The late MP and all round serial womaniser and wit Alan Clark once said, ?It is always easier to extol the virtues of a hypothetical alternative than to justify a cautious and disappointing reality." Well, I will give it a try anyway.
David Moyes is the reason for Everton being where they are, by that I mean the best of the rest. Not good enough for you? No, of course, we're Everton, we have a club motto that demands the best.
It demands it true, but of course is far from the case. We all know there are clubs in better positions be it financially, geographically, institutionally, with bigger squads and higher kudos for signings yet they finishing below us every season. Why then do we expect over the course of the season to go even further and break up the top 4, all among the top 8 teams in Europe therefore the world, and all of whom have recently become Champions League winners and finalists? Well, we do, and I will tell you why. It is down to David Moyes.
It is up for argument of course that his failings have cost us a top 4 berth in the past, though he is the only manager to have managed this since this top four elite came about. It is close to impossible for any team to take this step up, yet here we are demanding it. We had by all accounts had a good season last year and Liverpool a poor one, yet they finish 11 points better off. Given what Moyes said about £100m after the derby, that's about £9m per point spent by Liverpool on transfer fees to gain that margin. And they really did spend that much!
David Moyes's record at Everton is rightly revered by teams around the land. One thing though I am never in favour of is that former glories (or such) mean that a manager has a right to prolong his career at a club when it is not working out. There's no place for sympathy with who is in charge, only retrospectively once he's gone. So where does that thinking support David Moyes at this moment?
Managers are employed to bring out not only the potential of the squad but hopefully more. The old 110% adage perhaps. But being nine games into a season, 6 in the league, is not enough to know that things are not working out in the grand scheme of things. It only shows they are not working out right now.
With all that Moyes has done with the club, showing what a good manager he is by allowing us to in the very least have great expectations, he should not only be given, but rightly expect the opportunity to use his skills to turn around a current bad situation and bring back winning ways before the ever helpful knee-jerk reactionaries start calling for his job. This is not sympathy, this is common sense.
With the chopping and changing of Premier League managers approaching the turn-over seen on the continent maybe we have forgot that managers can turn bad situations around. Has not David Moyes done this before then had us finish 4th?
I love Everton and I love (in a thoroughly manly hetro way) David Moyes. My support are one and the same for him and the club and my pleasure to see Everton succeed, to be nothing but the best, would be in equal measure for the club and David Moyes as a person. I do this because he has thus far earned it. I don't understand Neville in the middle, or the hoof-ball or his 60th minute substitutions in every game, but I do know that a team striving to get somewhere in this modern era of football have to forgo style to gain results. He will install the change in Everton that will see us happy once again.
No more untried 16-year-olds in the centre. We have our key players back to fitness and playing together for the first time since the end of last season. Things will change, hopefully against Newcastle, maybe not against Man Utd and Arsenal, but that is what sporting competition is about. You need to fight hardest when you're down. And if you agreed with the opening line, then you want to throw away all that Moyes is, simply for a justification for your anger.
I'm with Moyes and I know a hell of lot of others are too.
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1 Posted 03/10/2008 at 15:34:20
Villa, City, Christ, even Hull & look to be in better shap than we are, is this a serious article, if so, can I have some of what you are having please cos it must be potent.
My hand is in the air, and I know a lot of others will be too.
2 Posted 03/10/2008 at 15:40:56
We know Cahill can?t pass, PN can?t pass, and Osman can?t pass. Who knew Arteta?s skills would break down so much that he can?t get the ball over the first defender on corners and frees? I was stunned by the game. And to those who say we can now concentrate on the league by being out of the cup...are you out of your mind? Let?s lose so we can concentrate on staying up? How about if we win.
I love Moyes for what he has done, but he is no longer capable of pulling us out of the nosedive. This is a horrible time to be an Everton supporter. And it will only get worse because the fear that we put in the eyes of our opponents is now gone. Unfortunately, he has to go, and he has to go soon. Thanks for all you have done and the excitement you brought all of us. But, it?s time. That was horrible.
3 Posted 03/10/2008 at 15:44:07
Very well written. I’m totally with you.
You are not a Doddy.... trying to paint it white or putting a positive spin on it. Because it is NOT good at the moment. In fact it’s pretty piss poor.
But David Moyes has earned respect. We stick with him and support him. He has come through hard times before and now he has to dig deep and sort this one out.
4 Posted 03/10/2008 at 15:58:49
sorry. Couldnt help it.
5 Posted 03/10/2008 at 15:59:24
6 Posted 03/10/2008 at 16:08:02
Not having a go at you bud, just don’t agree with a lot of what you say.
I don’t think Moyes can take us any further than he has, also, I don’t wanna end up hating him cos he has been good for us in the main but his stock is falling rapidly with every dire showing that we put on.
We are not the ’best of the rest’, simple as that Nick.
7 Posted 03/10/2008 at 16:07:11
8 Posted 03/10/2008 at 16:18:24
He?s the manager, a pretty overrated one at that.
The fans are ?more? Everton than he will ever be - remember the fans will be there long after Moyes has gone - hopefully, these days.....
9 Posted 03/10/2008 at 16:29:29
Wins against the barcodes, better off showing it to the Everton team on how to win a game!
10 Posted 03/10/2008 at 16:20:57
Things are admittedly not good. The performances have not been up to scratch and there is obviously problems all over the pitch. Out of two cups by October a poor pre season and poor league results tell the story so I won’t go on....
BUT Moyes has earnt the right to put this right and does not deserve a knee jerk reaction from fans that have probably seen the best Everton team in the last 20 years under him. 4th 6th and 5th in the last few seasons does make us ’the best of the rest’ despite some snide comments to the contrary and we should have respect for that at least.
We are 6 games into a season and will probably lose 2 of the next 3 meaning it will look worse still in a few weeks. Despite this it can turn around and Moyes should allowed the time to sort this mess out.
Remember we are not Newcastle ffs.
11 Posted 03/10/2008 at 16:16:01
If You look at the Bench nobody stood out as a player with the potential to change the game, there are those who will point to Pienar (but He was not match fit) and Yes Anichebe coming on lead to the Goal, but He does not possess the Guile or pace that was required that James Vaughan (when fit offers us).
Liege allowed us to play the ball around and keep possession in area?s of the park that did not seriously affect them, they were also able to work more effectively as a unit ? something that our defence this season has not!!
Jagielka was the only person in a Blue shirt to come out of lasts nights game with any credit, Hibberts lack of awareness for the first goal was on par with Schoolboy football.
We had lost this game before we had even started due to the fact that there is disharmony in the camp, I have on very good authority (from somebody that works for a number of the players) that they are unhappy with (A)- Moyes not signing his contract- (B). the inclusion of Neville in midfield and also it would appear that a certain Philip Green has more control than We would be led to believe.
During the Transfer deal that took Felliani to Everton ? I was told that Moyes was summonsed to a Hotel in London, where Green & Kenwright were brokering the deal with the Belgians (so much for all this ??We have been tracking him for a while??) Moyes knew nothing!!!
more worrying was the fact that Felliani did not want to leave Liege ? in fact, He did not know who Everton were or where We resided. He was only swayed when He was told that He would be earning £50k a week.
I have to ask Myself on hearing this who realy is running Everton FC and I can understand Moyes?s frustrations. Until we sort things out at the top - we are on a rocky road to nowhere!!
12 Posted 03/10/2008 at 16:39:17
All those people calling for Moyes head - Would any other manager have bought any different players in the close season? Would they have bought anyone sooner?
Short answers are "unlikely" and "unlikely". There were limited alternative players to purchase in the time frame left after the money was made available so late in the day.
The team selection is certainly up for debate however Phil Neville does have the most experience of the current Everton squad and for that reason I can see why Moyes chose him to be captain. Moyes probably does need to change that and is possibly viewing it in the same light as he did David Weir.
Anyone know if right back Jacobson is still around??
In all that?s been said SOMETHING needs to change but the question is what can MOYES change rather than changing Moyes.
13 Posted 03/10/2008 at 16:50:27
Some of them aren’t up to Premier standard and too many of them as are are way off form. It is Moyes’ job to put that right and I would give him until Christmas to do so.No longer.
14 Posted 03/10/2008 at 17:13:39
And it is over for DM. he seemingly has lost his players. If you look at the Derby and this game together, you?d have to admit that things haven?t been this dire in a number of years. Two horrible performances. Two horrible tactical mismatches. And why would a club pay 15 million for a midfielder AND agree to not use him in a competition against his old club?
15 Posted 03/10/2008 at 17:08:55
16 Posted 03/10/2008 at 17:23:39
He’s cup tied that Fellaini fella, but don’t you think that Moyes deserves the right to turn this around? Rather than pay for the situation with his job, he shoulders the responsibility to change it? Does he not have the ability, shown through his tenure to do this? It may be yes, it may be no, but allow him none the less.
Besides, all this is pointless as we know BW aint sacking him !!
17 Posted 03/10/2008 at 17:40:59
18 Posted 03/10/2008 at 18:04:54
Or, why not support a man who has stuck with us, despite the moaning from the fans, the lack of funds from a board and the uncertainty over a new ground. He would probably walk into a job at most other PL clubs, maybe he might even get he Man U, after all Ferguson wanted him as his number 2. He has his shortcomings for sure, but I’ll take his grit, loyalty and bottle over, say Keegan’s footballing nous and total lack of balls.
19 Posted 03/10/2008 at 18:18:18
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26 Posted 03/10/2008 at 20:11:28
Your heart’s in the right place, but the brain appears to have gone walkabout. The logic of this extract escapes me:
"I don’t understand Neville in the middle, or the hoof-ball or his 60th minute substitutions in every game, but I do know that a team striving to get somewhere in this modern era of football have to forgo style to gain results."
Checked the results recently?
27 Posted 03/10/2008 at 20:07:49
I do think if you lose the players (an who actually is playing BETTER than in the past?)...then it is time to go. He is stubborn and not at all creative. Our players, because of small squad size, face NO competition for a place. Do you think Tony Hibbert off his performance Saturday was worthy of inclusion last night?
28 Posted 03/10/2008 at 20:10:51
Last night was shit. But. But last night was not made last night, it was made two weeks ago in leg 1. Liege knew we had to press up the pitch to try and score and knew a counter attacking strategy was the best plan. Luckily counter attacking is their forte.
Liege are not a bad team and good at counter attacking, forcing a win in tose circumstances against them was a tall order and we weren't up to it. A little luck and we could have done it but we didn't. It was lost in the first leg two weeks ago, yesterday was a window into the past. A mediocre performance made to look awful by the context.
Reasons to be cheerful: Injury list has shrunk, injured players getting back to match fitness. Saha looks to have quality. Yakubu and Saha are potentially lethal. Castillo looks decent except for his English, which, in that role in the middle, is crucial to helping the team play as a team. His english will be getting better all the time, I hope they have a good teacher with him and not just a translator.
Fellaini has shown flashes and could still turn out to be the closest thing to a complete midfielder we are likely to get in the realist near future.
Saha and yak has great theoretical potential but that means 442. Cahill cant do 442. We can only do 442 if we find a completeish midfielder. If fellaini comes through as that, we are laughing. We have noone else who could be the complete midfielder we need to make 442 work.
Without 442..... saha or yak sita out and back to last years team minus Carsley plus Castillo. Carsley was great but finished. Castillo has potential to be twice the player carsley was, though he is half the player now.
Guys, now is the time to support not revolt. Fellaini, Castillo and Saha could all help us be better than we have been in the last 20 years but it is too soon to tell. This is what they call a transitionary period. Bloody painful one but transitionary all the same.
If you want the team to get better, join me in some blind faith and get behind the team, pushing the negative to the back of your mind. Give them time and then if they fail us, join me in unleasing furious anger at betrayal of faith.
COME ON YOU BLUES
COME ON YOU BLUES
COME ON YOU BLUES
We don't care what the red shite say...
29 Posted 03/10/2008 at 20:47:31
DM clearly wasn’t happy with a lot of what happened in the summer, but didn’t start rocking the boat and screaming about how it wasn’t his fault. Now, when things are not going anywhere near great, he’s not doing a runner when there are probably places for him to go.
Although I don’t agree with everything you said Nick, we have to give DM some credit for his loyalty,no matter if costs £17.5m for 5 years.
Right now, I can’t think of another manager who could get us out of this situation any better or quicker than Moyes.
30 Posted 03/10/2008 at 20:50:04
There is certainly something that doesn’t add up about this deal.
31 Posted 03/10/2008 at 21:03:32
And Hibbert? Yeah strange one mainly because we had Castillo available. But like the article says I don?t get why he puts Nev in the middle...
32 Posted 03/10/2008 at 21:05:18
David Moyes is not playing a football management simulator where you build up your team year upon year and everything goes smoothly. This is real life, things don’t always go to plan and that’s the beauty of sport.
We are going through a real sticky patch right now but I honestly cannot think of many managers I would rather have to get us back on track than David Moyes.
We will get through this and continue our our steady progression mark my words. As long as Moysie stays at the helm we’ll be okay.
Season starts Sunday
33 Posted 03/10/2008 at 21:24:27
I?m not sure why your identification of club with man (a false one) should be the foundation of a new modus operandi: we increase your salary and tenure the worse the results get. Is it just a case of "And always hole on tight to nurse, for fear of finding something worse"?
34 Posted 03/10/2008 at 21:27:25
The manager has delivered 4th , 11th, 6th ,and 5th place to us in the last 4 years on a shoestring budget compared to many others. He will take us through this period .
Every Evertonian with common sense must have known back in mid August that we were going to struggle until all the injured and new players were back or settled . It was staring you in the face that we didnt have the squad to compete . Moyes new this and the one mistake he made was that he held on to his principles re quality additions - and we all know the Board completely let him down . But Moyes also knows that as the manager he should have addressed this and brought in the players quicker than he did. He wanted better players to make progress this season and this is where we’ve failed.
Its like starting again but I’m sure come May we’ll be up there 5-7th place again. We dont have a devine right to be Top 4 , we dont have billionaires queuing up to buy us , as many articles on this web seem to think . The game isnt played on a level playing field anymore and the days when anyone could win competions have gone . It isn’t fair and the msitakes were made 15 years ago and we are still paying the price.There’s nothing we can do to radically change it other than support the true best of the rest . Our time will come again .
35 Posted 04/10/2008 at 01:16:15
Its a strange world being an Everton fan we finished fifth last year yet some of the posts on this forum would have you believe this is the worst period in the club’s history. I remember the day we sold Rooney and the day we lost 4 - 0 to Arsenal with Slaven Bilic playing centre mid and Tony Adams waltzing through our defence to seal the title for Arsenal. We are light years ahead of those 2 periods in the not too distant past.
While I agree we should not be looking backwards it is important we should not lose our sense of perspective as football is all about margins. We have played worse football than in the last 2 matches before and won and even on occassions played extremely well and lost.
David Moyes’ single best quality is his ability turn a few good results into a long and usually unexpected run of form. That is what he has done in all but 1 of the years he has had in charge of our club.
While none of us like the style of football that is being played at the moment it will bring a result sooner or later and in my opinion is far more likely to get a result for a team low on confidence such as ourselves than a more expansive game that is being called for by many quarters. I despair at the liberal use of the word ’hoofball’ that gets bandied around this site to undermine the current regime. I implore anyone on this site to try coaching a football team and improve their results by simplying playing ’better’ football, unfortunately the game is not that simple even at a local level. So please do not use bad football as a criticism of David Moyes as his football teams have played as good as football as anyone in the league when results are going well.
We need to retain patience and a sense of perspective. Arsenal are the best footballing team in Europe yet they are not league champions or have not challenged for a number of seasons. Here is the reason why - direct football works! Some posters on this site seem to think that changing our style of play will magically transform our season, well unfortunately this is just not the case and will in fact just add to our problems.
Please keep faith in our manager - the one reason we have had any reason to rejoice in our recent past.
36 Posted 04/10/2008 at 03:03:57
However, something has gone seriously wrong this summer. I don?t know who is to blame but the lack of signings and the lateness of the signings has seriously fucked up the start of our season. Our chance of a decent season is slipping quickly from our fingers which is all the more annoying given we finished 5th last year.
For me, its not the results themselves or the style of play although both are galling. It?s the fact that we are in this position through lack of planning and diligence. The manager/board have taken their eye off the ball. Why did they spend the whole summer looking for big name players and build up everyone?s expectations? Personally, I would have signed at least one solid premiership midfielder or an up coming championship player and Manny Fernandes early so that they get a preseason with us. After that, if you pick up another midfielder then thats icing on the cake.
Similarly, why has the manager?s contract dragged on for the whole summer? FFS, sign it now or better still leave til next summer and we?ll see if you deserve one.
37 Posted 04/10/2008 at 07:17:03
At least someone has a real perspective of things going on at the moment. It cost us dear not signing players early enough in pre-season, I dont know and neither does anyone else as to why that was. However, here we are, we will string together some wins to put us back up the table, and we all know that, we have enough good players that are more than capable.
We need to pull together at the moment. Moyes is still learning and I accept that because our squad continues to get stronger each season... and within the next few years I still believe that under Moyes management we will compete with the top teams. In Moyes I trust!!
38 Posted 04/10/2008 at 10:20:46
Frankly, I’m sick of this Moyes bashing; the team have been a bit dire of late, but for a long time that was the norm.
Moyes has given us back hope and expectations and I, for one, am truly grateful for that. With those expectations comes disappointment and I guess some of my fellow blues are feeling that at the moment, and I guess I should learn to respect that.
39 Posted 04/10/2008 at 11:33:38
Something is distracting him from the issues that need addressing and my bet is the frustration at the predicament Everton find themselves in. Namely, lack of finance, Desperation Kirkby, Billy Liar, and players not living up to their billing. If he has any pretentions at being a Premier League manager then he had better get his thumb out of his mouth and start affecting the one thing he is supposed to have control over and that is the performance on the pitch.
40 Posted 04/10/2008 at 13:26:09
41 Posted 04/10/2008 at 13:50:57
Long live the Moyesiah!
42 Posted 04/10/2008 at 14:26:30
43 Posted 05/10/2008 at 07:06:04
This season just highlights how our tactics are destined to send us to the bottom where our style of play deserves to be. Who wants to see the ball being punted upfield by overpaid hoofers?
If Moyes can?t deliver the passing game then he should go. I?d love him to stay and us to start winning but it ain't going to happen. No hard feelings Davey but we need to play football ? not hoofball.
44 Posted 05/10/2008 at 08:45:31
The standard of football being served up currently is appalling. And, usually, when that happens the buck has to has to stop with the manager and his coaching team.
I, for one, am not certain that Round is not complicit in this. From having one of the meanest defences last year, we seem to be giving goals away wholesale.
Just my thoughts.
45 Posted 05/10/2008 at 13:36:02
How many people have heard this argument being used?
Sounds quite inspiring doesn’t it? Nothing but the Best is good enough...fortunately, they weren’t able to nab this particular motto!
Anyway, look where they are now...in my eyes they are actually further behind than they were then. Yes, they’ve won an FA cup and Champions League under Beneathus. However, the one trophy that every RS wants (cue bleating from Stevie Me every September) is the Premier League and that’s the one that seems to be drifting further and further from them.
What has this to do with Everton? Absolutely nothing, just don’t keep using them as a template or example for us.....even during the dark days of Kendall 3 I didn’t want to copy them - and we’re a lot better off now!
The only way to win things in modern football is to spend lots of money. The only way to ensure that you stay at the top is to spend loads, year on year. For those that quote Arsenal as the blueprint of how it should be done, I’d like to see the list of trophies that they have won...I think you’ll find they haven’t won anything in almost half a decade. In fact, when they did win trophies, they had spent more than their rivals. Bergkamp, Overmars, Petit and Viera came in multi-million pound deals at a time when £3 million midfielders were considered expensive.
I’ve written elsewhere that the true problem that faces our current squad is threefold. Firstly, there is no strength in depth. Secondly, the players do not possess strength when faced with adversity. Thirdly, they lack confidence in each others abilities when under the cosh.
I sincerely believe that Moyes should be able to solve the last two points. It should be based on this whether his services are retained or not....not based upon his ability to "crack the Sky 4".
46 Posted 05/10/2008 at 15:50:45
When you’re bringing home the pennies for your Mrs and kids I hope they judge you in the same way that you judge DM, and the fact that you didnt quite bring enough money home to buy caviar this week must mean that you’ll be buying Razzle and Haribo for weeks.
47 Posted 11/10/2008 at 16:16:22