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Copying David Moyes's homework?
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So it seems Tottenham have hijacked Naughton's move from Sheff Utd. Is this the current trend of our pre season now, we express an intrerest in a player and other mangers go "oooh brillian idea"?
We know David Moyes likes to do thorough research on players before he buys so maybe other managers are looking at our targets closely. But it seems yet again we fail to seal deals concisely and quickly letting the cat out of the bag and allowing other teams to out muscle us. Maybe this is the Everton way Bill Kenwright likes to speak about. But Everton's way of handling the transfer system is, to put it bluntly, fucking piss-poor.
Looks like we are looking at another last-minute flight to Belgium on the night of transfer deadline day for Kenwright to pull the rabbit out of the hat... again!
Dan Johnson, Posted 17/07/2009 at 09:36:01
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2 Posted 17/07/2009 at 14:18:55
3 Posted 17/07/2009 at 14:27:32
Obviously Redknapp can't get video tapes of players anymore and sits there wondering what those shiny silver discs with the hole in the middle are, that keep getting sent to him, so bidding for players we are bidding for saves paying for scouts I suppose...
We should be flattered; forget about the Sky 4 — it is us the other teams now want to emulate. I suppose we should be flattered.
4 Posted 17/07/2009 at 14:39:20
Naughton may yet sign for Spurs, he might not. Looking on Spurs website, it says nothing; on ours it says little more, and the Sheff website states they have agreed a deal, and it's up to the player.
So at this stage, Naughton and Walker have signed for no-one.
Just because the newspapers say something doesn’t mean its true...
Calm down love, it’s not a commercial.... Jesus..!
5 Posted 17/07/2009 at 14:39:38
If Moyes is so clued up, why didnt he take a legal document with him, some sort of pre-contract contract when he went to see Sheff Utd about Naughton? You know... one of those exclusivity deals Everton love so much. Then, instead of driving home telling BK it was a done deal and the Kid was in the bag (again) only to get out-smarted once more, the lad might be an Everton player right now...
Why do we have to make it so hard for ourselves every time we try to sign a player? Why doesn't DM ever learn? Nothing is ever done until the back of the Echo has the player in an Everton kit.
Get something down on paper, tie the player up, then get him signed on as quick as possible. Never mind all this "He is coming down in 3 days time for a medical and then he signing" nonesense. FFS why is it Harry Redknapps fault?
6 Posted 17/07/2009 at 14:48:10
I rest my case.
7 Posted 17/07/2009 at 14:48:46
8 Posted 17/07/2009 at 15:09:55
Unfortunately, there’s no such thing as a legally binding pre-contract contract, and things can go wrong! All Everton can do is to make the offer, have it accpeted and then do the deal... did Sheffield go back on their word? Did Spurs gazump us? It’s all gone very quiet and there’s no way of telling just yet....
9 Posted 17/07/2009 at 15:13:56
10 Posted 17/07/2009 at 15:19:30
My memory isn’t so good, but didn’t Sourness pay over the odds to get Scott Parker - who quickly realised what a disaster that was and moved back south asap?
Moyes now has a big reputation for bringing players on. Part of this is talent spotting — which is why the likes of O’Neill and 'Arry are watching — but also what happens to them after they’ve joined us. Have any of our "misses" over the last few years gone on to be as successful as The Jag or Tiger Tim?
While EFC could probably do things better, my vote goes to agents (for the player or the selling club) as the villains here. The higher the fee/wages the more they make.
11 Posted 17/07/2009 at 16:01:47
12 Posted 17/07/2009 at 16:24:47
I love that our fans can lament our club's transfer policy when we have brought in world class players for peanuts.
13 Posted 17/07/2009 at 16:34:20
14 Posted 17/07/2009 at 16:39:54
It is quite plain Tony that the only thing that you seem to get any pleasure out of posting on this board is slagging off Moyes when everybody, and I mean everybody, I talk to around the UK thinks he is far and away the best young manager in the Premier League.
15 Posted 17/07/2009 at 16:45:35
16 Posted 17/07/2009 at 16:53:33
17 Posted 17/07/2009 at 17:02:21
18 Posted 17/07/2009 at 17:07:11
Joe Cole and Frank Lampard spring immediately to mind...
19 Posted 17/07/2009 at 17:11:02
20 Posted 17/07/2009 at 17:28:09
My concern is why we can only ever conduct one deal at a time when we need a few players brought in. And the club said they wanted players in early. As ever we’ve been suckered into it and bought our season tickets early and the club will just be laughing at us.
21 Posted 17/07/2009 at 17:41:12
In regards to transfers, can someone explain what else Everton could have done with this deal? Offer accepted and we were to talk to Naughton when he came back from Malta but old twitchy got involved and Sheff United started acting like a spurned ex, not even taking calls from us.
What could we have done differently?
22 Posted 17/07/2009 at 17:40:17
23 Posted 17/07/2009 at 17:48:25
Everton did not let the cat out of the bag. A deal was agreed for Naughton and publicly announced by his club. Everton played it by the book.
It matters not a bit that Redknapp may or may not have been on Naughton’s case. A deal was agreed subject only to player’s terms. Sheff Utd announced this (thanks Stewart Littler) and then tried to gazump Everton out of greed.
Anybody who confuses the flawed ethics of one club for the failed professionalism of another, has lost the plot and is presumably in secure accommodation.
24 Posted 17/07/2009 at 17:58:24
Paul Ince, Jamie Redknapp, Joe cole, Rio Ferdinand, Frank Lampard, Anton Ferdinand, Michael Carrick, Jermain Defoe — that's nearly an England team right there... and there are many more.
How's that? — all through the youth system he set up as well.
25 Posted 17/07/2009 at 18:27:56
26 Posted 17/07/2009 at 18:32:16
27 Posted 17/07/2009 at 18:19:40
Crediting Redknapp for the likes of Ferdinand and Lampard is like crediting Moyes for Rooney. These players were always going to break through to the first team at some point.
Redknapp has made a career out of buying well-known under-achievers and helping them reach their potential, but when has he ever previously signed young British talent from the lower divisions?
I do agree with you on one point though, if we lose out on Naughton, it smacks of another transfer cock-up by Everton. Why make a bid for a player when he’s not around to discuss terms and take a medical???
28 Posted 17/07/2009 at 18:32:58
I am not arsed who met the player or who shook the lads hand — all that matters is the deal fucked up and the player slipped away. It happens too often for my liking but if you think it's ok to work in this manner then you haven't got a clue about football.
29 Posted 17/07/2009 at 18:53:38
And its RedKnapp!!!
Admit it, your problem is personal for whatever reason with Moyes.
30 Posted 17/07/2009 at 19:28:24
Oh, and fuck Sheff United, fuck his agents, and fuck Redknapp, cunt. How does a moron like that get in charge of a rich club like Spurs?
31 Posted 17/07/2009 at 19:26:37
I’m as pissed off as you when I see so many deals not taking place. But this is really not David Moyes’s fault I’m sorry to say. Just a team having more money than us. And we all know who’s fault that is.
32 Posted 17/07/2009 at 19:57:03
33 Posted 17/07/2009 at 20:15:39
I hope Moyes directs his attention now towards buying a right midfielder to replace Osman. Then he can play Arteta, Cahill, Fellaini and Pienaar plus the new signing in midfield and move Neville back to right back. I do get the feeling that Moyes is only really comfortable when he’s trying to sign defenders.
34 Posted 17/07/2009 at 20:19:50
I am not directly blaming Moyes, I think it's a combination of many dfferent factors, Moyes just being apart of a set-up that can't get things done properly most of the time.
It gives me no pleasure to see our club lagging behind others when it comes to the transfer market but I can't sit back and pretend Bill Kenwright, Moyes, Wyness and Elstone will put things right.
Every season, this very t same hing happens and WE all end up shredding the nerve ends on 31 August, waiting for players to come in but they never do...
If things in your mind are all hunky dory regarding these matters then you haven't got a clue... WHEN was the last time we signed a player who was first on our list?? I can't remember but that's all right because you don't take me seriously
35 Posted 17/07/2009 at 20:29:53
If we get this Cana bloke from under the noses of Hamburg & Kyle whoever signs for those muppets then it’ll be 1 lost, 1 gained... now let's get the season under way.
Moyes and the crew should come up with some decoys, say that we were impressed by Titus Bramble & Clint Dempsey last year and they’re both a good age for defenders, then see if anyone jumps in to gazump the deals while sorting a few youngster deals out on the sly.
Has anyone mentioned the Sports Interactive (did I get that right) deal this summer? Does Moyes do his ’hard work’ by looking at the numbers from the ’army’ of scouts they have out there?
Who cares, Tottenham will wreck these defenders like they have every other feckin' defender since Campbell.
36 Posted 17/07/2009 at 20:37:38
37 Posted 17/07/2009 at 20:39:10
38 Posted 17/07/2009 at 21:12:17
39 Posted 17/07/2009 at 21:28:43
As for what we could have done, well, perhaps as soon as a fee was agreed, we should have insisted on him not playing a friendly game and risking injury. Maybe flew him over that night for talks and a medical instead of giving other clubs two whole days to get involved.
40 Posted 17/07/2009 at 21:38:47
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1200471/Everton-poised-land-Blades-defender-Naughton-despite-Spurs-talks.html?ITO=1490
41 Posted 17/07/2009 at 21:42:33
42 Posted 17/07/2009 at 22:32:26
There’s also this one...
http://followeverton.com/2009/07/17/kyle-naughton-to-sign-for-everton/
43 Posted 17/07/2009 at 22:42:01
44 Posted 17/07/2009 at 23:14:13
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5438841,00.html
It basically says that Harry Redknapp has no deals in the pipeline and would be comfortable with not signing anyone.
45 Posted 18/07/2009 at 00:17:24
He makes me sick, talking about other teams’ players like they’re his own. He couldn’t lace Moyes’s sporran!
46 Posted 18/07/2009 at 00:22:40
Just like the bloke at the end of the bar in your local, I heard it from a very good source, "my auntie's cat in fact..."
47 Posted 18/07/2009 at 10:27:52
As to our way of dealing in the transfer market, Moyes / Kenwright haven’t done badly with our buys so far (Krøldrup excepted).
48 Posted 18/07/2009 at 13:41:45
49 Posted 18/07/2009 at 15:28:57
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1 Posted 17/07/2009 at 22:52:46