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Spain have released their provisional squad and yet again not a look-in for our outstanding player.
I am aware that Spain do boast a very strong midfield with the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas and Silva to name a few, but surely Mikel deserves a call up or at least a friendly game so he can try and stake a claim in the squad. He is a wonderful team player, with massive ability and I truly believe his national squad would benefit with his inclusion.
I have never been one for getting un-capped players to change their nationality in order to gain International football, but surely on this occasion what is Spain's loss would be England's gain. A midfield player who can play in anywhere from Right, Left or Centre.
Who would you rather have on England's left hand side. Downing? Joe Cole? Or our very own Mikel Arteta? Alas this will not happen and Mikel will probably end his career without having represented his country.
A massive loss in my eyes...
Dave Southon, Posted 11/05/2010 at 12:51:33
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You won't find me one Evertonian that would take Upson, Carra or Dawson over Jags, he consistently outperforms all of those guys... Feel really bad for him...
Well, next year, lads... key players fit.. rested... let's take the league by storm!
Sorry but Dawson is class. King and Dawson are the best central defenders in Europe.
Jags is very good and I'd pick him over Carragher, Ferdinand (too injury prone) and Upson.
But I would pick Dawson over Jagielka I'm afraid.
I disagree about us being a team that is seen as unfashionable enough not to have players called up, Arteta has never been called up! If Arteta ranked alongside Xavi, Iniesta and Fabregas then the argument would stand. I do think though that he may not be good enough for the current Spain team, hence the lack of a call up.
Totally agree on Carragher. Disgraceful!! He just graced into the squad from nowhere. I'd be embarress to face the lads if I were him.
After this season, the players — especially those having long injuries — will be able to have a long rest followed by a full pre-season and hopefully be fully fit to start off next season at full speed.
No excuses, no European games, they need to be fully committed to start off completely the opposite of the start of last season.
You make some good points but, on the other hand, Arteta may be thinking that he'll need to join a 'bigger' club to get that Spain call up.
Everton have no European football next season either. So there's even less chance of Arteta getting noticed.
Will Arteta's desire to play for Spain eventually lead him to join a bigger club? Could we blame him if he did?
It's embarrassing when people repeat the same tripe over and over about certain players being snubbed at international level. There is no conspiracy within the Spanish football association; successive Spanish managers don't believe the player (who couldn't get a game at Real Sociedad) can cut it.
Do you really believe that Vicente del Bosque is thinking, "Hmm, I like Arteta but I refuse to select him since he plays for Everton." Wake up! He doesn't give a shite about us, or any other club. He wants to win the World Cup.
End of.
I wouldn't want him to have his head turned by one of those greedy fuckers.
Ashley Cole, Steven Gerrard, John Terry, Gareth Barry... need I go on?
And Jags has been hot and very cold since his return. No surprise he didn't get the nod.
Open your eyes.
Players who play for big clubs have a huge advantage in getting International recognition.
Kieran Richardson played 8 times for England while he was a Man Utd substitute. And he hasn't played for England since he became a regular for Sunderland.
Ben Foster is Man Utd's 3rd choice keeper but somehow he's earned 4 England caps.
Chris Kirkland was a rubbish reserve keeper at Liverpool but he was a regular face in the England squad. Then he signed for Wigan played regular football and actually proved himself a decent keeper but oddly he's never been picked by England since.
Owen Hargreaves plays just minutes for Man Utd this season and was apparently close to making the squad.
Scott Carson only played 9 times for Liverpool but he somehow got 3 International caps. He now plays regulary for West Brom. But despite proving himself never gets a look in at England anymore.
Wes Brown is rubbish and somehow he has 22 England Caps while Gary Cahill is superb but has no International Caps. I bet you Cahill will eventually join a big club and within half a dozen games he'll be playing for England.
Phil Neville earned 59 England Caps. How many of those were earned while he has been at Everton? 2? 3? But you could argue he's improved as a player while at Everton.
Sorry Jimmy but the sad fact is that players who play for big clubs find themselves gaining International recognition easier.
I'll make a bet with you. I bet if Arteta joined Liverpool or Arsenal he would only have to play half a dozen games before Spain came calling.
I can't prove it but I bet it would happen.
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You reckon that's got anything to do with them usually being better players?
Any coach that picks a team based on fashion is not doing their job properly. No offence, but this conspiracy thing is crap.
Please do not tell me that Mikel Arteta does not deserve at least one opportunity at national level to show what he can do?
Personally I would take him over Javier Martinez, but also judging by the provisional 30-man squad, they look a little light in midfield department. Picking only 8 midfielders but 10 strikers...
What I would say is Spain have better players than Arteta in that position, although England don't. Jags at present is behind quite a few better players, certainly on current form. Baines is the second-best English left back and goes as cover only.
I'm looking forward to the World Cup and hope:
1/ Everton players don't get injured;
2/Moyes picks up a bargain player or two while he's out there;
3/ Gerrard gets sent off for diving / cheating; etc, etc...
and
4/ England do well.
Lescott? Rooney?
How many of us will be sweating on Pienaar's future if he has a stormer in South Africa?
How much would we begrudge Donovan's potential price tag inflating if he does the same?
I'd rather we didn't have any representation at all, to be perfectly honest. I like international football, but not when it screws us over.
Of course, the flipside to this is someone like Arteta becoming disillusioned and moving clubs to play internationally.
I don't think Jagielka deserves to be picked as a matter of fact but certain players do who haven't been selected. Carragher is also a joke. The joke is on England though as he is well past his sell-by date.
I don't really care as I want England to go out as soon as possible!
Arteta should be in the Squad. It's a strange squad with an uneven balance. Do they really need that many goalkeepers and strikers?!
Emile Heskey is definitely good enough to play for England isn't he... that's why he gets his call up.
I agree about King, he is good and would be brilliant if he could play regularly all season instead of fits and starts but I'm glad in a way that Jags hasn't been included, same goes for Arteta because they will go and have a nice long rest to recharge the batteries and come back a lot fitter and stronger and kick on even more next season, I believe.
He is a first class idiot
Steven Gerrard is the only one of the English matching up to Spaniards.
So I believe Mikel Arteta would get a place in all other nations midfield line. But not Spain. And the reason is clear. He's not good enough for a place, considering his rivals.
But he's good enough for Everton, and I'm sort of glad he's not to play. He'll come back rested, and not out-of -play with a broken foot, torn ...
So I'm happy with Arteta staying out of the WC. Though I'm sure he would like to be in it.
Jagielka? Not good enogh this year. Couldn't expect him to get back in to super shape so fast, anyway. I would not pick him out for the WC if I was Cappello.
So I'm glad he'll also be more fit when it comes to pre-season.
I would not begrudge him if he left to try and get into the Spain team. It would break my heart if he left but he's been a credit to himself and to the club since he's been here. If he stays injury free, he can get in the Euro 2012 squad while with the Blues!
Dawson and King the best defenders in Europe? Cmooooooon
King has the ability of one of the best but is too injury prone, and Dawson has one good season and is suddenly the best defender in Europe?
I would have picked Jagielka over Dawson and at least Carragher. Carragher's undoubtedly cover for right back, Jagielka looks better there.
With Arteta, most of the midfielders are better than him, but one guy I noticed, Javi Martinez was picked. Obviously I don't know much about him and know he's been linked with big clubs in the past, but is he better than Arteta? Does anybody know much about him?
Carragher is perhaps the biggest example, I suspect he wouldn't get in the first team of half the Premier League teams but is rapidly becoming a hero to me for his fundamental part in the demise of LFC, I believe he's now earned the moniker "Agent Carragher" with his own goals, hapless penalties and general hopelessness.
In terms of England, hopefully he plays and gets England sunk quickly so as I can enjoy some skilled football from the proper footballing nations.
Then Capello puts in Upson and Carragher ahead of Jags — a total no-brainer, especially when Carragher snubbed his nose up at England already. There is no justice and we only have to look back at the Howard Kendall injustice many years ago to know all about that...
Sadly England will flounder anyway so better Jags & Mikel stay away and stay fit for next season. Bainesy won't get much of a look-in now that Cole is fit again.
I believe he qualifies now under residency laws and the length of time he has been in england? He never gets picked for spain - he should switch and pull on the 3 lions. He'd be a god...
Most players are first class idiots, none more so than the one we are begging to stay when we all know what`s going to happen, yet again he preaches God today when asked about his Everton future, the same man who drink drives and kicks fuck out of his wife...
Apart from the odd Cahill, take footy players like a pinch of salt.
Pienaar is indeed a prat, there is no two ways about it. I am in the minority who doesn't care if he goes though, to be honest.
I think Cahill coming out and saying what he has said deserves to be praised. A gentleman off the field even if he isn't on it! I would prefer Everton to not sign players like Ireland. That's just my view.
As for Cahill, let's hope his new contract signing will have some form of influence with some of the other players, none more so than his bezzie chum Arteta.
Guys, Baines has been selected initially, so it's not about us being unfashionable, just relax.
Steven (2 grannies) Ireland is a player who has turned his back on his country because he thinks he might get a bit of stick from the other players should he come back. Not the sort of player fit to wear an Everton shirt.
I can just see it now...The Gwladys Street decide to take the piss out of his hair plugs, his dead granny or his ability to turn a Audi R8 into a barbie accessory.... and he has a breakdown in the middle of the pitch.
No thanks, good footballer or not — the man's grade A gobshite.
As for Jags, it is ludicrous that Upson, Carragher or Ferdinand get chosen over him. That being said, let's hope none of our boys get injured during in South Africa! COYB
Okay, Jags has come back after being out for a while but is still a great player. How many others are in the squad who have been out or very inconsistent at club level in recent months? Walcott, Lennon, Wright-Phillips and Heskey. Capello will have no excuses when we don't make the quarter finals with this bunch.
Capello got one thing right, though. Baines and Warnock is in, Lescott isn't.
He was desperately unlucky with his injury, but he has come back and he`s giving away goals — or actually scoring them — and you guys think he should go to the World Cup ?
Not sure if it was his fuck up when given his chance for England or the list of fuck ups as long as your arm that have cost Everton so many goals in the past couple of seasons that convinced Capello to leave him at home.
Smell the coffee guys, Jagielka has a lampost, a lighthouse, two crocks and Jamie fucken Carragher as competition and he STILL cant get in the squad.
I hate to tell you this, but Bobby Moore he ain't.
Well... let me cast my mind back to when Arteta came back into the team: Chelsea win... Man United win... Man City win... Arteta injured for 3 games ...3 draws. How many games have we lost in the league since he's been back in the side? Just Tottenham?
He's got so much more to offer than Martinez and Busquets, its such a shame that he doesn't get chosen for Spain because he only plays for Everton. I've no doubt if he played for one of the top La Liga clubs or even Liverpool, he'd walk into the squad.
And with his lack of comfort on the ball he's always likely at the very top level of international football to be punished. That coupled with his injury means he isn't going to the WC. Dawson has been fantastic all season for Spurs and deserves inclusion in the squad.
As for Arteta, I agree with the fella a few posts up — there is no bias in the Spanish squad there manager picks who he believes are the best players. He'd be crazy not to.
"the list of fuck ups as long as your arm that have cost Everton so many goals"
After making a statement like that please could you give us some idea of this extensive list?
Only playing well for half the first season? He wasn't player of the season for playing well for one half!!! Otherwise Fellaini or Arteta would have had it this season!
Granted he hasn't been as consistent this season, he had 2 or 3 games where he was terrible, but also games where he has been really good. He still merits an inclusion over Carragher because basically he's been shit all season. Dawson maybe not, though Jags is the better player, Dawson's form this season has merited his spot.
All I'm saying is if he stays injury free next season, we will have the same CONSISTENT Jagielka of last season. Though height would be an issue, him and Heitinga in centre defence would be awesome next season.
In Arteta's case he is obviously not rated in Spain, as Del Bosc is the second manager to ignore the very talented Blue. In Jagielka's case, I think it's a little too soon, he is still trying to get back his fitness and form from last season, and I think a good rest will benefit him for the coming season.
Being very Everton-minded, I just hope it's to our benefit, and that, with maybe the odd addition to the squad, we really have a good go for silverware next season.
As for Mikel, I feel desperately, desperately sorry for the guy. Such a talent, such a team player and such a good all round attitude to the game and the club.
It's unfortunate, but fact that the powers that be, whether they be Spanish or English just don't see Everton as a fashionable, glamorous club and in not doing so, they don't give some of the gems we have a look in.
I can't express just how disappointed I feel for Mikel this morning and hope that a decision made by someone outside the club will not effect his feelings towards this club in the long term.
You really need to understand that some of us actually see all of the Everton games and actually know what we are talking about. Everton and Jakielka had a nightmare start to the seaon last year, Jagielka was all over the place and I clearly remember coming out of the Brittania after a particularly bad performance by Jagielka and many Evertonians were wondering if he was even Prem class.
When you have so many injuries and a everyone has a bad start, your player of the season is only ever going to have to be good for half or less of the season — just look at this season.
Try to engage your brain, and take issue with the points and not the individual, certainly not this individual, he knows too much for you.
When you say we`ll have the same Jags back next season, I sincerly hope you are wrong — again. If we are going to have to endure his hoofball and his fuck ups, I want much more than that.
Apparently Capello does too.
Why does everyone panic when one of our players doesn't get picked for their national side? The players that leave Everton are the ones who DO get picked, namely Lescott and Rooney. I'd be far more worried about Arteta leaving if he played for Spain this World Cup.
I actually go to all of the home games and manage to watch most of the away games, in which I must be watching completely different fucking games to you as I don't regularly see Jags fucking up, giving goals away and twatting the ball to no-one for a laugh all of the time. Obviously you have got some sort of vendetta against him as I can see no other reason why you slate him so much.
Yes, he has been a bit iffy since he has come back from injury, but that's hardly his fault is it after having a career-threatening injury which has sidelined him for 12 months and as soon as not even half fit gets put straight back into the team? The man is class, he will be fully fit and back to his best next season.
Also regarding his non-inclusion in the England squad: I agree on the above stated that he has been injured most of the season and is still making strides to getting back to what he was, plus Dawson having a cracking season fully warrants his inclusion (but Dick Anderson suggesting he is better than Jags is way off the mark). However, I believe Capello (if thinking with this logic) has contradicted himself completely by including the yard dog that is Carragher as I cannot see for the life of me why he has been included.
As for Arteta: again if he were have played the full season and to have been consistent with his form as he has been since he came back, then I believe he definately would have had a few call ups before the squad was picked and it would have went from there. It's certainly no shame on his behalf being overlooked as I believe Spain to have the most unbelievable midfield in the world I have ever seen, however saying this (and repeating what I said above) he definitely would not have looked out of place amongst them, and if he was to be any other nationality he would walk straight into the team.
Anyway, Bainesy has been picked ahead of the Elephant Man so I'm happy with that. And in retrospect of all the above mentioned, I can't wait for the World Cup!
What about this season? Pienaar and Baines? Oh wait, two players who were quite consistent ALL season. Personally, I would given it to Baines, but Pienaar perhaps had more outstanding performances. Both of them did not have many bad games this season.
To say Jags is responsible for the hoofball. I mean he's a defender!! What do you expect? His job is to make sure the team concedes no goal, and when he's in the team, we acheive that more often that not with anybody else there. I'd agree he does do a lot of hoofball and is frustrating at times, but I'd also argue that midfielders are not there for him to pass to.
And I engage with all the points I disagree with Dave, most of them up there are spot on, it just happens to be your post that I disagree with.
If you don't see Jagielka aimlessly punting it on a regular basis or haven't seen a number of goals we`ve conceded in the past couple of seasons that are a direct result of one of his fuck-ups then we are indeed watching different games.
I don't have a vendetta against Jagielka, I think he`s a good defender on his day, but when I am not blind to his shortcomings and I won't overlook his fuck-ups.
I will never adopt the sheep-like mentality that seems so prevalent at the moment. The sheep want to slaughter some of our players, even going as to the extremes of MAKING EXCUSES when they play well, whilst overlooking the shortcoming of the blue-eyed boys, to the point of pretending their fuck-ups didn't happen.
Prefer a bit of accuracy and balance meself.
Jagielka played midfield last season did he? Who against?
Pienaar missed over a quarter of the season, he played badly in several games too. That is my point, very few players of the season need to play well for the entire season as you claim, Jagielka proved that beyond doubt. That was my point.
I don't care if you disagree with my post, in fact in your case I`d prefer it, but if you want to keep to the point, you need to refrain from opening your original post in the manner you did.
If anything I said wasn't factual, feel very free to point it out.
Neill and Heitinga was the best partnership in my opinion. No hoofball at all and quite solid. I think it was a mistake to break it up. Well, the timing of doing it anyway...
Heitinga is a top quality CB. None of our other CB's are in his class. Jagielka should be able to do a decent job there though.
Maybe Mikky wont get in the starting line up past Xavi and Iniesta but how he can't at least be in the squad is crazy.
As for Jags, just not had enough time to build up form after a horrible injury. This World Cup has come too soon and Dawson and King have earned their place with some outstanding games. If we are going to critcise Capello for picking Carragher based on form then sadly he can't pick Jags who at 100% I rate as better than Upson, Dawson, and Carragher.
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Jesus, not another question from captain mischief.
Maybe you should buy the big book of obvious things about everton... Jags had a howling start to 2008-09...
I guess you'll want times, dates, milliseconds, and full reports... And when you eventually get them you'll stumble about like a drunk..
Ha ha ha.
So let me get this right: someone states about a player that "the list of fuck-ups as long as your arm that have cost Everton so many goals" and because I don't agree that Jagielka has been at fault for a LONG list of fuck-ups and have asked someone to substantiate this statement with his long list, then in your eyes that is causing mischief?
Heitinga has everything Jagielka does but with the added ability of superb passing and vision. The difference in class between those two is vast.
You don't have a vendetta against Jagielka? In that case can you stop banging on about how shite you think he is every 5 minutes? We get the fact you think he's over-rated, and the hoofball causing anti-christ... because you constantly point this out in every bloody post.
James Stewart,
Hibbert for England? I think Capello's just waiting for him to add goals to his game! Oh, and Stephen Ireland may be a total tit and look like a camp cannibal from the Hills Have Eyes but I think he'd actually be a decent signing for us.
Are you honestly saying you've never seen Jags pass the ball out of defence straight to Steven Gerard?
Or that you've never seen him duck under a ball that went into the net against Stoke?
Or that you've never seen him turn his back on an opposing striker?
If that's the case, then you're not mischievious, you've merely got an acute case of toffee blindness.
Just so nobody can accuse you of having no opinion of your own or being somebody who contribues nothing, but sits in wait until he thinks he can trip somebody else up.
I`ll give you your chance to show your hand.
You either
A) dont know the answer and need me to educate you.
B) Dont believe me and think you have me, in which case I will produce a list
C) want to go and do some research and pretend you were at the games - as usual
You fucked up my rope adope man
I am actually not trying to trip anyone up, and i agree jagielka did not start last season very well, the whole team was below par. In my opinion the season started to get better after the West Ham game away.
If you are specifically talking about mistakes that Jagielka made, the one that stands out is obviously Villa at home last season, but I personally can't think of an extensive list that you can attribute solely to Jagielka.
I am not sure what your part C is about, or is that you just think that because I don't agree with your opinion on certain players that I was not at the game?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00s9x2j/The_Chris_Moyles_Show_Wednesday_With_Matt_Smith_In_The_Studio/
2 hours ten mins in (start of conversation lead up to short song)
Quite funny and very true!
A) You don't know of these cock-ups?
B) You don't believe he made these cock-ups?
C) Ciaran is right plus you don't actually know what you are talking about.
Ok, perhaps, I have a naturally strong Blue bias and an equally strong Red loathing, but come on... Carragher has had an awful season. He's a liability in the box, often giving away penalties and free-kicks outside the box. His tackling is suspect, he lacks any speed, and only knows hoofball.
Ok, our Jags is also guilty of the last trait, but for the rest, he's miles ahead of Carragher. So why Capello, WHY?
I think it is pretty obvious that in my opinion Jagielka has his faults but on the whole he is a good defender and an asset to our team.
Whereas I am presuming from your comments that you think Jagielka has solely been at fault for a very long list of goals we have conceded.
So if you were able to provide this long list that he is solely responsible for then I would be able to respond and tell you whether I believe you that he was solely responsible for each particular incident.
Paul Robinson has been brilliant this season, finished in the top 10 with 13 clean sheets but Capello picks Green who has just finished 17th? And Jagielka is better than Upson, Dawson and probably Carragher now, but he doesn't get in?OK, I understand Jags has just come back from a serious injury, but Ledley King... Jags can play more games than him and will be ready when called upon and not have to rest a dodgy knee!
Another point on Carragher, he turned his back on England when he was in his prime and now he's gone and had the worst season in God knows how long, making numerous errors, and Capello welcomes him back with open arms... pathetic! We don't want him, his legs have gone!
I think the vast majority of Evertonians would put Jagielka's name down first when naming our best defence. And it was Jags who Pat Nevin was referring to when answering if City had bought the Premier League's best defender and he said they've not even bought Everton's best defender.
A: Well, there was that own goal against Wigan. If that was TH he would have been hung from the Top Balcony.
Q: Ok, apart from the own goal against Wigan, name me a time when Jags has cost us a goal?
A: What about at the Brittania stadium, when Howard came to collect and Jags headed it over him.
Q: Yes, apart from the own-goals against Stoke and Wigan, can you tell me when the Jag has been at fault?
A: there was the time when Robinho skipped past him stopped on the by line, Jags got back but still lets him shoot from a ridculous angle to score.
Q: Ok, ok... Apart from then and the two own goals, when did Jags ever let us down?
A: What about at St Andrews when Birmingham scored as a direct result of the Jag's fuckaroundary on the edge of our box, that cost us two points.
Q: The St Andrews thing doesn't count, he`s been injured you know. Could you name a clanger he made when was on the top of his game?
A: Didn't he play a pass straight into the path of Ashley Young a GP last year, after we`d sweated blood to get back into the game? Imagine that was Phil Neville? Then there was the one against Pompey...
Q: OK, OK, OK... APART from the own-goal against Wigan, the own-goal against Stoke, the fuckaroundary at Birmingham, the cock-up against Pompey AND the back pass at home to Villa, AND allowing the Brazilian to score from the by line — when has Jagielka not been solid as a rock?
A: Of course he did head into his own net at the death at Villa this season, costing us another two points and ending any hope of European footy next season.
Q: Wasn't that all Hibbo's fault?
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Right, now this is getting ridiculous... I think Carragher's an overated bodyguard for Reina... but come on, Phil Neville? Be serious!
As I previously stated he made a howler against Aston Villa last season, but I think instances like Villa away this season when the ball skimmed off the top of his head when he was up against a man who is considerably taller than him... and the Stoke game when Howard came out doing his star jump impression are in my opinion just being very over critical of Jagielka.
I think we will have to agree to disagree, I would have Phil Jagielka as one of the first names on my team sheet whilst you obviously consider him to be somewhat of a liability.
I suppose it just goes to show that two people can go and see the same match but come out with entirely different opinions. I suppose this website would be a much more boring place to visit if that wasn't the case.
1) Because people on here seemed to think the list didn't exist; well it does and to be honest if I wanted to drive home the point I could produce another one.
2) I have felt for some time that we have blue-eyed boys who can do no wrong according to the "in crowd" on this site and we have whipping boys who can do no right.
Can you imagine the abuse Hibbert would get if he was responsible for the erors I pointed out? Even when he is MotM, people can't find it in their hearts to congratulate him.
I do get pissed at the Jag's over use of the long ball, but just as I`m not blinded to his shortcomiongs I`m not blinded to his strengths either, he`s a superb defender and if he wasn't injured, he would be on his way to SA.
I just want ALL of our players to be judged the same way... Never going to happen though.
Concerning the Jags issue — show me a perfect player, and I will drink your water.
Well it was partly tongue in cheek as I don't give a damn about England.
But name me an English RB who has played better than Hibbert in the last few games? There isn't one... so if Capello was picking on form then why not? Capello talks shit, that's why. It sounds good saying that kind of thing but in reality it's not true.
Also, someone asked why no Phil Neville — he's injured as well. And Carragher hasn't been chosen ahead of Jags as a centre back — Carragher is in the squad as second choice right back, a role which he is better at than Jagielka. But not Hibbert.
Also, on the original topic, the home nations have a gentlemen's agreement not to exploit the residency rules, as residency actually qualifies a player for all four home nations, not just one.
Dick Anderson: Don't often agree with you, but I agree that Carragher is a joke, although for a bit of balance, I think you'll find he's in as cover for right back primarily as Capello has about 15 injury ridden crocks in his 30. Defence is especially suspect.
Of course, you had to ruin my newly found admiration for you by proclaiming Ledley King as one of Europe's best defenders! Hmmm. Emperor's New Clothes springs to mind. Just cos he plays for media darlings Spurs you can add him to the extensive list of over-rated Spurs players to get in with England stretching back to the 80's such as Gary Stevens (not our Shagger), Terry Fenwick, Darren Anderton, Ian Walker, Dawson has done well, but he'll be like an oil tanker turning against the likes of Villa or the Brazilians. Jag's game is actually more suited to international football than either of them, but that's Capello's loss.
I don't really care how England and their band of self obsessed, money-grabbing twats do. Cole, Terry, Barry, Ferdinand, Lampard, Rooney, Gerrard, Lescott etc... what a nice group NOT. The thought of that prick John Terry hoisting the World Cup makes me feel sick. I just hope Bainesy comes back ok, good luck to Timmy Cahill, Stevie Pienaar, Tim Howard and the Nigerian trio, but other than that I don't really care.
Yes, Karl, you are right, I explained this to Mr Wilson earlier which I remember clearly. That's where his majorly bad performances came from. Yes, he has made many abd mistakes but he is also a very good defender, and like David Thomas, would be one of the first players in the majority of Everton's fans eyes.
With regards to Hibbert though, I feel sorry for him. I remember seeing him against Fulham, I've never seen him go forward with so much conviction and confidence, just like he was when he started with us. If Moyes gave him a chance earlier, he would no doubt be in the England squad in my eyes, especially as Carragher's in the squad for cover for right back.
If he has a good pre-season, I'd certainly pick him over Neville to start next season, although knowing Moyes, that will never happen!
You are grasping at straws, I know where he played and when, I carefully avoided using games when he played midfield or right back... just admit you were wrong.
Every single cock-up I listed was when he played CB and you can't change that.
Excluding Iniesta, Xavi and Fabregas, I'd still say he's better than a number of players in their squad of 30.
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1 Posted 11/05/2010 at 14:23:18
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Jags like many Everton players (Arteta, Neville) is overlooked because he doesn't play for a fashionable club.