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Neville?s Positive Attitude

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You?ve got to take your hat off to the lad ? he?s right, we did finish strongly & performed against the top teams which has been our downfall in recent seasons. We are all frustrated with the board knowing we need some key investment in the team eg, a winger & striker(s), knowing that some dead wood will need to be shifted to free up the wages but I think we do all get bogged down with the politics.

We?ve got some great kids coming through on the horizon in Barkley & Hope & our youth system seems to be producing which is vital for us but it?s the immediate shortfalls in our squad that we just don?t seem to have the capacity to fulfill.

When you?ve got the likes of Stoke commanding far superior speculation (£15M for Scott Dan) to us, it does worry you. Sunderland have sold £40M+ & Newcastle £35M so their spending power will reflect in the market... Even promoted teams seem stronger financially than us.

I don?t want to sell Rodwell but we seem to be in that predicament where we have to, just to fill gaping holes in our first team. I hope we find a way to fund the N'Zogbia bid and a decent striker without selling a key asset.

I think the lack of a clear strategy & plan for dealing with the forthcoming season is killing any enthusiasm & positive outlook for most Evertonians. This could however be reversed with some decisive & concise action one way or another in the transfer market, with the board stepping up to deliver some funds & stop hiding behind Moyes like a pathetic frightened child...

Alex Buckley, Huyton     Posted 26/06/2011 at 00:23:04

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Paul Hardcastle
1   Posted 26/06/2011 at 00:50:35

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I don't think we finished very strongly at all. We won only two of the last 5 games, and we lost two, drew the other one, squandering 8 points out of 15 available. That is not a strong finish in my book. Form had been better over the previous seven games and that had pushed us close to the top of the form table. But we fell away towards the end... however, the 1-0 win over Chelsea made up for those failings.

What I find laughable is the similarity between what Capn Phil is saying now and what plenty were saying before the last season started so badly ? optimism that was roundly lambasted as unreasonable expectation after the fact.

"Bogged down by the politics"??? Not sure what that's about... we're talking football ? not politics!

I remain completely unconvinced by them, be it the players, Moyes or both, and they will need to show us on the field, starting Day One at White Hart Lane, that these are not just more meaningless platitudes, the like of which we heard on a weekly basis last season from our gloriously verbose captain.

The strategy for next season is quite simple: same as the last... and the one before... and the one before that. Nothing could possibly be as clear. Moyes believes the key to success is pre-season in America, where the facilities are to die for... What more do you need to know?
Chris Bannantyne
2   Posted 26/06/2011 at 01:14:05

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Yeah I read Nevs comments, and to be honest they gave me the shits.

He has been saying the same thing every preseason for the past four or five seasons, and it never eventuates. I'm starting to wonder whether he gets the nod from Moyes to say "we're definitely not going to be able to bring in any transfers, can you start spouting some of this 'best squad ever - verge of success' crap to keep the fans on side?"

Cynical I know, but seriously, is be happier if he said "next season is going to be a bastard", that way when we win nothing and finish 7th or 8th I will be pleasantly surprised.

Then again, maybe I read too much into this.
Luke O'Farrell
3   Posted 26/06/2011 at 01:24:45

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He hasn't got a positive mind set ... he's simply deluded along with most of our squad who quote rubbish in the press.

The one player who speaks his actual genuine opinion, and not some scripted waffle, is Arteta. When asked what we need to progress, he simply said, "a lot of investment".

Whereas we have to painfully listen to Neville trying to kid us into thinking we are going places.
Matt Traynor
4   Posted 26/06/2011 at 01:47:45

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Groundhog Season... Starring Bill K instead of Bill Murray... and a host of cameo appearances.
Sean McKenna
5   Posted 26/06/2011 at 04:22:36

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Yeah pretty much the same old shit from our captain, sick to death of players spouting rubbish to the fans ? why don't they just shut their trap and play football? Actions speak louder than words, Phill!!

As for the transfers, I've a funny feeling about the N'Zogbia one, Wigan's chairman, Big Dave who in my opinion is the most honest open chairmen in the league, said that Everton would be a good move for N'Zogbia... Now that the whole nzogbia rumours have died a sudden death, maybe we have him already in the bag so we are keeping it quiet till July the first? Wishful thinking I know but Moyes also stated that he wants transfers wrapped up early so he can get the team in early to bond, which could be the key to a good start.
Derek Thomas
6   Posted 26/06/2011 at 06:46:36

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Puxsetawney Bill pops out every now and then when we look like turning over a big team, but goes back into his hole Vs Reading.

How many more of these dark winter seasons are we going to have Puxsetawney f'kin Bill

Cue Sonny and Cher, I got you babe

We should change to that instead of Zcars

Groundhog season

' They say we're young and we dont know..........'
John Audsley
7   Posted 26/06/2011 at 07:50:43

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Neville talking utter bollox as always

Its all PR crap and pathetic

Until the board man up or Moyes uses his undoubted powers behind the scenes (Like threaten them just a little bit with the idea of quitting if he isnt given a little money) to make them man up we are sailing in circles.

Moyes WONT say a word though as he has the best Chairman and Board in the Prem............

If Neville is here next season expect the same pointless soundbite

Very depressing
Steve Guy
8   Posted 26/06/2011 at 09:26:19

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I've said it before about Neville and a few others who like to spout off.......shut up and do your talking on the pitch.

We were poor last season and I don't think we finished particularly well either, 6th spot was there for the taking and we blew it....again.

If we are top 5 at Christmas I will eat the proverbial hat
Trevor Lynes
9   Posted 26/06/2011 at 10:00:20

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If you look at the official site it is filled with trivia...Rodders fancies the Olympics, Nev's upbeat about the upcoming season and Coleman will make a defender one day !!!!!
DM has said nowt about transfers in and budgets etc...BK has joined the cast of the Wizard of OZ I reckon..
All I see is every other team in the league doing transfer business except us and its not good enough !!
We drastically need a fit striker to partner Becks, cover for Baines and someone to cross the ball and beat his man from the right...
All we did last season was loan out virtually a full squad and bring in no one....we were very lucky that Peanuts filled in well for Arteta when he was absent and Ozzie played his best football since making the first team...Baines got through the season without injury and the defence played magnificently.
We have no decent back up for numerous positions and we need to strengthen the squad not weaken it !!!!
Steve Cotton
10   Posted 26/06/2011 at 10:22:54

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Trevor spot on... we were lucky in that respect that our main men ie Baines and the 2 centre backs stayed fit..
Realistically we are no longer a buying club, just expect who ever gets sold to not be replaced.
Actuall I think Yakubu could have a good season up top if he stays, but I would try and sell Bily even at a loss and get N'Zogbia or similar in.
That would at least make us balanced and not carrying anyone
Shaun Sparke
11   Posted 26/06/2011 at 10:25:52

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As the club captain you wouldn?t expect anything less from Neville. If he said that we were hopeless and that he was looking forward to another season of struggling to stay in the top half of the table then we would all shout him down. If he says nothing then we would get others saying why isn?t our captain showing some leadership? I actually agree with him. I think we do have a decent, albeit small squad. The best first eleven played in their right positions are a match for any other side in the Premier League, they proved that last year at times but sadly let so many of us down by playing like a team of strangers on too many occasions. This has to be down to the manager, he has to instil the motivation the belief and the hunger into the players that they can win every match they play.

We all know that we are short of a first rate forward, I am sure that Moyes knows that too. But let?s not hide behind the investment side of things for a moment. Moyes has often said that he has to work with what he has got, and on the whole he has done a great job in keeping us where we are. Is that really enough though? He is the man, the Johnny on the spot, the big Honcho. The buck stops with him. It?s time to show that he is more than a make do and mend manager. The first game of the new season is the most important game of our entire history and we must win it. Then the next game becomes the most important game in our whole history and we must win that one too. I get the feeling that Sir Alex makes his players believe that before every game, it?s time Moyes made our players believe that to.

Mark Stone
12   Posted 26/06/2011 at 10:22:52

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What you have to remember when you see the likes of Sunderland and Newcastle splashing big bucks around, is that the players they will be bringing in will not be as effective as the ones they have sold. We mock the RS for the money they have spent on Carroll ... but make no mistake, he (and particularly his understanding with Kev Nolan) was incredibly important for Newcastle and until his injury was in the top 2 or 3 strikers in the premier league. A club of their stature will not, for any money, be able to recreate the Nolan / Carroll partnership or be able to attract a player as effective as Carroll. Whatever they spend this summer, for me they will be in or around the relegation candidates next year. Same goes for Henderson who is one of the most committed players I have ever seen, and who will be sorely missed by Sunderland.

This also makes me think about next year that we have no chance of breaking the glass ceiling above us. The RS are hugely improved and will be back in the top 4. And unless something catastrophic happens at City or Spurs then what chance do we have?! I predict 7th.
Richard Dodd
13   Posted 26/06/2011 at 10:41:05

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Captain Pip should be nick-named `Noddy`-then he could be excused for trotting out the same positive `shit` that I`m accused of in these columns!
My suspicion is that he`s frequently asked to put his name to a few bland quotes written by the Press Office and they are then pushed out via the OS and the Echo.
Difference being that my comments are heart-felt and come from an outside observer.
Tony McNulty
14   Posted 26/06/2011 at 11:08:50

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It's as relevant as the Chairman of a company at the AGM saying, "Of course we all exist to provide shareholder value." It probably gives a warm feeling to some of the audience ... like they've pissed in their pants.

I don't really mind Nev's rallying calls. It's better than saying, "We're shit and we know it."

I believe our league position is an actual reflection of what we are: pretty good also rans who won't be relegated, but neither will we reach the very top. Of course if half the side get transferred in the next six weeks that could change. But I am certainly not expecting any huge funds to emerge from the Board in the next month or so.
John Audsley
15   Posted 26/06/2011 at 12:00:45

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For the first time i agree with you

Good point sir
Rob Murphy
16   Posted 26/06/2011 at 12:04:10

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'Fizzer18' is giving Seamus lots of ammunition for their cringe inducing teenage twitter banter with his annual pre-season shite talk.What that saying about little boys ... Oh yeah, they never grow up ... bout time 'Fizzer' did some growing up & shutting up while he's at it
Luke Dunn
17   Posted 26/06/2011 at 12:40:11

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Who cares what Stoke, Sunderland, Newcastle spend? Scott Dann is shite and the players that these teams attract are not better than what we have.

Also, £20M for Henderson, lot of cash for someone who can only pass the ball 5 yards sideways. He was shocking for the England U21s. Let's not envy others.
Michael Evans
18   Posted 26/06/2011 at 13:40:37

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Does this mean we're about to sign Manuel Fernandes? Moutinho? ... ????

What pre-season year is this?

Neville's yearly pep-talk comments are so surreal that they rip a hole in the "space time continuum" thingy...

ps: Beware the Klingons.

John Keating
19   Posted 26/06/2011 at 14:52:11

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I have to agree that Neville and the rest of the "pricks" who totally under-performed all season should keep their gobs firmly shut. It was so embarrassing listening to them telling us on a Wednesday that they were planning to put things right on the Saturday then going out and playing even worse!!!

However, maybe, possibly Neville knows something we don't ?? Maybe he knows Moyes is hoping Man.City are planning to offload half their team to half their wage bill using free transfers!! What do you reckon on Adebayor, Santa Cruz, Bellamy and Wright Phillips ? ALL on frees!!!!!! Hope is eternal!!

Jay Harris
20   Posted 26/06/2011 at 16:12:11

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It doesn't matter what Neville or any other player says.

Most Evertonians can see that we are becoming totally stagnant while those around us strengthen.

The current top 6 are all looking to spend to strengthen putting an even bigger gap between them and us while the teams around us like Newcastle, Stoke, Sunderland are also looking to strengthen significantly.

A new signing gives supporters and the existing squad a lift and freshens up the banter in the squad... While no investment depresses most of the players just as much as the supporters.

Not forgetting that we have also lost Pienaar, Gosling, Vaughan and for all intents and purposes Yobo and Yak and not replaced any of them except for an oxygen tent.

Some teams will not play as badly as last season either for example can anyone honestly see us taking 6 points off City and 4 points off Chelsea again next season.

I hate to be a glass half-full person but unless there is a radical shake up in the squad I can see PN's comments coming back to haunt him.
Dennis Stevens
21   Posted 26/06/2011 at 16:48:09

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Nice bit of wishful thinking, John. However, even if Manchester City did offload a some players on free transfers just to clear the decks ready for more high profile signings, we wouldn't be in contention for any - we wouldn't be able to offer a salary anywhere near their curent one &, even if a player was willing to consider a pay cut, we'd always be out bid by a rival club. If we get good enough offers for any of our best players then we have to sell high & buy cheap, or free - that's the Everton way!
Eugene Ruane
22   Posted 26/06/2011 at 18:54:14

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Sean Sparke (10) you say "..If he says nothing then we would get others saying why isn?t our captain showing some leadership?"



WHAT 'others'?

Captain twitter should keep in mind talk is cheap.

He should say fuck all and show his 'leadership' on the park.

(and whoever these 'others' turn out to be - fuck 'em)
Brendan McLaughlin
23   Posted 26/06/2011 at 20:32:24

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Oh so Toffeeweb. Just as one thread lambasting David Moyes for not being positive enough about Seamus Coleman disappears off the radar; along comes another bashing Neville's positivity!!!!!
Richard Dodd
24   Posted 26/06/2011 at 20:45:54

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So what do you imagine Toffeeweb is for then, Brendan?
Brendan McLaughlin
25   Posted 26/06/2011 at 21:09:52

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Just loving the diversity, Richard.
Tony McNulty
26   Posted 26/06/2011 at 21:24:07

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I suggest those not liking conflict should all sit in a circle, holding hands, singing Kum Ba Yah, dressed like the Stepford Wives.

Marc Williams
27   Posted 26/06/2011 at 22:35:31

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Well done Captain Pip for all your positivity. Just reading your comments is to me and I'm sure many other Evertonians like a new signing.

Every year I look forward to these summer weeks just to listen to your sunny take on what a bright & fruitful future we have to look forward too. What with managing to keep hold of Yak, Bily & the mighty Big Vic, we are truly blessed to be Evertonians in these years of benign leadership under Mr K.

Hear, hear.....three cheers to you & Amen to all you say.

"What's that, matron? Time to come off the computer...? It's ok I'll come quietly tonight, my imaginary friend Philip says it's going to be ok ... so no need for the straight jacket eh...."

Alex Buckley
28   Posted 27/06/2011 at 00:59:36

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Hey, it could be worse ? look at River Plate!
Karl Meighan
29   Posted 27/06/2011 at 08:39:42

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I, like us all, want to see new faces... but when a decent centreback who is far from top quality and has been playing at a team who have been relegated is rated at £15M and others who have produced in 10 to 15 games are being sold for £20M, where is the value? I much prefer Moyes to be as certain as he can be before going out and spending the little money we do have.

Taking a chance on players who play in obscure leagues and are names we have never heard of, who show potential, may well be the better value.

It would be very easy to waste money in today's transfer market; for instance, Man City are lucky to have a bottomless pit ? look at the list of shite that has been bought for megabucks and are no longer seen as good enough. Getting the right players is more important than getting the costliest and there is still plenty of time to do business in the transfer market. I for one am happy to wait rather than bring in players who are way over-valued.
Anthony Hughes
30   Posted 27/06/2011 at 10:36:28

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Agree with Karl, some of the figures being bandied around for players at the moment is madness. Moutinho £35 million, Hulk to City £36 million, Henderson to the shite for £20 million.
Very few players could be considered to be worth these sums, we all know who they are. The problem we've got is even mediocre players are now being priced out of our reach.
Gavin Ramejkis
31   Posted 27/06/2011 at 14:33:36

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Saha has just tweeted:
louissaha08 louis saha
One more week and we back training. Hopefully new players in nobody out. Trophy in injury out. More fans In Crisis Out. Sun In rain Out.
Even he wants new players in and no more to leave
Gavin Ramejkis
32   Posted 27/06/2011 at 15:21:11

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It's also a reminder that training starts in one week so any of this player bonding bollocks to happen means a new player has seven days to appear... 'kin no chance!
Richard Dodd
33   Posted 27/06/2011 at 17:55:18

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Just like most clubs,Everton can ill-afford to be signing big names at this stage. Nothing to do with transfer fees but the enormous wages these people command from the very day they sign.Expect a rash of late August activity throughout the game.
Look after the pennies........
Derek Thomas
34   Posted 28/06/2011 at 09:18:16

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Doddy we don't have any pennies to look after...plenty we need to look FOR...Mother Hubbards Cupboard is full compared to Us.
Daniel A Johnson
35   Posted 28/06/2011 at 12:07:13

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Neville is heir to the throne of Goodison manager hence all the nice positive soundbites.

He wants the job and will toe the line and say the right things until Moyes walks.
Tony J Williams
36   Posted 28/06/2011 at 13:23:41

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Easy solution if you don't want to get worked up by Neville's stupid sound bites.....don't read em! It works a treat, trust me
Eugene Ruane
37   Posted 29/06/2011 at 13:36:07

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Tony (36) I'm not getting 'worked up' in the least, just passing comment on the thread.

The suggestion that those against something should calm down etc, implies (nb: doesn't state, just implies!) instability.

This is imo is bogus and disingenuous.

(nb: there's a world of difference between 'fuck em' and 'FUCK THEM!!')

Also, until we read (offending) threads/articles, how can we know whether we're for or against?

That's like Kenneth Tynan being asked to review The RSC's Hamlet and saying "Nar, I saw a play once and it was shite".

Well...ok it's not REALLY like that is a BIT...type stuff.

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