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Heitinga to City?

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In Dutch press, there is some speculation about Heitinga going to Man City. See link for the article:

http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/wk2010/6810482/__Heitinga_ziet_City_wel_zitten__.html?p=3,1

The article says City are interested in Johnny, they do not name a source but bring it as given. Heitinga is quoted as saying he heard the rumour but that it is no more than that; he thinks City is an ambitious club and that he wouldn't reject a move to a big club. But he also states he has 4 years to go on his contract with no minimum fee release clause and that he is very happy at Everton.

It's no more than media speculation, the "Telegraaf" is not quite the most reliable source. To put it into perspective: today's front page contains an article about Hul Hogan's surgery and the haunted house of Kate Moss. And which player would reject a move to a big club? It's just a pity that he sees City as a bigger team according to this article...
Erik Dols, Maastricht, The Netherlands     Posted 29/05/2010 at 12:33:19

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Marc Williams
1   Posted 29/05/2010 at 17:12:51

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Let's just get it over with & sell Man Shity the whole fucking team !
At least then they might have a chance of getting 4th !
Conor Ryan
2   Posted 29/05/2010 at 17:52:43

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Let him do a Lescott for arond 15 mill.
We can just do another Heitiga and keep making massive profit every year on a defender .
Tony Rice
3   Posted 29/05/2010 at 17:58:45

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It's on the espn site now as well....
Perhaps Mr. Moyes may end up regreting his very public slagging of shitty and the way they do business.
While I agree with him and appreciated his soundbites... I wonder if they will continually make runs at our players ????
Ste Traverse
4   Posted 29/05/2010 at 17:58:10

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Why are Man Shitty suddenly regarded as a big club just because they have owners with money? Does 34 years of winning fuck all and being a yo-yo club not count for anything, even this week one rag called them 'a Premier League giant'!

I think they are delibratley linking themselves with our best players just to piss us off after the Lescott farce last summer. I mean Arteta,Jags,Pienaar,Rodwell and now Johnny H so something isn't right.

And it is disappointing if Johnny sees that crowd as a bigger club,he should learn more about English football.
Colin Potter
5   Posted 29/05/2010 at 18:10:38

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Conor,
Heitinga is twice as good as Lescott, so it should be at least 30 mill

Alan Kirwin
6   Posted 29/05/2010 at 18:19:25

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Are we going to raise an article for every single piece of media speculation this summer.

This could get excruciatingly tedious.
Dan Brierley
7   Posted 29/05/2010 at 18:25:41

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I'd agree with Conor if what he has said is true. We need players who want to MAKE us into a top side, not use us a stepping stone. Moyes has proved he is one of the best at bringing in talented players at the right price. There is nothing wrong with making another big profit, and bringing in an equally accomplished player.
Brendan O'Doherty
8   Posted 29/05/2010 at 18:41:29

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For "he wouldn't reject a move to a big club" read : 'he wouldn't reject a move for more money'.

Getting sick of this.
Joey Brown
9   Posted 29/05/2010 at 19:03:14

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I'm just happy we have Arteta and Cahill, whom I don't see leaving, otherwise I think I'd have zero respect for all football players. In the end it seems like 90% care way more about money than glory any day.
Ciarán McGlone
10   Posted 29/05/2010 at 19:16:19

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Is anybody honestly surprised?

Footballers are employees of the highest bidder...they are not paragons of virtue.

Tony Parsons
11   Posted 29/05/2010 at 19:27:28

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Exactly the kind of story that makes my growing hatred of football increase.
Franny Porter
12   Posted 29/05/2010 at 20:36:54

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I agree with Tony Parsons wholeheartedly.

Im a pessimist at the best of times, and I hate hearing this shit.

I pray to God that Mikel gets a new contract soon to show his commitment to the club.

These fucking soundbites we are always hearing are making me fucking sick.

Finally, I really fucking hate Man City and eveything about their two bob arsehole club. I hate the fans, the management, the mercenary players and the way the media now fucking loves them.

Sorry about the fucking swaering, im going for a fucking lie down...
Mark Pendleton
13   Posted 29/05/2010 at 20:52:06

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Would have been so much cheaper for the Man City owners just to have bought Everton and bought us a new stadium than buying our team one by one!
Thomas Christensen
14   Posted 29/05/2010 at 21:26:33

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Personally I think it is utter BS.

City cannot decide which Everton player they want - let alone if they are for sale.

Someone else on Toffeeweb said it best on another post ... "Rather than buy Everton players at hugely inflated prices, WHY didn't Sheikh Mansour buy Everton in first place." after all we are the better team.
James Cadwaladr
15   Posted 29/05/2010 at 21:45:02

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Speak to you all in the middle of August!
John McLoughlin
16   Posted 29/05/2010 at 21:50:22

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I hate the summer, when all our paranoia comes to the forefront and we panic over every transfer rumour. Whatever happens, we'll survive and move on; be it good or bad, the players will always change. As I get older, I care less and less for individual players at the club, it just makes it less painful. It is Everton after all that I love.
Steve Pugh
17   Posted 29/05/2010 at 22:23:56

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To be fair JH said that he had a contract at Everton, was enjoying his time at the club and was going to focus on Everton.

He's only been here for a year, he isn't an Evertonian, and if I recall correctly there is a fair chance he took a paycut to stay.

Also he joined a club expecting to be in Europe and pushing for CL, well we failed with that one didn't we.
Jay Dawson
18   Posted 29/05/2010 at 23:33:27

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I just can't wait for Shity to lose out on 4th again next season and the likes of Teves etc start getting fed up, the owners sell and the whole team gets put into administration and they revert back to their deserved mediocre place in English football.
James Flynn
19   Posted 30/05/2010 at 00:34:12

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This is kind of fun. We have sports rumors in the States of course. But really nothing like this. My God, how many players now are "rumored" to be going since the season ended? 6-7. I'm getting a big kick out of it myself.

After last season's second half, guys don't really want to go and Moyes doesn't want them to leave. What for? Not that movement won't happen. That's professional athletics.

But this almost daily "report" of a player coming or going? We don't have anything over here in America that compares.
Phil Bellis
20   Posted 30/05/2010 at 00:50:21

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Michael / Lyndon...is there nothing we, as supporters, can do, about City using the gutter meeja to make illegal approaches to employees (or the advisors of those employees) of Everton FC?
How the fuck does Heitinga `know' of City's wish to employ him?
Have Man City formally contacted EFC?
If not, can't we bubble the bastards?
Pat Finegan
21   Posted 30/05/2010 at 01:04:52

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James, I thought the same thing when I started supporting / following football. You'd think the papers would value their reputation enough to not feed the people a bunch of BS every day. The American press is far from perfect but when I see something on Sports Center about baseball, hockey, (American) football or any other American sport, I know it's either true or at least based on some sort of reasonable speculation. Sky Sports and other British media, unfortunately, is much less reliable.
Sean McKenna
22   Posted 30/05/2010 at 01:09:42

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Don't really give a toss, if a player does not want to play for Everton FC, show them the door.

I want players who want to play for our club. Nobody is bigger than the club!!! Fair play to Jack the lad, showing true class for such a young lad.

James Flynn
23   Posted 30/05/2010 at 01:37:06

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Pat (21) - That's what I was thinking when I posted. Of course, we have a rumor mill too. But with the pressure to get an "exclusive" story, reporters in the States had better be right or he/she will be torn to pieces by the rest of the media aqt best or lose their credibility with the fans.

I guess it's not a concern over there. It is kind of funny reading, though. What the hell. England and the US are cousins not identical twins. Can't be all alike.
Brendan O'Doherty
24   Posted 30/05/2010 at 01:59:39

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James/Pat — the problem this side of the Atlantic is that agents feed these stories to the newspapers in the hope of raising the bargaining position of their clients. They have a bit of interest from Club A, so they tell the press that there may be some interest from Clubs B, C, and D because maybe the player might like to play for one of those.

The papers jump on it and then the supporters of all those clubs do as well, hence all the BS. The problem is that you know that 95% of the speculation is just garbage, but it turns out that the other 5% comes to fruition. So the difficulty is trying to separate the two.

Then you have the stuff which is partially true. For example, we spent a lot of the 2008 summer chasing Moutinho and a lot of the 2009 summer chasing M'Bia, neither of which came to fruition. The other difficulty then comes when you get direct quotes from a player or his agent, as in this thread. You don't know what to think. It's a minefield, but it sure as hell (as you guys would say) keeps us entertained during the close season!

Brendan O'Doherty
25   Posted 30/05/2010 at 03:05:42

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It's all over the Sunday papers. Arteta as well. This is revenge for last summer. I wish Man City would go away and die.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1282520/Everton-defender-John-Heitinga-summers-Lescott-Manchester-City-make-approach.html
Jason Lam
26   Posted 30/05/2010 at 07:50:59

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How about a swap deal for Lescott?

Fucking hell shit like this just not interested in modern football anymore.
Thomas Christensen
27   Posted 29/05/2010 at 21:26:33

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Personally I think it is utter BS.

City cannot decide which Everton player they want - let alone if they are for sale.

Someone else on Toffeeweb said it best on another post ... "Rather than buy Everton players at hugely inflated prices, WHY didn't Sheikh Mansour buy Everton in first place." after all we are the better team.
Paul Thompson
28   Posted 30/05/2010 at 09:13:56

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We need to chill out a bit. If this kind of hysteria can be generated by every stray remark made by a player (and then repeated by media outlets who have fill acres of space with crap every day) our nerves are going to be shredded before the end of the summer. Heitinga ain't going anywhere, but with a four-year contract.

There is a wider factor that could help the chill factor. Fans judge players through lens of thier own passion for the club. Most players don't have this — they are well paid and highly mobile employees. Cherish the ones that have that passion; expect a fair day's work for a (more than) fair day's pay from the rest.
Paul Gladwell
29   Posted 30/05/2010 at 10:21:34

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It does not sound like bullshit to me, it`s him speaking and If true it won't go down well with Moyes. If we do have to sell someone to fund other signings then I would not be arsed it being him, he has done well, nothing special, so milk the bastards again.

Tony Parsons (11) said it all for me so fuck them if they have that attitude.

David Hallwood
30   Posted 30/05/2010 at 11:07:20

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Calm down everybody... Three things to consider:

Firstly, footballers (like the majority of us out there) are paid employees. I'm happy where I work and I get a decent wage, but if another firm called me up and offered more money? If we're being honest, most of us would take it.

Secondly, there's been no official approach. Citteh haven't come out and said they fancy him (personally, I think he's too similar to De Jong) so this is good old-fashioned page-filling shite (you may have noticed there's not much football about at the moment so, unless the shitepress are going to do 12-page 'exclusives' about Dag & Red v Rotherham, we'll have to suffer stories like this).

And finally, put yourself in the shoes of a footballer and you’re asked by a journalist to comment on a story that Citteh or the Arse or whoever is coming in for you. You can hardly reply that you wouldn’t play for them cos they’re a right load of old shite, just in case you end up seeking employment with them — burning bridges, anyone?

What we’ve got to hope for between now and the World Cup is for John Terry to be caught in a gay bath house with David (call me Dave) Cameron, Nick Glegg and a goat, or Cashley to be copped snorting Charlie while roasting a lap dancer with Berlusconi... in fact anything, any fucking thing to keep this shite out of the papers.

Ciarán McGlone
31   Posted 30/05/2010 at 11:52:48

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"You can hardly reply that you wouldn’t play for them cos they’re a right load of old shite, just in case you end up seeking employment with them-burning bridges anyone?"
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He could have said nothing.


His comments will rankle supporters...and rightly so - because we have an emotional investment - and they don't.

I just feel sorry for the more naive amongst us who think footballers are not self-serving.
Gerry Quinn
32   Posted 30/05/2010 at 12:24:10

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Rumours they may be, but I am sure that these kind of stories must get back to Moyesie within hours. Does he believe them, or does he not? I personally don't think he does care and I bet it was him that told Johnny H to say those things just to wind Shitty up!
David Hallwood
33   Posted 30/05/2010 at 12:35:11

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I've been on a Citteh site and they are getting somewhat pissed off at the who they're being linked to and one of the posters gave a list of the players they've been linked to this month alone; Dzeko, Silva, Gago, Higuin, Van der Vaart, Van der Wiel, Maicon, Di Maria, Arteta, Pienaar, Heitinga, Rodaldinhio, Pato, Gerrard, Torres, Milner, Boeteng, Hamsik, De Rossi, Buffon, Luiz, Toure, Ibrahimovic, Chellieni, Cole... that's 25 players so according to the press the Citteh squad is gonna look like a crowd scene form Ben Hur.

Ciarán McGlone #30 — take no notice until the player's pictured with the shirt declaring his undying love for what was his favourite team when he was at school.
Jay Dawson
34   Posted 30/05/2010 at 13:00:26

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"Ciarán McGlone #30 — take no notice until the player's pictured with the shirt declaring his undying love for what was his favourite team when he was at school" — Good point above, didn't R Keane say that when he joined the Shite AND then again when he joined Celtic? Ha!
Ciarán McGlone
35   Posted 30/05/2010 at 13:11:01

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It's really not that far fetched that Robbie did support Liverpool and Celtic... pretty common over here.
Jay Dawson
36   Posted 30/05/2010 at 13:16:02

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I just thought it was funny that he used the same old 'I supported this team as a boy' shout for both clubs, mad.
Ciarán McGlone
37   Posted 30/05/2010 at 13:21:29

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Yeah, I don't get it myself, to be honest.

One man, one club.
Ste Traverse
38   Posted 30/05/2010 at 13:22:42

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The more I read it all seems like a 'come and get me' plea from Johnny H. If he wants to go to that crowd then get rid now and get a huge price for him. I trust Moyes to get a quality replacement at a sensable price. I can put up with losing Heitinga to them but not Arteta, they can get to fuck where Mikky is concerned.

No doubt if a move to Wastelands doesn't happen, Johnny H will come back saying he's been 'misquoted'.
Phil Martin
39   Posted 30/05/2010 at 16:43:25

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"Would have been so much cheaper for the Man City owners just to have bought Everton and bought us a new stadium than buying our team one by one!"


Because they had willing sellers. We clearly don't
Brendan O'Doherty
40   Posted 30/05/2010 at 18:14:58

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"Yes, there have been enquiries from other big clubs, but I have no interest in going anywhere."

No, not JH unfortunately. That was Modric on signing a new Spurs contract today.

Spot the difference? The seed is sown. He may as well have said 'come and get me'. This could be another Lescott type saga.
Chad Schofield
41   Posted 30/05/2010 at 18:21:14

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I wrote this (or something like this), this morning on my phone, and managed to loose it... so hopefully the laptop won't die or anything.

The British press basically feed us what we want to hear. On one side we're beside ourselves because our players are being linked elsewhere, but at the same time we're happy to talk about the merits of players who are under contract at other clubs joining us. Of course it's natural to speculate, but equally is it necessary to call our own players every name under the Sun because they're linked to another club? Those same people who demand loyalty from Everton players seem happy to shed their loyalty to our players the moment a journalist has thrown some rune stones and come up with something involving a Goodison exit.

Man City are not giants of the Premier League... I don't even think any but their most delluded fans beleive that they actually are. Ambitious: Yes... Shit loads of cash: Yes... but most importantly, in Europe. OK, so it's not Champions League, but Europa League... and exactly the reason we lured Yakubu in the first place.

So The Yak looks set to be off to West Ham to be fed a larger pay packet, and if that happens, then good luck to him, thanks for the memories and hopefully he won't bundle one in off his moobs against us — of course, if he stays then great... and let's hope he bangs one in gainst them (well oiled athlete that he is!).

The same goes for Pienaar. If our official Player of the Sear doesn't receive the contract he feels and he does go off to ply his trade elsewhere, then it will be sad, as certainly he has been good for us. I hope he stays, but if not then I still don't understand this "we must get it sorted by June 12"... why? His value will not go down whilst at the World Cup, unless he gets seriously injured. On the other hand, his value may go up significantly. We signed him for next to nothing, so we'll be quids in either way.

We look likely to sign Beckford, but some people have already written off the tiny old-third-division striker... maybe we should just give the 6-ft 2-in pace merchant a go (subject to contract), Brett Angel in disguise he may turn out to be, but give the guy a chance.

Jay Dawson
42   Posted 30/05/2010 at 23:12:35

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Chad; If players want to go, then fair enough; we know that none of them are true blues like us. It's the fact that certain comments such as the 'bigger club' one from Johnny just seems to annoy people, especially since it's City and they're a reletavely small club at this moment in time.
Max Main
43   Posted 31/05/2010 at 00:50:27

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If this quote is actually genuine, Heitinga should be shown the door.

Of course you expect players to want to go to City at the moment, but you don't come out and say it, and you don't refer to them as a bigger club. That kind of disrespect towards a club like Everton cannot be tolerated.

Can you imagine Alex Ferguson putting up with that? Moyes should tell Heitinga that he's transfer listed and he can look forward to playing in the reserves on his return from the World Cup.

Decent player but easily replaceable.

And Johnny, if you see Joleon at the World Cup, ask him how it worked out for him. Oh, what's that?
Chad Schofield
44   Posted 31/05/2010 at 01:49:51

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"He thinks City is an ambitious club and that he wouldn't reject a move to a big club. But he also states he has 4 years to go on his contract with no minimum fee release clause and that he is very happy at Everton." — OP

"‘They’re a club with big ambitions and I have the door open for a big club." — Daily Hate Mail

“Manchester City have ambition, and I am open to the idea of joining a big club. I hear things said here, there and everywhere about a move for me, although there is nothing definite yet." — Goal.com

"City have ambitions and I am always looking to move to a bigger club. But I have a contract for four years, without any get-out clause in it, so I will fully focus myself on Everton. I am very happy at this club." — Skysports

Shame nobody took a dictaphone.


The Google translation of De Telegraaf article reads: "City has ambition and I am open to a big club. But I have a four year contract without limited lump and focus on me so Everton. I know particularly well to my liking."

Conclusive proof that he know well to his liking Man City.
Charles King
45   Posted 31/05/2010 at 08:51:07

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Don't know why people are so upset; players go where the prospects are best, there are presently 7 teams with better prospects than us in the Prem.

Because the Board, management and a significant section of our supporters accept mid-table mediocrity doesn't mean the players should; they are at the front line, they see day-to-day the relative paucity of the Everton setup.

Ken Bates was right...

Jay Dawson
46   Posted 31/05/2010 at 09:06:13

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It's just a shame if his head has been turned by this and he demands a move, a fan favourite last year and was getting better and better. As someone posted earlier though, If it happens, I trust Moyes to bring in someone else similar — just like he did with Heitinga for Lescott's replacement.
Max Main
47   Posted 31/05/2010 at 11:22:37

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Charles King - we're upset because he shouldn't come out and say it. At the risk of repeating myself, a comment like that from Heitinga shows massive disrespect to Everton. Imagine if all our players just openly stated to the press "Yeah I'm contracted at Everton for a few years but I'm just waiting till a big club like Man City come calling and then obviously I'll be straight out the door". I honestly don't see how people are okay with his comments.
Phil Bellis
48   Posted 31/05/2010 at 11:26:08

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Charles;
I fully agree about the shamefully limited ambition of the Board and the Nil Satis Nisi Mediocritas element of our support... but all credit to Moyes for his recent statements, including "I just don't understand how can you expect to be happy with fourth"?

That'll do for me if he's now publicly advocating NSNO — a smack in the eye for the `realists'. Let's hear Doddy argue against what David said...

Brendan O'Doherty
49   Posted 31/05/2010 at 12:38:12

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Max Main — spot on. It's the saying it publicly that's the problem, not thinking it.
Jay Harris
50   Posted 31/05/2010 at 13:44:07

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I think you can read into it what you want.

He was being polite about City and not wanting to disrespect them but at the same time emphasising he has a 4-year contract at Everton without any escape clause and he is happy with that.

I have no concerns over Heitinga going nor his alleged statement.

Now Pienaar... that's a totally different matter... but enough has been said on other threads.
Jamie Barlow
51   Posted 31/05/2010 at 14:45:11

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Johnny H. Sign for City or shut the fuck up. Idiot.
Lyndon Lloyd
52   Posted 31/05/2010 at 15:51:01

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Manchester Evening News via IMScouting.com: Manchester City deny interest in Everton defender Heitinga.

So Heitinga has compromised his relationship with the Everton faithful over non-existent interest from City, then...
David Hallwood
53   Posted 31/05/2010 at 16:19:00

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But Lyndon, did he say it or is it a journalist sexing up the story, and it got lost in translation? I've posted quite a few times that I don't believe anything I read in the papers and this is a perfect example of why. "City deny interest"... Johnny H will probably say he was misquoted, it's a story out of nothing that's generated all this interest.

By the way, I saw Riquelme in Aldi in Smithdown Road with Robert Elstone — is he our next signing or does he like their selection of chilled meats?

Terry Riley
54   Posted 31/05/2010 at 19:27:07

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I live in the Netherlands, I know just how much the Dutch can be trusted....... WW II, 98% were calculated to have collaborated with the Nazis. By the way, in September, I mailed that Heitinga didn't want to come to Goodison!!
Charles King
55   Posted 31/05/2010 at 19:00:10

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I prefer the players say it as they see it, part of the problem in football — and one of the reasons fans are pissed off with the game — is they never know what's going on.

Johnny H's alleged comments merely confirm what some suspect, the club in it's present form is a sort of Premier Coventry City with history and expectations should be tailored accordingly until it changes.

Terry Riley
56   Posted 31/05/2010 at 19:37:37

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Unfortunatly, I agree with Charles King, I've seen great teams & championships & cups but it would seem we are going down the Coventry route????
John Crook
57   Posted 31/05/2010 at 22:17:45

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Don't jump on his back too soon — don't forget, only 1 month ago, this guy was "desperate" to play in our remaining league games despite his injury and forthcoming World Cup.
John Nelson
58   Posted 01/06/2010 at 10:03:01

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If this statement is indeed true and not the usual media bollocks, then the thing that really gets to me is the reference to Man City being a "bigger club"... now Johnny H to repeat an earlier submission on this thread, please refer to the stature of a club being in context of honours won, fanbase and years spent in the top division rather than how much they pay their players each week — you will then realise that Everton are the 4th biggest club in England and are fucking light years ahead of Man City.

Charles King — as for referring Everton to Coventry City... without being insulting can you please expand on this fucking absurd statement?

COYB
Paul Gladwell
59   Posted 01/06/2010 at 11:19:04

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Hear hear, John Nelson, why are we a Coventry? Utter bollocks.

Maybe people think we are living in the past but the only bigger clubs than us are the three who have also actually won more than us, clubs like City may be richer but they are richer than Barcelona too.

If there is one club who could benefit more from this burst bubble in football, it is us.

Charles King
60   Posted 01/06/2010 at 12:10:06

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Coventry City in the top flight were renowned for never challenging for honours and grimly holding on to their mid table position until the inevitable happened and they were relegated. Is it the mid-table bit or not challenging that you don't recognise?
Tony J Williams
61   Posted 01/06/2010 at 12:48:45

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Charles, isn't that then the same for 85% of the league. Only three teams in the last 15 years have won the league.
John Nelson
62   Posted 01/06/2010 at 13:22:18

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Charles, 2 things:

1. We are certainly NOT a mid-table team — in which case, I do not see the need to justify my statement;
2. It is only for the last 20 years that we haven't been challenging regularly for honours — which only 3 teams have, and also I believe we will be back up there soon enough.

I can maybe see your point Charles but comparing us to Coventry is way OTT.

COYB
Charles King
63   Posted 01/06/2010 at 13:08:09

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Tony J, my point is we are now firmly ensconced in this position with no visible prospect of it changing. The more progress DM makes the less likely we are to have a challenging team, merely because our better players will always attract attention from clubs with better prospects.

As a previous contributor said, we have a factual position of being the 4th most successful club in the country but in my opinion are not seriously acting like a club willing to protect or improve upon this. Very precarious situation, but I hope I'm wrong

Dave McWeltie
64   Posted 01/06/2010 at 14:05:25

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I don't know if these Heitinga storys have any real substance to them. But it's just another kick in the teeth for not just for Evertonians but the average fan. Are they all mercenaries now?

It seems to me that, as fans, we scrape the money together for season tickets and travel to games home and away, sometimes abroad, to support our team and every time you think that these players love playing for the club and you read all the comments on their relationship with fans etc.

Yet the first sign of a bigger cheque at another club and they'd walk over you to get it. Is this football now because I for one am getting fed up with it. I love Everton but a can't take much more of these mercenaries using the club and the fans to get their next signing-on fee. How much is enough? Does anyone become a footballer now because they love the game or is it only ever about greed? If it is, Why should I pay for it?

I believe wages should be capped, transfer budgets and fees should be capped and give the savings back to the fans so the average man can take his kids the match without paying £100 plus to do it. It would help bring back the atmospheres and get rid of the leeches.

Derek Thomas
65   Posted 02/06/2010 at 10:51:29

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The old rule still applies...

If you want loyalty, get a dog.

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