Why do I refer to him as Joseph? Well,having watched his articulate, contrite, disarmingly honest and tangibly genuine mea culpa interview on the box, I'm convinced he's ready to turn the corner. Can those who would object, find it in them, to turn the other cheek?
We currently have the worst defence in the division, with a worrying statistic of having shipped 18 goals in the 8 matches played. Not great. Whilst Barton isn't a defender per se, our defenders are not unanimously to blame for this alarming state of affairs. Fact is, teams are not afraid of us, and we are being knocked over far too easily and if our situation worsens then, come January, I would like Moyes to swoop for the above-mentioned Barcode misfit.
If we get dragged in to a bottom-eight dogfight, who do you think would be more willing to shed blood, sweat and tears for the Everton cause? Screech Fellaini? Phil (what am I doing in midfield?) Neville? Andy van der Vodka? Mikel (not the face) Arteta? Segundo Castillo anyone? Or, a boyhood Blue who could be the next Peter Reid??
We live in an advanced society wherein those who have gone astray are given the opportunity for rehabilitation and redemption, and football reflects many of our core values, one example being the Kick Out Racism campaign. Surely, as Evertonians, we should be campaigning to have more of our own (Evertonians) in the side, reflecting our passion, fighting (no pun) for the Royal Blue shirt, and sending an example to the sociopathic youths in our own city: Namely that, with reflection, purpose and support, people can change for the better.
Add to that, he's a damn good player, who I believe would give his all, work hard, impress us, and would be a natural figurehead on the pitch.
Newcastle is a graveyard for Premier League footballers, and a histrionic joke of a football club. Barton has atrophied up there, and it's a waste....
Hope those of a certain vintage enjoyed the Floyd reference in the title!!!!
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1 Posted 23/10/2008 at 14:42:42
2 Posted 23/10/2008 at 14:52:54
We should Judge footballers on their football. If you judge them on anything more than that, well the vast majority of us would be up in arms!
If he is showing remorse and regret, then fair play to the lad.
I wouldn?t mind seeing him playing for Everton.
3 Posted 23/10/2008 at 15:14:28
4 Posted 23/10/2008 at 15:17:41
Would be as welcome at Everton as a fart in a wetsuit.
5 Posted 23/10/2008 at 15:14:36
6 Posted 23/10/2008 at 15:19:19
It?s interesting that you should mention the Keep Racism out of Football campaign in the same article as one urging a bid for Joey Barton. You must not be aware of the comments Joey is "alleged" to have made to Evertonians touring the Far East regarding the presence of black players at Goodison Park.
I sincerely hope that we would not even consider bringing him "home".
7 Posted 23/10/2008 at 15:23:06
8 Posted 23/10/2008 at 15:20:59
I agree with the article. We?re sorely lacking players with spirit and determination, and Barton has no shortage of either. Give him a chance.
9 Posted 23/10/2008 at 15:27:36
10 Posted 23/10/2008 at 15:27:08
11 Posted 23/10/2008 at 15:25:02
I think we would benefit from his footballing style; including the on-field - controlled - aggression, but I’m not convinced about his recent commitment to control his off-the-pitch behaviour.
Then again, I can’t help thinking about the Cantona episode. And perhaps Joe Kinnear (who looks like a "mini-me" for Tommy Walsh these days) doesn’t want to let him go. He is exactly the kind of player that he used to go for in the old Dons team.
12 Posted 23/10/2008 at 15:32:59
I do agree we are missing a "Peter Reid" in the middle of the park. But please there must be someone other than Barton.
13 Posted 23/10/2008 at 15:34:13
14 Posted 23/10/2008 at 15:41:29
We are certainly are lacking some steel in midfield we have yet to replace Carsley?
I am sure, at the right price etc, he could be worth a shout.
15 Posted 23/10/2008 at 15:48:54
As Barton has stated himself, he’s had more chances than anyone deserves -
He is not an example of what you cite above, and you do a grave disservice to those who are by holding this mega rich scumbag up as a reformed character.
No fuckin way.
16 Posted 23/10/2008 at 15:38:07
? Assaulted a 15 year old Evertonian in Thailand
? Assaulted someone in Church Street at 5am in the morning
? Stubbed a cigar out in a fellow team mates eye
? Broke the cheekbone of another fellow player during a training session
And to cap it all he is decidedly average.
Did you see his interview on Inside Sport last year when he appeared ever so contrite and full of remorse? You could see Gabby Yorath welling up as she heard Barton?s hard luck story, three weeks later some poor bastard is having a very ?unhappy meal? outside Mc Donald?s on Church Street at 5am.
Do me a favour the guy is a thug who spends more time on a psychiatrist's couch than Woody Allen. We might be having a bit of tough time at the moment but suggesting we sign this emotionally stunted knobhead as a solution really takes some beating. Kevin, to even begin to class Barton in the same terms as Peter Reid is heresy.
Fuck me, any other felons that we should sign up to scare the opposition what about Curtis Warren into between the posts? Kev lay off the Floyd it is obviously messing with your head. Evertonians, let's have a little more class than welcoming this beaut.
17 Posted 23/10/2008 at 15:57:25
Man City and Newcastle should have sacked this player, I know if it happened on the shop floor there would be no way back for the person involved, but its a footballer, with a value and a contract so nothing happens. What about Lee Hughes ? good goalscorer, the list is endless, but I for one would never set foot in Goodison again if we ever went down this route and I have followed Everton for 50 years.
Respect for yourself is more important than support for any football team.
18 Posted 23/10/2008 at 16:12:20
19 Posted 23/10/2008 at 16:17:28
20 Posted 23/10/2008 at 16:28:19
21 Posted 23/10/2008 at 16:40:31
22 Posted 23/10/2008 at 17:09:10
fair & square
would NUFC let him go
23 Posted 23/10/2008 at 16:58:43
Why did we get not a penny for Carsley when he has 2 years left at least. We?ve just been stung for £15m trying to replace him. All this "let's give him a free to his hometown club for his good service" has backfired just like that fart in the wet suit. As for Barton?
24 Posted 23/10/2008 at 17:24:23
25 Posted 23/10/2008 at 17:33:46
He is a coward and a scumbag
26 Posted 23/10/2008 at 17:27:11
Why is it that JB is banned for 15 games and called a thug for smacking a team mate in training [its been going on for years] yet when Jolly Hockey sticks Josh Lewsey sparks Cipriano in a Rugby Union training session its all good because thats what Rugby chaps do. Typical double standards of the English press. JB isn't the first tearaway to play football and he wont be the last.
Lee Hughes the West Brom player killed someone when he was drunk at the wheel of his car and is now playing again. Far worse crime than anything Joey Barton has done.
Let's take George Best, a drunken wife beater of a lager lout who continually missed training and let down his club.. So smashed out of his brains that he retires at 26 and ruins his liver then another liver donated to him by some poor family's kindness because he is a drunken Gobshite Arsehole and he is some kind of cult hero and the darling of the media when he dies.
Can it be JB is a young Scouser from the wrong side of the tracks and Best has Man Utd connections that the media have different opinions of these two people. Even Eric Cantona is another media darling and this twat left the pitch to Kung Fu kick a fan at Crystal Palace during a game. The King they call this Tosser.
I hope JB does come here at least he will get stuck in and add some much needed fight out on the pitch. Whatever happened to giving someone a break when they are down?
If you knew the kind of life JB has had you wouldnt be so quick to judge the lad. He has done well to escape the St Johns estate in Huyton and keep himself in one piece. Give me JB over the Osmans and Pienaars of this world any day.
27 Posted 23/10/2008 at 17:52:09
Your comments re: George Best - a bit harsh mate, completley different scenario
28 Posted 23/10/2008 at 17:51:27
29 Posted 23/10/2008 at 17:48:46
I can see Ciaran’s point and in fact until recently I would have agreed with him.I think it was Dave Wilson who asked are all of us who critisised Barton perfect ourselves,(apologies Dave if it wasn’t you.Anyway,it set me thinking and I believe he deserves another chance.I honestly don’t believe he’s that good but I said the same about Carsley.
He is,however,a scouser with something to prove and that’ll do for me.A loan deal doesn’t involve much risk and I have a feeling he might just turn it around.Big Dunc was a loveable rogue.JB is certainly not loveable but I would hope that Evertonians can believe that redemption is possible for any one.Plus we’re going to need him because we are going to be in a relegation dogfight/
30 Posted 23/10/2008 at 17:55:02
If that horrible scumbag came to our club then we will truly be in the gutter.
Give him a chance?
31 Posted 23/10/2008 at 17:58:58
32 Posted 23/10/2008 at 17:59:40
Or, you could look at it in the light of, look what you can be convicted of and yet still claim all the rewards associated with being a PL footballer. In essence, you can do what you want and it doesn’t matter.
He’s not someone who’s wander of the straight and narrow, he’s driven a tank straight if the road and through someone’s front window.
33 Posted 23/10/2008 at 17:54:01
Not exactly the type of player that I would expect Moyes to go for.
Castillo, given a run at it can more than fill the Harry Hill role.
Is the fink still not banned from entering Merseyside ? I bloody well hope so.
34 Posted 23/10/2008 at 17:48:36
Does anyone really feel that he is fit to wear the same royal blue shirt worn by players like Hickson Labone and Ratcliffe?
35 Posted 23/10/2008 at 18:10:49
Thats typical of some Evertonians response,s to most things these days.If you cant think of anthing better to say call em a Kopite. Nice one
36 Posted 23/10/2008 at 18:12:01
Thats all I’m going to say, otherwise I will get into trouble for saying what I really feel (and that would also include those who would happily accept him into the team...)
37 Posted 23/10/2008 at 18:14:20
Not a typical response, merely a mistake on my behalf.
If he?s a Blue he has a strange way of showing it and has more problems than I thought.
38 Posted 23/10/2008 at 18:29:59
39 Posted 23/10/2008 at 18:38:38
"Can it be JB is a young Scouser from the wrong side of the tracks and Best has Man Utd connections that the media have diffrent opinions of these two people. Even Eric Cantona is a nother media darling and this twat left the pitch to Kung Fu kick a fan at Crystal Palace during a game. The King they call this Tosser."
Joey Barton (putting aside his personal problems for one moment) is an average player at best. George Best was one of the greatest players of his generation. Eric Cantona was a key player in Manchester United?s revival. Joey Barton would not come close to Cantona?s influence and would not be fit to lace the boots of George Best the player. A someone who has been with Everton through good and bad times since 1964 I wouldn?t applaud Barton in our colours. If you think that Moyes and Kenwright should go then Barton would be the final straw for many Moyes/Kenwright supporters......
40 Posted 23/10/2008 at 18:41:55
Barton is no angel and probably never will be, neither was Maradona, but many players have re-invented themselves after coming through hard times. That's all I am saying.
41 Posted 23/10/2008 at 18:45:10
I would like to think that my principles would come at a higher price than that!
There are many people in this city who have come from "the wrong side of the tracks" and gone on to achieve great things, earning a fraction of the wage that Mr Barton earns, some of them doing it for fuck all. If £60k a week doesn?t make you behave then £40k @ Everton certainly won't.
When I see the likes of Mr Barton getting up at 5am in the morning to help @ the local hospital or old people's home then I?ll believe that he has changed, until then forget it.
But dont insult real Evertonians by believing we would accept anything just to be successful, because we wont.
42 Posted 23/10/2008 at 18:31:05
Incidentally, for what it’s worth, if I or anyone who visits this site committed just one of the ’indiscretions’ that have littered Joey Barton’s career, we’d have been sacked and probably incarcerated a lot quicker.
43 Posted 23/10/2008 at 19:08:17
44 Posted 23/10/2008 at 19:20:03
You described Barton as a ’young scouser from the wrong side of the tracks’ . As many well informed contributers to this site tell us, you can only be a scouser if you are from the City of Liverpool. As he’s from Huyton (not in the City) I wondered why you called him a scouser.
Quite simple really.
45 Posted 23/10/2008 at 19:41:50
46 Posted 23/10/2008 at 19:38:05
I know he is an Evertonian, and I also know Hibbert is a kopite.
So let’s knock that one on the head.
47 Posted 23/10/2008 at 19:55:10
I really can’t believe anyone on here would want Barton playing for us, ridiculous, I don’t give a shite how good he was or is, do none of your have any respect for this club anymore?????
48 Posted 23/10/2008 at 19:44:02
have you never done wrong, ?
no offence, but I’m wondering what sort of character it takes to make such a very definite judgement on others.
49 Posted 23/10/2008 at 19:57:41
50 Posted 23/10/2008 at 19:41:53
A better player is Jimmy Bullard. Much better all round player, great positive player on the pitch and in the dressing room, a leader and character who won’t disrupt a dressing room. Probably cheaper transfer fee and wages.
Bullard is what we need for a bit of steel and character with underrated footballing abilities.
51 Posted 23/10/2008 at 20:05:39
funnily enough, no, I’ve never assaulted someone and gone to prison for it.
52 Posted 23/10/2008 at 20:00:47
53 Posted 23/10/2008 at 19:57:47
Of late, you and I have been reading from the same page with regards to our feelings over the club currently being shite and Moyes being clueless, however, you saying;
"Why is it that JB is banned for 15 games and called a thug for smacking a team mate in training[its been going on for years] yet when Jolly Hockey sticks Josh Lewsey sparks Cipriano in a Rugby Union training session its all good because thats what Rugby chaps do.Typical double standards of the English press.JB isnt the first tearawayto play football and he wont be the last".
...just does not make sense. Joey Barton stubbed a cigar out in a KID players eye, then, he twatted a CHILD in Liverpool city centre, a child who looked like he would have trouble beating Macauly Culkin in a fight in Home Alone (Have you seen the video of the assault?). It is not as straight forward as him hitting a team-mate (From behind) in training.
A few of mates have played Super League rugby for Widnes, Warrington, Leigh and St Helens and almost all rugby league players have fisticuffs in training and on nights out, it’s their culture as the sport is 100 times more aggressive and violent than football ever has been and ever will be. Rugby is about who wins the fight, literally on the pitch and often spills off it.
I just can’t see your point on this mate.
54 Posted 23/10/2008 at 20:07:30
Dave, I dont judge. I do think 12 people did, though. Thats enough for me, fella.
55 Posted 23/10/2008 at 20:08:06
Strangley enough most of us havent, but then thats not what I asked is it ?
are you whiter than white ?
56 Posted 23/10/2008 at 20:08:05
I fully agree with your first comment there but would you mind telling me how you know he will be arriving in January?
57 Posted 23/10/2008 at 20:21:50
Your right, 12 people did judge him, found him guilty and he was punished, but you want him punished again and again, I’ve never seen the footage, but people who I know and trust have told me its very bad,
My problem is, I heared a young lad saying he was sorry and asking for a last chance today, I’m just curious as to what kind of people want to deny him it
58 Posted 23/10/2008 at 20:43:26
59 Posted 23/10/2008 at 20:47:54
Joey Barton stubbed a cigar out in a KID players eye, then, he twatted a CHILD in Liverpool city centre, a child who looked like he would have trouble beating Macauly Culkin in a fight in Home Alone (Have you seen the video of the assault?). It is not as straight forward as him hitting a team-mate (From behind) in training.
How many ’last chances’ does this guy want?
3 strike rule has well and truly been passed by him don’t you think?
60 Posted 23/10/2008 at 20:38:07
@ Tony Marsh... its a first but I have to totally agree with your first comments.
However some two faceness here, big dunc was a thug when he came here. Fucking head butting someone on the pitch ain’t exactly roll model stuff. Im not sure if this is true, but, the rumours regarding his early days in stirling are pretty sad!! However he came here and made himself a legend to us all, but lets not forget so horrible incidents of strangling and big uppercuts!!! The only difference I see is Dunc was actually hard and Barton is more of a coward and shithouse.
Might be worth a dig at a cheap price.
61 Posted 23/10/2008 at 20:44:24
62 Posted 23/10/2008 at 21:07:42
63 Posted 23/10/2008 at 21:03:33
I know we’re desperate for players but not that desperate!!! Would you really want him to be detrmental and disruptive towards the rest of the squad where it would affect other players????
Reality check please!!!
64 Posted 23/10/2008 at 21:13:37
65 Posted 23/10/2008 at 20:47:10
You having a fucking laugh aren?t you? I don?t care whether Barton comes from the biggest family of Blues under the sun or how tough his upbringing was his behaviour is indefensible. I don?t expect footballers to be angels but he has four separate incidents of violent behaviour. It is no good showing remorse if you don?t change your behaviour it?s no good saying ?oh I fucked up again? and expect to be told its OK never mind. I am afraid the excuse that he lived in a tough part of the City and had a troubled childhood could apply to many people but the vast majority of them don?t go around stubbing out cigars in people?s faces or beating the shit out of people when they are prone on the ground.
I don?t care if he had the finesse of Kaka, the energy of Alan Ball and the ball control of Ronaldo it would still be the wrong decision to sign him. Repeated acts of violent behaviour do not deserve to be rewarded with a high profile place at football club least of all Everton. If I or many others had committed one of the offences or acts he had been involved in we would have lost our livelihood with no reprieve. There are simply some principles more important than football.
66 Posted 23/10/2008 at 21:23:00
I’d take him if he’d actually improve us, sadly I don’t think he would at all to be honest. He’s a decent box to box midfielder, nothing more nothing less.
The next Peter Reid......laughable to be honest. The only reason why he’s even mentioned is because he’s a scouser. Exactly the same situation like Kevin Nolan a few years ago. Alot of Evertonians still phone in one Radio Merseyside and claim the lads the next Stevie G.
We can do far better, hopefully we will.
67 Posted 23/10/2008 at 21:30:16
Please enlighten me. Ferguson did time for butting a player on the pitch, pretty harsh as many players have done that haven?t they. Yes Ferguson was a bit of a lad and sank a lot of ale it did not lead him to beat kids up though did it. His other notable act of violence was to sit on a burglar and twat him after he had broken into his house, fairly reasonable in my opinion. It?s hardly the same as Barton is it?
68 Posted 23/10/2008 at 21:44:49
69 Posted 23/10/2008 at 21:54:52
70 Posted 23/10/2008 at 21:54:05
You cant excuse what the lad has done in the past but look at the present situation we are in. We need steel and bite in the middle of the park, not a flock of lightweight fairies fucking about. Barton would do a job for us.
71 Posted 23/10/2008 at 21:37:43
72 Posted 23/10/2008 at 22:11:44
If someone came to your company/home for a job..someone say who was there to look after your kids...and you found out that he/she had several convictions for crimes (whether they be against children or not) that they’d done time for...
Would you hire them?????
NO YOU WOULDN’T...coz you wouldn’t want to take the chance would you....nuff said.
73 Posted 23/10/2008 at 21:56:07
It doesn’t matter where he’s from or what team he and his family support. He’s a thug. Worse than that he’s a coward. It’s in his blood, it’s the way he and his family are. That’s why half of them are banged up aswell.
I’m not saying that he doesn’t deserve a chance. His club NUFC have given his a chance. He already had a contract there. I don’t want him here. The bottom line is; there are so many better players out there. JB is not a talented footballer. I’d rather sign Nicky Butt or anyone else who knows how to get stuck in - as long as it’s not Barton.
Tony Marsh - he’d have Barton over Pienaar..... says it all really. Knob.
74 Posted 23/10/2008 at 22:07:24
Of all the opinions given hear, the most rediculous is yours Tony Marsh.
Everton are a little desperate at present and yes they could do with a Reid type player but Barton - No way.
Barton is an out an out thug and a coward. How can you compare Lewsey/ Cipriani to Barton/ Dabo. Lee hughes was a different case altogether. For one, it was his first offence and two, he seemed genuinely remorseful. So did Barton I hear you say, until the next time perhaps.
I am affraid Barton has had his last chace two or three times over so thanks but no thanks in January.
75 Posted 23/10/2008 at 22:15:44
But,how about another chance? He’s done his time and I believe that any one can change.One misdemeanour and he’s out.Is that not a fair offer to make?
One final point,if Everton had to beat Man Utd to stay in the premier league I’d have him in the team ahead of any of the midfield we’ve got.Believe me,I’ve seen worse offenders than Joey Barton turn their lives round.
76 Posted 23/10/2008 at 22:18:05
77 Posted 23/10/2008 at 22:47:59
If Barton ever wears our glorious Royal Blue, it’ll be the last time the Grand Old Lady will see me through the turnstiles till he leaves. Barton and his scum have no place at our club. FFS, Aren’t all our hearts with the family of a young victim of even younger scum from our streets? Such talk of a Barton move is a disgrace!
78 Posted 23/10/2008 at 23:15:14
79 Posted 23/10/2008 at 22:39:35
80 Posted 24/10/2008 at 00:21:17
81 Posted 24/10/2008 at 04:40:45
You are not cheering for the strength of a man?s character, you are cheering for your fellow supporters, your club?s history, and a pile of blue and white laundry. Me? I?m cheering for the way I felt when Sharpie thundered that ball past Grobelaar at Anfield in Oct ?84, for Bryan Hamilton at Maine Rd in ?77 and for Rideout at Wembley in ?95. If good citizenship mattered one bit when taking your passion for football into account then thousands of you would have never set foot inside Goodison again after seeing bananas thrown at John Barnes.
Ever heard Rooney in an interview? He?s a fucking idiot who probably has an I.Q. of about 75, but who among us wouldn?t have him in his "once a blue, always a blue" t-shirt today?
82 Posted 24/10/2008 at 04:51:28
I?m assuming that's aimed at me, so I?ll answer your question.
Yes, I have taken a chance, with 4 lads now, all with a convictions for violence of some degree. all just wanting some sort of chance to start again, the first one was 8 years ago the last one 2 years ago, all still working for me. if any of them let me down I?d have found myself out of a job.
I?ve conducted hundreds of interviews and no bleeding heart liberal, trust me. Two of the guys I took on have young familys themselves now, and two of them are going out with nice girls. none of them are violent drunks anymore. All of them would be welcome at my home
I agree with Connor, Joey Barton, would not improve Everton, for that reason and that reason alone I dont want him. His £40k a week obviously didnt teach him anything, a spell in prison just might have done.
Personally I would sooner trust a guy who puts his cards on the table and asked for a "last" chance over someone with convenient priciples who tells me he?s never done anything wrong.
83 Posted 24/10/2008 at 06:32:20
You have missed the point entirely, Barton has had more than his one chance, Barton has been caught in public so we all know what a scumbag he is and as for your comment about trusting him rather than someone with convenient principles? What with your high and mighty holier than thou piece about helping 4 lads along who you say are/were violent drunks, you don?t get any kudos here, what about 4 decent lads who you never gave a helping hand too?
84 Posted 24/10/2008 at 08:30:06
85 Posted 24/10/2008 at 08:24:34
Don't be a complete idiot, I have taken on dozens of lads without a "past" too. It wasn't a high and mighty post, I was giving a few examples from personal experience, so I "don't get any kudos"? I think I might be able to live with that.
86 Posted 24/10/2008 at 09:08:10
The original article was about Joey Barton not you or your ?lads? and Barton is in no way deserving of another, thats right Dave, another chance.
It?s obvious by your post that you hire/fire staff and again you miss the point. It doesn?t matter how many ?good lads? you?ve given a job too, there will be 4 who you haven?t because you chose to give those jobs to lads/men of violence. My belief is you wanted kudos otherwise you wouldn?t have gone to the lengths you did to explain your reasoning with the obvious intent on getting the bleeding heart liberals to back you up.
Just to let you know.. I may not be a mastermind contestant but I?m certainlly no idiot either. I never insulted you personally did I so please don?t insult me.
87 Posted 24/10/2008 at 09:31:42
Tony, shame on you.
88 Posted 24/10/2008 at 09:37:45
M "Alright Joe not a good day for City, bad result"
JB "So what, I played well"
M. "What are you a blue or red then?"
JB. "Used to be blue hate the fucking pair of them now."
M. "Bet you will end up playing for them though one day."
JB. "Will I fuck, neither of them could afford me."
This horrible attitude has been in his blood since a kid, you would think he was a nogga dog or whatever they call themselves and all that reformed shouts are just for the cameras. He will do it again, which is a shame as he is what we need in midfield.
89 Posted 24/10/2008 at 09:49:45
90 Posted 24/10/2008 at 10:23:50
Duncan Ferguson never went to prison for the headbutting incident alone. He went to prison following this incident as it was a culmination of assaults he had committed. The first being on a young civilian in Glasgow closely followed by an assault on a Police Officer. As soon as he signed for Everton he was arrested and convicted of drink driving. Ferguson then became a hero with some people even though he couldn?t be arsed playing most of the time.
Now I dont like Joey Barton and I dont think he?s a very talented footballer but for people to say that they don?t want Barton anywhere near an Everton shirt but to look at Ferguson as some kind of God is extremely hypocitical. In my opinion both are scumbags.
91 Posted 24/10/2008 at 10:31:13
Thanks for the Ferguson update, some of that information you provided me with I did not know so thanks. Unlike many Blues I don?t treat Ferguson as a god. I do however think Barton's offences make him an entirely inappropriate player to sign. I suppose what irks many people is the nature of Barton's offences i.e. the cowardice of his assaults and his repeated claims to have cleaned up his act. So while I agree that many fans view Ferguson through rose tinted glasses, I do think to sign Barton would be sending out the wrong message.
92 Posted 24/10/2008 at 10:29:29
He was a young man then himself too and as we don?t know the facts surrounding his fight with some other young fella and a copper, how the hell can we judge him.. (btw the drink drive charge is a civil offence, not criminal).
Brian Egan, talking about being hypocritical, did you sit on your hands then when Duncan scored those goals? Please remember, the post is about Barton whose terrible crimes are well documented and evidenced showing him to be an evil cowardly thug who has had more than one chance.
93 Posted 24/10/2008 at 10:50:56
You are wrong.
He went to prison for headbutting John Mcstay.
That is what he was arrested for. That is what the Sherriff looked at. They were the witnesses in the court stand. He went to prison for an offence that is committed every other week in most leagues. The SFA brought the charges against DF and that is why he vowed to never play for them again. The media made him out to be a very violent man and I agree the other offences that he committed prior to and after the McStay headbutt incident did play a part in the minds of the Sherriff, but it was not on the charge sheet.
Duncan will always be a hero for what he did on the pitch for Everton. He did some minor things off it - the Police Officer or Celtic fan that fancied a piece was another minor thing that got blow out of proportion in the media.
Duncan Ferguson is not a scumbag.
94 Posted 24/10/2008 at 11:55:11
95 Posted 24/10/2008 at 12:36:34
He is a thug, racist, moron who if ever dons the blue shirt will get a torrent of abuse by myself including every opposing fan, which is exactly the moment he?ll go over the top on some player, get banned for life while we pay his dirty wages.
He should be banned and is massively over-rated. Newcastle reject... no thanks!
96 Posted 24/10/2008 at 12:37:09
He gave me some of his drink, and me in my intoxicated state knocked it over and swilled him, covered his pants and shirt. I was expecting a cigar to the eye after some of the stories I?d heard about him, but he just said not to worry about it and kept on having a laugh and a joke.
So I don?t really know what to think when I see all the incidents he?s been involved in, whether it's been extreme provocation (still no excuse for the serious assaults I admit) or just too much booze and I got lucky and caught him on a good night.
Based on chatting to him and from a footballing point of view, I?d be willing to give him one chance to prove himself in a blue shirt. I think he could add something to our team if he gets back to the form of his best City days.
97 Posted 24/10/2008 at 13:05:58
Mind you, maybe we could swop him for Van der Meyde and put him on pay if you play.
98 Posted 24/10/2008 at 13:40:23
99 Posted 24/10/2008 at 14:24:36
I know this thread's not about Duncan Ferguson but just a few points.
When a person has been found guilty of an offence, the judge prior to passing sentence will always look at the persons previous character and convictions. In Ferguson's case he was sent to prison for not just the headbutt but also the previous assaults. If the headbutt was the only occassion he had been prosecuted for assualt it is extremely unlikely he would have receieved a custodial sentence. The point I was making was that there is not much difference between Barton and Ferguson.
As for Ferguson being a hero because of what he done on the pitch, thats another debate, because I can?t recall him doing too much apart from the odd kissing of a tattoo and that was when he could actually be bothered to play.
100 Posted 24/10/2008 at 14:56:01
Great article BTW...got lots of response.
I just look at the facts. Calling JB a decidedly average player I think is unfair. I don’t think he’s world class but I do think he is a very good player and other than his off-the-field antics, certainly fits Moyes’ brand of player.
Should he be given another chance? Well if he was my son, then yes I’d be sreaming for him to receive another chance. But if I was the father of the kid battered outside McDonalds then I think I’d be screaming for him to go back to prison.
I guess the course of wisdom is to wait till Jan and see where we and he is. If we’re struggling, I do think he’d be a great asset...I really do. Jags was branded a ’decidedly-average’ player, but I think he was one of the star performers last season at centre back.
If he has behaved and stayed off the juice over XMAS, then yeah, I think he’s worth a gamble.
Sorry...but I do genuinely think he was a very promising player and if he can recapture that form I think it will be a great signing for £4m
101 Posted 24/10/2008 at 15:24:34
Drink driving is certainly not a civil offence...it is a criminal offence and trying to belittle it in that way is ridiculous.
102 Posted 24/10/2008 at 14:45:52
I take your point; DF was convicted of the McStay headbutt and upon sentencing the Sherriff took the previous convictions into consideration and therefore gave DF 6 months. He only served 3 months due to good behaviour.
I disagree with you that DF is not that different to JB. Barton is an out and out thug. DF was not that bad. He never battered any team mates. Never stumped out a cigar in a young lads eye. Never battered some young lad on the floor in a city centre.
DF bashed a burglar. Silly Thief.
DF butted a police officer, but there were mitigating circumstances.
Dunc was also an injury prone player. I don’t think it was a case he couldn’t be bothered playing for the blues. He did score some important goals. Wore the captains armband with pride. I’ll remember being there when he scored his only hat-trick. I’ll never forget the goal against Man Utd. IMO we shouldn’t think of him as a thug. He’s certainly no role model but he isn’t a thug either.
103 Posted 24/10/2008 at 16:10:22
One more thing.....
DF got a custodial sentence - taking into consideration other offences.....
Barton was convicted of a further assault WHILST IN PRISON and the judge gave him a suspended sentence.....
figure that one out!
104 Posted 24/10/2008 at 16:39:56
105 Posted 24/10/2008 at 17:14:10
106 Posted 24/10/2008 at 17:17:14
Watch the freely available narratives and footage on both DF’s headbutt which was more of a head to head push, then watch the Cantona attempt to hospitalise the Palace fan and Joey Barton’s knockout on Church Street and read the narratives on his sustained assault from behind on his former team mate at Man City, his assault with a cigar and then repost saying DF was a far bigger thug having had a chance to consider the documented evidence.
107 Posted 24/10/2008 at 19:00:19
I answered a direct question from Brian williams, but your far too busy hurling accusations to read back and understand that
I have no interest whatsoever as to why you think I posted
D F regularly knocked over people nowhere near his size over, it wasnt a one off I can think of 4 incidents right now off the top of my head, this isnt an attack on DF, I just thought I’d point out what a hypocritical little gobshite you are
108 Posted 24/10/2008 at 19:43:38
give him a chance...
109 Posted 24/10/2008 at 19:48:57
unlike your good self I am most definitely no angel. so I recognise a sinner, so of course I’ll give him a chance,
I’d even give you a chance . . . .regardless of the way I feel about hypocrites
110 Posted 24/10/2008 at 20:03:48
but you’re guessing at me being a hypocrite.
111 Posted 24/10/2008 at 20:06:21
I am guessing.
As you never answered when I asked you if you were whiter than white, I foolishly assumed you weren?t
My mistake, My apologies.
112 Posted 24/10/2008 at 20:28:52
When I watched his interveiw on Sky yesterday, it was all about himself; I didn't once hear him say he was sorry for the pain and upset he caused to anyone else in regards to all his attacks on the people he fucked up. Then we would have the referees and the FA or the men in grey suits saying, "Lets get rid of that club who always seem to give bullies and thugs the breaks they don't deserve". As if they don't already fuck us over at every opportunity. To compare him with Peter Reid is an insult. The only comparison is they both come from Huyton. I also don't think he's that good. So I would say NO.
113 Posted 24/10/2008 at 21:22:26
Yes: Barton is a talented footballer.
Yes: God knows we need talented footballers at this moment.
Yes: He has paid his debt to society, and desrves another chance.
But: Unless he is prepared to stay holed up in his penthouse flat (wherever that may be), he can never walk the streets of Liverpool with impunity ever again. Sad, but true!!
Fact: We have some talented footballers who have gone missing!!
They need to get their acts together or piss off!!
Arteta for England???
I would like him to play for Everton first, as he has been missing for 18 months!
JAGS FOR CAPTAIN!!
Thats the way forard.
114 Posted 25/10/2008 at 01:47:37
Back to the subject, it seems by the reaction to the original post that people are no longer wanting to give 2nd chances to thugs and those who want him at the club do so because they think he?s a good footballer and think because of that you can forgive him anything. I?m glad the majority are beginning to feel that no matter how good you are at a job it does not excuse crimes against decent society.
115 Posted 25/10/2008 at 02:11:17
Drink driving in itself is not a criminal offence, it is any other acts surrounding or being caused by the act of drink driving, for example, causing death or injury to the person, that actually criminalises the offence. Rightly or wrongly that is the law and I was not trivialisng the act but pointing out that Ferguson was not criminalised for the act of drink driving therefore not a serial criminal like Barton.
116 Posted 25/10/2008 at 04:17:11
117 Posted 25/10/2008 at 07:41:17
Keep digging lad, that's an impressive CV your carving out for yourself there.
118 Posted 25/10/2008 at 08:03:10
119 Posted 25/10/2008 at 08:19:08