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Sorry, can't help it... I just had to get it off my chest: Why am I, a football lover as long as I can remember, already pissed off with this World Cup?
Absolutely up to the eyeballs with whinging, acting ponces who cry out and feign injury at the slightest nudge. Inept officials (where did they find them?) and watching players being sent off and missing games because of rules that just do not work in the modern game. It is no fun to watch 10 players work their bollocks off against 11. "But that's a part of the game", I hear you say.... "No," I say!! "Football was meant to be played 11 against 11."
What is the most important part of a football pitch? The white line between the goal posts of course ... and in the year 2010, Fifa still do not have a system that can tell when the ball passes over it for ffs. If Fifa do not allow referees to use video after this complete balls-up, then the people who decide should take a long walk off a short pier.
Right, here are my new rules for football... ready?
1) Introduce use of video to decide crucial situations , i.e. goals, sending offs, offsides.
2) Players wrongly sent off suffer no match ban if video proves ref was wrong.
3) Introduce a third card (orange). This would mean player is sent off, but team can replace with substitute (less 10 v 11 games).
4) No double punishment in penalty situations, penalty against and red card is too harsh...
5) Shirt pulling must stop for once and all... (orange card)!!
6) Ban vuvuzellas!
Tony Cheek, Posted 01/07/2010 at 08:41:09
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James Elworthy
2 Posted 01/07/2010 at 15:18:41
2 Posted 01/07/2010 at 15:18:41
Personally I always loved the World cup but I think this World Cup did nothing to advertise football especially to those who are not passive followers or in countries were it is a minority sport.
1) Vuvuezelas
2) Lightweight football causing no excitement, shots were akin to kicking a beach ball on Southport beach
3) Play acting and diving, trying to get players booked or sent off, pulling off shirts.
4) In games of such tremendous importance not allowing technology to overrule terrible decisions, when all other sports allow it.
5) The power someone like Blatter has, exceeds that of many prime ministers
6) The fact players are so overpaid and come to play in the likes of England as pure mercenaries.
7) The Premier League is overrated is you regard the top 4 countries as Brazil, Argentina, Germany and Spain, how many of the starting 11 ie 44 players play in it,
Brazil none
Argentina Mascherano
Germany none
Spain Torres
I make that 2 out of 44, I am guessing 2 as some players come on as sub like Maxi and Fabregas.
8) The England players none of whom played for us thankfully, being no more than a bunch of overpaid pampered baby bentley arrogant people who have totally forgotten where they come from
1) Vuvuezelas
2) Lightweight football causing no excitement, shots were akin to kicking a beach ball on Southport beach
3) Play acting and diving, trying to get players booked or sent off, pulling off shirts.
4) In games of such tremendous importance not allowing technology to overrule terrible decisions, when all other sports allow it.
5) The power someone like Blatter has, exceeds that of many prime ministers
6) The fact players are so overpaid and come to play in the likes of England as pure mercenaries.
7) The Premier League is overrated is you regard the top 4 countries as Brazil, Argentina, Germany and Spain, how many of the starting 11 ie 44 players play in it,
Brazil none
Argentina Mascherano
Germany none
Spain Torres
I make that 2 out of 44, I am guessing 2 as some players come on as sub like Maxi and Fabregas.
8) The England players none of whom played for us thankfully, being no more than a bunch of overpaid pampered baby bentley arrogant people who have totally forgotten where they come from
Andy Callen
3 Posted 01/07/2010 at 15:18:19
3 Posted 01/07/2010 at 15:18:19
I?ve always been against the use of video technology. Human error has always been part of the game, and as pointed out on another thread saved us from relegation one year. I think the use of extra officials like in the Europa League needs to be researched more, this way you keep the human element of the game.
As for your other ideas Tony I think only number 2 could work, but it will never happen as football federations wont want to undermine the referees, no matter how obviously the wrong decision had been made.
Something else that has annoyed the hell out of me this World Cup is the number of players waving the imaginary card to get players book. I?m sure this was meant to be stamp out during the competition with referees told to book played for making such gestures? alas like so many unsporting acts, nothing has happened NSNO
As for your other ideas Tony I think only number 2 could work, but it will never happen as football federations wont want to undermine the referees, no matter how obviously the wrong decision had been made.
Something else that has annoyed the hell out of me this World Cup is the number of players waving the imaginary card to get players book. I?m sure this was meant to be stamp out during the competition with referees told to book played for making such gestures? alas like so many unsporting acts, nothing has happened NSNO
Ray Robinson
4 Posted 01/07/2010 at 15:35:26
4 Posted 01/07/2010 at 15:35:26
Sorry, Tony, I can't agree with No 4. Imagine a goal-bound shot is punched off the line and the penalty is missed? What is the punishment then? Unless you want to introduce the penalty goal - which I'd be in favour of - i.e. award a goal anyway.
This World Cup has seen inferior teams able to park the bus and play for a draw. I'd like to see 10-a-side football. After all, the dimensions of the pitch have not changed for 100 or so years and yet the players are about 6" taller, much more robust and athletic. Open the space up again, reduce congestion and save the clubs 10% on their wage bills.
Goal-line technology has to come surely? And placing incidents on report has to come too. There is much to learn from Rugby League.
This World Cup has seen inferior teams able to park the bus and play for a draw. I'd like to see 10-a-side football. After all, the dimensions of the pitch have not changed for 100 or so years and yet the players are about 6" taller, much more robust and athletic. Open the space up again, reduce congestion and save the clubs 10% on their wage bills.
Goal-line technology has to come surely? And placing incidents on report has to come too. There is much to learn from Rugby League.
Fergus McCarthy
5 Posted 01/07/2010 at 15:29:05
5 Posted 01/07/2010 at 15:29:05
Technology is used well in rugby. However, the game has a natural stop when there is a pile-up over the try line. On Sunday (after a slight law change) if in doubt the ref could have blown and either given a goal or my suggested slight law change, goal kick if not crossed the line. Alternately, he could allow play on and go to video official when the ball next becomes dead and if a goal is given all other action afterwards void (except foul play). Could be tricky if there is a goal at the other end!
One system, used at Wimbledon, actually has a signal to the ref when ball crosses the line. This would not help with off-side decisions, when a goal is scored, though.
Players in rugby appeal cards on video evidence, but they can also be cited for foul play not seen by ref but by other officials, especially if on video.
I would like to see any play-acting or diving severely censured by citing officers with video support. What on earth are we teaching the kids with these antics? Score would have to stand, but if a penalty is gained by a dive, 6 months suspension would stop it.
Double penalty for foul in area? Card and penalty. I don't like it. Why not just award a goal for professional foul? Do not risk a spot kick. Give a penalty for mis-timed tackle.
Vuvuselas? Only good for drinking beer through. Ooops my rugby side creeps in again.
Tony McNulty
6 Posted 01/07/2010 at 15:38:26
6 Posted 01/07/2010 at 15:38:26
For the most part, I think the rules are pretty fine as they are. Anything which delays the flow of the game too much is a pain, so your number 1) could be a problem. More than happy with number 2) since it is easy to implement.
My particular bugbear is the cheating, especially the Stevie G type swan dives which con referees.
Why not use video after the event and impose punishments ? a sliding scale of bans starting with three games for a Stevie G? If players knew that retrospective punishments, based on video evidence, were to be implemented, it would soon stop the Stevie Gs doing their swan dives during games.
My particular bugbear is the cheating, especially the Stevie G type swan dives which con referees.
Why not use video after the event and impose punishments ? a sliding scale of bans starting with three games for a Stevie G? If players knew that retrospective punishments, based on video evidence, were to be implemented, it would soon stop the Stevie Gs doing their swan dives during games.
Ray Robinson
7 Posted 01/07/2010 at 15:50:00
7 Posted 01/07/2010 at 15:50:00
Fergus, don't know whether your initial comments were in response to mine but just to clarify, I was suggesting that football can learn so much from Rugby League but I don't believe that video technology is applicable in football in all scenarios as, as you say, rugby is more stop start than football. Technically, the ball is dead in rugby every time a tackle is completed. However, I can't see any reason for not using video technology in football to determine whether a ball has crossed the goalline - provided the play is stopped within a reasonably short space of time. I don't think it would be reasonable to wait for the next time the ball goes dead as a legitimate goal could be scored at the other end during that time. Imagine a scenario in at Goodison if during a derby match Liverpool "score" off the bar but play continues to the other end and Everton score? There'd be a riot!
Tony Cheek
8 Posted 01/07/2010 at 16:14:52
8 Posted 01/07/2010 at 16:14:52
Charlie... the referee still has the power to send off, book etc, but if video proves that decision was wrong it should be able to overrule the ban ... and of course the red card is there for a reason, but so would the orange card be. Are you not fed up watching 10 v 11 games? I know I am!
The idea of awarding a goal for intentional hands on the goal line is a good one... that could work, maybe with yellow card, but not red, the rule at the moment is a game-spoiler.
Tony Cheek
9 Posted 01/07/2010 at 16:26:30
9 Posted 01/07/2010 at 16:26:30
And no Charlie, shirt pulling is not a part of the game... well, it is, but a part that should be stopped. Two years ago, we heard that refs were going to crack down hard on shirt pulling.... that has not happpened; why ? It's ugly and has to go... and has nothing to do with football... that's a joke!!
Martin Faulkner
10 Posted 01/07/2010 at 16:45:28
10 Posted 01/07/2010 at 16:45:28
While we're writing all that's bad in the game, can we please do something about the wrestling matches at corner kicks and free kicks into the box? When i played football many a moon ago you weren't allowed to obstruct another player by putting your hands out and then wrapping them around him as soon as you thought the ref wasn't looking. It's blatant obstruction and needs stamped out of the game, this would lead to more goals from set pieces. As it stands it become a joke did you see the Usa's non goal? About 2 penalties in there but as it's now happening all the time it's the accepted norm.
Brian Denton
11 Posted 01/07/2010 at 17:05:16
11 Posted 01/07/2010 at 17:05:16
A bit o/t but Michael, I posted a submission yesterday entitled "Heads Up - Landon Donovan on The Daily Show July 1st" but it never appeared. For those interested, it's on More4 at 8.30. American Blues will have seen it last night.
Mike Allison
12 Posted 01/07/2010 at 17:01:58
12 Posted 01/07/2010 at 17:01:58
I love your 'enforced substitution' rule! It used to happen in kids games, some proper Chav would do something that deserved a red card, but the ref would 'advise' the manager to substitute him.
All decisions should be overturnable (is that a word?) retrospectively. The referee does not have divine infallibility.
4 is an interesting one. If the penalty is missed, then without a red card the defender has got away with it, if it's scored then its too harsh. Two solutions: a) like in rugby, you simply award a goal anyway; b) the player faces an anxious wait, if the penalty is scored, he stays on the pitch, if it's missed, he's sent off.
All decisions should be overturnable (is that a word?) retrospectively. The referee does not have divine infallibility.
4 is an interesting one. If the penalty is missed, then without a red card the defender has got away with it, if it's scored then its too harsh. Two solutions: a) like in rugby, you simply award a goal anyway; b) the player faces an anxious wait, if the penalty is scored, he stays on the pitch, if it's missed, he's sent off.
Pat Finegan
13 Posted 01/07/2010 at 17:11:35
13 Posted 01/07/2010 at 17:11:35
The refs have been absolutely awful. The USA should have beaten Slovenia. Cahill shouldn't have gotten sent off. Lampard's goal was legit, although England would have lost anyway.
People should be talking about the players after the game, not the refs.
In regards to diving, why can't fouls be called on multiple players? When a player is fouled and he flops and fakes an injury, give his team a free kick but give him a yellow card for diving.
People should be talking about the players after the game, not the refs.
In regards to diving, why can't fouls be called on multiple players? When a player is fouled and he flops and fakes an injury, give his team a free kick but give him a yellow card for diving.
Tom Harries
14 Posted 01/07/2010 at 17:07:22
14 Posted 01/07/2010 at 17:07:22
I saw mentioned on Sky a couple of months ago that the Germans were thinking of a system where the referee asks a player 'did you dive /handball/ obstruct/ foul him?' and if the player says no, but video evidence subsequently shows he had, the player gets a ban (2 matches, I think), partly for the foul and partly for lying to the match official.
I'd agree with (2) and also goal line technology. I like the idea of a penalty goal.
The thing with the imaginary card waving is maddening, but it's so endemic any crackdown would have to come from FIFA and implemented across the planet. That would actually be the easiest thing to do as it doesn't require tech or time stoppages, so can be done at every level of the game.
I'd agree with (2) and also goal line technology. I like the idea of a penalty goal.
The thing with the imaginary card waving is maddening, but it's so endemic any crackdown would have to come from FIFA and implemented across the planet. That would actually be the easiest thing to do as it doesn't require tech or time stoppages, so can be done at every level of the game.
Peter Webster
15 Posted 01/07/2010 at 17:29:41
15 Posted 01/07/2010 at 17:29:41
Cheers for the heads up Brian.
I'd like to see retrospective red cards for spitting at cameramen. Can't believe that obnoxious twat's gotten away with such appalling behaviour.
I'd like to see retrospective red cards for spitting at cameramen. Can't believe that obnoxious twat's gotten away with such appalling behaviour.
Tony J Williams
16 Posted 01/07/2010 at 17:36:09
16 Posted 01/07/2010 at 17:36:09
No 2 already exists, doesn't it? When the shithouses at the FA actually make a decision they can overturn red cards. Unless you are Ducan Ferguson, then they double the ban.
James Flynn
17 Posted 01/07/2010 at 19:03:02
17 Posted 01/07/2010 at 19:03:02
Tony - Good stuff. So in order you listed:
1)
a. To not have video available for goal-scoring is a disgrace. The only reason for the game is to put the ball over the goal line. And the cameras are already in the frame.
How often is there a wrong call on a goal? Not many, right? It won't delay the game. And, as anyone who watches American pro sport will tell you, no fan considers the ref weaker because he's given another tool to do his job best. We're talking about the very central point of the game ffs; to score a goal. Ensuring that's called correctly should be sacrosanct.
b. On questions of a "handball" I think.
2) Agree. Ref has to call them as he sees them. However, if sending off resulted from an opponent flopping down like a gunshot victim (clearly faking), perp gets 5-match suspension. Let's bring all the diving and flopping to an end. Won't be long before managers will be furious with one of their players risking such a suspension.
3.
a. Can't say I agree. What if Manager Cheek has used his 3 subs and wants Player A in to replace Player B? We've introduced a new tactic to get subs 4 or 5 in the game. haven't thought thru this completely, but I'd have to disagree with the yellow card as is.
b. How about introducing instead a penalty like pro hockey does? Don't red card, but send off the pitch for 5 minutes; into the penalty box. His team plays short for that 5 minute period. Might introduce off-setting penalties, where teams are 10-10 for 5 minutes. Why not?
1)
a. To not have video available for goal-scoring is a disgrace. The only reason for the game is to put the ball over the goal line. And the cameras are already in the frame.
How often is there a wrong call on a goal? Not many, right? It won't delay the game. And, as anyone who watches American pro sport will tell you, no fan considers the ref weaker because he's given another tool to do his job best. We're talking about the very central point of the game ffs; to score a goal. Ensuring that's called correctly should be sacrosanct.
b. On questions of a "handball" I think.
2) Agree. Ref has to call them as he sees them. However, if sending off resulted from an opponent flopping down like a gunshot victim (clearly faking), perp gets 5-match suspension. Let's bring all the diving and flopping to an end. Won't be long before managers will be furious with one of their players risking such a suspension.
3.
a. Can't say I agree. What if Manager Cheek has used his 3 subs and wants Player A in to replace Player B? We've introduced a new tactic to get subs 4 or 5 in the game. haven't thought thru this completely, but I'd have to disagree with the yellow card as is.
b. How about introducing instead a penalty like pro hockey does? Don't red card, but send off the pitch for 5 minutes; into the penalty box. His team plays short for that 5 minute period. Might introduce off-setting penalties, where teams are 10-10 for 5 minutes. Why not?
Mike Allison
18 Posted 01/07/2010 at 20:29:14
18 Posted 01/07/2010 at 20:29:14
James your loophole for 3.a could be closed by saying if you've used your 3 subs the orange card is the same as a red. This is only then likely to happen towards the end of a game, where 11 on 10 won't spoil it and actually makes it more exciting.
The big problem with the sin bin idea in football is that the short handed team would absolutely, definitely, in (almost) all circumstances look to shut up shop, waste time and kill the game.
The big problem with the sin bin idea in football is that the short handed team would absolutely, definitely, in (almost) all circumstances look to shut up shop, waste time and kill the game.
Phil Guyers
19 Posted 01/07/2010 at 21:24:37
19 Posted 01/07/2010 at 21:24:37
I agree with the OP regarding the double punishment in penalty situations. In general, everything should be done to maintain two full teams on the field whilst punishing foul play appropriately.
There are two distinct types of 'professional' foul which,as things stand, are both punished in the same way i.e. red card and a penalty/free kick. I think the sanctions for each type should be changed as follows:-
1. Handball on the goal line prevents a certain goal. The referee should award a penalty goal, as in rugby, and give a yellow card to the offender.
2. A foul to deny a clear goalscoring opportunity should be punished with a penalty, no matter where the offence takes place and a yellow card given to the offender.
You would still get arguments over what is or isn't a professional foul because this is the opinion of the referee but at least games would not become unbalanced and the offending teams would generally suffer an appropriate punishment.
There are two distinct types of 'professional' foul which,as things stand, are both punished in the same way i.e. red card and a penalty/free kick. I think the sanctions for each type should be changed as follows:-
1. Handball on the goal line prevents a certain goal. The referee should award a penalty goal, as in rugby, and give a yellow card to the offender.
2. A foul to deny a clear goalscoring opportunity should be punished with a penalty, no matter where the offence takes place and a yellow card given to the offender.
You would still get arguments over what is or isn't a professional foul because this is the opinion of the referee but at least games would not become unbalanced and the offending teams would generally suffer an appropriate punishment.
James Flynn
20 Posted 01/07/2010 at 22:44:30
20 Posted 01/07/2010 at 22:44:30
Mike (18) - Close the loophole. I like it. As far as the sin bin. Teams 11-11 shut up shop entire games all the time. How many fellows right in here complain about DM being too defense-minded at the expense of the attack. I'd expect the instinct to be defensive would kick in. No argument there. Certainly most every manager would do it.
James Flynn
21 Posted 01/07/2010 at 22:51:29
21 Posted 01/07/2010 at 22:51:29
Phil (19) - Like you second suggestion. How about penalty awarded rule as written today remains. But adding in your "no matter where the offence takes place" idea. How about any foul denying a clear goal scoring opportunity outside the box result in the attacking team picking a spot 5 paces outside the box, at any point of their choosing around the perimeter of the box for a free kick? I like it.
Fergus McCarthy
22 Posted 01/07/2010 at 22:34:27
22 Posted 01/07/2010 at 22:34:27
Ray 7;
I think we posted at the same time and i was not responding to you. I am into Rugby Union where the video ref is only used for tries, when the ref needs to be sure. He asks a question, usually. "Is there anything preventing me awarding the try", sometimes a bit more specific, but only relates to the very last bit, near the tryline. If a flag goes up for ball in touch, the flag stays up. there have been times when ref has taken a long time to notice and the play is called back ewven if a try has been "scored".
I think we posted at the same time and i was not responding to you. I am into Rugby Union where the video ref is only used for tries, when the ref needs to be sure. He asks a question, usually. "Is there anything preventing me awarding the try", sometimes a bit more specific, but only relates to the very last bit, near the tryline. If a flag goes up for ball in touch, the flag stays up. there have been times when ref has taken a long time to notice and the play is called back ewven if a try has been "scored".
I did remark that there would be bother if the game played on and a goal at the other end ensued, but was cancelled out, so it would be best if he whistled and checked. Goal, or goal kick as a result.
"Penalty Goal" seems popular on this forum, and someone suggested a penalty be awarded for a run on goal outside the penalty area. Common sense really, but a judgement call.
I haven't seen a comment about citing for "ungentlemanly conduct". The diving and play acting has affected my interest in football. It would be a far better game without it.
Someone mentioned making team 10 per side. I agree with this one. World Cup in USA because of referee directives, had players sent off all over the place. The best games were when it went to 10 a side. A bit more time on the ball and a bit more space in defence. Could even consider 9 per side. 127 years of same size pitch, goals area, but faster ball and bigger, faster, stronger athletes since then.
Players can cover much more of the pitch, so unlikely pitch will get bigger so reduce the players and allow a bit more time for skills. Other sports including rugby, both codes, have tweaked the laws over the years. Not always good, but they keep trying, and they are not too proud to switch things back again. Why not football? 2010 has been the most boring World Cup, although Brazil are always a joy to watch.
Steve Pugh
23 Posted 01/07/2010 at 23:02:27
23 Posted 01/07/2010 at 23:02:27
As things stand, if a player goes down injured they have to leave the field for treatment. This normally results in them instantly running back to the half way line and coming straight back on. I have an idea that could punish the cheating team , and hopefully benefit the team that is being cheated.
Any player who goes down claiming to have been injured has to leave the pitch and stay off the pitch for a set period of time, say 10 minutes, in order to be properly assessed by a Doctor. Thus any player faking an injury will be depriving their teammates of a player, and giving an advantage to the opposition. In the case of the RS they will probably play most of the game with 8 players.
As far as the sin bin idea goes I totally agree with it. How many times do you see a team shut up shop and then when they need to attack again they struggle to regain their rhythm. Thus passing a definite advantage to the other side.
I think what needs to be remembered with any rules like this is that they would largely be implemented to change player behaviour on the pitch rather than as a long term punishment. If a player knows he will be sin binned for shirt pulling at a corner, then he won't do it. Within a season the problem would probably disappear.
Any player who goes down claiming to have been injured has to leave the pitch and stay off the pitch for a set period of time, say 10 minutes, in order to be properly assessed by a Doctor. Thus any player faking an injury will be depriving their teammates of a player, and giving an advantage to the opposition. In the case of the RS they will probably play most of the game with 8 players.
As far as the sin bin idea goes I totally agree with it. How many times do you see a team shut up shop and then when they need to attack again they struggle to regain their rhythm. Thus passing a definite advantage to the other side.
I think what needs to be remembered with any rules like this is that they would largely be implemented to change player behaviour on the pitch rather than as a long term punishment. If a player knows he will be sin binned for shirt pulling at a corner, then he won't do it. Within a season the problem would probably disappear.
Eric Myles
24 Posted 02/07/2010 at 01:58:41
24 Posted 02/07/2010 at 01:58:41
James #2,
Jo and Elano are Brazilian aren't they? and Robinho?
Ballack German? and technically Hargreaves!
Reina of Spain, and Fabregas?
Just off the top of my head, without having to look up any teams.
Jo and Elano are Brazilian aren't they? and Robinho?
Ballack German? and technically Hargreaves!
Reina of Spain, and Fabregas?
Just off the top of my head, without having to look up any teams.
Eric Myles
25 Posted 02/07/2010 at 05:22:14
25 Posted 02/07/2010 at 05:22:14
oops, forgot Tevez
Tony Cheek
26 Posted 02/07/2010 at 07:17:32
26 Posted 02/07/2010 at 07:17:32
Looks like the "double punishment " rule was the one that
got most reaction. Penalty goal plus yellow card seems to me to be a fair ruling here
As for the suggestion about if the penalty is missed the player is sent off , could you imagine our boys getting a penalty in the 5th minute against the RS and Gerrard is the offender...DM shouts from the bench "over the bar Mikel"....brill!
Still think the orange card is a must though .
Now , how do we get Blatters attention?
got most reaction. Penalty goal plus yellow card seems to me to be a fair ruling here
As for the suggestion about if the penalty is missed the player is sent off , could you imagine our boys getting a penalty in the 5th minute against the RS and Gerrard is the offender...DM shouts from the bench "over the bar Mikel"....brill!
Still think the orange card is a must though .
Now , how do we get Blatters attention?
Dick Fearon
27 Posted 02/07/2010 at 09:50:27
27 Posted 02/07/2010 at 09:50:27
1st..The 4th official should play a more active role by being the official time keeper
This would remove a small part of the refs load.
2nd..In heading duels a free kick should be awarded against any player whose arms are above chest height. This would be very easy to police. To claim that raised arms are needed for elevation is a cop out.
3rd. An extra assistant on each touchline. This would allow the ref to patrol up and down the middle of the pitch.
4th. when play is stopped for a head injury the 'injured' player must be off the field for at least 5 minutes.
5th. Refs to have the option of using a sin bin.
This would remove a small part of the refs load.
2nd..In heading duels a free kick should be awarded against any player whose arms are above chest height. This would be very easy to police. To claim that raised arms are needed for elevation is a cop out.
3rd. An extra assistant on each touchline. This would allow the ref to patrol up and down the middle of the pitch.
4th. when play is stopped for a head injury the 'injured' player must be off the field for at least 5 minutes.
5th. Refs to have the option of using a sin bin.
Robert Lam
28 Posted 02/07/2010 at 11:21:55
28 Posted 02/07/2010 at 11:21:55
I don't usually comment here. But people mentioned different kinds of cheating on the field, and the punishment it deserved.
To me the most annoying cheater is Neuer who gave this account of his actions after the England ? Germany match: "I tried not to react to the referee and just concentrate on what was happening. I realised it was over the line and I think the way I carried on so quickly fooled the referee into thinking it was not over." To put it bluntly: Neuer cheated, and then boasted about it. He deserved at least a one year ban!!
To me the most annoying cheater is Neuer who gave this account of his actions after the England ? Germany match: "I tried not to react to the referee and just concentrate on what was happening. I realised it was over the line and I think the way I carried on so quickly fooled the referee into thinking it was not over." To put it bluntly: Neuer cheated, and then boasted about it. He deserved at least a one year ban!!
Mike Allison
29 Posted 02/07/2010 at 11:53:10
29 Posted 02/07/2010 at 11:53:10
Tony I was waiting for someone to say that, but why not? Brings an extra element of tactics to it.
Remember the Arsenal Champions League final? Lehman got sent off but the ref should have just played the advantage as Barcelona scored in the move.
Remember the Arsenal Champions League final? Lehman got sent off but the ref should have just played the advantage as Barcelona scored in the move.
Richard Porter
30 Posted 02/07/2010 at 12:44:59
30 Posted 02/07/2010 at 12:44:59
Robert (28): how many times have you seen players (including England players and Everton players) appeal for a corner or throw-in when they know the ball touched them last? Or claim not to have fouled someone, when they know they have, or not admit to a handball. If you don't expect a player to admit a handball or a foul, don't expect them to admit that the ball has crossed the line. And if you are opposed to all kinds of cheating, then why single out Neuer?
Robert Lam
31 Posted 02/07/2010 at 15:21:13
31 Posted 02/07/2010 at 15:21:13
Richard(30) maybe you don;t get it. He cheated and boasted. He is reinforcing the only ethical rule: "Win at all costs" He may do the right thing and stand up for what is right. Definitely he will win more fans.
Richard Porter
32 Posted 02/07/2010 at 17:49:19
32 Posted 02/07/2010 at 17:49:19
Robert, I do get it. He cheated and/or lied. But almost ALL footballers cheat and/or lie. Do you object to players denying handling the ball when they blatantly have, or denying committing a foul, or pretending not to have got the last touch before the ball's gone out? If you accept ANY of them, then it's hypocritical to say ah, some cheating and lying is OK, but not telling people when you know the ball has crossed the line isn't. Cheating and lying is either acceptable, or isn't. If we banned anyone who ever lied to, or withheld information from, the officials, there would hardly be any top level footballers available.
Ray Robinson
33 Posted 02/07/2010 at 22:40:18
33 Posted 02/07/2010 at 22:40:18
Ghana just deprived of SF place by blatant cheating. If ever there was a case for the penalty goal, it was tonight. Cheating DOES pay, it seems. Will FIFA do anything about it?
Brendan O'Doherty
34 Posted 02/07/2010 at 22:57:50
34 Posted 02/07/2010 at 22:57:50
I can't believe I've just read this thread just as team have been knocked out of the WC by missing a penalty after a goal line clearance. If ever there was a case for a penalty-goal that was it. I don't think you can call it cheating though. Cheating is when you try to deceive the referee. This was rule-breaking which everyone could see, and the culprit knew he would be sent off and a penalty awarded against his team; it was not a pre-meditated offence.That's not to say a penalty-goal would be a fairer outcome though, which would discourage it happening in the future.
Tony Cheek
35 Posted 03/07/2010 at 09:27:43
35 Posted 03/07/2010 at 09:27:43
Yes, Brendan, a classic example of what we are discussing here. Ghana should be through to the semis and Uruguay on a plane home. Uruguay go through and the only punishment is losing Suarez in the next game... football must be the only sport left in which it is in fact beneficial to cheat (or break the rules) ... Why dont the dickheads at Fifa do something about it?
Derek Thomas
36 Posted 06/07/2010 at 21:43:15
36 Posted 06/07/2010 at 21:43:15
FIFA can change the rules, They did after the 1966 Portugal Vs Korea game when the Portugese goalie was time wasting by sticking to the letter of the law, eg the Keeper can move around the box holding the ball as long as he bounces it every 3(?) steps.
Then the was the backpass rule (How many titles have you won since that then RS?).
I like the ides of:
Goalline cameras, I mean the refs already have the headset ear piece thingy on, JUST WHAT THE FUCK IS IT ACTUALLY FOR?
The penalty goal and yellow card for handball on the line.
The sin bin.
I don't like: The orange card thing, too open to abuse.
Reducing the numbers.
What about... No offside, this would open up the play... Oh yes it would, coaches would not let the goalhanger(s) be unmarked and this would uncompress the midfield,
Two birds, one stone.
Then the was the backpass rule (How many titles have you won since that then RS?).
I like the ides of:
Goalline cameras, I mean the refs already have the headset ear piece thingy on, JUST WHAT THE FUCK IS IT ACTUALLY FOR?
The penalty goal and yellow card for handball on the line.
The sin bin.
I don't like: The orange card thing, too open to abuse.
Reducing the numbers.
What about... No offside, this would open up the play... Oh yes it would, coaches would not let the goalhanger(s) be unmarked and this would uncompress the midfield,
Two birds, one stone.
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1 Posted 01/07/2010 at 15:03:35
The orange card is a 'hack card' by the looks of things. A RED card is there for a reason. An orange card will never happen, you get a player sent off for a reason, if your saying use video then there would be less sendings off anyway.
4) is correct in my eyes.
5) ban shirt pulling............you may as well watch basketball instead. Hope thats a joke, shirt pulling is part of the game, running with moving your arms is natural, jumping with raised arms is natural.
Out of all your points, only number 4 'could' happen. 1 is unlikely. the rest defo wont happen.
Blatter doesnt want technology, must be a reason for this thats more to it than we realise.