This lad obviously has some talent otherwise Moyes would not have bought him. He is a very classy player, likes to put his foot on the ball and look up, and that?s great if he wasn?t playing on the wing. During the build up to an attack, you want quick passing that penetrates the back four. Not someone putting their foot on the ball and getting closed down.
In my opinion he is not a winger, he is an attacking midfielder, he is very skilful and he has venomous shot on him. This was displayed in his two goals this season, the one against West Ham he was in the centre of the pitch and it was a good strike on the half volley. The spectacular finish against Wolves was again him running him in the centre of the park, and look what happened.
I think as Tim Cahill is getting older and can play fewer games due to injury or fatigue, we should try Billy in the ?Cahill role? as it is now known as. He is half decent in the air as well.
I think Moyes needs to release the new Everton as the old lion hearts edge closer to the end of their careers we should look to play the youth more. Vellios looks like he has the potential to be as good as Big Dunc, I know this is a big shout already but he is tall, can head a ball well, holds the ball up well but he is skilful and has a bit of pace about him. There is also Magaye Gueye who is skilful, quick and very determined. His performance against villa this year made me think of Manuel Fernandes, he likes to take the game by the scruff of the neck and have a go. There is obviously Seamus and Jack, then Shane Duffy and Jose Baxter as well. There is also the lads who make it through the under 18 league winners who make it through.
I don?t think we need many signings maybe a couple of free transfers and then maybe a loan move or two. It is just the fact of 1 more striker and a kitty of around £10 million I think with the clearance of Yobo, Yakubu which I think about £ 6/7 million for both, and then Vaughan going. Then one more may go. This is the season where Moyes needs the squad to step up and repay the faith he has put in them and the faith we put in them every week. The reception Moyes received at the lap of honour was tremendous. He is Everton through and through; I don?t think he will leave till he gets that elusive piece of silverware or Kenwright moves out. Onwards Evertonians?
Jake Wilson, Posted 05/06/2011 at 20:03:49
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1 Posted 05/06/2011 at 20:33:24
2 Posted 05/06/2011 at 20:31:27
Love the positive post BUT based on 10 secs of football im afraid yer mad!!!!!!
and Billy will be off as soon as a decent bid comes in
3 Posted 05/06/2011 at 21:10:43
Bily should play behind the main striker.
He has great vision and can play a slide rule pass but his lack of phsicality and work rate rule him out of the wide midfiled roles.
I just hope Moyes sees it because with Beckford's movement and Bily's vision, which we lack elsewhere in the park (especially in the current first choice AM Tim Cahill), we have potential which should at least be considered.
4 Posted 05/06/2011 at 21:26:41
Dont agree with your assessments of our younger players if they where that good Moyes would have given them more game time already.
I'm almost tempted to say ok Citeh give us £20mill and Bridge or Lescott for Baines and splash out on Sturridge and Crouch, we need strikers.
5 Posted 05/06/2011 at 21:33:25
6 Posted 05/06/2011 at 21:57:15
7 Posted 05/06/2011 at 22:09:47
8 Posted 05/06/2011 at 22:06:57
He's just not going to cut it, Jake. Sad to say. It was worth Moyes' punt on him, well maybe not at the price he paid. But it's time to face reality.
Next season's going to be tough enough as it is, without sentimental hoping that a fella who is over 26 is finally going to cut it. If we get anything around the £3m mark we should just grab it. I'll be amazed, but delighted, if we get a penny more.
9 Posted 05/06/2011 at 20:34:56
Although I'm one of the more positive fans on this site, I have to say that in this one case I can't really share your optimism.
Whilst I totally agree that Bily isn't a winger, has a cracking shot on him and could maybe do a job in the middle, I just don't think we're the club (or maybe even the league) for him. His style seems just too languid and slow for the pace of the premier league where you don't get the same space you would in other countries and he doesn't chase the play or get stuck in with tackles which Moyes demands from his team.
Then there's the issue of who he'd be pushing out if we did play him there - it's not just Cahill, but there's also Felliani, Arteta, Osman and even Gueye competing for attacking midfield slots.
I personally think we'd be better playing two proper forwards upfront anyway with a couple of Beckford/Saha/Vellios/Anichebe/New Forward Signing
In terms of reliance on youth versus new signings, I agree to a point in that bringing youth through and keeping the club running at a profit is a more sustainable model for our club than signing expensive mercenaries on increasingly ludicrous wages.
That said, we do need a bit of experience to balance/inspire the youth, especially on the flanks+upfront. For me we need 3 players to give us a chance next year: 2 proper wide-midfielders (1 probably paid+1 free) and a striker with some sort of pedigree who can play up front on his own if/when needed.
Elsewhere, whilst it would be nice to have wingback cover I think we can muddle through, so it's more a case of covering player sales (i.e. if we lose Heitinga, we need another central def).
10 Posted 05/06/2011 at 22:34:46
11 Posted 05/06/2011 at 22:24:21
Velios has demonstrated he has the potential to be as good as Duncan Ferguson?? />
Gueye takes the game by the scruff of the neck???
The only signings we need are a couple of free transfers????
Who are you? Ned fucking Flanders? I understand some people are inordinately optimistic and have an unshakeable positive outlook on life but you can't seriously believe any of the above. You'll be telling us camel shit tastes like caviar next.
Bily is a waste of space, physically and mentally weak, lacking in pace, spirit and work rate.
Velios has played about 8 minutes all season so how you can come to any conclusion about his potential is pretty mystifying:
Gueye did show a few nice touches and a willingness to take people on in one game but then proceeded to stink the place out the following week. Again it is way to early to make any judgement call about the lad.
12 Posted 05/06/2011 at 23:02:49
Bily has been a dreadful failure and certainly NOT worth the money paid for him on his showings so far..
13 Posted 05/06/2011 at 23:13:57
I have a feeling that if the gaffer could get rid and get his money back he would. I also have a feeling he's gone this Summer (Bily that is - don't want to slip slide into another thread).
14 Posted 06/06/2011 at 01:21:53
Cahill's our best header up front by a wide mark, while Bily is hopeless at that. In the role you mention, he'd be third choice at best.
And yer right, he's not much of a winger. I've wanted him to work as he has some skill, but I'd sell to fund a winger.
We also need two strikers, one on free maybe, but certainly not two. We need a top class (ok maybe not £25 m, but yes £14-15 m) striker. How? By sales, I'm afraid.
15 Posted 06/06/2011 at 01:57:28
Time for him to have a fresh start at another club and another league. I think he is an immense talent and I'd like him to fulfill his huge potential but I don't think he's suited to Everton's style of play and to the speed of the premier league. IF he stays, Moyes must give him the time and play him in the position to do well. He is NOT a winger. Insanity is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
16 Posted 06/06/2011 at 02:06:58
17 Posted 06/06/2011 at 02:22:19
I agree that he needs to be played behind the striker, not on the wing, but I doubt its ever going to happen.
Although he is an entirely different type of player to Cahill, I really think there is success to be found in playing Bilyaletdinov in that position. Moyes might be a good manager, but he is also stubborn, so the chance of seeing him try something as obvious as this is next to nil.
Bily will be sold or frustratingly played on the wing again next season.
18 Posted 06/06/2011 at 03:45:25
19 Posted 06/06/2011 at 05:57:51
IMO Bily is absolutely awful...apart from one or two goals from outside of the area he has offered absolutely nothing since his arrival. He has no pace, no guile and most of all NO HEART.
Moyes should hold his hands up and admit he made another mistake (a la Koldrup) with this one only this time he wasted £10 million and not five.
GET RID ASAP
20 Posted 06/06/2011 at 06:55:58
I am sick of hearing this shite about putting him inside and he will be a success, the lad has a great shot and sod all else, some people live in cloud cuckoo land and John Daley summed it all up to me,
21 Posted 06/06/2011 at 08:28:34
22 Posted 06/06/2011 at 09:48:38
Rumours inform us that his stock is still high in his homeland and some even say we might recoup our full transfer fee! With our squad as small and limited as it is i don't think we can afford to keep a potential £6m windfall on the bench in the hope that he might one day turn it around.
He's had two seasons. If he stays i wish the best for him but i think its time to say 'do svidaniya'.
23 Posted 06/06/2011 at 11:35:43
24 Posted 06/06/2011 at 12:33:53
Paul Gladwell you wrote 'I have yet to see a footballer who has so many times had an opponent come up behind him and take the ball off him, that's not good vision mate'.
I can only assume you like many others have chosen to forget about years of Osman being caught on the ball like a rabbit in the headlights. Indeed it happened so often that he actually keeping hold of the ball started to become quite the culture shock.
Of course I shall look forward to the criticism that will inevitiably come my way for having the gaul to slate 'Darling Leon'.
Back to Billy he is far too one paced for this league and so he should be flogged to whomever. I for one (and I'm assuming it's only me) thinks that to an extent thinks he has been mismanaged but I can accept that others just think he is a complete waste of time which is more than the gratitude that I am certain to receive for criticising a player whom has received unrivalled loyalty.
25 Posted 06/06/2011 at 12:31:05
Lets not be too hard on Bily, he's playing in a league full of cloggers, nobody in our team knows the Russian for 'man on', he's obviously a confidence player and he's a skilfull, creative player.
If you guys just want a player who will run around the pitch then we should sell him and talk Calton Palmer out of retirement.
Personally, I'd give him more time. I can see a classy player in there somewhere.
26 Posted 06/06/2011 at 12:38:49
Players who are 'bought' should always be in the team otherwise they are not worth paying big money for....strangely enough the so called cheaper players are much better value eg; Cahill, Arteta, Jags, Baines, Saha (I truly wish he could be kept fit), Distin and Coleman..
All the older ones have given great service and we must make every effort to hang onto Jags, Baines and Coleman.....we must keep the squad average age down and not just plug gaps with short term fixes.
Distin for me has been the 'buy' of the season and I have nothing but admiration for the guy who stays very fit, does no bleating and ALWAYS performs reliably.
He and Jags are one of the best centre back partnerships in the premier and they are the cornerstone of our team along with Baines, Hibbo/Neville in front of Howard.
Our midfield has been inconsistent since Peanuts left and our attack has been toothless on occasions....I reckon the defence deserves all the plaudits as they have performed heroically for most of the season.
27 Posted 06/06/2011 at 12:44:52
I like you, saw something in Bily, and was for ever defending his displays and at sometimes lack of interest for want of a better description.
In our after match discussion of the game, in the pub.
I feel that something has got to happen, because Moyes must be as confused, as most fans, and if the lad has to move on so be it.
Our squad is too small, to be carrying someone who only contributes in the odd match.
Gus Hiddinck, rates him, maybe if he moves to Chelski so will Bily???
28 Posted 06/06/2011 at 13:10:11
He does look weak for the English game, and he would have found it tough anyway being the slight figure that he is. However, I don?t think it?s helped that not once has he been played in his correct position, which ultimately has seen his confidence shot to pieces.
For the last few games of the season I would have played him behind the forward and see how he done. If he was still unable to adapt then a sale in the summer would have had to of happened, although I can see him going anyway.
It really frustrates me that he will probably leave us, play in his right position for another club, get his confidence back and have a great time with them.
Cue to a toffeeweb post in a few months time?? ?why couldn?t he play like that for us??!
29 Posted 06/06/2011 at 13:37:28
Getting caught in posession has nothing to do with "vision" unless you are talking about the peripheral/specsavers kind.
As anyone else who read the post will realise, I was referring to the ability to visualise play before it happens in order to put the ball where it needs to be a moment later.
I do understand completely those who have given the lad his last chance because he has been largely pathetic.
We're not going to get back what we paid for him this season so DM may just as well put him in his favourite spot for a couple of friendlies and see what happens.
30 Posted 06/06/2011 at 13:03:57
31 Posted 06/06/2011 at 13:03:57
32 Posted 06/06/2011 at 14:40:24
I would like to class myself as the younger generation biten by the lil fucker bug known as EVERTON FC. I would have to agree with the OP'ster regarding his view on the current squad and in particular Bily.
As much as I respect the older generation of supporters here - this will probably get me absolutely smashed but fuck it, I'm going to say it anyway - keep him as would most probably be the only one to change the way we play (points and justification below):
"...the Everton way"
Lets elaborate on the above phrase (well my interpretation and what initially lead me to this club): proud HISTORY!, work for your mate next to you, encourage each other, the UNDERDOGS, make a mistake - make up for it, NO BILLIONARE, champion team - not team of champions, 100% no more, no less.
Alright, cliche's left, right and centre however someone tell me which other club in the premier league that is 'fortunate / unfortunate' to fall under all those categories?
However (again, my interpretation on 'the Everton way') from what I gather and I'm sure the majority will agree is that there are other trait's that would somewhat depict the so called Everton way.
"Hoofball, Negativity, Everyone drop back for a goal kick, cannot be low grade sides, one up front, defensive structure, Anichebe?"
Alright, the comment was unnecessary re: Anichebe (thought I'd add him as every other post turns into an Anichebe debate) but the above phase too would depict the so-called 'current or existing' Everton way. Maybe its management that needs to change but in order to change the latter end of the phrases, we'll need to look at implementing change in our play.
Bily has the creativity, vision, spark to ability to create something out of nothing but unfortunately (as clearly stated above), does not show it too often. Maybe it's management and the current coaching staff but if we can at least get the squad to play a bit more smarter and avoid the hoofing and hoping for a corner/set play - lets try to use the creativity of our players in order to (as much as I'd hate to say it), play like Arsenal.
We should give him one more off season in order to work with him and justify his worth (surely Hiddink and Moyes knew that he required much needed conditioning). Get his confidence up, put on the needed size (protein shakes, roids, anything!) required to play in the PL, and his increase in strength and fitness should follow suit.
As he is one of the very few players in the side, I genuinely believe has the creativity and vision to change the tide of a hard fort match (Arteta and Osman being the others) surely he should get his final chance.
Hypothetically (and just to clarify, this is not my ideal option), if things do not work out, I'm sure the increase game time and work done over the off season should surely surpass this seasons stats of 2 goals this season and a hand full of appearances and therefore increase his price...
Anyway this typing is doing my head in (2hrs worth) - off to bed, as I'm sure I'll be left with some very interesting reads on the ride to work tomorrow morning...
33 Posted 06/06/2011 at 15:27:34
34 Posted 06/06/2011 at 16:22:50
35 Posted 06/06/2011 at 17:41:33
36 Posted 06/06/2011 at 20:52:20
37 Posted 06/06/2011 at 22:48:06
38 Posted 06/06/2011 at 23:12:12
Secondly, Vellios. I hope that comment about Duncan was tongue in cheek! To be fair the lad hasn't had a fair crack yet but he's pretty much a lower league Greek player. Not fit to lace the big man's boots. I certainly didn't feel a presence when he came on during a few games last season. I'd rather have James Vaughan any day. The jury is well and truly out. Another Jukebox if you ask me.
Finally, Gueye is like Manny Fernandes you say? When Fernandes first pulled on a blue shirt I knew instantly that the guy oozed class. Some of his passing was so crisp and his shooting packed a bit of punch too. Gueye has bags of potential yes but he is very raw. Fernandes was cultured and a calming influence in possession from day one. Gueye is a bit like a rabbit in headlights when he gets the ball. I did think he had a very good hour against Blackburn though and I look forward to seeing a bit more from him but he's less Fernandes more a left-sided Coleman.
39 Posted 07/06/2011 at 04:49:06
He's got a great shot on him, he is good with the ball, and he does always look for the pass. I think part of the problem with supporters' perceptions of him is that most of the time when they see him it's in the last 5-10 minutes and he's trying to make a smart pass but his supporting players are already winded or just looking to let the game run out. So his passes don't come off or he's left stranded on the ball without support and has nowhere to go. For some reason in America we had a ton of Russia's games on the TV for the past few years and I watched him play over and over again. And every match he was so good on the ball, picked out the right runs, and just fit right in. I still say give him one more year and hope that Moyes continues with the trend I started to see last season, giving the subs more time on the pitch. He's a talented footballer, but I do agree we haven't seen enough yet. But I think there are multiple reasons and they're not all down to him. But, he does need to work his ass off next season, if he's still here.
40 Posted 07/06/2011 at 07:03:20
Ah, you mean he's a Pienaar.
41 Posted 07/06/2011 at 08:14:03
42 Posted 07/06/2011 at 14:39:05
Any talented player we have had under Moyes has had his talent stifled or coached out of him.
See reports today that he has offered Weir a coaching role ?
Just what we need, another fucking defender teaching us how to keep a clean sheet and earn a point.
43 Posted 07/06/2011 at 23:45:49
If he leaves for a PL club it will haunt us. Spurs would make him a star. He has never got an even break from us. Fair enough he may not suit our supposed style so why buy him in the first place?
He has rare talent and it is sad to see our manager and coaches fail to bring the best out of him by giving him little time and playing him out of position. He has been failed by Everton!
44 Posted 08/06/2011 at 01:17:52
One of the worst players to pull on the blue jersey in the last five years.
Producing something every 15-25 games and bypassed for the other 23 is not my idea of improving and moving forward.
He has no football brain or positional sense what so ever and is out of his depth in the Premier League.
Any player who helps the fullback out defending with there arms behind there back seriously needs to have a word with themselves.
If he was English cost ten million and didn't have a silly name he would have been crucified, Mcfadden was shite but was alot better than Billy.
45 Posted 08/06/2011 at 01:31:20
Dont fool yourself Spurs had a bit of a run in the Champions League that apart were there usual inconsistent self in the league.
The only way Billy would look good in England is if each team played with five players and the game was played at walking pace.
46 Posted 08/06/2011 at 08:27:11
47 Posted 08/06/2011 at 10:05:55
48 Posted 08/06/2011 at 12:16:58
No effort, no passion, he just doesnt care.
Get rid £9M for that waste of space.
The guy who sent Moyes the Bily DVD with the highlight reel deserves an oscar
49 Posted 08/06/2011 at 17:33:52
Having said that we live in a democracy and my opinion seems to be as popular as Nick Clegg this time.
I still agree with me though!
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