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Eleven Tiger Tims please...

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Heres a longish cut and paste, sorry, from todays Gruniard by our Tim. (Contrast this with Messrs Heitinga and Pienaar...)

"It was the night of Graham Poll's three card trick against Croatia and Australia had squeezed through. Thunderstruck by AC/DC reverberated around the Gottlieb-Daimler Stadium in Stuttgart and as Cahill cavorted around the running track he spotted a royal blue No 17 jersey in the crowd. His next move was no insincere badge-kissing display of affection.

He recalls: "I saw Everton jerseys at every Australia game in the last World Cup and when we qualified against Croatia there was one close to me, so I went into the crowd and swapped jerseys. It was a big moment in my life and something I'll never forget. It's priceless when I play for Australia and see an Everton shirt in the crowd, or when I play for Everton and there's an Aussie supporter there, and that was the most prized possession I have given away."
Mark  Murphy, Horsham, West Sussex     Posted 07/06/2010 at 14:24:28

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Brian Williams
1   Posted 07/06/2010 at 15:39:17

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A very rare and dying breed unfortunately, makes him stand out even more because of it!
Larry Boner
2   Posted 07/06/2010 at 16:24:21

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When every piece of title tattle regarding Liverpool is plastered all over the local papers, Echo and Post, I have never seen this reported before, although I very rarely buy the Echo since it moved out of Liverpool. An action like this is worth more than a thousand badge kissing £140,000/week RS bastards.
Alex Kociuba
3   Posted 07/06/2010 at 16:56:22

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If Barce came knocking, I bet Tim would be dusting off his bike and ironing his flag, though. I don't disbelieve Cahill may be genuinely a nice person, but it's not very hard saying the 'right things' to the media.
Mark Murphy
4   Posted 07/06/2010 at 17:38:25

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Cheer up Alex!

He pushed the media aside to swap shirts with that blue AND he has already signed to stay with us BEFORE going off to show the world what he can do!

Lee Kidd
5   Posted 07/06/2010 at 17:46:46

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Alex Kociuba; There's no doubt Cahill has had some tentative offers to move him away from Everton and there's also no doubt he's dismissed them out of hand — hence why you hear no "speculation" in the media.

Remember, he's not just a "nice guy", he's a top footballer and when fully fit grabs almost as many goals from midfield as Frank Lampard.

Maybe not Barcelona, but a second tier "big club" would have certainly looked to have taken a punt on him in the last few years.
Gerry Quinn
6   Posted 07/06/2010 at 18:06:30

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2 years ago in Salt Lake City, I wrote about Tim jumping over the fence to get to us blue shirts - no other player did that so easily and comfortably, even in the training sessions. Just seeing that big smile on his face when he saw us and the reaction he took said it all for me. Read the full story on him when he says was earning a couple of hundred a week at Millwall and thought he'd made it in life. Not an ounce of your normal poncey money-grabbing attitude there. Tim loves being an Evertonian through and through, it shines out of him in everything he does.
Brendan O'Doherty
7   Posted 07/06/2010 at 19:18:18

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Legend.
Charles King
8   Posted 07/06/2010 at 19:21:44

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When a great player like him says this sort of thing, it's inspirational to all who've supported this club through thick and thin. Well done, Tim... won't hear a word said against you, fella.
Karl Masters
9   Posted 07/06/2010 at 19:33:38

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A top player and a top person.

Good on ya, Tim.

I might add that maybe a few of our 'less contented' fans who like a good moan should think that perhaps Everton FC isn't in such a bad way afer all. Sometimes you need an outsider to come in and see things for what they really are. Tim Loves Everton... and we love him!
Paul Gladwell
10   Posted 07/06/2010 at 20:35:07

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Alex, dont you think over the past few years, the man who every away fan hates to play against their team and the man every manager fears when we played them could have grabbed his agent and said, "Engineer me a move"?

He could easily have gone but he never. A dying breed this man is and it fills me with confidence he has signed again, which surely can only help us keep his best buddy Arteta.

Alex Kociuba
11   Posted 07/06/2010 at 21:23:39

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Lee / Paul... I'm not so confident as many 'big' clubs would have really wanted him? What regular Champions League team would he get a game for? ... There's not that many, but there are a lot of Tim Cahill-calibre players. Don't forget, he has been distinctly average this season.

Tim Cahill is not worthy of being idolised.
Paul Gladwell
12   Posted 07/06/2010 at 21:43:01

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But Duncan Ferguson is.
Frank Nolan
13   Posted 07/06/2010 at 22:03:17

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Alex, idolising any football player is absurd and insane, but I just don't get your put-down of Cahill.

Like many others, he has games when he hasn't been his usual self, but this guy is guaranteed legend status in the annals of Goodison folklore. And it's not for what he has said, we all know words are cheap, but for what he has done. Blood, sweat and tears in the cause and goals which will make a best-selling DVD when he calls it a day.
David Thomas
14   Posted 07/06/2010 at 22:21:02

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Alex,

Having watched the Champions League and seen the quality of a lot of the teams who get in each season, I would say there are quite a few who, at his peak, Cahill would have got a game at.
Gerard Carey
15   Posted 07/06/2010 at 23:00:58

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Tim Cahill is the real deal; I wish Peanuts felt the same way...
Dick Fearon
16   Posted 07/06/2010 at 22:23:36

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Australia's first World Cup game is against Powerhouse Germany — their main concern is not an opposition player who has an incredible range of Bobby Charlton type passing, nor does this player have Messi's mesmerising ball skills or Peter Reid's 'hard as nails' tackling.

Compared to Gary Lineker, he is far from fast. It is not the power of his shot or its unerring accuracy... so who is this player that has Germany's coaching staff burning the midnight oil and pouring over videos? He isn't anywhere near the same class as Beckenbaur, nor does he have anywhere near Bobby Moore's positional sense, nor is he a colossus in the mould of a John Charles.

Who the hell is it that has everyone in the Fatherland biting their nails?The bloke in question is average sized and posses only tiny bits of all the above attributes.

There are a few things that mark him down as a number one dangerman for national and international defenders. One is his enormouse competitive spirit; another is a remarkable stamina... but most of all is a bewildering goal sense in and around the box.
Yes folks, of all the players that Germany will face in this World Cup. none will be more feared than our own Tiger Tim.

Gerry Rutter
17   Posted 07/06/2010 at 23:09:28

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Wrong side of the bed this morning, Alex? Timmy is a genuine True Blue and is all class. Can't wait to see him destroy Germany next week.
Alex Kociuba
18   Posted 07/06/2010 at 23:05:05

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No clubs have made offers for him though, have they? If Real Madrid signed Cahill it wouldn't be a surprise if it ended up like it did for Gravesen.

But as you point out, Cahill is now past his best and was rubbish this season (in the whole).
Alex Kociuba
19   Posted 07/06/2010 at 23:16:12

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The level of sentiment to a professional athlete by grown men is a little creepy in my eyes; that's all.
David Thomas
20   Posted 07/06/2010 at 23:28:28

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Alex; you must have been watching a different Tim Cahill to me last season. Whilst he did not have the best first half of the season, mainly due to playing with an injury and out of position, from about November onwards he played well.

I am not sure how being a supporter and appreciating the commitment, workrate and skill of one of your players is "creepy". Surely that would make all football fans "creepy" as you put it.
Steve Carter
21   Posted 07/06/2010 at 23:45:57

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I'm telling youse, there won't be a dry eye in the house when Tim Cahill walks off from his final game at Goodison.
Steve Cotton
22   Posted 08/06/2010 at 00:39:05

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Alex Kociuba; Not 100% sure you are a blue mate... very suspicious comments. Okay, Tim did not have the best season but he is always a threat to opposition teams and started to come back to form when he was played in his best position. Perhaps you should be more worried about which of Liverpool's holy trinity will be first to leave? Or am I completely wide of the mark? Probably not....
Alex Kociuba
23   Posted 08/06/2010 at 01:16:27

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Wide of the mark.. I'm just as much looking forward to the Redshite's downfall this summer as I am the World Cup. My comments are suspicious because I don't think Cahill is a living legend?

Original poster: We need 11 Tim Cahill's. Reality: 11 Tim Cahills would probably meant flirting with relegation this season as for the majority of it he wasn't very good. Everyone hates Heitinga at the moment because of his comments, but if we had 11 Heitinga's we would be Champions League contenders.

I appreciate the players who you know are giving 100% every single game most noticibly: Howard, Hibbert, Baines, Distin, Pienaar, Arteta, Saha. I don't think Cahill does.
James Stewart
24   Posted 08/06/2010 at 01:46:12

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Alex Cahill outscored Pienaar and even though he had a by his standards poor season. And Pienaar was voted player of the season by many.

Your statement about flirting with relegation with 11 Cahills are stupid and too far.
James Stewart
25   Posted 08/06/2010 at 01:50:02

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"I appreciate the players who you know are giving 100% every single game most noticeably: Howard, Hibbert, Baines, Distin, Pienaar, Arteta, Saha. I dont think Cahill does."

Distin..... Really?!
James Flynn
26   Posted 08/06/2010 at 02:04:20

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Alex - Thanks for keeping the off-season conversation moving. You turned an Aussie's obvious delight at repping his country, into some routine pronouncement by a pro trying to make himself look good.

Read no sarcasm into this. I'm impressed. Impressed to the point I feel you shouldn't be wasting your opinions on the off-season Blues.

Go here, http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=bos

You can twist a routine story about a soccer player expressing his pride in playing for his country as the WC is about to unfold? You were born to be a RedSox fan.

Wilson Tan
27   Posted 08/06/2010 at 02:19:53

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"Reality: 11 Tim Cahills would probably meant flirting with relegation this season... if we had 11 Heitinga's we would be Champions League contenders."

Alex, if we have 11 Cahills and 11 Heitinga, we will definitely be relegation material. Afterall, I doubt Tim makes a good centre half or goalkeeper, nor will Heitinga be a good striker or goalkeeper!

Point is, everyone has his value in the team, which is why, it's called a team.

Cahill's role doesn't need him to provide the creative spark (a la Arteta or Pienaar), he provides the nuisance-factor, defends from the front and be at the end of cross or set piece to score the goal. 45 goals in 6 years (166 games) against all sorts in the league. 6 years on, no one (from 'bigger' clubs to 'smaller' clubs) have figured out a way to stop this man.
Art Jones
28   Posted 08/06/2010 at 03:57:04

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Before every game we play and someone from the opposition is asked about who is our "dangerman", 99% of the time Cahill's name is brought to the fore. He's a nightmare for anyone we play against... this is now noticable when he plays for his national team. When the Aussies play any team, their national managers know who the Aussie threat comes from — not that it matters — he scores plenty for Australia as well!!!
Garry Martin
29   Posted 08/06/2010 at 06:14:30

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Alex (#3); I think you maybe going to a different game to everyone else, mate, or you're trying to wind everyone up!

COYB
Michael Kenrick
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30   Posted 08/06/2010 at 07:23:10

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Steve Cotton (#22): You're a relatively infrequent poster (unlike Alex, who was remarkably restrained in his response to that poor kopite jibe). So, just a reminder of the rules: we don't tolerate anyone playing the 'kopite' card as a basis for backing up your dubious disagreements with fellow Evertonians.

Think about it: What would a real kopite gain from posting more than once on here?... and how long would their posts remain up for? [Some of you may remember one particularly odious little kopite twat called "Eddie Honda" who would visit regularly. Just a part of the reason for the excellent membership system Lyndon implemented.]
Paul Gladwell
31   Posted 08/06/2010 at 07:49:23

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Alex, Bob Latchford is an Everton legend and Tim Cahill has done more for us than big Bob. He has won nowt, but is just as much a legend as Reid, Southall and Co.

As for last season, his early poor form was mainly down to being asked to play out wide, even Arteta is not as good in this position.

Paul Gladwell
32   Posted 08/06/2010 at 07:56:38

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And as for that Heitinga shout!!! He had a good second half to the season, nothing special... If he did piss off and we got a good fee, I would not be arsed — unlike losing Pienaar or Arteta.
Paul Gladwell
33   Posted 08/06/2010 at 08:03:02

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And again Alex, did you go to any games during the final run in as you would have noticed King Louis (who is world class on his day) gave jack shit work rate ever since he signed his contract. Towards the last few games, The Yak deserved a starting place ahead of him — and that was saying something.
Peter Bourke
34   Posted 08/06/2010 at 08:54:59

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"I appreciate the players who you know are giving 100% every single game most noticibly: Howard, Hibbert, Baines, Distin, Pienaar, Arteta, Saha. I don't think Cahill does." — I don't believe what I am reading. If there is one thing you cannot accuse Cahill of, it's not giving 100%. Alex, I must admit this comment above all others you have made is despicable and totally inaccurate.

And how in hells name do you know that no top clubs have come in for him?? Just because he isn't mentioned in gossip columns doesn't mean clubs haven't been interested. We all know how much Wenger admires him.

This is a good post and I'm afraid your attempt to hijack it, Alex, has failed.

Mark Murphy
35   Posted 08/06/2010 at 09:32:39

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He's achieved legend status at least for his goals against the shite, surely? The first Evertonian to score in 3 separate derbies since Dixie himself. He's also scored against all the top four clubs, more than once and is always a danger.

It's a very positive article, Alex, and why you feel the need to pour so much damp water on it and find negativity in a player bigging us up in an article that is basically about the World Cup and Australia is just puzzling.

I dont "idolise" footballers any more — not since the Latch, Dobson, King and Co threatened to strike for pay after having a decent season — but Tim Cahill will go down alongside Mick Lyons, Alan Ball, Duncan McKenzie and Sharpy as one of my favourite Blues ever.

Jason Lam
36   Posted 08/06/2010 at 10:18:56

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Cahill is a living legend and was played out of position. He was bloody well playing defensive mid at times because of Arteta's absence.

And when we have no fully fit strikers, we play 4-6-0, with Cahill leading the line. The old memory can't remember Man Shitty away eh? Setting up both goals.

Absolute bollocks post, Alex.
Jamie Morgan
37   Posted 08/06/2010 at 10:33:55

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He is Mr Everton at the moment, publicly declaring how he loves the club, signing for life etc. It's probably the only time I hope the Aussies do well in sport and it's only because I think Tim deserves it.

I got married a few months ago and my wife wrote to Everton asking for something signed. And I got an A4 full colour pic of Cahill, and he had personally wrote a good luck message on it. I bloody love him!!!
Liam Reilly
38   Posted 08/06/2010 at 10:42:05

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A lot of rumours linking players to Champions League clubs are started by the player's themselves or their agents to either force a move or a pay rise. 90% of the time there's not an element of truth in them.

Cahill, to his credit, has never once said he wanted to play his football anywhere else, except to end his playing days in his home country.

Top man. Legend IMO.
Duncan McDine
39   Posted 08/06/2010 at 11:17:28

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Alex is entitled to his opinion, and it's shocking to sink to the level of calling him a Kopite. However, I just love Tim Cahill as much as I do Mikel Arteta, and almost as much as I did Big Dunc.

It might be a weird concept to adore sporting athletes when you're an adult, but that's what makes us fans (fanatical).... and, to be honest, at the age of 30, I still dream about scoring the winning hat-trick in the FA Cup Final against the redshite after being 2-0 down with 10 mins to play ("Moyes looks like he's clutching at straws, bringing on his 3rd and final substitution, the largely untested Duncan McDine.... ")

Players like Tim Cahill live our dreams, and when they show the kind of passion for our club that we feel, you just have to love 'em.

Jason Leung
40   Posted 08/06/2010 at 12:00:33

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Tim Cahill is one of the most inspirational sportman ever to grace this earth. He is loyal to Everton and loyal to his home country of Australia. I met him at a signing session here down under, and I have to admit I was so priveleged to meet him.

>Alex, you cannot be more wrong about Timmy. He has admitted that he would sign for life only for wanting to play his last days of football here in Aus — where he will be paid not even 50% of what he earns at Everton, which tells me that IMO, it's not about the money and that's the only footballer I know who is not in it for the money.

Good Luck to him in the World Cup because he deserves it. An Everton Great!
Paul Corbett
41   Posted 08/06/2010 at 12:28:48

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I remember watching Australia v Iran in a friendly a few years ago whilst on holiday.

Me and my sister were sat behind one of the goals in our Everton shirts and as we took our seats someone said that the payers had already been over to sign autographs so thought we'd missed our chance.

A couple of minutes later, over walks Tim to talk to his friends and family. After spotting the two of us in blue he cut short the conversation and came over to sign autographs and to have some photos taken.

True blue.
Chris Fisher
42   Posted 08/06/2010 at 12:31:30

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I love Tim Cahill, he is an Everton legend.
Alex Kociuba
43   Posted 08/06/2010 at 12:30:49

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It just seems odd in my eyes that Tim Cahill has all this attention and support, but players like Hibbert are constantly slagged off in here. Hibbert has shown true loyalty; he doesn't need to jump over fences, decalare his love for us in the media etc. Tim Cahill is a showman, a show off, a celebrity and it seems a lot of people have fallen for it.
David Moore
44   Posted 08/06/2010 at 11:02:11

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Alex Kociuba, are you from New Zealand, if so, go back to your sheep.
Michael Evans
45   Posted 08/06/2010 at 13:46:33

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David, Alex is entitled to his opinion and we are supposed to debate not resort to sarcasm.

Personally, I like Cahill... but legend? Not sure on that. I can see what Alex is trying to point out. Cahill is a bit of a showman but we all love that at Everton, don't we?

As a boy, I used to think that Duncan McKenzie was amazing because it was reported he could jump over a car!

Matthew Douglas
46   Posted 08/06/2010 at 13:52:12

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He really is a dying breed. I think when he does eventually retire it will become very obvious how few of these footballers are around these days. He just oozes class... from the shirt exchange at the last World Cup, to constantly taking time to sign autographs for fans, to everything he says.

He's all about respect.... look how he showed Millwall respect when he knocked them out of the FA Cup a few seasons back. They had given him his opportunity so while he did his job for Everton (and did it well) he still showed respect for them. He's a fan of the game that got to live his dream and never forgot where he came from. True legend in my eyes.

Duncan McDine... good luck mate!! I dream the same dream, ha!

Mark Murphy
47   Posted 08/06/2010 at 14:16:06

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Alex, my apologies for the stick you are getting but I still think you are being overly negative about a very positive and refreshing article. I like Hibbert, and Osman come to that, and if either of them had said the same thing, I would have quoted them instead.

I'll never forget that Hibbo signed his contract the same day as Rooney and, whilst they are miles apart in talent, I'll always be happy to see Hibbo in our team. He was harshly judged in my eyes for just one bad half in that FA Cup Final and is better than the stick he gets. But that's another thread....

Duncan, I'm a 51-year-old vets team left back and I still watch Bainesie closely in preparation for my call-up should he be injured!

Alex Kociuba
48   Posted 08/06/2010 at 16:03:05

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I accept I have been overly negative, partly to redress the balance of his (in my opinion) unwarranted hero status. I wasn't saying he isn't a gentleman or a good footballer either as some have suggested.

Also what is the point, or enjoyment in a debate if everyone is on the same side?
Richard Parker
49   Posted 08/06/2010 at 14:42:03

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Alex, Saha 100%? Cahill not? Reeeeeally? You sure? Really sure?

If you'd have said Cahill doesn't have the natural ability of Saha, I would have agreed. But doesn't try as hard as Saha?

I'm not sure that I've seen Saha give 100% for more than about 2 minutes, but he's a good player and I'm happy to have him. But Cahill would run through walls for Everton and then he'd run through redshites, turn around and run through them again and then jump up and down on them for a bit, for Everton. I'm surprised that you question that.

Tim's headlock on Alonso in the derby is enough to go down in folklore and he's done plenty besides.
Alex Kociuba
50   Posted 08/06/2010 at 16:44:51

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I'm 100% sure that he was pretty bad for 75% of the season. As for him running through walls... this is the kind of bullshit which prompted me to say something in the first place. Cahill was anonymous in countless games in the season just gone. That I am "Reeeeeally" sure about.
Richard Parker
51   Posted 08/06/2010 at 17:04:07

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That's good. But are you reeeeeally sure that he puts in less than Saha?

He didn't have his best season, I don't think people will argue about that but, at the risk of riling people on here, he's done more for Everton than Big Dunc ever did and with plenty more dignity as well.

David Thomas
52   Posted 08/06/2010 at 17:36:39

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Alex,

I went to every single game last season, home and away, and to say "he was pretty bad for 75% of the season" is completely untrue. As I have said before, he didn't start the season very well because he was carrying an injury and was playing out of position, but from November onwards he started to get his form back. In the last few months of the season he was one of our best players.
Alex Kociuba
53   Posted 08/06/2010 at 17:44:46

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Duncan Ferguson is another discussion for another day, however in many respects Ferguson was very dignified, much more so than Cahill. I don't remember him prosituting himself with DVDs of his life story. All the work he did for local charities without making a song and dance about it. Rarely spoke to any media (which is what this is all about).

People forget that Ferguson was a hero not because he was a world class footballer or indeed a gentleman, but the mid-90s gloom which hung over Goodison was suffocating. Ferguson offered a ray of light, some hope, a breath of fresh air to the misery of year-after-year relegation escapes.
Tony J Williams
54   Posted 09/06/2010 at 09:04:06

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Yep the most dignified convict we had on the books, Alex.

The life story documentary was on Australian TV, hence the interviewer being Stave Waugh, not made for release in England, where he actually plays.

Everton FC — the Club — must have seen a money maker and made it into a DVD for us fans that don't get Australian TV.
Richard Parker
55   Posted 09/06/2010 at 09:24:01

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I just wanted to compare another player with "debatable" hero-status.

Don't get me wrong — I'll always have a place for Big Dunc in my heart, but he was the anti-hero. He was loved inspite of himself for quite a few of the wrong reasons. Like the photo of him throttling Stefan Freund... brilliant, but hardly dignified.

He also cost Everton an awful lot of money, without giving a massive amount back. Had he been fit and played as many games as Cahill, then he would have been a true blue legend, but he didn't.

Cahill has always given everything, despite being played out of position for large portions of the last few seasons. Can you imagine Saha, or Big Dunc, being told, "Right — we're short, so you're on the wing, off you go, give 100%"

You can debate Cahill's ability and his hero status, but you can't debate his heart and what he gives to the team. And on top of that, he comes across as a genuine bloke who appreciates what he has and not a prima donna arsehole.

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