If you attended the Greybok last Wednesday night, you would have every right to think about jacking it all in. As an advert for the Premier League the game at Bolton was an absolute disgrace. Ok, we nicked a late winner and I was jumping around like a Kangaroo that has just stood on a drawing pin when the goal went in but boy was that some kind of shite football match...
Saturday's horrible performance was once again overlooked by many because once again we played a get out of jail card in the last few minutes and Saha scored the winner when in all reality we should of been dead and buried. Once again, more Polyfilla in the cracks before the wallpaper goes over it.
Now I know there will be a deluge of posts all with the same theme, ie Six points and no goals conceded ? what more do you want... but that doesn't tell the whole story does it? We could so easily have lost both of those games and found ourselves marooned in the bottom three on nine points. That's how close it was.
The most shocking thing about it all is that the same players, who gave the Mancs the run-around playing exciting attacking football two weeks ago, once again returned to hoofing it and playing like they belonged on a local park on a Sunday morning.
Why is this so? Who is the mastermind behind it all? Was the second half against the Mancs a blip and normal service has been resumed? Whatever the answer is, some of the natives are starting to get restless, voting with their feet and who can blame them?
The usual suspects will come out and defend the utter crap we are served up with the same worn out tired defence they love to use but facts are facts and attendances are on the decline. About 6,000 down to be exact and that's a lot of our average, isn't it?
Either Moyes wises up (HA HA HA) or, like I said a few weeks ago, numbers will continue to drop off as watching Everton these days is as much fun as watching Gary Glitter in concert.
I know people will point to money again but that's not the issue here. Being able to pass a ball costs fuck all. We all know football is a buisness these days but do you know what it's an entertainment buisness and Evertonians are not being entertained. Full stop.
I honestly believe, hand on heart, that Everton are the worst team in the Premier League to watch ? and it's getting worse not better. Moyes is just as clueless now as he has always been when it comes to playing an attacking style of football. Saturday's 4-5-1 at home to poxy Fulham only confirms my fears. So many basic managerial mistakes were made by Moyes on Saturday, it's hard to know where to start... but lets try.
4-5-1 at home to a team like Fulham is an insult to paying supporters. Fulham have never won at Goodison Park in the Premier League, yet we throw up the barricades and let them get a foothold in the game by leaving Yakubu isolated as usual.
Cahill starting and then playing a full 90 minutes was another mistake as he is nowhere near fit and you could tell after 40 minutes. Playing Cahill also meant that the 4-5-1 system had to be employed. Poor tactical decision by the manager.
The substitutions.... Pathetic! Why take off Fellaini when he has been our most effective player recently? What was Moyes thinking at the time?
"I know what I will do here; bring the big fella off as he looks like he could do with a hair cut. He might just score another winner but let's chuck on Saha the goal machine. Now I know the last time Louis scored a goal there was a lace through the ball but it just might work..." Luckily enough it did but what was the thinking behind it?
Yakubu. Once again, the Premier League's most prolific goal scorer is reduced to a shell by Moyes and his sterile tactics and so once again he gets pulled off ? WHY? Yakubu is the only natural goalscorer at the club and should remain on the pitch at all times. Fuck all this nonsense about running down the channels all day. Give the Yak the ammo and he will score goals. Unless of course the striker's curse has now hit him as it did Beattie, Aj and all the rest who suffered under DM's claustrophobic approach.
Add to the list James Vaughan's 6 minutes on the field, Rodwell's continued exclusion, and you have to wonder what the fuck is going on.
In the end, we had the farcical situation of finishing the game with four strikers on the pitch when all it needed was to start with two. Cahill should've been given the last 30 minutes if it wasn't working but the whole set-up reeks to high heaven. David Moyes is little more than an amateur when it comes to tactics and we have been very lucky this past week thanks to the fixture list. Any decent sides would've twatted us playing the way we do.
On a plus note, Phil Neville has been excellent recently playing in his natural position at right back and it's no coincidence that the goals have stopped going in since then. How long have we been saying this for? Please, no more Hibbert.
So make your own minds up as to why so many are starting to stay away. The pubs and clubs in Liverpool are jam packed every night and so are the shops. No credit crunch here so it can't be the money.
Let's just say it has every thing to do with a Ginger Scotsman his £65k a week wages and squad of players who look like they want to be else where..... .Just like some of the fans.
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1 Posted 04/11/2008 at 03:42:58
That?s the difference between this season?s Fulham attendance (31,278) and last season?s (32,743). A revolt? That?s just noise. Do the maths, Tony... kind makes ya look like a bit of a fool to be honest.
And then the subs. Arguably they changed the game. Saha scored the winner. What more could you want from a sub?
You know, you really don?t need to post after every game. I know some people want you to, but you?ve provided nothing here. I?d really advise against it.
2 Posted 04/11/2008 at 05:26:47
The one thing that has struck me with supporters in my own age group has been the sense of apathy ... the abysmal summer, the ridiculous antics and lies over the contract and then the gutless football have seen a number of people simply fall out of love with the club as it is presently run.
Add to that the credit crunch which, obviously, has a real impact but also provides a handy excuse for ending the match going habit and there you have it!
Things will, naturally, improve enormously when we erect the Kirkby Biscuit Tin.
3 Posted 04/11/2008 at 05:47:24
And looking at the other 4 midfielders, you’ve got 4 players who don’t exactly strike me as Lee Carselt wannabes who are happy to sit back and do their share of defensive chores.
Moyes is often castigated for his lack of effective substitutions, but when one of them actually scores, he’s lucky... hmmmm.
The reason why we scored is because, finally, someone got a quality ball in the box (I think it’s called creating a chance - not been many recently) and one of our 4 (yes, 4, count ’em! Defensive?? Not our Davey!) strikers duly slotted.
The lack of a quality final ball was the reason we struggled on Saturday, which comes from lack of form (how many times where we in a really good position, only to mess up the final ball??) rather than poor tactics.
But then, form is down to the players, not the manager, so you wouldn’t be able to have (another!) go at Moyes, would you?
4 Posted 04/11/2008 at 05:56:53
The fact is though Everton have won the previous two games keeping a clean sheet, Fellaini is beginning to look like a top player and with the general feeling of football wins and with a few players due to start performing (namely Arteta, Lescott & Yakubu) things will start getting exciting again indeed. Throw in a new American President and it is all good. Our attendances will pick up again.
5 Posted 04/11/2008 at 06:12:31
You're wrong. Tony is drawing attention to a developing trend, one that has a number of us worried, to compare the attendance at Saturday's game with the corresponding fixture last year is missing the point.
Goodison Park has not been sold out once this season, despite the fact that we?ve played the Mancs and RS. Unless the entertaiment value goes up several notches, or we go on a really exciting winning run, then I fully expect Marshy?s claim of a 6,000 fall on last year's average to be too close for comfort. I?d be surprised if our average attendance got much higher than 32,000 this season.
6 Posted 04/11/2008 at 07:00:57
7 Posted 04/11/2008 at 07:10:14
What is there to get exciited about nowadays? I think the standard of football has dropped badly over the last few years across the world never mind in the Premier League. The skill factor has been replaced by the run all day and pressure tactics. Crap!!! half of these galutes nowadays couldn?t trap a bag of cement.
8 Posted 04/11/2008 at 07:51:31
100% agree with your post, wise words.
Our back four is getting us through this single handedly.
Playing Yakubu up front on his own is a shocking tactic. It knackers him up and Arteta and Piennar, as when they look forwards there is NO ONE to pass to.
9 Posted 04/11/2008 at 08:20:20
10 Posted 04/11/2008 at 08:19:25
It was clear to anyone with half a football brain that it was only 4-5-1 on paper. Cahill was playing just off Yak?s shoulder for the majority of the game. Fellaini was marauding around the front third of the field as it allowed him to have a free role just behind the front two.
If you study Yak?s career you?ll see he has always scored in spurts? 8 games 9 goals and then nothing for two months? 14 games 16 goals and then nothing for three months. He?s going through one of his lean periods. It will end soon.
The entertainment was poor ? but at least we tried to play it along the floor. The defence seems to be settling down again.
What I can't forgive Moyes and Kenwright for is the fact that we?ve been crying out for a creative, tackling bustling midfield general, who can find the killer through ball, for over five years. That is the missing link ? we get that player and all else will fall into place.
Fellaini, does not seem to be the answer? not yet anyway. However, he is in a different class than the rest of the midfield and will be very good indeed in time? We need some class in the midlle now.
I can?t see us getting that in January.
11 Posted 04/11/2008 at 08:36:43
12 Posted 04/11/2008 at 08:27:49
I disagree that the credit crunch has nothing to do with lack of attendances, because I, like most people I know, am struggling and don?t have any cash at the minute. Also, the summer was shite, with the Board managing to destroy all the hope and confidence built up by a great season last year.
13 Posted 04/11/2008 at 08:40:33
We have been lucky in our last two games and the only match we showed real spirit and ability was in the 2nd half against Man Utd. We need to realise that the game is played over 90 minutes and we should be competing for the whole game. We are dreadful at home because we are expected to take the initiative, whereas away from home we can sit back and snatch results.
Arteta is looking distinctly unhappy lately and does not seem to be enjoying his game. Luckily Jagielka and Neville are both playing well so the defence is carrying us. I reckon the article is spot on and instead of being critical of it, the readers should think about what is written as it is from a FAN who wants the team to play well and make us all proud.... Let's get some entertainment into our game.
14 Posted 04/11/2008 at 09:13:16
Seriously we all saw what that tackle against the Mancs from Neville did, the atmosphere became electric and the boys could sense that and grew in confidence and we saw probably the best 35-40 mins of football we have seen all season. So Tony I agree with certain parts of your article, but I think we have all got a part to play to install confidence in the boys by getting behind them and in turn may boost attendances.
15 Posted 04/11/2008 at 09:31:21
Oh FFS, just bring in Allardyce.
16 Posted 04/11/2008 at 09:41:47
Its a shame because people are concerned about the club but having people like Marsh as your mouth piece removes all credibility/sense/logic from the arguement.
17 Posted 04/11/2008 at 10:00:13
Add to that the fact that Baines has been stiffed by Moyes's love-in with Jags and Lescott ? and the fact that Osman (who seemed to be playing a defensive midfield role!!!) and Cahill remained on the pitch while the best player was substituted ? and you have nothing but a collection of amatuer mistakes repeated ad-infinitum from a handsomely paid manager.
Complete and utter tripe.
18 Posted 04/11/2008 at 10:15:16
I’m still waiting to hear why after seven years of ’stability’ under a ’great young manager’, we have no apparent scouting system and an inability, or lack of willingness to pass the ball.
Last season we had a three month period where we passed the ball and played in the other team’s half of the pitch. We scored more goals, won more games and were often very good to watch.
Why has this stopped? That’s all I want to know
19 Posted 04/11/2008 at 09:55:25
Erm.... who exactly do you mean when you say ?your? mouth-piece?
Tony Marsh is his own mouth-piece, as I am mine and you are yours.
Why not simply address your comments/criticism directly to Tony?
As for Ena Sharples-like comments such as ?People like Marsh...? - you think they ADD credibility/sense/logic.
Next thing you?ll be telling us "..AND ?ees no better than ?ee should be" (while winking at a Minnie Caldwell look-a-like, folding your arms and supping a Mackies)
We?ll make our own minds up thank you (sniffs!)
20 Posted 04/11/2008 at 10:51:54
Furthermore, would the "People's Club" please explain how they justify that name? We are all just treated as faceless feckers but our attention is held by the bright lights of club marketing and Sky TV. My relationship with Everton over the past few years has been one of just paying out stacks of money which by one way or another they have badgering me for. £25 to watch Fulham? £3.50 a pint? £10 to park? £40 for a shirt? Where will I be financially when my kids want to go?
The game needs to implode, the monopoly to stop. Bring back footy and Everton to the real fans not these idiots who spend a fortune week-in, week-out in the club shop.
21 Posted 04/11/2008 at 10:47:17
If some fans are lucky enough to be in a position where money inst an issue when deciding on going to games then good luck to them. I dont find it difficult to pay for matches but some fans do. Some suppoerters have decisions to make each week.
Shall I take my lad the game have a pint a pie and a programme, a taxi home and the cost of two tickets probably cost me best part of £100 or should I go down the boozer and watch it on the Arab channel spend a tenner and buy the lad a game for his PSP and take the missus for a Chinese later on tonight cost about £100 type decisions.
If fans are continually fed the dross we serve up these decisions will be come more and more easy to make as the months/years go by then what?
As for the posts, don't worry about them; if they are not welcome I won't bother any more.
22 Posted 04/11/2008 at 11:04:06
23 Posted 04/11/2008 at 11:04:04
Why pay the best part of £100 for a shit kick off time against a nothing club when you can watch it for niche. I couldnt give a spare ticket away for Saturday, no-one was interested. Funnily enough, no-one said "I?m not going because Moyes?s teams play shite football", they just couldnt be arsed getting out of bed and travelling the game in freezing weather when they could watch it at home.
I?ve asked this questions many times before... apart from Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and at times Liverpool, what teams actually play good football?? Did you watch the Bolton - City game on Sunday? Terrible game, City were no better than we were, couldn't string two passes together, and got beat.
Villa last night, the much praised villa, they were crap, even after spending a shit load of money in the summer.
24 Posted 04/11/2008 at 11:18:27
"As for the posts don't worry about them if they are not welcome I wont bother any more."
Cheers Tony that would be sound, Lad!!
25 Posted 04/11/2008 at 11:48:12
26 Posted 04/11/2008 at 11:55:42
27 Posted 04/11/2008 at 12:00:28
28 Posted 04/11/2008 at 11:43:38
Will I be back over this season? Questionable ? definitely not if the dross continues. I want to see my team play football with passion. I can put up with mediocre results but not the awful displays we have had to endure so far this season (2nd half Man Utd excepted).
29 Posted 04/11/2008 at 12:06:12
?Yakubu. Once again, the Premier League’s most prolific goal scorer is reduced to a shell by Moyes and his sterile tactics and so once again he gets pulled off?Unless of course the striker’s curse has now hit him as it did Beattie, Aj and all the rest who suffered under DM’s claustrophobic approach?.
Of course the facts suggest a very different story: Yak?s record:
Season 2003-4 Portsmouth 43 appearances 19 Goals
Season 2004-5 Portsmouth 35 appearances 17 Goals
Season 2005-06 M?bro 56 appearances 19 Goals
Season 2006 -07 M?bro 45 appearances 16 Goals
Season 2007 -08 Everton 39 appearances 21 Goals
Don?t let the facts blind you to your hate of Moyes Tony
30 Posted 04/11/2008 at 11:33:22
Their one propper chance (Gera) was due to Lescott waiting for someone else to close down the cross. The kind of defending that gets punished every time against a good team. That one thing deserved criticism, little else did.
Well done to Moyes for his subs & getting 7 points from the last 3 games. Performances will get better with confidence, for now though I want results.
To those who are still moaning and whining about the ?ugly football? - go and follow Spurs or Newcastle... that?s what you deserve. Another win at West Ham is all I want.
31 Posted 04/11/2008 at 12:00:44
Seriously though I look forward to Tony's posts, don?t always agree entirely but a lot of what he posts is spot on and how many of us log on and look for his posts first?
32 Posted 04/11/2008 at 12:04:34
I had the money to go the match, just, but was unwilling to skin myself just to have the gut wrenching feeling I get when I see us start with one upfront at home and to be pulling my hair out when Moyes makes a baffling sub, and to fume when once again he drags the Yak off.
Because if these things happen and Fulham take the points it would ruin my fucking day.
So I?d rather stay at home and save up my money whilst the same old tricks are played out by Moyes (whoa let?s swap Pienaar and Arteta over, that will bamboozle them ha ha). Until Moyes changes the way we play, it will be easier for me to decide to save my money and watch it from the armchair.
33 Posted 04/11/2008 at 12:19:30
34 Posted 04/11/2008 at 12:05:32
Terry, the last thing the Yak needs is dropping, he needs a strike partner for a full 90 mins and he needs to be left to do what he does best score goals. He?s said himself he wants to play with a fellow striker not in a 4-5-1.
As many others have mentioned, Moyes seems to ruin strikers, Yak should be left to stay as high up the pitch as possible cos that?s where the opposition's goal is. He shouldn?t be outside our box where he either loses it and we concede or having to run 3/4 of the pitch to get near the opposition's goal.
Time to start giving the opposition something to worry about cos we have the quality to do it. Moyes has brought in a lot of good players but seems to waste them with his formations, it's clear a lot of them are unhappy with the way we play and so are the majority of fans cos, more often than not it?s awful to watch and desperate. We play as if we finished 5 from bottom last season and we are scared of everyone.
35 Posted 04/11/2008 at 12:23:34
Come on Tony wake up and smell the coffee son, Watching football is a luxury and not a nescessity!
36 Posted 04/11/2008 at 12:07:37
A rare gift you have there lad.
Not for the first time one of your post brightens an otherwise shite day.
37 Posted 04/11/2008 at 12:12:25
"We could so easily have lost both of those games and found ourselves marooned in the bottom three on nine points" - ye, but we didn?t, that fucking simple enough for you? Liverpool have scored so many late winners ? if they hadn?t, they might be 16th in the league, did you know that? If so and so hadn?t done this...
Why do people bang on about 4-5-1 being negative? Okay you only have one out and out striker, but you have an attacking midfielder, who?s virtually playing up front anyway, alongside 4 very attack-minded midfielders. You could have a 4-4-2, but not have midfielders who are as attack-minded and that would not be as attack-minded as our 4-5-1.
The Yak? He was shite. I criticise Moyes for not pulling him off earlier. A while ago I didn?t mind his laziness as he scored goals, but now he doesn?t. It was plain for anyone to see that that lazy fucker was never going to score and Moyes waits 5 minutes from the end to take him off and bring Vaughan on, should have been done 25 minutes earlier. Moyes got away with it this time.
Finished with 4 strikers? Saha, Anichebe, Vaughan, who was the other one? I made it 3.
No credit crunch in Liverpool... What? you're some sort of economist now because you saw the local chippy full?
I will say that we have to improve though. The last few displays have not been great and better teams will punish us. About time we had some luck though, not often we get it!!
See everyone at West Ham. COYB.
38 Posted 04/11/2008 at 12:12:25
?We could so easily have lost both of those games and found ourselves marooned in the bottom three on nine points? - ye, but we didn?t, that fucking simple enough for you? Liverpool have scored so many late winners - if they hadn?t, they might be 16th in the league, did you know that? If so and so hadn?t done this...
Why do people bang on about 451 being negative? Okay you only have one out and out striker, but you have an attacking midfielder, who?s virtually playing up front anyway, alongside 4 very attack minded midfielders. You could have a 442, but not have midfielders who are as attack minded and that would not be as attack minded as our 451.
The Yak? He was shite. I criticise Moyes for not pulling him off earlier. A while ago I didn?t mind his laziness as he scored goals, but now he doesn?t. It was plain for anyone to see that that lazy fucker was never going to score and Moyes waits 5 minutes from the end to take him off and bring Vaughan on, should have been done 25 minutes earlier. Moyes got away with it this time.
Finished with 4 strikers? Saha, Anichebe, Vaughan, who was the other one? I made it 3.
No credit crunch in Liverpool, what some sort of economist now because you saw the local chippy full?
And for anyone who can?t bear to watch Everton because they are so bad, go and watch someone else then.
I will say that we have to improve though. The last few displays have not been great and better teams will punish us. About time we had some luch though, not often we get it!!
See everyone at West Ham. COYB.
39 Posted 04/11/2008 at 12:09:24
40 Posted 04/11/2008 at 12:34:48
I cringed when I saw 4-5-1 vs Fulham. Another 90 minutes of crap, diabolical unentertaining hoofball. This is getting embarrassing. 3-5-2 is the way forward. Pip and Bainsy as attacking wing backs and the rest will allow change or Cahill.
Please, please play some football. COYB
41 Posted 04/11/2008 at 12:45:12
Classic Tony Marsh.
Well done sir, I salute you. Now please stop.
42 Posted 04/11/2008 at 12:43:38
Go and support another team?
43 Posted 04/11/2008 at 12:05:17
The reality is, the money a footballer like Yak earns, means he can, more-or-less, do as he pleases (which he knew when he ?missed his plane? after the African Nations)
Fact is, if you?re a ?Premier? League player, once you?ve signed a 3-4 year deal, for anything above £15,000 a week (nb: A WEEK!) you are set for life (obviously you would have to keep an eye on the amount you spend on Koh-I-Nor-sized earrings and/or £600-a-pop haircuts). Consequently the manager can go fuck himself.
Levy, the Spurs Chairman was all over the Sunday papers saying that Berbatov had basically decided to pack in playing for Spurs. Sure they could have stuck him in the Spurs stiffs but the finances just don?t (realistically) allow it.
Players call the shots these days and all that huffing and puffing we see managers do, to make us THINK they run things, is just that ? huffing and puffing.
Bring back the Cat!(terick)
44 Posted 04/11/2008 at 12:33:08
45 Posted 04/11/2008 at 12:57:36
46 Posted 04/11/2008 at 12:51:20
Number 2; could the fact that the game was an early kick off have anything to do with the attendance (people in work) OR that it was live on Sky? People watching the pennies could sit in and watch it.
Number 3; Moyes makes tactical changes to change the course of the game and - it?s a fluke!!! He?s still a shite manager.
We are not playing well. But most importantly we are grinding out results. That is the most important thing at this point. West Brom have been playing some nice football..... where are they? Not SEVENTH that?s for sure.
47 Posted 04/11/2008 at 13:05:05
Moyes has made some bad substitutions in his time but I thought on Saturday he got them spot on (Pienaar was blowing bubbles and had give the ball away 5 times on the trot when he went off as well).
48 Posted 04/11/2008 at 13:16:40
Utd and Liverpool will ALWAYS sell out, due to the fact they have such large support.
If we had 15-20,000 daytrippers in the bank every single game, we?d sell out as well.
49 Posted 04/11/2008 at 13:20:20
That’s all I was getting at.
Ask Chelsea fans if they preferred winning things with JM. They certainly played more attractive footy last season without ’the special one’ but ended up 2nd best.
50 Posted 04/11/2008 at 13:20:14
Getting substitutions right, means removing the right players as much as putting on the right players..
Moyes didn?t remove either Cahill or Osman, who were both utter crap, but instead took off a player who was playing considerably better.... therefore he didn?t get the substitutions right ? just because the luck went in our direction doesn?t change this fact.
He got it all wrong, from start to finish, yet again!
51 Posted 04/11/2008 at 13:32:04
"The usual suspects will come out and defend the utter crap we are served up with the same worn out tired defence"
And your usual disciples will stick with you through thick and thin and bemoan our present "lucky" streak and pander for the losses again to get back into calling for Moyes?s head.
Yes, Bolton was an ugly game and Fulham was up there with one of the worst games I have seen in a long while.... however, we are playing shit and this is when you grind out results and kick on from there.
"We could so easily have lost both of those games and found ourselves marooned in the bottom three on nine points. That?s how close it was." Yes but we didn?t and we are not and if my Aunt had bollocks she would be my Uncle, however, if I was to say that if only ManUre. The Redshite and Le Arse had played worse than they did we would be near the top, I would get laughed off this board.
It?s not pretty at the moment and it very rarely is but it is all of a sudden effective, that will have to do for now.
52 Posted 04/11/2008 at 13:40:18
You were getting at that point in a very strange way. Please don?t resort to telling Evertonians to go support another club. It undermines your argument.
And in answer to your question... pretty football (or good football) eventually gets you results, rubbish football eventually gets found out..
I think you?ll find Chelsea?s brand of football this season is far more attractive than last season?s... in fact Scholari was brough in with that very remit and brought the flair players of Boswinga and Deco. How you can suggest that they have not been playing pretty football is beyond me.
53 Posted 04/11/2008 at 13:39:18
I agree that Cahill and Osman were poor, but you just have to accept the fact that his cross found the head of a Moyes sub, and that won us the game ? it seems a lot of you are unhappy that he actually got it right for once!!!
54 Posted 04/11/2008 at 13:36:28
David Moyes takes off player A and brings on player B, player B scores winner ? bad management?
7 points out of a possible 9 and we?re up to 7th place ? bad management?
Fulham have one of the best defences outside the top 4, if not THE best defence outside the top 4, Tony, so the system we played suited the team in front of us ? do you actually look further than the end of your nose when watching football?
Everton certainly do not play the worst football in the league, if that's your opinion I would suggest you don?t watch many games other than ours because there are plenty of teams that play way worse football than we do ? Fulham, Bolton, West Ham to name but 3.
Winning at Bolton is not to be sniffed at Tony, I?ll wager that across the season they won't lose many at home.
55 Posted 04/11/2008 at 13:29:00
Moyes won’t change it tho... we’ve been lucky with this run of easy games. 7th is defo a false position for us. When we play a decent team we are going to get creamed if things don’t change.
56 Posted 04/11/2008 at 13:43:57
"Once again, more Polyfilla in the cracks before the wallpaper goes over it. "
Analogies are not your thing...
57 Posted 04/11/2008 at 13:39:24
58 Posted 04/11/2008 at 13:44:41
I’m all for Everton playing good football, but I’m confused as to why some of you are so pissed off when we win ugly.
59 Posted 04/11/2008 at 13:51:45
You obviously never saw Gary Glitter at his best. Much much much more entertaining than the drivel I had to sit through on Saturday.
May I suggest that a better analogy would be watching paint dry ? oh but that doesn?t cost a king's ransom to watch!
60 Posted 04/11/2008 at 13:44:56
Last night in the Newcastle game they suffered one of their worst crowd attendances for years; we are seeing the same trend at Goodison due to crap football, the cost and the current financial mood especially to the run up to xmas.
What has always pissed me off about Premiership clubs is their lack of "in touchness" with supporters! They don’t give a toss, including EFC.
During what is a difficult time anyway, why don’t they dramatically drop price tickets for shite games when attendance will obviously be low; more people at the ground means more people to buy food, drinks, programs and to contribute towards the atmosphere etc.
61 Posted 04/11/2008 at 13:55:21
62 Posted 03/11/2008 at 22:18:58
I would take Moyes over Hughes because Moyes has built some solid foundations, predominantly with young british players, whereas Hughes has played the transfer market very well to bring in a constant rotation of good cheap foreigners. The Blackburn strategy isn't one that can last. And it hasn't. It worked long enough to get him a big money move to Man City though. Interesting that.
I don't think anyone can argue against Wenger having produced more with less, and I won't attempt to here, but I would say that the gulf isn't as cavernous as it might seem. What kicked off Arsenal arguably was the signing of Bergkamp and Platt, which was pre-Wenger. We could never have afforded or attracted either of those players. The London question is also a factor. Players will go there for less than market rate wages who wouldn't even consider us.
And finally Arsenal had a good side when Wenger took over. Some great defenders in aAdams, Bould, Dixon, Winterburn... some great midfielders like Merson and great strikers in Wright and Bergkamp.
Moyes inherited Gascoigne, Ginola, Gemill and the mighty Joe-Max Moore. We're now maybe a couple of players away from having a really good side. Probably only a winger with real pace and a quality replacement for Carsley. We should be cheered by hitting 7th without showing any sort of form, not subjecting ourselves to a constant stream of whinging and negativity. It's not the team or the football I find depressing these days, it's the fans.
63 Posted 04/11/2008 at 14:29:14
64 Posted 04/11/2008 at 14:21:29
65 Posted 04/11/2008 at 14:24:21
My 2p’s worth is this. I’d love to see us zip the ball round and play attractive football every week - I even shout at Moyes/the TV when teams like Fulham turn up who don’t exactly rag us silly and we STILL play 4-5-1. (That said, 4-5-1 on Saturday was really 4-4-2. Anyone could see that. )
But we can’t always zip it around and the bottom line is that I’d rather us win ugly or otherwise than draw or lose. Sometimes I don’t understand Moyes subs (I’d have shifted Osman before Fellaini all day long on Saturday) but I understand he knows more than me about managing a football team so I sure as hell don’t boo the substitution!
Finally, I’ve agreed before when people have bemoaned Moyes perceived inability to make an attacking substitution and go and try win the game. So when he pulls midfielders off and puts attackers on lets try and remember thats a good thing.
Anyone who says Fellaini for Saha wasn’t a match-winning substitution needs their head examined. Fellaini didn’t score, Saha did, may all the substitutions for the rest of the season go that way!!!
66 Posted 04/11/2008 at 14:43:05
That Minnie Caldwell was a right little minx and she could have entertained me any day of the week :0)
67 Posted 04/11/2008 at 14:41:27
68 Posted 04/11/2008 at 14:41:27
Can I suggest that your reposte to the ?one-eyed view? is a little... shall we say... one-eyed. Can you please explain how a comparison of managers net spend and points accumulated works?
It seems to me like a completely fabricated point....while you?re at it can you tell me how many managers have been in the league long enough to make a valid comparison with Moyes.
I?m really interested in how the methodology of this statistic works.
69 Posted 04/11/2008 at 14:47:59
What do you think his tactics are!
70 Posted 04/11/2008 at 14:49:51
There?s a difference between a match winning substitution and an intelligent substitution... the difference between the two on this occasion was pure and simple luck... we could have just as easily lost the match by leaving Cahill on the pitch... which left us less than toothless in midfield.
It may have been a match winning substitution in the fact that Saha came on ? but it certainly wasn?t an intelligent substitution.
71 Posted 04/11/2008 at 14:50:03
There was such an comparison on Sky or Times and Moyes was the best pound for pound Manager in Premielr League.
And for the your other question ask yourself why there arent many to compare Moyes with.
72 Posted 04/11/2008 at 15:13:35
Where you at the game ??
Osman was probably our best midfielder (not hard on Saturday admittedly), Cahill was anonymous I agree, but Fellaini was no better, for me it was 1 of the 2, Fellaini was on his 3rd game in a week, Cahill had missed 3 games, though you wouldn't have thought it.
But anyway, by your theory that the substitution was pure good luck, whenever a substitution goes wrong, is it just pure bad luck ??
73 Posted 04/11/2008 at 14:51:18
I happen to agree with quite a lot of what you have to say. The standard of football being served up at the moment is appalling. Don?t worry, mate ? only five more years of this dross. Hopefully!
74 Posted 04/11/2008 at 15:24:23
John, I would suggest a quick trip to the hospital mate, as it seems that you have symptoms of the early onset of Alzheimer's. If you honestly believe that we are playing our worst football in 36 years then you have lost a couple of years somewhere.
75 Posted 04/11/2008 at 15:23:05
Could you explain how this pound for pound thing works then?
As for Moyes longevity...you’re on to a matter which is likely to raise a few hackles...has moyes deserved to stay as long as he has? debatable. Would he have stayed as long as he has under any other chairman? unlikely.
Paul Mosses - You kind of miss my point on substitutions - they can be lucky or intelligent or both..the leavbing on of Cahill and the removal of Fella was certainly not the intelligent option, but it proved to be the lucky one!
As for Osman, you must’ve been watching a different match..all the players apart from Yobo were poor on saturday, but he along with Cahill was the pick of the cráp.
MOM award for a goal scoring cross? yes I can see how thats all they had to go on.
P.S As much as you want me to be anti-Moyes to suit your optimism filled counter argument - I’m not. Simply Objective. You should try it. It’s liberating.
76 Posted 04/11/2008 at 16:16:56
He took a perennial relegation candidate, which has been only 2 times in 12 years of EPL in top 10 to 3 European qualification in 4 years, do you know when was the last time that happened?!? Even Harry Catterick can't boost such an achievement and don't forget we used to be known as Merseyside Millionaires.
To your questions ? has Moyes deserved to stay as long as he has? ? More than deserved
Would he have stayed as long as he has under any other chairman? The question should be: If it wasn?t for Moyes would Kenwright have been able to stay so long as a Chairman?
Everything else is for deluded individuals as you and T Marsh
77 Posted 04/11/2008 at 15:51:32
78 Posted 04/11/2008 at 16:48:58
Since we were so successful last year playing on the deck in the middle portion of the season, why does not Moyes put his foot down and get the lads to play to our strength...we DO have players that can play very good FOOTball (not just hoofball!)
PS. Keep ?em coming Tone!
79 Posted 04/11/2008 at 16:57:01
But a two-year-old with thick glasses and a white coat on could tell you that such a study is about as scientific as trephining.
If refusing to accept such clap trap makes me delluded, then so be it.
No-one's denying that Moyes has improved us, but please don?t use such foolish logic to try and prove it.
What we are saying (or what I am saying), is that he has gone as far as he can...
80 Posted 04/11/2008 at 16:44:36
Congrats Tony, shit article, good responses.
81 Posted 04/11/2008 at 17:14:25
82 Posted 04/11/2008 at 18:30:37
83 Posted 04/11/2008 at 19:04:13
Brian Waring, I love your argument. The credit crunch isn’t affecting football because Liverpool and Man Utd still sell out! It all depends on how big the waiting list is! Besides, I’m told by a Man Utd fan that they occasionally ARE actually struggling to sell out now with seats in the North Stand far easier to come by than ever before.
Back to EFC, playing unattractive football in the current economic climate is not going to boost attendances.
84 Posted 04/11/2008 at 19:06:41
It was 9,000 short of capacity.
Don't worry though, BK has a cunning plan . . .
We surrender the city to RS and move to a characterless retail park. in the middle of nowhere.
Ok, so it?ll Alienate half the 30,000 who are staying faithful, but we?ll soon replace them with "thousands and thousands of new fans" from the untapped catchment area that the Mancs and RS havent heard of yet.
Told you it was cunning.
85 Posted 04/11/2008 at 21:15:29
On another note re: attendances i would imagine, just as an estimation that 80/85% of 35000+ crowd of evertonians live within a 3-5 miles radius of the ground and these presumably being the regular followers. Others are possibly those living outside of liverpool or even travelling from abroad. It may not be so painful in the current state watching everton and only travelling 15/20 mins back home but if your like me, doing a 8hr round trip and we’ve lost and played shite, then the whole day is ruined!! which is likely to be the 10/15% of supporters staying away. I for one won’t be attending Goodison until the football changes and players of a ’better’ calibre are brought in. I hope it’s sooner rather than later, fortunately i’ve witnessed some great games at goodison and my last was worth every penny 7-1 sunderland!!!.....i’m certain there won’t be a repeat performance like that for a very long time to come.
86 Posted 04/11/2008 at 22:05:11
There?s was an old saying that went something like you go to Anfield for goals and Goodison for football.
It?s a very long time since that saying stood up to the test.
All this results business is all well and good, but it doesn?t necessarily build a good team.
Nigel Martyn said that what destroyed Leeds United was they started trying to play more football. I cannot agree with him as every time I saw them they were a decent side.
Moyes job is not under threat (at the moment) he has a good group of players yet we still struggle to put in hafl-decent performances.
Like many Evertonians I would forgive the odd defeat if the side was developing a ?STYLE? of play, but like TM I can?t see it happening even after 6 years.
5th from top or 5th from bottom doesn?t matter if the football is crap to watch.
87 Posted 04/11/2008 at 22:35:52
88 Posted 04/11/2008 at 22:56:15
You love the lad yet you moan when Moyes sets up to accomadate him and play to his strengths. I thought he was one of our best players? If he then that’s in a 4-4-1-1 not a 4-4-2 where he doesn’t perform nor does it suit him.
I don’t see what was wrong with the subs to be honest. We wheren’t bossing the midfield with 5 against 4 so we may aswell stick three pacy, physical strikers upfront and go for the more direct route.
Get people into the ball and rough them up. It worked didn’t it? Saha certainly scored from what I remember.
If he’s have brought a centre back on in the last 10 minutes you can moan but Moyes acted fast and brought positive players onto the pitch and it worked.
As people have already stated this so called 4-5-1 is more of a 4-4-1-1 away from home and basically a 4-4-2 with Cahill playing right up alongside Yakubu at Goodison. I’m not a fan of it but that’s what it is. Cahill basically plays as a striker.
If you couldn’t see that in the game then I advise you to watch it again. It’s not like Cahill plays in the middle of the park as a 5th midfielder, he plays in the final third of the pitch slightly deeper than Yakubu.
89 Posted 04/11/2008 at 23:25:31
Not just the numbers, but the ages. The average age is getting higher all the time. In 50 years there’ll be none of us left! Where are all the teenagers? The fans of tomorrow and thecseason ticket holders for years to come.
Personally I think that the drop is down to ( in no particular order):
Ridiculous kick off times ( no Saturday 3pm kick off between AUG 30 & JAN 10 and that’s if the Hull game isn’t moved as well! )
High fuel prices make it more expensive for long distance supporters.
Credit crunch - less spare cash, more job worries etc
The pathetic Summer has bred apathy - nit certainly has in me.
Kirkby has produced alienation in a significant number of fans.
Poor start on the pitch.
Entertainment value low.
Prices too high for many people. Need a more imaginative structure to encourage the young, jobless, poor etc.
Too easy to watch on Sky - Football First is fantastic for the armchair fan - and there’s always the internet and .Pubs showing ( not always legally ) matches.
Lots of reasons.... Football in general wants to watch its step. Fast becoming a Top 4 wankfest while everbody else fights for the UEFA Cup only to find it an arduous, non money making slog that prevents them getting any higher. BORING...
90 Posted 05/11/2008 at 01:56:42
Cahill should not have started, he?s right: Fulham at home, who we have always took 3 points off, should have been a 4-4-2, simple as that. The Yak had no support, Cahill ain?t match fit yet, of course he could have banged one in but so could have 2 strikers against a very poor Fulham side that has bought half a new squad & are very poor.
I?m made up with the 2 clean sheets but sometimes statistics don?t tell the full story. The last 10 minutes of the first half in the Man Utd game and the second half we were great but we still haven?t played a good 90 minutes yet and we?re only 10 games in. Why flood the pitch with strikers coming off the bench when we should have had 2 to start with?
We?ve rode our luck a bit to be honest, being 7th now is to do with the fact everyone is beating each other. Positive football Everton kill teams off. we're out of 2 cups & no excuse about a threadbare squad, only Lars is injured. Chelsea won the prem with a slim squad & now we've got more quality apparently.
Coyb, beat the hammers & if Man Utd do Arsenal & Hull get beat (bubble will burst) we can go 2 points behind them. Lets get out of 2nd gear and move up a notch
91 Posted 05/11/2008 at 05:20:37
It?s enough for me to know that Tony bleeds as Blue as you or i, to know that he was there at the Reebok, hopping up and down when Maro scored, to tolerate his more incendiary, and often, inchoate posts.
But he?s bang on the money here.
The entertainment on display in the last two games has verged on fucking criminal. Criminal in that Moyes is allowed to throw this dreck up before us time and time again, when, as evidenced by the second half against ManUre, this team is capable of so much more.
I cannot remember being as disheartened by three points as I was on Saturday. Utter shit.
Davey boy, yer time is up. The Celtic job will be available soon. Fuckin? run for it.
92 Posted 05/11/2008 at 06:42:30
Our passing is very, very slow and I can hardly remember a defence-splitting pass made from the back to the front in any game this season. Arteta looks like he wants away... his body language is awful and he looks like he is not enjoying his game at all. If he is off form then the whole side suffers as he is our one top class player.
I have been championing Baines cause ever since the Pompey match when he was our lone star. He must be tried in front of Lescott at the expense of either Cahill, Osman or Pienaar because Lescott does not have the pace to attack down the left and is often exposed when trying to get back. He does not have the pace of a Clichy, Cole, Bridge or anyone else of that ilk. He is purely a defender who scores goals from set pieces and that is his job... full stop. Try Baines FFS!!
I want us to win every week, but with some semblance of style.
93 Posted 05/11/2008 at 08:36:18
You admit that Cahill does not work in a 4-4-2, yet can?t see what was wrong with the subs... even though it left Cahill in a 4-4-2 and eventually a 4-3-3..
Can you see what?s wrong with this statement?
94 Posted 05/11/2008 at 09:41:39
I don?t manage a Premier League team so I?m just going to have to default to the man that manages mine - if he thought it was a good idea to replace Fellaini with Saha and we win the game, then thats fine by me.
If he thought it was a good idea to replace Fellaini with Saha and we go on to lose the game, then questions need to be raised.
I don?t know if you?ve noticed but football is a results business. Results are more important than performance (though often good results follow good performances, but not always). We?ve had a shocking start to the season based on the expectation created last time out. We needed a bit of luck to get through that and I would say that we?ve had it. There will be time for good performances later on, results first - ALWAYS, especially when the PL is as competitive as this one is shaping up to be.
My personal opinion is that I?m not sure if Moyes can take us further than he has, BUT he?s also what we?ve got (and likely to have for the next 5 years) so rather than carry on an anti-Moyes tirade and get myself all bitter and twisted I?ll support my club ? lucky or otherwise.
95 Posted 05/11/2008 at 10:00:57
96 Posted 05/11/2008 at 10:19:21
I don’t like to see Cahill starting in a 4-4-2, I’ve said many times he isn’t suited to that position.
But at that point in the game we needed to get close to Fulham and we needed to get into the faces of both Murphy and Bullard who where controlling the second half. He’s got a better workrate than Fellaini and he’s more likely to get in there faces and mix it up. Fellaini despite looking useful was getting bypassed quite alot.
It was a tactical substitution, we weren’t even controlling the game with 5 in midfield so the best way to go was stop them playing and go for the more direct route. Cahill’s not a good centre midfielder by any means but he can certainly do a job there for 20 minutes.
In a 4-3-3 I don’t have a problem, it’s basically a different varitation of 4-5-1. That position would suit Tim.
The Subs worked, Louis Saha scored and we won the game.
97 Posted 05/11/2008 at 12:21:16
I only look forward to two games a season, when we play Arsenal and Man Utd. Both of these teams play attacking exciting football. I know they have been able to spend money but come on, let's not be misled ? I would have hoped we could at least get it into the back four that we do not have a giant rampaging centre forward who can hold the ball up till the troops arrive, so why bang it up field in the hope that we get a break?
We have the players in midfield who like to pass it around, Pienaar, Arteta, Osman, Fellaini. We have strikers who like it into feet in the or around the area, yet week after week after week we resort to long ball "hoof it and see" tactics. Moyes has to look at what he is serving to the fans, I would rather go to the game and be entertained and get beat, rather than play negative football and still get beat.
Moyes also needs to look at what made him so popular at Goodison; he used to make decisions that were bold, he never used to hesitate, he often dragged off two and three at a time, in order to change games. Moyes seems unable to withdraw Cahill from any game, no matter how ineffective he is; also it is apparent that Arteta is having a real dip in form, but he still remains on in every game. Moyes appears to be favouring certain players and isolating others (Baines for example).
I am so frustrated but satisfied that I made the right decision not to get a season tkt this year. I will go to the games that offer me value for money and entertainment in the same package. I still watch us play and feel as frustrated as ever.
Moyes once complained that he was not able to buy the players to take us to the next level; I agree we need major investment for that to happen, but why can he not consolidate and make us the strongest team outside the rich four? We are spun lies and deceit year on year, we are the laughing stock of the league at times. We continually fail to attract the right sort of players, be it because of our wage structure or whatever... but fail we do.
We criticise our players to the extent that form is lost and is difficult to regain, Hibbert, Fellaini, Baines , Neville, Jagielka, Yakubu, Lescott ? the list goes on; these players have all been abused by us "fans". I am not saying that times the have been in need of a good verbal bashing but we never let it go, week on week they are slagged off ? is it not possible that these players talk to other players and that they say when it's good it's great but when it's bad you are never forgiven? And if you add to the fact that we have plenty of bad times why would anyone want to come here?
I could go on, but I think the point is clear, the credit crunch may offer a reason for attendances dropping off, but the simple fact that fans are feeling cheated also has to be considered. The passion needs to be put back into the players and in return the passion will reflect in an upturn in attendances and postive feelings from the fans.
Message to Bill Kenwright: you have done what you could for your beloved blues, but wake up and smell the coffee; you need to sell up to a major investor and soon. Give Moyes the opportunity to deal in the big market, before it is too late and the credit crunch hits our club and we plunge into desperate dangerous waters and find ourselves unable to survive.
98 Posted 05/11/2008 at 12:28:21
Let's see a more positive performance against WHU. I agree Arteta & Pienaar may not be on fire but let's see us getting them into the game more in the last 3rd with better balls into the box for the strikers.
99 Posted 05/11/2008 at 14:48:23
and whenever I?m talking about him in a 4-3-3, he played in a midfield position in that 4-3-3, not in an advanced position.
The substitution was half right ? he brought on the right player but took off the wrong one.
If you intend defaulting to Moyes every time then what?s the point in coming on here...
100 Posted 05/11/2008 at 15:34:23
We have a chairman who says he can’t do any more for the club.
We have a manager who said he can’t do any more with the players he has bought and he coaches.
Despite finishing 6th and 5th and making genuine progress, we are unable to attract quality players to the club.
Despite all the ’stability’ we appear to have no coherent transfer policy.
Seven years on, we are playing the kind of football I would expect from a manager who has just turned up at a club in a crisis.
I’m pleased that we have got seven ugly points in the last week. I suspect that the missing fans are disappointed that after all this time, winning ugly is the best we’re going to get.
101 Posted 05/11/2008 at 16:39:40
102 Posted 05/11/2008 at 16:49:11
Tony, polyfilla is usually sufficient for wall cracks, it is the use of paper alone which is to be avoided ? presumeably you feel we are doing things right.
103 Posted 05/11/2008 at 16:56:25
Unless you are Nostradamus in disguise ? judging from the calibre of your "analyses" I would have to doubt that ? what is the point of spouting the opinion that "he has taken us as far as he can"? Repeat ad nauseum to fade and leave yourself open to the verdict of history which I trust will show you up to be wholly and idiotically wrong.
104 Posted 05/11/2008 at 17:27:38
105 Posted 05/11/2008 at 19:14:04
Brought a smile to my face this comment, so you thought the season after we finished 17 and they then hiked the prices up (in the lower Gwlady by over £100) value for money?
106 Posted 05/11/2008 at 22:05:52
Sorry, I must have missed the bit on the ToffeeWeb homepage that says I can?t post if I disagree with you.
Or is it only those who hate Moyes allowed to post here?
As things stand, I have to default to Moyes, he?s the manager of my club. I don?t have to agree with everything he does, and I reserve the right to complain when things go wrong. Difference between you and I is when we?ve gained 7 points from the last 9 I don?t feel the need to grumble quite so loud.
I?m grateful for where Moyes has taken us in the time he?s been in charge ? either you?ve got a short memory or you?re not grateful? Which is it?
One other question ? if we played just well enough (got late goals to win games we didn?t play well in, got a few lucky draws etc) for the rest of the campaign to get the results we need to score 5th again for example would you be ok with that, or would you still be wound up we didn?t play better?
107 Posted 06/11/2008 at 06:26:38
The Fulham game was bloody awful even on TV. To make matters worse, Moyes brings on the match winner by taking off our most expensive signing, who was probably the only one passing the ball along the grass with class and poise.
Hey, no point passing the ball around in midfield, hoof it to Anichebe at right-midfield, who can hold off 2 players, and set up the cross for either one of Saha, Yak or Vaughan. The percentage game won it in the end, and now we’ll be seeing more of it. Groan!!!!
108 Posted 06/11/2008 at 13:20:26
I certainly didn?t say you couldn?t post and would never consider such a position.... I merely questioned the that lack of personal opinion in ?defaulting to Moyes? every time...
It seems a little puposeless on a forum of this type ? but then again, I suppose the right to an opinion also extends to the right to not have an opinion.
Didn?t mean to offend you.
109 Posted 06/11/2008 at 13:39:28
Michael - I reckon you were a bit hard on Tony - first off the rank an? all that. You asked for more postings!
I?m not saying you?re wrong and Tony?s right but ? eh! give the guy a break. He?s entitled to his opinion.
Let?s face it ? most of the postings are right in one way or another. We?re not playing brilliant football but..... y?know, we?ve got some really good players. We?re just not playing them as a team. So, what?s the problem?
When it comes to management and technical support staff I reckon, other than the quids, it?s the same at any club ? pro or amateur. A club needs a manager who is a leader and a technical support crew that the manager can work with and the support crew that can work with the manager. Get either wrong and you?re stuffed.
I reckon none of the players go out intending to have a crap game but ..... too many of our guys look like they?re eating the wrong damn breakfast cereal. I have the firm belief that it is the manager?s job to take the players he?s got and work them together as a team (OK, he can add to it at allowed window times (cash permitting) but he absolutely must have that clear understanding of strategy).
Look at England. I?ve been saying for years that you can?t play Lampard and Gerrard on the pitch at the same time (well, at least on the same team). They get in each other?s bleedin? way ... all the damn time. So why do all the "high paid" manager/coaches keep on doin? the same thing.
Our guys don?t seem to be fitting together in just the same way. But, as I said earlier, we?ve got some talent. So, pppplease Moyesee.... work out how they fit together and get on with it. It can?t be rocket science.
Do I sound peed off? I reckon, like everyone who has posted here, I?m just frustrated with the crap way we?re playing. We just each have a different idea of exactly where the problem is. Go for it, Marshy, even though I don?t agree with everything you say.
110 Posted 06/11/2008 at 15:57:03
111 Posted 06/11/2008 at 16:25:21
Can't get a pie at half-time, cheap beer at premium prices, last minute rushed signings. Being treated like a second-class citizen by stewards and police. Then, to top it all, the football is erratic in as much we are not aiming to break into the top four anymore. I am not being fooled by the rhetoric. Just thought I?d give you my take on why the gates are down and are dropping. People will put up with a lot of crap if they are being entertained.
112 Posted 08/11/2008 at 07:59:52
On the attendance, I believe it reflects the lack of attraction of the opposition. <>On tactics, I think we all accept that at times (perhaps more!) Moyes is lacking; however, shouldn?t that also be attributable to the assistant coach?
On reflection, I think at times football is about confidence and I believe the current lucky wins (without any question) will be the springboard for an improved belief in our players' ability.
113 Posted 09/11/2008 at 13:29:14
On this occasion (and its a rare one), I do actually agree with most of what you are saying. I don?t know the facts regarding attendances so I can?t comment on that, but from a footballing point of view, I think your post is spot on. I can see why some people would rather stay away and watch on the internet or wherever and save a fortune. Not me, I keep on going the match, but I do find myself wondering why I bother a lot of the time.
It's not been great of late even if the results don?t show it. I like, most fans come away from these drab games which we?ve managed to get 3 points from thinking "oh well, we?ve got the points and that's what really matters", but it would be nice to have a little more that just "the points" from time to time. 45 minutes against Man U, that's the only good football I can remember off the top of my head, maybe there's been more, but if I can?t remember it, that kinda tells me that it wasn?t worth remembering!