted that there are plenty of Evertonians who find this kind of trash demeaning to us as a group of fans. More should register their opinions as such inane attitudes make us all look stupid.
77 Posted 29/09/2008 at 16:14:29
The total depression and poor morale of Moyes and the team is down to one man who seems to be avoiding most of the flak.
Bullshit Billy has almost totally destroyed EFC with his "old pals act" shareholding to enable him to maintain control,4 chief exec’s, record debts and false promises.
In 50 years of following the blues I have never seen such confusion and division from the supporters.
Instead of the "searching for investment 24/7" and "fortress sports fund" bullshit he should have sold out years ago when Paul Gregg questioned his competence as Chairman of our once proud club.
He says the club is up for sale now but you wont see any sign of that unless there is a supporter’s backlash like with Johnson.
For the first time,even though we’ve been close before I see the championship looming because the current crop of players are not "relegation battler’s".
Kenwright needs to go quickly and I suspect Moyes is now beyond redemption.
78 Posted 29/09/2008 at 17:48:10
McFadden had alot of games at both left midfield and as a striker and alot of time he flattered to decieve. I could name alot of games in his natural position (centre forward) where he was awful and proved nothing whatsoever.
Suddenly I’m so leniant? I’ve always rated Osman and always will do. In his natural position (centre midfield) he’s proven himself to be a consistent performer. As I said name we the bad games he’s played when he’s been played in the middle. Everyone I ask struggles to come up with more than one.
On the wing and as a second striker Osman is average, as a centre midfielder he’s a very capable player, I’d definatly have him in our first choice starting eleven.
79 Posted 29/09/2008 at 19:31:51
I do however believe that while critisism of Moyes’s tactics/team selection is fair enough, calls for his sacking and claims that he is beyond redemtion are complete and utter shite.
During his time in charge he has given us our pride back. I’m to young to remember the 80’s team so last seasons campaign was the best in my living memory (1995 aside) and I was absolutely over the moon with some of last seasons performances. SK Brann and the Sunderland game spring to mind.
I feel Davey has done more than enough to earn our patience through this difficult patch. I can honestly say I’m proud to have Moyes as our manager and I’m certain he will guide us back on track over the coming weeks, talk of relegation is absolute shite.
Oh and those slagging off Leon Osman IMHO don’t know a proper footballer when they see one
80 Posted 29/09/2008 at 20:19:30
David Moyes, who has gone on to be a real success with Everton, was in his first permanent managerial position back then, as Sheridan is at Oldham now. In Gregan’s experience, both are ambitious, like to get the ball down and play with width and always look to try to win a game, never simply to avoid defeat. And both are extremely passionate. If that occasionally lands them in trouble, then so be it, reckons Gregan, better than Sven-Goran Eriksson "who looks like his granny has just passed away".
81 Posted 29/09/2008 at 20:39:14
Our team is crap, and the Manager a dour muppet, but by God there’s always the fans to cherish!
82 Posted 29/09/2008 at 21:05:19
Hibbert’s selection was a joke as from early on he was a yard short when closing down and tackling, he was also coming inside too often (something he always does). He can’t pass nor can he cross a ball.
The one true wide player we have is never going to get a game (Shandy Andy). So what is the answer, well maybe the much maligned 5-3-2 with wing backs.
Before you cry tears of laughter, give it a thought. We have three quality centre halves, so play them all there, bring Baines in on the Left, Neville on the right.
We get Arteta in the middle where he can hurt teams with Screech and Castillo and then the joy of two strikers. Yak and Saha/Vaughan.
Only problem is that we have to pass the ball on the deck with this and i fear that they are too scared to try it.
83 Posted 29/09/2008 at 23:39:15
I only wish I was wrong because I feel he was very suited to Everton given our "upstairs" situation but as time has gone on with his contract unsigned and his inability to motivate himself never mind the players I feel it is too late to save him.
I do not want him to go but feel we are fast approaching the day when it is beyond his or our choice.
84 Posted 30/09/2008 at 00:22:11
85 Posted 30/09/2008 at 00:10:59
I always suspecte there was a NANCY boy around there somewhere too!!!
We shall overcome could perhaps become our motto as we strive towards our royal blue horizon.
I too believe corpral Moyes should be relieved of his duties.
Bring on Captain Crummond!!!
86 Posted 29/09/2008 at 23:14:29
You lot just can’t seem to grasp that it is the manner in which we capitulate to top 4 sides that inevitably leads to looking beyond the performance over 90 minutes i.e. Why does Moyes persist with such transparent and fruitless tactics.?
I mean,it’s not as if he’s ever had a result against the elite playing 4-5-1 is it?
Lee Molton,just one of many, talks of last season’s 5th place finish,a semi-final appearance in the Carling Cup and a run in Europe as a defence for the indefensible.
He must have forgotton how the last two ended.... badly.The Fiorentina tie was lost in the 1st leg when Moyes was out-thought and therefore his team was out-played.The level of ambition on show against Chelsea in the semi (who at the time had a few other items on their plate) was there for all to see.... zero,the old let’s not concede ffs.So that leaves 5th place ... hmm... best of the rest and a EUFA cup competition that our squad numbers could hardly be less prepared for.
Fast forward to Saturday’s derby and the capitulation is complete.Even the most ardent RS would not claim they played well.Again it pains me to say,but it is the manner of these defeats that points the finger crucially at the manager.
Doom and gloom pervades because DM is appearing in his own movie of ’Groundhog Day’ and has proved to me at least,that he has learned nothing about how to get a result against these top sides.
Added to this is the lack of willing investment,uncertainty re the ground,players brought in at the death and expected to perform in one of the most competitive leagues around and finally,a board that is rapidly becoming a laughing stock as debt builds in a sport that will prove not to be recession proof sooner rather than later.
So for all you "give it time - it was like this last season" posters forgive me if I don’t share your blind faith in a bankrupt coach.
Apart from our club motto the only Latin I ever learned was ’tempus fugit’ ... well Davey boy time has flown and it hasn’t been much fun either.
Maybe you can see it is time to go before our grand old club slips away into a place where coming back from will be challenging to say the least.
87 Posted 30/09/2008 at 10:44:48