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Having missed out on Naughton, it looks like another highly rated target could slip away:
Cana 'In Talks with Sunderland'
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5451492,00.html P> Apparently he's worth about £6m, but I should not think for a second we will gazump Sunderland in the way Tottenham did us.
ps: I hope Naughton never even see's the first team at Tottenham - let alone the Premier League.
pps: I'm not bitter at all.
Paul Fuller, Posted 24/07/2009 at 09:59:07
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Patty Beesley
2 Posted 24/07/2009 at 13:54:06
2 Posted 24/07/2009 at 13:54:06
I still feel upset at the underhanded dealings of Spurs "Twitchy" Manager. In fact, I feel very bitter and hope they have a horrendous season and so do Sheffield United for their part in the situation we found ourselves in thanks to the integrity of Football Managers
Brian Waring
3 Posted 24/07/2009 at 13:57:18
3 Posted 24/07/2009 at 13:57:18
Patty, what did Spurs and Sheff utd actually do that was underhanded?
The way I see it, is that Spurs offered more money, plus a chance of some short term loan deals of Spur’s players, loaned them one of the players involved in the deal back for a season, so with that on the table, why should Sheff utd have taken our offer?
The way I see it, is that Spurs offered more money, plus a chance of some short term loan deals of Spur’s players, loaned them one of the players involved in the deal back for a season, so with that on the table, why should Sheff utd have taken our offer?
Jay Woods
4 Posted 24/07/2009 at 14:07:15
4 Posted 24/07/2009 at 14:07:15
@ Brian Waring: Didn’t they agree to sell Naughton to us? Isn’t that what had Moyes so enraged, that they agreed something then broke their word? In many people’s eyes, that’s very much underhand.
Ciarán McGlone
5 Posted 24/07/2009 at 14:05:43
5 Posted 24/07/2009 at 14:05:43
Christ almighty,
What exactly is underhand about another team putting in a bid for a player we’ve had a bid accepted for?
We don’t have a monopoly on a player just because of an accepted bid. Christ, any chance people could get this through their skulls.
What exactly is underhand about another team putting in a bid for a player we’ve had a bid accepted for?
We don’t have a monopoly on a player just because of an accepted bid. Christ, any chance people could get this through their skulls.
Brian Waring
6 Posted 24/07/2009 at 14:10:31
6 Posted 24/07/2009 at 14:10:31
Jay, so what, they agreed to sell to us. Was there a legal contract broken? I mentioned the other week on another thread that if team A offered us £10m for Arteta and we agreed on that price, then team B came in and then offered us £13m, do you think we would say "No, we agreed to the offer from team A, so we are going to stick with that." Would we fuck! BK and Moyes would bite team B’s fucking hand off, and we all would be encouraging them to do it.
Anthony Newell
7 Posted 24/07/2009 at 14:21:53
7 Posted 24/07/2009 at 14:21:53
The fact that Spurs appear to be suffering some kind of ’defensive crisis’ is something to savour, aside from their first fixture.
Gavin Ramejkis
8 Posted 24/07/2009 at 14:30:02
8 Posted 24/07/2009 at 14:30:02
Black Bill has no money until the Sky cheque clears, no surprise despite record profits and DM having the cojones to admit what that lying bastard won’t; he has no money.
Jamie Morgan
9 Posted 24/07/2009 at 14:37:35
9 Posted 24/07/2009 at 14:37:35
Wow a post about Lorik Cana that suddenly turns into Bill bashing and slagging off everyone else's dealings!!!
We have a good core of players, I am confident that some will come in, I’d love Cana to anchor that midfield and admit to getting twitchy that Sunderland and much lesser clubs may beat us to these players. But come on we all know the score, By the middle of August if no transfers are made I’ll start to be concerned.
My main wish is simply to keep Lescott!
We have a good core of players, I am confident that some will come in, I’d love Cana to anchor that midfield and admit to getting twitchy that Sunderland and much lesser clubs may beat us to these players. But come on we all know the score, By the middle of August if no transfers are made I’ll start to be concerned.
My main wish is simply to keep Lescott!
Anthony Newell
10 Posted 24/07/2009 at 14:47:46
10 Posted 24/07/2009 at 14:47:46
Careful not to set your sights to high Jamie!
Just think, in next to no time, the Arsenal game will have come and gone, (Eduardo probably sinking us with a couple) and we’ll be bemoaning the promises to get players in early this time round.
You’d be excused for losing the will to live given this recurring charade.
Just think, in next to no time, the Arsenal game will have come and gone, (Eduardo probably sinking us with a couple) and we’ll be bemoaning the promises to get players in early this time round.
You’d be excused for losing the will to live given this recurring charade.
Dan McKie
11 Posted 24/07/2009 at 15:17:27
11 Posted 24/07/2009 at 15:17:27
There was never anything to suggest we were even in for this player, or at least nothing from official lines. Cana wont make much difference to Sunderland anyway, they are awful! As for Spurs, they will probably end up ruining another 2 promising careers. I really hope that on opening day, that Liverpool w.....wi......I really hope Liverpool get a point against them, that's how much I hate them right now!
Chris Matheson
12 Posted 24/07/2009 at 15:30:01
12 Posted 24/07/2009 at 15:30:01
If we keep Lescott, it’ll be like signing a new player.
Jon Beck
13 Posted 24/07/2009 at 15:28:02
13 Posted 24/07/2009 at 15:28:02
Has Moyes confirmed his interest in Cana? If not how are we missing out on a target? Is it underhand to grant permission for a club to talk to a player then withdraw it? Was there a verbal contract? It’s all about opinions and values I guess? So many questions lol.
Jay Woods
14 Posted 24/07/2009 at 15:31:24
14 Posted 24/07/2009 at 15:31:24
@ Ciaran & Brian: Chaps, we’re discussing two slightly different points. As I understand it, Sheff Utd had not merely accepted our bid only to accept an even better bid from Spurs (which is fair enough), but they did something else; they agreed to sell the player to us, only to break that agreement. In some countries, that constitutes a breach of contract; I think maybe even in Scotland that’s the case over verbal agreements to buy property (and Moyes is a Scot after all, but I digress).
And Ciaran, any chance of keeping this party polite? You can make your points without becoming abusive, surely?
And Ciaran, any chance of keeping this party polite? You can make your points without becoming abusive, surely?
Tony Williams
15 Posted 24/07/2009 at 15:35:37
15 Posted 24/07/2009 at 15:35:37
Ha ha, nice one Chris.
Watch this space......doh!
Watch this space......doh!
Patty Beesley
16 Posted 24/07/2009 at 15:34:23
16 Posted 24/07/2009 at 15:34:23
Brian...The way I understood it was Everton’s bid for Naughton had been accepted and Naughton wanted to come to us rather than A. Villa or Spurs. Then in steps Spurs Arthur Daly and offers more cash etc. so Sheff United then virtually told us to get lost and Spurs are in the driving seat. Naughton so badly wanted to come to us that he didn’t turn up for his medical at Whitehart Lane. Sheff United then decided that we could have another bite of the cherry [ whether Everton offered to up the bid or not I dont know] and Everton spent all the following weekend working on Naughton joining us. Jags even took the lad on one side and told him the benefits of coming to Goodison. All seemed done and dusted and then Sheff United threw it back in our faces again presumably because Spurs had gazumped us yet again and they ended up at Spurs. Sorry I just feel Naughton has made the wrong choice in the long term [ if he ever had one ] and that’s not because I’m an Evertonian.
I see Sheff United have signed three players today.... wonder where they got the money from !!!
I see Sheff United have signed three players today.... wonder where they got the money from !!!
Will Leaf
17 Posted 24/07/2009 at 15:14:10
17 Posted 24/07/2009 at 15:14:10
I Cana take it anymore...sorry.
The Cana rumours really piqued my interest as I believe he would solve a couple of our deficiencies, and not for that exorbitant of a price. Anyone can see we have looked desperately lightweight in a couple of our encounters, and some of the lesser lights, Newcastle and Blackburn come to mind, simply booted us off the park for 90 minutes last season. It worked then and we are likely to see more in 09-10.
If we are only looking at one "major" signing, however, at least Cana could shore up our middle, with Pip slotting to Right Back. Having an enforcer to support Arteta certainly excites this fan.
The Right Mid/Winger position still a gaping deficiency in this scenario. I would not countenance Arteta moving to to R Mid as he has been so effective in the middle, and it would be a blow to his morale if Moyes asked him to switch back, this being a World Cup year. Arteta has hinted as much in the press, and I’m afraid he’d want be off if we took him out of the middle.
Eats at your gut being an Everton supporter.
The Cana rumours really piqued my interest as I believe he would solve a couple of our deficiencies, and not for that exorbitant of a price. Anyone can see we have looked desperately lightweight in a couple of our encounters, and some of the lesser lights, Newcastle and Blackburn come to mind, simply booted us off the park for 90 minutes last season. It worked then and we are likely to see more in 09-10.
If we are only looking at one "major" signing, however, at least Cana could shore up our middle, with Pip slotting to Right Back. Having an enforcer to support Arteta certainly excites this fan.
The Right Mid/Winger position still a gaping deficiency in this scenario. I would not countenance Arteta moving to to R Mid as he has been so effective in the middle, and it would be a blow to his morale if Moyes asked him to switch back, this being a World Cup year. Arteta has hinted as much in the press, and I’m afraid he’d want be off if we took him out of the middle.
Eats at your gut being an Everton supporter.
Cathal Naughton
18 Posted 24/07/2009 at 15:46:47
18 Posted 24/07/2009 at 15:46:47
Hear BK has made a very tempting offer for Cana; A lifetime supply of Chang beer and and a signed copy of BK’s upcoming autobiography: "Watch this space I’ll remortgage it to the hilth"
Alan Clarke
19 Posted 24/07/2009 at 15:52:21
19 Posted 24/07/2009 at 15:52:21
Again, not too arsed about missing out on this guy. If he was the answer to our central midfield problem why are Marseille letting him go and why did they replace him with M’Bia?
We have a few options in central midfielders: Neville, Arteta, Fellaini, Cahill, Rodwell. As Neville is Moyes’ favourite there’s no way he’s dropping him so I’m not sure where Cana would fit in and I would rather see Rodwell given a chance.
Right mid / wing is an absolute must. I would even throw Osman in as a part exchange if we’re chort of funds. The £6 million from naughton + Osman must find us a decent player.
We have a few options in central midfielders: Neville, Arteta, Fellaini, Cahill, Rodwell. As Neville is Moyes’ favourite there’s no way he’s dropping him so I’m not sure where Cana would fit in and I would rather see Rodwell given a chance.
Right mid / wing is an absolute must. I would even throw Osman in as a part exchange if we’re chort of funds. The £6 million from naughton + Osman must find us a decent player.
Ciarán McGlone
20 Posted 24/07/2009 at 16:05:41
20 Posted 24/07/2009 at 16:05:41
Jay,
A club cannot agree to sell a player without that player agreeing to it!
There was no contract to sell, there was simply a agreed fee - otherwise it would be in the high court already.
SO YOU’RE WRONG - PLAIN AND SIMPLE....
And while people continual to jump to half baked conclusions - then i’ll continue to be exasperated at their nonsense!
A club cannot agree to sell a player without that player agreeing to it!
There was no contract to sell, there was simply a agreed fee - otherwise it would be in the high court already.
SO YOU’RE WRONG - PLAIN AND SIMPLE....
And while people continual to jump to half baked conclusions - then i’ll continue to be exasperated at their nonsense!
Patty Beesley
21 Posted 24/07/2009 at 16:30:32
21 Posted 24/07/2009 at 16:30:32
In that case Ciaran, cast your mind back to Duncan Ferguson and tell me he agreed to go to Newcastle!!!
Anthony Millington
22 Posted 24/07/2009 at 16:22:48
22 Posted 24/07/2009 at 16:22:48
Does anyone know what is going on with Rasmus Elm? Apparently he was invited to look around the training ground with Moyes and we were going to put a bid in for him. I love the next bit, Moyes waits and waits and then another club (Heerenveen) put a bid in for him. This transfer policy seems to be following a familiar pattern, like Kyle Naughton. Why did we not get that deal boxed off before the weekend? Why did we have to wait 3 days for him to have a medical? Anyone remember Manuel Fernandes? Exactly the same happened we waited weeks and weeks and then Valencia came in and he’s off.
Ciarán McGlone
23 Posted 24/07/2009 at 16:42:28
23 Posted 24/07/2009 at 16:42:28
Patty,
Yes, Duncan did indeed agree terms with Newcastle.
Yes, Duncan did indeed agree terms with Newcastle.
Jay Woods
24 Posted 24/07/2009 at 17:09:05
24 Posted 24/07/2009 at 17:09:05
@ Ciaran: It must feel so good to be utterly right all the time!
Chris Matheson
25 Posted 24/07/2009 at 17:28:31
25 Posted 24/07/2009 at 17:28:31
Anthony, I have no news on the Elm transfer. However I do know that if we sign him, it will be like making a new signing.
Anthony Newell
26 Posted 24/07/2009 at 17:36:30
26 Posted 24/07/2009 at 17:36:30
Not being funny but does anyone give a flying fuck about Rasmus Elm or any other boody freshman from America’s vauxhall league? The fact that these are appearing as our ’transfer news’ is an embarrasment in itself
Geoff Edwards
27 Posted 24/07/2009 at 18:56:02
27 Posted 24/07/2009 at 18:56:02
Jay, to be fair, most of the time he IS right, if a little overly negative!
With regard to the Naughton situation he’s defnitely right. The fact is we have to face situations like these as long as we don’t have enough money. It must be common knowldge amongst selling clubs that Everton are skint and that they’ll probably get a better financial deal selling their players to other clubs.
www.worldfootballcolumns.com
With regard to the Naughton situation he’s defnitely right. The fact is we have to face situations like these as long as we don’t have enough money. It must be common knowldge amongst selling clubs that Everton are skint and that they’ll probably get a better financial deal selling their players to other clubs.
www.worldfootballcolumns.com
Gavin Ramejkis
28 Posted 24/07/2009 at 19:30:52
28 Posted 24/07/2009 at 19:30:52
Anthony Newell to be fair Rasmus Elm looks to be a solid enough shot to take, played very well in the U21s and as much as it gauls me to say it actually smacks them in from outside the box a la the RS Creasehead so is worth a gamble, but to also say I am in complete agreement that US College players do nothing to excite me one bit and smacks of a new low in getting players on the ultra bargain bin shopping aisle.
As far as Cana in concerned he could add something sadly missing from our current miniscule squad and that’s a hard man in midfield given Osman can be smashed off a ball far too often by pub teams like Blackburn and Bolton and danced around by Arsenal and Chelski any addition that would give us an alternative would be welcome.
As far as Cana in concerned he could add something sadly missing from our current miniscule squad and that’s a hard man in midfield given Osman can be smashed off a ball far too often by pub teams like Blackburn and Bolton and danced around by Arsenal and Chelski any addition that would give us an alternative would be welcome.
Paul O'Hanlon
29 Posted 24/07/2009 at 19:56:43
29 Posted 24/07/2009 at 19:56:43
He’s just signed for Sunderland, so that’s put that rumour to bed.
When did Moyes or anyone at Everton ever say he was a target anyway? And is he really that special when the only clubs bidding for him were Sunderland and a german club?
When did Moyes or anyone at Everton ever say he was a target anyway? And is he really that special when the only clubs bidding for him were Sunderland and a german club?
Paul O'Hanlon
30 Posted 24/07/2009 at 20:20:08
30 Posted 24/07/2009 at 20:20:08
On the plus side we’ve just taken on trial Port Vale youngster James Lawrie. I predict he’ll be a driving force
Anthony Newell
31 Posted 24/07/2009 at 20:36:58
31 Posted 24/07/2009 at 20:36:58
Hugh Lawrie would be quite apt right now
Anthony Newell
32 Posted 24/07/2009 at 20:37:49
32 Posted 24/07/2009 at 20:37:49
Gav, if Elm is worth a shot as you say, where would you slot him in to a fully fit side? Does he possess enough ability to go straight into a starting eleven?
I’d like to see quality come in to directly replace those with shortcomings i.e. Hibbert, Osman and to a lesser extent Neville
Bright lights for the future are all well and good but we’ve seen plenty of those: Scott Spencer et al. What we need now is key changes to weak personnel
I’d like to see quality come in to directly replace those with shortcomings i.e. Hibbert, Osman and to a lesser extent Neville
Bright lights for the future are all well and good but we’ve seen plenty of those: Scott Spencer et al. What we need now is key changes to weak personnel
Matt Bone
33 Posted 24/07/2009 at 20:57:37
33 Posted 24/07/2009 at 20:57:37
Sunderland boss Steve Bruce has confirmed the £5million signing of midfielder Lorik Cana from Marseille on a four-year deal.
FFS
Guess we aint buying until Lescott moves on.
FFS
Guess we aint buying until Lescott moves on.
Aodhan O'Faolain
34 Posted 24/07/2009 at 21:20:18
34 Posted 24/07/2009 at 21:20:18
Did we really want Cana. From what I could pick up on him the jury seemed to be out on if he was any good. However in light of today’s developments in court the less said about the intelligence of juries the better.
Alan McGuffog
35 Posted 24/07/2009 at 21:37:22
35 Posted 24/07/2009 at 21:37:22
Word down here is that Lawrie is most certainly one to watch and has impressed for both Vale and Norn Irn.
Don’t get too exited tho’ as Nantwich Town are sniffing around and we all know that we just can’t compete with these sorts of clubs and the sorts of packages they offer.
Don’t get too exited tho’ as Nantwich Town are sniffing around and we all know that we just can’t compete with these sorts of clubs and the sorts of packages they offer.
Shane Brannigan
36 Posted 24/07/2009 at 21:54:14
36 Posted 24/07/2009 at 21:54:14
Deja Vu is a terrible thing, so much promise very little action exactly like last summer....... to be honest at this stage id be over the moon if we snatched up fucking Graeme Murty
What a Coup, and like Chris said (genius by the way was in stitches) be like a new signing!!!!
Haha roll on deadline day see moyes do his David Copperfield trick, making players appear from no where.
What a Coup, and like Chris said (genius by the way was in stitches) be like a new signing!!!!
Haha roll on deadline day see moyes do his David Copperfield trick, making players appear from no where.
Eddy Grundy
37 Posted 24/07/2009 at 22:18:27
37 Posted 24/07/2009 at 22:18:27
What about Peter Reid, if we got him it would seem like an OLD signing.
Robert Aspinall
38 Posted 24/07/2009 at 23:12:21
38 Posted 24/07/2009 at 23:12:21
cana has signed for sunderland, £5mill
http://fourfourtwo.com/news/england/34132/default.aspx
http://fourfourtwo.com/news/england/34132/default.aspx
Keith Glazzard
39 Posted 24/07/2009 at 23:25:38
39 Posted 24/07/2009 at 23:25:38
Cana, well known Albanian signs for Sunderland, £5m.
Sorry.
Who are we talking about?
Sorry.
Who are we talking about?
John Martin
40 Posted 25/07/2009 at 00:01:58
40 Posted 25/07/2009 at 00:01:58
We were never going to sign Cana as he costs money. When we miss out on a top 4 place next year i hope BK is very happy with himself.
Jason Broome
41 Posted 25/07/2009 at 01:09:38
41 Posted 25/07/2009 at 01:09:38
Looks like I’m last to this party. Lorik Cana... How the hell did Sunderland manage to do what we couldn’t!
What’s the point of coming 5th, reaching the Cup Final and qualifying for Europe if we can’t improve on the squad and push forward?
Totally out of character for me to say this but I’m swinging round to the Marsh way of thinking. We can’t carry on like this.
What’s the point of coming 5th, reaching the Cup Final and qualifying for Europe if we can’t improve on the squad and push forward?
Totally out of character for me to say this but I’m swinging round to the Marsh way of thinking. We can’t carry on like this.
Chad Schofield
42 Posted 25/07/2009 at 01:47:29
42 Posted 25/07/2009 at 01:47:29
Disappointing.
I begrudge neither Spurs or Sunderland for actually reaching into their pockets and paying for the players we have missed out on. Unproven in the Premier League both players may be, but then so were Pienaar, Arteta, Lescott, Fellaini, Cahill, Rodwell, Baxter, Vaughan, Anichebe, Gosling and of course Rooney.
I begrudge neither Spurs or Sunderland for actually reaching into their pockets and paying for the players we have missed out on. Unproven in the Premier League both players may be, but then so were Pienaar, Arteta, Lescott, Fellaini, Cahill, Rodwell, Baxter, Vaughan, Anichebe, Gosling and of course Rooney.
Andy Hegan
43 Posted 24/07/2009 at 22:07:27
43 Posted 24/07/2009 at 22:07:27
David Moyes represents the best prospect for the future of our club in its ENTIRE history. This is the first time I have noticed him talking about specifics where transfers are concerned: positions, numbers etc. Still we are barren. Naughton is the first one to take the piss, stand by for Elm to do the same.
We all know by now that managers don't get involved in negotiations. Therefore only one course of action remains — we have to hound this current Board out by whatever means necessary. I've always been a BK sympathiser but this time even I have cracked.
If we stand around and allow our best chance in over 100 years to go to waste then we deserve all we get. IMWT
Mark Stone
44 Posted 28/07/2009 at 15:52:05
44 Posted 28/07/2009 at 15:52:05
When did anyone at Everton say they wanted to sign this lad?
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