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Thing is Dominic until we have 5 or 6 results with similar performances the penny won't drop.

Moyes has made a living getting results based on this shit and people are happy with it, incomprehensible to me, but "fear before ambition" is the fans new motto.

From the boardroom to the pitch it's all bollocks anyway - the club has been found out.

Dominic I find you use of Marxist-Leninist dialectic fascinating. Didn't expect to find it on TW but hey, life is full of surprises.

But here's the problem. I want Kenwright as much as anyone. But

a) the players are employees of the club and can't speak out. What can they do? Threaten to mutiny and not work with Moyes? No chance.

b) Let's leave the team out of it. I want Kenwright out but I would rather Everton won. Let's let them get on with it and we can shift Kenwright and his fantasies and incompetence off the field. I hope.

whatI mant to say was "I want Kenwright OUT as much as anyone"
Sorry!

Dominic,

On the flip side. to quote Etiquette of the Banker (1775) "First rule of business, protect your investment".

Do you think that players earning 40k+ per week will seek to overthrow or destabilise their paymasters? Particually when then know they can just about break sweat and get selected week in week out by the ginger haired nepotist.

Sorry but I think it's time for your bed and horlicks, all tucked in with your SWP News.

If the team we put out today was our first eleven then they should have played together for the last two friendly games. Even last monday we had all sorts of variation on who played. I realize that some players have to be substituted due to injuries in the last few friendlies but the wholesale changes that Moyes makes means we enter the first game of the season with no co-ordinated play between players. We have the same slow start every season and Moyes never learns.

Not the best analogy I've ever heard. Ask the Ukrainians, especially about starvation. Phil Nev would probably tell us about a " 5 year plan" and extol the virtues of tractor building.

Nah, sod that let the goodison faithful make their voices loud and proud at the game. If the players dont like it then tough shit. They played today like they couldn't care less (well most of them anyway.)

The money they're on per week. If I had my way then a good dose of digging salt in Siberia would do them all good! Bunch of twats.

Moyes' managerial shortcomings are no longer the grand issue. The great problem is the club is being run abysmally and accordingly has no finances available to strengthen the side.

What the fans should do - the Blue Union, for example - is to make an effort themselves to find a credible buyer and bring them to the club. That would expose once and for all the board's true intentions and close the debate on way or another.

In the meantime, I urge as many fans as can do it to stay away from Goodison and stop financially contributing by buying merchandise, etc., until the board is compelled to act.

Whatever political way you wish to put it....

KENWRIGHT & MOYES are SHITE !!!... End of.

You say you got a real solution
Well you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell you is brother you have to wait...

I hope to fuck it's going to be alright...

Dominic - your analogy might be stretched beyond reasonable use - but it raised a smile for the first time today - so good on you.

Getting the army on-board was a key part of Lenin's strategy (aided by Trotsky) but you must remember that they were armed and had the ability to do damage to the enemy. With the exception of Barkley and Baines, our 'glorious soldiers' were clearly issued with blanks by our commander - so their support is useless!!!

Sadly, the wages they are all on won't even qualify them as petit-bourgeous, let alone proles - so it is there interest to perpetuate the current regime. No effort or quality = thousands of pounds per week! No bad, especially as no competition for places is likely in the long term.

We need the likes of us (the 'common' fans) to start to protest. I'd favour non-violence initially in the style of Gandhi - but I reckon a show trial against Bill for crimes against the state (i.e. EFC) or even theatre goers could be a goer! I think we could find enough 'Witnesses for the Prosecution'....!

Well since I'm into comedy and lets face it todays performance was a tragi comedy of Shakespearian preportions, and Dominic brought politics into the equation, then with the current plight of western Europes financial woes i.e. wheres all the fuckin' money gone (just like Evertons dosh) I thought we just might end the evening with a bit of humour.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOzR3UAyXao&feature=related

Enjoy fellow blues

AND if anyone enjoyed that go for youtube, the same guys and search for "The front fell off" Kenwright could not have penned it any better himself.

so, lads - i have a serious question for you: what do you suggest that we do? Let us hound Kenwright away.

over the last 20 years i have spent more than 10000 euros on everton. I feel cheated. Moyes is to blame. We are better than this.

Moyes has only been Everton manager since 2002.

although I can appreciate the 11 years before it were nothing to write home about but the man can hardly be held accountable for what went on in the years before. For all the money spent on games and merchandise etc the fact of the matter is only one piece of silverware in the last 24 years simply isin't good enough for a club of this stature, some felt after the Rideout Final victory and the 6th place finish the year after following seasons in the wilderness we could be back and make an impact but that quickly fell to pieces.

every new season just like this, I wonder 'could this be our year' . I don't mean in terms of winning a championship but merely adding another piece to our honors list in the way of a domestic cup, we will get a clearer indication after the upcoming Sheffield game, yes, we are better than this, and Moyes does take blame but only when it's necessary, you can't ignore the good things and accomplishments he has achieved in his time here but by the same token I do think maybe it's time coming for him to move on.

Dominic, I'll bet you've spent money on bottled water called EVIAN.

Just reverse the letters and tell me what they spelt.......

Get my drift

We are at the end of an era. I know it's not all moyes's fault but the people above him are in this for their own ego trip.

It only works for a limited amount of time. We know we've no money but the guys at the top are not doing the business and NOT bringing home the corn. Also the main man is sick to effin death of this and is wealthy enough not to care.

If you add a plus b together then you get a downward spiral. We are experiencing this right now in our time.

Come on Andy help me out here. The younger guys dont see whats going on and fair play to them neither did I when I was in my teens / early twenties.

But us older geezers have seen an awful lot of shit in the past and see a much clearer picture of the state OUR club is in at this present time.

All we say is that we see a problem with the future because we see much more clearly the past.

Anyone who doesn't see the past will never see the problems of the future.

Moyes has had a good run at our club but his lack of attributes has been found out. The main one is that he is not able to learn by his past mistakes.

He seems a really good sort of a bloke who you all would love to talk footy with on a Friday night at the pub but between that and warfare on the pitch has now shown itself to be a journey between London and Mount Olympus on Mars.

I always said, and you can go back on this website that a team will always play to the managers finger print in terms of his personality. We are now seeing the internal thought patterns of David Moyes on our team.

You can either do it or you can't. Look at Sir Alex. Over all the years how many times has he had ageing stars and he knows he has to SORT IT.( I think i'm right on this one) And he did.

For us Moyes has proved that he is not the man.

For everyone who says that it's because we've had no money, I would say to them,

When you cross that white line,

The money SHOULD BE IRRELEVENT.

COYB

Would love the Moyes defenders to sort this one out from today: Down 0-1, bring off only striker for a defensive midfielder.

Moyes out.

If the editors of this forum knew what I am listening to know, they would ban me forforever. Suffice it to say, I have had enough of traitors. I LOVE EVERTON

Dom, so do I, and so does everyone on this site, cos it's the best site on the planet pluto. And yes they've e-mailed me.

I don't know what ideology this comes from but it goes something like, "you get what you deserve". from my distant perspective what we saw was no more than the gormless garbage the Goodison crowd have meekly accepted for years.
Only now it is beginning to sink in that what we get is brainless football orchestrated by a tactically inept manager.

We can only guess at why Moyes chose that starting eleven. There is no way that Davy's much acclaimed honesty would stretch that far.
I used to be one of his strongest supporters on this site but over recent years my opinion has gradually changed.
His team selections and tactics are so defensively negative and utterly predictable we are behind the eight ball before a ball is kicked.
Against QPR it was bleedingly obvious to the thousands of spectators and millions around the world that changes needed to be made but as usual Davy took far to long to make them.
I put it down to his sheer bloody arrogance where defeat needs be staring us in the face before he will accept that his original plan needs changing.
In game after game we see him out thought and out maneuvered by managers with far less talent at their disposal.

This isn't command and conquer for the playstation2 or 'risk, the classic game of world domination' it's a football club!

here's a few analogies

watching Everton under Moyes is akin to watching the young lads going over the top at the Somme, lambs to the slaughter, we all know whats going to happen and we have no way of stopping it

and why?

because we have lions led by fucking donkeys

Once our minds have been made up to get rid of Moyes and Kenwright, we just can't hope for and encourage succes on the field. We need the team to fail big time in order to change the regime. We can't have it both ways. So don't sob when we lose- welcome it cause it'll have to get a hell of a lot worse before it can get better.

Gavin, to be precise, yesterday was donkeys plus one lion cub led by a donkey...who is led by a donkey.

Enjoyed Dominic's piece by the way, it had something Moyes wouldn't recognise if it bit him on the plums.

Imagination.

"Dominic Bobadilla
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Jon Cox
20 Posted 21/08/2011 at 00:24:31

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Brian, I agree with you and I apologise for any inconvenience caused. Too much whisky last night.

Lets face it Everton have one thing going for them--THE FANS. On saturday I was dismayed by the players, the team selection, and the tatics ( or lack of). QPR were terrible.

Get Sam Allardyce in now --it may not be pretty, but when were Everton last pretty to watch-at least he will wheel and deal, and get results

We dont have long to change things, and with this current squad, we have no fight.

I got the distinct impression on Saturday that some players dont want to be at Goodison. What a crime and a lack of respect for Merseysiders--some of whom have to go without other luxuries to follow EFC.

Get rid of the board , (possibly get rid of the manager--he's been there too long now), get rid of the players--keep the fans--the whole place ir rotten without the people