Reap What You Sow

By Rob   Riddal  ::  01/07/2011   39 Comments (»Last) Park End Redevelopment Root Of Today's Ills?

It goes without saying that a huge source of annoyance for Evertonians is the financial restraints and parameters that manager David Moyes is forced to work within.

Many supporters find it difficult to understand how a club the size of Everton, who have been dining at the top table of English football for all but 4 seasons since the inception of the professional game, are perennially penurious; ever-present in the Premier League and achieving regular 35,000 average attendances season-in, season-out, why don't the Club have any spare cash?

The answer is fairly straightforward: Everton's expenditure more-or-less equals their income. The ~£80M annual turnover is spent on running the business.

To understand why there is no spare cash, however, you have to look a little further back in time. It's difficult to pin-point a specific moment or decision made in Everton's history which the problems Everton face today can be attributed to, however the most recent was the reconstruction of the Park End in 1994.

The below article appeared in an Everton matchday programme shortly prior to the redevelopment; it's a fairly uncomfortable read for any Everton fan, as the antipathy and contempt with which the Board of Directors held the supporters (and arguably continue to do so), and the depressing and downright disgraceful lack of foresight and ambition, bursts through every word spoken from Jim Greenwood.

It horrifically underlines the complacency with which the Everton Board ? comprised of Keith Tamlin, Philip Carter, David Newton, and Bill Kenwright with Dr David M. Marsh as Chairman ? operated. The spectacular dereliction of duty in constructing a one-tier Park End stand with no provision for executive/corporate facilities, at a time when the sport was experiencing a huge boom which has continued unabated to this day, must surely rank as one of the biggest errors of judgement in the club's history. Think where the Club would be today had the 'decision-makers' at Everton had a little foresight ? the corporate facilities sandwiched between the upper and lower tier of the Park Stand would have paid for themselves many, many times over, and could have been the catalyst for redeveloping the rest of our grand old stadium.

Of course, this is crying over spilt milk, and many older supporters would argue that the redevelopment of the Main Stand in the early 1970s was equally as culpable for the restrictions we are forced to work within today; however, it's important to understand why Everton have been held back and to understand that, for all the problems the Heysel disaster caused Everton, the fundamental reason Everton fell behind and continue to play catch-up is as a consequence of decisions our own Board of Directors made. It is also important to understand that we as supporters have a role to play in applying pressure to those privileged enough to make the decisions on the future direction of the Club. After all, you reap what you sow.

The below article appeared in the Everton matchday programme on 4 December 1993.

A SEVEN-YEAR development scheme, transforming Goodison Park into an all-seated stadium with a capacity of over 40,000 will be completed on schedule during 1994.

The long term programme, mainly to replace the old terraced areas, began in 1987 with the construction of the Family Enclosure and will reach its conclusion next year with the building of a new stand at the Park End.

As work is set to start in February, we are aware that supporters would like to know more about the latest project.

What will the stand look like? How will it blend in with the rest of the ground? And so on...

Most of the pertinent points are raised in a letter recently received from a season-ticket holder, Mr P. Smith of Woolton Road, Childwall. He opened by seeking confirmation that the new stand will main the club tradition of "Nothing But The Best"...

"I've seen very little about the scheme in the local papers, other than that it will be a 6,000 seat, single-tier cantilever stand. My recollection is that about April 1991 Everton announced that they intended to redevelop the Park End at a cost of about £5M, by constructing a two-tier cantilever stand that would incorporate executive boxes and which would link the Bullens Road, forming a continuous roof and thereby making the ground more of a uniformed stadium.

The stand that is now to be constructed sounds rather different. No mention of two tiers, no mention of executive boxes and costing only half as much as originally announced ? about £2.5M"

IT IS TRUE that the original concept has been amended, primarily for technical reasons, but there has been no downgrading whatsoever in terms of spectator facilities.

Chief Executive Jim Greenwood explains: "It will be a single storey stand because of problems on the depth of the development site, which has to be within certain limits.

There will be 6,000 plus seats giving a total capacity in excess of 40,000.

When all Premier League developments are completed there will only be 2 or 3 grounds which are able to match that capacity."

That is the broad aspect of the subject. For greater detail, we return to Mr. Smith's letter. He asks a number of questions, which are set out below, along with Mr. Greenwood's replies...

Q. Why have Everton opted for an apparently more modest scheme?
A. The figures quoted 2.5 years ago were estimated costs and not based on any detailed plans and there has been no compromise in the level of comfort to be provided for our supporters. The switch to a single tier will ensure an improved view due to the steeper rake in the seating this allows, coupled with additional leg room.

Q. What ways of financing redevelopment have been looked at? The Football Grounds Improvement Trust is providing £1.3M of the £2.5M cost. How will the remaining £1.2M be provided?
A. Out of club funds. Like all other clubs engaged in ground improvements, we have to raise the money from our own resources.

Q. What will the new stand actually look like?
A. Planning permission has been granted and we are going over the last details at the moment. As soon as this task is completed, we will publish the necessary illustration.

Q. Will it still link with the Bullens Road, with a continuous roof?
A. At roof level, yes ? but not at tier level. This is for a number of reasons, other than the actual design of the new stand. It is well documented that to maintain a good playing surface ? and ours is second-to-none ? it is desirable to have circulation of air. Look at Ibrox Stadium, for example. Rangers deliberately left the corners open to create wind tunnels. Another factor is that we want vehicle access in that corner of the stadium. This will be helpful at times when we need to undertake any major work on the pitch. Also, if we should ever want to bring in a giant video screen, as we did a few years ago, we would not have to hire a crane at £25,000 a day, to lift the equipment over the stand.

Q. What will happen to the existing scoreboard?
A. It will be re-sited under the roof of the new stand which will also incorporate an additional TV gantry.

Q. Will the new stand be exclusively for the use of Everton supporters?
A. For the majority of matches, yes. There will be only a few occasions each season when we may have to accommodate some visiting supporters in the Park End. The design of the stand is such that there will be no problems in terms of segregation.

Q. Where will the away fans be accommodated?
A new seating enclosure for visiting fans is to be constructed at the corner of Bullens Road, on all three levels.

Q. What will the new stand be called?
A. No decision as yet.

WE TRUST that supporters will find the above section to be helpful and informative. But there is more from Mr. Smith. He continued: "The club has also been quoted as indicating that it regards the construction of the new Park End Stand as completing the redevelopment of the stadium. But surely it should also be looking at..."

Again, he has a list of points which are answered by Mr. Greenwood.

ONE: Replacing the remaining wooden seats with new plastic seats, which are much more comfortable and give the ground a brighter, more modern appearance.
A. This will happen by natural progression. Plans are already in hand for the development of the Top Balcony with executive seating and dining facilities and this could include the provision of additional executive boxes as and when required.

TWO: Improving the catering facilities within existing stands. Existing provision is very basic.
A. A great deal of money has been spent in recent years, but, of course, we are always looking at ways to improve such facilities. All clubs come up against the problem of high expenditure on equipment which at best is used for an hour per game. Remember, that amounts to only 25 hours per year.

THREE: Improving the public address system. The existing system is still basic and often difficult to hear.
A. Again, we have made considerable improvements over the years. One of the difficulties is that you can have two people sitting together; one will complain the sound is too loud, the other may say it's not loud enough.

FOUR: In the longer term, reducing the number of posts and therefore obstructed view seats in certain parts of the stadium.
A. Such seats are part of the construction of the stadium, and other than building more new stands, we can't alter that. Any obstructed view seat is clearly sold as such.

FINALLY, Mr Smith takes us on to a subject which concerns this obviously proud Evertonian.

He writes: "Other clubs seem to have managed to raise considerable amounts of money, and to have undertaken much more ambitious redevelopments, e.g. Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Aston Villa, Newcastle, Wolves, Millwall, Manchester City, Blackburn and Leeds. All have built major stands, or virtually completely reconstructed their stadia in the years since the Hillsbrough disaster.

"Obviously, Blackburn Rovers and Wolves have benefited from having very wealthy benefactors. But the rest have had to generate the money themselves. Even comparatively modest clubs, such as Nottingham Forest and Leicester City, have recently built major stands.

"Compared with their efforts, Everton's own proposed redevelopment appears very modest. At the time of the original announcement regarding the Park End, I think that the club assumed, rather complacently, that only Goodison Park and Old Trafford would reach a 40,000 seat capacity. Other clubs have, however, shown far more ambition than anticipated."

Lack of ambition? Surely the reverse is the case. As Mr. Greenwood says: "If there has been less major reconstruction here, it is only because we have been ahead of the field.

"Goodison Park was close to being an all-seated stadium well before legislation was brought in. Many of the other clubs mentioned have, to this day, continued with large teracced areas which have to be replaced whatever the cost."

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John Daley
1 Posted 01/07/2011 at 14:51:21
"Lack of ambition? Surely the reverse is the case. As Mr. Greenwood says: "If there has been less major reconstruction here, it is only because we have been ahead of the field."

Fuck me. Ahead of the field? So much for foresight. We're now lagging right at the back, crawling along the ground with crippling cramp, groaning and gasping for breath like Darth Vader going down on Dawn French.
Phil Martin
2 Posted 01/07/2011 at 16:05:41
Excellent post Rob. The level of apathy amongst our board has only continued accelerate.

The modern day club motto should be:

"Why fucking bother, the board don't?"
David S Shaw
3 Posted 01/07/2011 at 16:53:15
The lack of vision in the construction of the Park End is the biggest cock-up in Everton's history.
Chris O'Brien
4 Posted 01/07/2011 at 17:02:58
Great article, Rob. This board should be investigated for fraud.
Ged Simpson
5 Posted 01/07/2011 at 19:07:21
An interesting bit of history but what is the point?
Chris Bannantyne
6 Posted 01/07/2011 at 18:55:07
Yeah, 'tis a shame they took the easy option. I understand not wanting to blow the budget and whatnot, but a bit of foresight back when we could afford to "over-do" something would have saved us a lot of pain in the long run, not to mention generate funds.

If we could generate a few more million a year now, that could potentially be another player or so a season, or the ability to keep hold of better players ? thus (potentially) silverware and/or European competition of some sort.

Obviously not necessarily, but it would be hard to argue that we would be WORSE off.

We have certainly suffered (and I believe continue to suffer) from mismanagement at times over the years. Would be nice to have a competent board for a while... Ah, to dream.
Chris Matheson
7 Posted 01/07/2011 at 19:45:09
Rob well done and thank you. We have really been well served by our board members over the years, haven't we?

I seem to recall hearing a suggestion, years ago, that there were indeed technical reasons why the Park End was only single tier: either they had cut costs on the steelwork so could only get one tier, or the foundations were not deep enough. Something like this is alluded to where he says "It will be a single storey stand because of problems on the depth of the development site." Fine, but why not say what those problems are, why the secrecy?

As an additional point, I remember being introduced to another board member from about that time, "Sir" Desmond Pitcher. It was at a reception for North West Water or United Utilities of which he was chairman. It was 1995, not long after the cup final... My boss, who knew him, brought me over and said "Desmond, this is Chris. He's an Evertonian too".

"Oh," says Desmond, "I've been meeting a lot of people recently who say they're Evertonians, since we've had a bit of success." And he walks off.
Anthony Jones
8 Posted 01/07/2011 at 20:09:26
All is well!!

They have come up with a new pricing structure for matches.

Games against the top 6 cost more than "standard".

All the rest are "standard".

But...here's the master stroke...

Stoke and Blackburn games have a fiver off!

We'll be back in the big time in no time!
Jay Harris
9 Posted 01/07/2011 at 21:30:00
I suppose we should give them credit for the only expenditure on the ground in the last 25 years.

A bit like the playing squad. see what is the minimum you can spend and then divide it in half.

The board couldn't even fill the back of a matchbox with any positive ideas.
Derek Thomas
10 Posted 02/07/2011 at 04:00:45
Short term gain long term pain, maybe THIS should be our motto.

12 or is it 14 mortgages, a mortgage to pay the last mortgage, the out sourcing, Bellefield, NTL, Fortress, KD, DK, .... SOS.

Technical difficulties... aka cost too much, the mind boggles.
Francis Wycherley
11 Posted 02/07/2011 at 14:07:10
At least they sorted the PA system.
Joe Rourke
12 Posted 03/07/2011 at 11:29:53
#5 Ged ? bang on!

Where's your economics here, Riddal? I mean numbers? Is this 'field of dreams' economics where you build it and they will come? Put in some corporate boxes or premium facilities and the corporate types, like a bunch of zombies crazed with the scent of live flesh in the air, will descend in their masses for prawn sandwiches and to watch misplaced hoofballs by Tony Hibbert?

Are you an expert in stadium design and the provision of corporate facilities like Populous (HOK Sport )? Or provision of such services? Or just quantity surveying/ economics? Where are your assertions coming from?

More to the point, what are they? How many extra seats or how much extra revenue could have been provided other than what was? What would the cost of this have been in terms of loans?

Joe Rourke
13 Posted 03/07/2011 at 11:51:18
A small apology there - Rob I meant to call you by your first name at the start of the prior piece!
Robbie Riddal
14 Posted 04/07/2011 at 11:11:42
It's pretty obvious that Everton have been trying to find new ways of expanding their corporate operation; the tent in the car park, removal of season ticket holders in the Main Stand, new stadium, the mysterious new build at the Park End. All projects undertaken to try and capitalise on the demand for these kind of facilities within the Premier League.

There can be little doubt that Everton would be in a better financial position had the Board shown a little more foresight and ambition when redeveloping the Park End in 1994.
Tom Hughes
15 Posted 04/07/2011 at 12:34:07
Successive EFC boards over the past 50s-80s had the luxury of inheriting the finest stadium in Britain. So much so, that when the Taylor report's stipulations first came about, Goodison Park required easily the least work of ALL major stadia to become fully compliant. Let's face it... seating a few old terraces and building one small basic stand was a tiny workscope compared to most other clubs.

To be honest, the initial estimate for required capacity of 40k seats was probably inkeeping with the thinking of the era, but the aging content of our older stands should've prompted a greater capacity at the Park End than what we eventually got.... if only to stockpile capacity to accomodate capacity-loss during future developments. The depth of stand point was never really an issue at this end, as the club owned the few properties that would've been affected... also, double-deckers give greater capacity for a given footprint in anycase, and if the club where limited by footprint then multi-tier format should have been the only way forward in anycase. Unfotunately, The cheapest possible construction and subsequent stadium policy all points to the club either being very poorly advised, total lacking in ambition, or harbouring thoughts of "moving" for a very long time.

One outcome though has been a growing interest, and indeed reverence for what's become known as the "Grand-old Lady" of Football. Something that was always special has become almost unique, and is commented on almost continually these days. Capacity can be added, quality can be improved almost throughout. Perhaps the inactivity of the past generation can lead to the creation of something that no-one else has. Tradition and modernity combined?
Andy Crooks
16 Posted 04/07/2011 at 18:53:22
A little bit off subject but is there any news of the lads who were organising a fans trust? Or is it dead in the water?
Joe Rourke
17 Posted 05/07/2011 at 11:39:19
The Board would have needed psychic powers in 1994 to foresee what has happened over the last 15 years I think. Tom Hughes points out that the board probably thought moving would be the solution and if so a totally new stadium design free from constraints of footprint would have permitted solutions to all these problems.

The provision of premium/corporate levels is a distinct design issue for stadiums in itself ? Tom Hughes, you know what I mean ? the section plan of the stand has to change to incorporate this properly and it's only economic if centralised kitchens etc can be provided off an oval or horseshoe overall stadium plan. Premium level corporate boxes would be reasonably expected to have a bloody good view too. I can't see how this can be done at Goodison without a lot of demolition and rebuilding to a different height.

Tom also take a look at Sunderland, Newcastle or even Man Shitteh's revenues from larger newer stadiums ? they are not significantly better than Everton's.
Joe Rourke
18 Posted 05/07/2011 at 12:09:58
Speaking as a design professional, ideally one tries to respond with a suitable design to a given set of problems. When I hear talk that increased corporate facilities or a whole new stadium will solve Everton's problems, I usually wonder why people think Everton have problems and what has led them to the conclusion that corporate boxes and or a cheap generic stadium of 50,000 or so capacity are the answer?

These are very costly solutions if implimented, which would have a huge impact on Everton's ability to field decent teams ? surely the real point of Everton's existence ? and I'm not sure what it is they would 'solve' .
Robbie Riddal
19 Posted 05/07/2011 at 13:24:18
Joe, I take issue with the assertion that the "Everton board would have needed psychic powers in 1994 to forsee what has happened over the last 15 years".

You only have to read the above article which appeared in the matchday programme, to see, clear as day, that the Everton board had little regard for the future direction of the Club. It is an insult to the intelligence of good Evertonians to even suggest there was anything other than complacency and even contempt in the mindset of the Everton directors. Their opinion was clear: build a new stand as cheaply as possible to meet the demands of the Taylor Report, which was treated as a burden, rather than as an opportunity, as so many other clubs treated it. It's no coincidence that it's Everton who have been left behind in the stadium stakes.
Tom Hughes
20 Posted 05/07/2011 at 14:54:40
Joe, Sunderland were planning their stadium at the same time as we got the Park End...... they had ambition, and they followed up on it. If Everton had adopted a similar stance they could've easily have planned sufficient expansion to accommodate all such facilities at Goodison. For instance..... an exec box level can readily be fitted beneath the Top Balcony and/or above and behind the Upper Bullens. The Park End was a blank canvas that could accommodate ANY size stand.
James Martin
21 Posted 05/07/2011 at 23:12:36
Haven't Sunderland been relegated loads whilst we've been playing in Europe?
Tom Hughes
22 Posted 06/07/2011 at 09:07:49
I was merely responding to the previous reference to Sunderland and when they addressed their stadium issues, and the foresight and ambitionm this represented. The fact that they managed to achieve this at relatively low cost has probably had no small effect on their greatly improved league placings and attendances since. Yes, they have been relegated, but I don't think anyone would argue that they aren't a much stronger club now. We perhaps also need to separate the achievements of our manager and the board. If he was to leave tomorrow he could at least say he built a good squad from next tonothing. What have the board built in the same time and 10yrs before?
Joe Rourke
23 Posted 06/07/2011 at 09:28:42
Robbie

If you feel insulted you have a sanction - you can stop being an Evertonian and stop paying money to support a club which isn't owned by you and you have precious little or no say in.

My comments on the change that has taken place in top tier football in England and especially its regarding its place in world club football are valid - it has changed far beyond reconigition and to have predicted all that has happened and steered Everton to a better place than they are at now would have required pyschic powers (or time travel ).

If you want to see what happens when you gamble wildly with a clubs future take a look at Leeds Utd or Pompey.

Finally if Evertons average attendence is 35000 and the ground holds 40000 whats the need for say 45000+ seats?
Joe Rourke
24 Posted 06/07/2011 at 09:43:27
Tom

Sunderland didn't have vision they were having to move because after the Taylor report emerged Roker Park had too high a percentage of terraces and they basically had to rebuild elsewhere to keep a reasonable gate up. Therefore they went to an more unrestricted site down the road. It was available and cheap.They build a simple expandable stadium design much the same as Old Trafford.The best name they could come up with was a knock off of Benfica's stadiums name! what was 'visionary' about that?

Since 1994 Sunderland have been relagated 3 times including two then record low points for a top tier finish.They have spent half the intervening time in the 2nd tier of English football. Their highest finishes in 17 seasons were a pair of 7th placed finishes at the turn of the millenium. They finished 10th last season their highest in recent seasons. All other finishes were far closer to elegation places than even UEFA/Europa cup places.

Their matchday income from published figures is not substantially different to Evertons despite the bigger capacity. More tickets means less pressure on tickets and lower prices - its an economic principle its called price equillibrium and its chapter one of most economics courses.
Tom Hughes
25 Posted 06/07/2011 at 10:52:52
Joe,
How were Sunderland doing pre-SOL, when they were also more often in the lower tier during the previous 30yrs? Fact is, they have addressed ALL of their stadium issues, and increased their attendances dramatically when previously they often didn't fill the much smaller Roker. They no longer have this cost overhanging them and they did it at a snip. They may have indeed overstepped their estimates in terms of supply and demand affecting tkt prices etc, and the likes of Juve are currently embarking on the opposite policy..... (who's to say who is right in the long run, I think LFC are currently regretting going small don't you?) but as I said before, no one could argue that Sunderland aren't a bigger and stronger club now than pre-97, or if they had just opted for a 30k capacity which would've satisfied demand for nearly all seasons going back to the early 60's. Meanwhile, our answer has been to do/achieve practically nothing to address our outstanding stadium issues to maximise revenues by improving facilities etc. Would the current GP be big enough for a truly successful EFC? Average attendances suggest not!
Joe Rourke
26 Posted 06/07/2011 at 13:10:58
Tom

Re: Sunderland, your quote from above:

"The fact that they managed to achieve this at relatively low cost has probably had no small effect on their greatly improved league placings and attendances since." ? ie, you lied to support your own bullshit point.

The fact that you can't admit that shows you are not intent on a real discussion, just on pushing your agenda, whatever it is. You are making up a false history.

Sunderland are shit; they just signed John O'Shea ? the biggest brainless utility tool in the league. Sunderland were rescued by the Dromaville consortium who bought out the club for more than it was worth while it was down in the Championship. They have cut their losses and got out which is lucky for Sunderland because it could have been drawn into the Irish economic debacle à la West Ham and Iceland...

From David Conn's article (in The Guardian) last May: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/19/premier-league-finances-black-hole
Sunderland - State they're in;
Difficult not to wonder whether this is how US private equity investor Ellis Short imagined owning a Premier League club would be, when chairman Niall Quinn met him at the US Masters golf and sold him the idea of Sunderland. The £47m Short paid lastyear to bankroll a high wage bill and £28m losses followed £67.5m paid in and converted into shares the previous year, when Sunderland needed to be bailed out of probable financial crisis.
Outlook
Even with Short?s financial support, losses do not look sustainable. Sunderland have to wrestle the wage bill down, while remaining competitive.
Short has put £115 million into Sunderland! The board's 'visionary' behaviour is not to blame. Betcha it ends in tears.

Sunderland's matchday income for 2009-10: £13 MIllion... Everton's: £19 Million.

In summary: new stadium + bigger capacity does not equal more revenue!
Joe Rourke
27 Posted 06/07/2011 at 13:43:52
David Conn ? His article (quoted above) is an excellent, balanced, very well informed and fully supported piece; it's an excellent read for football fans of any hue.

It has a comparative spreadsheet-style presentation which really lays things out for what they are in the Premier League. I recommend it to everyone.
Tom Hughes
28 Posted 06/07/2011 at 14:11:47
Joe,
I responded directly to your assertion that you thought EFC could be excused for their lack of vision by using your own example of Sunderland (there are many more besides who have all demonstrated greater awareness and ambition than we have).

I repeat... no-one could argue that they are not a bigger and stronger club now than pre-SOL. They are just unfortunate not to have a Moyes or perhaps big enough fanbase to match that initial ambition. We appear to be quite the opposite. No bullshit nor agendas required.

Joe Rourke
29 Posted 06/07/2011 at 15:36:57
Bullshit. You responded inaccurately with lies.

Who are these imaginary clubs which showed better awareness? Back up your point.

You cited Sunderland as visionary. You said they have had better league placings than they had. The league tables don't lie. They are no way visionary as I easily showed and were lucky to be bailed out by Short. You argued for them; I argued against. I seem to know what I'm talking about while you lie.

You argue that vision and awareness = new stadiums = more money = better football teams = more success and that lots of other clubs have been doing this over the last 15 years. Who the fuck are they?

Back it up or shut up please!
Joe Rourke
30 Posted 06/07/2011 at 15:54:26
Opening assertion: Park End Redevelopment Root Of Today's Ills?

No.

1) It's simple firstly there is not many ills. Everton are doing pretty well.They have been punching above their weight for 8 or so years on the run.

2) The non-development of one set of corporate boxes in the wrong end of the ground didn't make a significant difference to revenues over the last 15 years.

3) Revenues aren't everything ? you have to spend it correctly. Marginal increases aren't worth debating.

Tom Hughes
31 Posted 06/07/2011 at 15:56:03
You mentioned Sunderland first. They went from a small antiquated stadium to one with 42k then 48k unobstructed seats and they did it for a few tens of millions... You're just a bit miffed that you didn't realise that they were planning for this at the same time you stated it was not possible to envisage such a project.

Our lot spent the bare minimum and have achieved what....? 3 failed ground moves. One practical freeby thrown away...

As far as other clubs are concerned, I think you would be hard-pressed to find many clubs that have done less than us in this respect. Where do you want me to start? BTW, at no point have I equated anything to automatic success ? that is your own fabrication.

Tom Hughes
32 Posted 06/07/2011 at 20:23:48
Joe,

I've been otherwise engaged for most of the day, so I could only cast a cursory glance at your rants on here, and missed most of them.

Firstly I'd like to say I don't appreciate your aggressive attitude nor personal attacks with repeated and totally unfounded accusation of lies..... What lies?

The club themselves have stated repeatedly on many occasions that Goodison Park has greatly limited the club's revenue streams.... hence the 3 (yes 3) failed attempts to address this issue with "move" proposals. At few if any point over the past 20 yrs or so have they adequately demonstrated, nevermind executed a strategy to address these real issues. This process can be traced back to and include the Park End stand. That doesn't necessarily mean it was a definitive starting point as such, just one of a long series of demonstrations of either the poor decision-making or lack of ambition (or both) that have characterised the club's efforts in this area since. Then there was the howler of a missed opportunity at the Kings Dock, that was allowed to slip away with no valid excuse given to this day... not to mention the Destination Kirkby debacle. Your "lie-detector" must have been broken throughout these episodes.

It would appear from your last posting that in your opinion all is rosey in the Everton garden. Everton Football Club are not in need of ANY new "marginal increases".... we simply don't need them, and so long as Moyes can keep performing miracles, allowing us to "punch above our weight", we can look forward to being best of the rest (or nearly) forever.

Perhaps if the club had addressed some of those issues with some higher-value and increased capacity over the past 20 years or so, punching above our weight might not equate to finishing just 7th, and Moyes might have had the chance to add quality when and where we've needed it and pushed us on to the real gravy train when we were so close...

Given that we'll probably be outspent yet again by almost everyone (including Sunderland ;) ), god help us if Moyes leaves or we ever punch under our weight.

Joe Rourke
33 Posted 07/07/2011 at 11:42:03
Tom Hughes - Stop wasting my time. Answer my question: who are these clubs?

I have already dealt with your lies above. Do you need me to go through it again?

Everton Facts:

Matchday revenue ? £19 Million
Premier League TV revenue ? £50 Million
All other revenue ? £10 million-ish.

Newcastle and Sunderland, despite bigger newer stadiums, make less money from matchdays than Everton. Facilitating lots of extra (particularly corporate) supporters, à la ManUre, only makes you money if they are willing to pay through the nose for it. Everton don't have such appeal. ManUre, Chelski, the Redshite, Spurs & Arsenal have a backlog of bandwagoning corporate types ready to part with the cash to pretend to be football supporters; we don't.

Therefore it's clear the Premier League TV contract is the money spinner ? not a few extra corporate boxes in the corner.

My lie detecor was fully functioning during the Kirkby fiasco. My awareness of planning and finanacing suggested to me it was unlikely going happen for those two reasons and in that order. But Kenwright's error in pushing it on Everton fans did scare me. Thankfully, his vision in the matter was roughly equalled by his prowess as a property developer. I could see where he was coming from but his thinking is as badly flawed as was the thinking of many people of his position and generation ? here and elsewhere ? on finance and property.

As for Kings Dock, I don't know enough about it to judge. It looked nice but I wasn't party to negotiations so I simply don't know what happened.

I do think Bill's heart is in the right place regardless and his faith and support for Moyes has been critical to the club punching above its weight. It's unfair to say it's all Moyes's doing.
Tom Hughes
34 Posted 07/07/2011 at 14:47:00
As I said..... where did I lie? In your own time........

Sunderland board planned for the future in the early 90s and realised their ambitions to create a 42k then 48k unobstructed view stadium from a position of regular second and even 3rd tier obscurity and sub 20k gates to regularly averaging more than us...... How many would've predicted that in the early 90s? You stated that Everton couldn't have predicted the need for more and/or higher-value capacity, when in fact Sunderland (as shown) ? and almost everyone else ? did. So far, we have failed on three occasions to do what they did at a fraction of the cost quoted for Kirkby. Who showed the greater vision, and from a far more lowly position?
Tom Hughes
35 Posted 08/07/2011 at 13:43:27
Joe,
Still not found that "lie" then? Can I therefore expect an apology?

While you're looking you might also want to check matchday revenues of a few clubs, including some you said were lower than ours..... wouldn't want your inputs to be misconstrued as "lies" or "bullshit" and all that.
James Boden
36 Posted 10/07/2011 at 14:57:09
The title of the article could not have been more appropriate as this Football Club has been shambolically run for 40 years now. Even during the successful 80s the success was achieved inspite of the board not because of them.

It's hard to believe that Pre-War even our manager was a member of the boardroom such was the thorough running of our Football Club.
Robbie Riddal
37 Posted 19/07/2011 at 14:34:50
Joe pissed off sharpish didn't he!
Phil Gardner
38 Posted 20/05/2013 at 15:48:10
Great read Rob, most of your articles are. As an aside, I have a very good friend who was one of the architects on the Park End development in '94. He states, categorically that from day one Everton elected to take the cheapest option possible, and proceeded, throughout the planning and build stages, to try to scrimp and hustle. As an Evertonian he said that it was embarrassing frankly! Same tossers are still calling the shots sadly!
Phil Gardner
39 Posted 20/05/2013 at 15:48:10
Great read Rob, most of your articles are. As an aside, I have a very good friend who was one of the architects on the Park End development in '94. He states, categorically that from day one Everton elected to take the cheapest option possible, and proceeded, throughout the planning and build stages, to try to scrimp and hustle. As an Evertonian he said that it was embarrassing frankly! Same tossers are still calling the shots sadly!
Kenwright out....Riddal in....

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