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Oz: Wrong choice

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I am really not getting our marketing department. We bring in THE biggest football name the USA has, and what do we do —- ignore it!

Why are we going to Australia this summer? Surely it makes so much more sense to visit the States and optimise the connection with Landon rather than start all over again in Oz, where, with respect, I can't see the commercial opportunities being any way near as beneficial.

We should be organising a tournament with us and three MLS sides (including the likes of LA and NY) that will firmly put us on the map. I know we have been to the States before but never have we been on the back of such a positive press from our tie in with their star player.

I honestly can't understand this decision to ignore a potentially money-spinning trip. If we are going to leave Europe during pre-season it has to be for the best of the club and from where I am, Australia over USA just doesn't quite stack up.

To summarise — I think we are missing a big opportunity that could:

  1. Help us get Landon back
  2. Increase the awareness of EFC in a country where football is really starting to take off
  3. God forbid, maybe help us find a potential investor!
As well as signing Pienaar up and bringing in additional players this summer, us having a commercially focussed, savvy Marketing/PR team is also up there on my wish list!
Brian Sneddon, Liverpool     Posted 02/05/2010 at 00:13:50

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Joel Webb
1   Posted 02/05/2010 at 02:15:50

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I think a big factor would be that Australia are in the middle of a world cup bid and have money to burn on promo stuff like this. Fulham were here last year but didn't attract big crowds alhough Celtic played in Brisbane which I think was a sell out.

You make a good point Brian but as a Melbournian I'm just really lookin forward to seeing the boys rack up a cricket score against the Heart!

Vijay Nair
2   Posted 02/05/2010 at 04:16:20

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Agreed Joel. Just a pity its at Etihad and not the new stadium.. But hey... I'll be booking my tickets in as soon as they are out!
Peter Bradshaw
3   Posted 02/05/2010 at 07:04:05

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Good choice for the blues coming out here, Everton have massive support in Oz because of Tiny Tim and the fact that we had Lucas Neill for a while and Eddie Bosnar although he made no impact.

The expected gates for Everton are in the 30-thousand mark and the fact that they are speaking to Brisbane Roar to set up an footy school here is a great thing, bringing our brand worldwide.

Looking forward to going to all three games. COYB
Billy Rhys
4   Posted 02/05/2010 at 08:02:55

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I cant wait as I am now living in Melbourne. At the end of the day, you're just gutted cause the USA is closer to travel to. Do you really know how many Everton fans are here? I tell you now I'm shocked with how many... and it would be good for Tiger Tim to come home and show the team he plays for are the dogs bollox.

It's not always about money, it's showing your loyalty to the whole world and we've been to the USA a few times, I don't see any changes it's made for us. Landon Donovan, if he comes or not, will always have good things to say about us.

Anyways, I just can't wait to see the greatest football team on earth who are willing to travel anywhere to show their loyalty to the world.

Chris Dawson
5   Posted 02/05/2010 at 09:37:08

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In terms of potential benefit to the club, it would have to be USA over Oz, particularly after having Landon here. You only have to look at the number of extra US based contributors we have had on this site since his arrival to know which would have more impact. Added to this is the fact that the population of the US is over 5 times that of Oz, and that California (LA Galaxy territory) has one of the largest economies in the world on its own, makes it a no brainer.

If we wanted to take advantage of timmy's status we should have had a tour of Oz after the last World Cup when he really was at the height of his powers.

Karl Masters
6   Posted 02/05/2010 at 09:49:28

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A pity we can't do both.

Fly back from Oz into LA or San Fran and play a game there before returning to England.

I suppose it depends what we have planned at home, but if it's more Rochdale and Oldham type games then why not?

ps: I know it's probably too late, but just a thought...
Nick Entwistle
7   Posted 02/05/2010 at 10:23:25

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In Oz, the sports ahead of football commercially, I'd take a guess at one or both codes of rugby, Aussie Rules, maybe cricket, then football right up there.

And as I said on a previous post some time ago, of all the commercially popular sports in the US, football ranks just behind tractor pulling and drive by shooting.

And where are these 'extra US based contributors'? They went a little quiet once the man left.
Tony McNulty
8   Posted 02/05/2010 at 10:39:39

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David Hallwood
9   Posted 02/05/2010 at 11:45:55

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Nick Entwistle; all brands or products start somewhere, otherwise there would be no new chocolate bars because Mars & Kit Kat have got the market covered... so why bother eh? It's not the way to look at a market, and football in the US apparently is on the up; personally I'm surprised that it's isn't more popular because of the amount of Latin Americans living there.

But we have a long way to go and our commercial department needs a rocket up its arse; I checked out a US sitehttp://www.worldsoccershop.com/shop-by-team.html and the Sky3 + RS is there with the shirts selling at $69-100, so was Villa & Spurs, and the Everton section you could buy a baseball cap, a ball and a bottle cooler. And this is with Tim Howard & Donovan playing for us. Rocket up their arse? No.... sack the them all and start again.

John McLoughlin
10   Posted 02/05/2010 at 13:17:38

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Do we have anybody working in Marketing?

I'm not surprised we've not taken the opportunity to continue the work we've put in in the States over the last few years developing our name. Is it any wonder we don't make any money?0 "Soccer" will be higher profile in the States this year because of the World Cup, We already have one of their top stars and a connection with their biggest.

Clueless our club at times...

Phil Bellis
11   Posted 02/05/2010 at 14:15:56

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Spot on David, fully agree. It took a commercial firm to force the club to get a City Centre presence. The malaise even spreads into the fanbase — Why reach for the stars? We've got no money... We can't compete... Best of the rest...

Bollocks!

Colin Potter
12   Posted 02/05/2010 at 15:59:31

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Nick Entwistle; I like that drive by shooting touch. Have you tried it youself going past Anfield? (hee hee)
Sean McCarthy
13   Posted 02/05/2010 at 17:16:52

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".... We should be organising a tournament with us and three MLS sides (including the likes of LA and NY)......"

New York are that good they just moved to Buffalo coz theyre crap and no one goes to their games!!!!

It's a pre-season tour and about a bit of PR and getting fitness levels back. But no, it's not good enough for the Toffeewebbers who like to moan and groan about everything the Club does. In some people's eyes, whatever EFC does they're never happy.

Enjoy the summer you miserable gits!!
Iain Love
14   Posted 02/05/2010 at 19:46:46

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Brian, spot on; our marketing dept is totally shit... always has been as well. I'm not one for wearing the shirt on holiday but I would wear Everton-related gear if I could find anything half decent. It really pisses me off when I go abroad and can buy the Sky 4 plus fucking Spurs and Newcastle gear but not ours, even when I see loads of people wearing the Blue.

Donovan is a dream ticket to the States and we go to Oz??????? Dickheads.
No offence to Oz by the way, I'm sure you would agree, USA has the greater potential for us.

Steven Smyth
15   Posted 02/05/2010 at 20:32:08

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I always thought pre season games was to get all the lads back up to match fitness before the season starts as they all go away on holiday and let their hair down!!!! Come back and some have put weight on and will want to lose it, I certainly dont see a problem with going to austrailia but see the point in making the connection with donovan but since when have everton listened to their fans!!!!!!!!
James Flynn
16   Posted 02/05/2010 at 22:03:28

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In general, I agree with Brian's proposal to go to the US. Not that US fans are more deserving than Oz ones. Not at all. But in cash potential, one country's population is 12-13 times larger. Pretty basic. That EFC is planting the flag in Oz is terrific. But, let's get back to America ASAP. With that, a couple of things:

US or Oz, these things take a lot of scheduling... A lot. Without being in on EFC meetings, I'd guess that DM only announced the trip after all the arrangements were completed and signed off on by all parties. I'd bet the talks for a tour down under were already under way when Landon came aboard a few months ago.

Plus, who knew at the time how successful Landon's stay would be? EFC's success against the top team's during that time... DM's hope to extend the loan, etc? A lot of things broke right for the team at once. All while the Oz trip was being worked on.

The magic cash wand to wave is winning. Let's:

a. Get Donovan. He doesn't have to leave LA Galaxy to make his money. Makes a nice salary, very nice endorsement deals in US and Mexico... He WANTS to come back to EFC. He's said it enough times.

b. Be here this time next year discussing EFC and 3 other teams regarding the CL.

c. Set up that US tour.

Look, I'm an American. That EFC didn't/hasn't tried to take advantage of its profile increase over here is a little surprising. Merchandising is synonymous with sports team success... certainly with generating revenue streams. All top teams do it. I'm only in here for these few months so far.

Is the front office really incompetent? DM has built the club without much money. That certainly speaks to managerial ability and competence. However, if the marketing end is second-rate, there's no telling how much revenue is being lost. At its core, marketing is finding ways to scream EFC at the top of your lungs year-round. We're not talking open-heart surgery techniques here...

COYB on the trip to Oz. Let's get Landon back and schedule that trip to the US next year. Oh, and buy Charlie Davies from his French club. He'll come cheap and you all will love him.
Dick Fearon
17   Posted 02/05/2010 at 23:13:19

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Peace, brothers, I am not having a go at anyone but here in Oz, as is the case in USA, the sport with by far the most participants is the round ball game.

40 years ago, passers by and Sunday drivers would pause to wonder what kind of game we were playing. Since then, the game's popularity has exploded. As any football loving Aussie would tell you, this is a land of opportunity and the future is ours.

James Flynn
18   Posted 03/05/2010 at 00:42:37

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Dick Fearon - Right on. Have a great time watching the boys when they come. I'll have to wait until next time they come to the States.
Craig Tomasinski
19   Posted 03/05/2010 at 01:28:50

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Awesome. I get to see them in Melbourne in 2½ months. Everton are quite well known here and it is suprising how many people are Everton fans around Melbourne but there are always more fans of the Sky 4. Hopefully we can turn some of the young uns to Everton fans if they get to see them in person. A bit of PR by Tim when here will help heaps.
Jamie Crowley
20   Posted 03/05/2010 at 04:10:20

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Nick E -

The reason us Americans have grown quiet is really very simple: Americans are flatly, on the whole, glory hunters.

Man U and Chelsea jerseys everywhere, yet 99% of those wearing them couldn't name 2 players on the the respective squads.

If Everton signed Donovan and actually won the EPL you'd see an insane explosion of fans. And if we dropped down to 8th the numbers of US fans would shrink to bare minimums.

And ToffeeWeb would be back to just me and James Flynn being the only 2 Americans who log onto this site. :0)

Winning will produce American fans, and frankly that's your formula for US exposure. Win.

Sign Donovan and win the damn Premier League! Either way, I'll be here the rest of my life until God rings the bell.

COYB
Paul Oakes
21   Posted 03/05/2010 at 05:48:14

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Both the US and Aus are irrelevant. We should be going where the money is, and that's Asia.

But can't wait for next season to start, sadly that will be Jan 2011 as is always the case under Moyes.

Ship him out and get Hodgson in, at least we'll win something under the man.
Paul Oakes
22   Posted 03/05/2010 at 05:50:06

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This year the league has been as tough. Consider 65 points we finished with last season (5th), this season, while this season 65 would finish you in 7th.

There is an issue, one we could do without, such as pointless long distance tours that do NOT benefit us in any way shape or form.

We get fuck all money from going to the US or Australia, instead we get the bad season starts as the boys still think they are on their holidays.

We need to be playing the likes of European competition such as Inter, Juventus, Milan, Madrid or Atletico etc, not some no-mark Euro teams.

Instead, we'll be playing Malaga before the season starts no doubt, or someone of their shit standing, while beforehand we'll be playing some no-mark bottom division teams. No wonder no-one is ready for the season.

Moyes needs to wake the fuck up, get Everton into some Euro mini pre season competitions or take us to Asia where we have financial interests. Asia is the only overseas market we should care about, it's where the fans are, it's where the money is, it's where our sponsors are.

The marketing of this club is a disaster! Until the wankers in charge are removed, we'll be the forever excuse team, who are always on the periphery but too shite to compete with the best where it matters!
Alan Clarke
23   Posted 03/05/2010 at 06:59:18

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If we'd actually signed Donovan then you'd have a case for going to the USA. Last year's USA trip was meaningless and didn't make any impact especially after 2 dismal performances. I very much doubt a lot of Americans even knew Donovan played for us during their closed season.

Everyone in Oz knows who Cahill is and they know he plays for Everton. This tour is crucial to raising our profile and raising some much needed funds.

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