Season 2011-12 Fan Articles
Dear Mr Kenwright....
By Scott Montgomery :: 01/09/2011
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Dear Mr Kenwright,
Another transfer window has come and gone: 2 strikers sold, albeit not great ones, but they filled a spot on the pitch; 1 midfielder gone, a little injury prone, but supposedly our creative force. To replace them, a young Argentine from the first division and a Dutch dude with a short fuse. Don't get me wrong ? they both could be really good loan signings but the net effect on team numbers is negative.
I know you don't have an endless pot of money and I don't blame you for that. Problem is, that's what football requires these days. Transfer fees are ludicrous and wages are breathtaking but you pay the going rate for your operating environment.
Seeing as you don't have a private oilfield, you need 3 things IMO: 1) a good manager; 2) loyal fans; and 3) an innovative club hierarchy who can plan and realise a business plan to maintain high income streams.
You must have been listening to the immortal Mr Loaf when he sang "2 out of 3 ain't bad". This Blue thinks we do have a good manager, albeit a little conservative. This Blue thinks we have a very loyal fan base, who continues to part with their hard-earned cash despite no trophy in 16 long years.
Its the 3) that has me concerned. Since you took over from the previous administration, we have had some good and bad times on the pitch... slowly improving league position and gradual decrease in the average squad age. Champions League qualification one year, Europa League and an FA Cup Final. And yet we find ourselves here today having once again sold the family silver to pay the moneylenders. And that's not the worst of it.
We have a historic ground which has seen generations of Blues fans watching our heroes. It's not big enough now at its current capacity. And while it has stagnated, we've watched the epic failure that was Kings Dock and the civil war that was Destination Kirkby. Other clubs are earning milions more than us 19 times a year because they have managed to upgrade or relocate. We've just funneled good money down planning drains, tangled ourselves in legal spiderwebs, and come out the other end with what the cow left in the lane.
You've hired numerous people into senior positions in the Blue hierarchy over the last few years and between you managed to open up a second merchandise shop in the City of Liverpool. And given it a catchy name too. Problem is, there's often chronic shortages of the things people want and outside Liverpool our merchandising net grows weak. People like Keith Wyness were brought in to globalise our brand; end result... abject failure.
Others have been bought in to find investment for the club or even, god forbid, a buyer with a bit of cash to spend. While teams like Blackburn and Man City get sold, Everton ? a club with a lot going for it ? remains on the shelf.
You say there's been no serious bidders... we hear and see transcripts which seem to indicate the contrary. And which also indicate that internationally experienced investors were amazed at the amateurishness of our commercial team. No bids, some bids, bids too small, wrong types of investors and bedsit pranksters... it's all been very murky and unproductive. Fortress Sports Fund anyone?
Your team seems to like operating clandestinely... there is gathering evidence that some have been trying to influence fans using social network aliases... surely a professional organisation can communicate to its supporters clearly and honestly?
Unfortunately Bill, in any business, the buck stops with the man at the top. And that's you. He needs to drive the expansion of the business, understand the finances which make it tick, and have the requisite nous to hire people he can trust to help him achieve the objectives in the Grand Plan.
No-one doubts your credentials as a Blue and your passion for the club is evident. But so is ours and the club we love is teetering on the brink of serious commercial problems. And this has come about on your watch, Bill. You've let the "Smell of the greasepaint and roar of the crowd" deafen your ears and blind your eyes to the damage that is being done to our club and the anxiety it is causing us.
We need you to heed the calls of thousands of true Blues around the world and get rid of all the old boys and all the hangers on at our club who continue to fail in their appointed positions. You need to replace them with intelligent, experienced individuals who can generate larger revenues for the club.
You need to put a realistic valuation on your shareholding of the club and sell it to someone who is able to lead us financially into a brighter future. If you don't, and things don't change, there is a real risk of fiscal implosion, relegation and collapse.
We're on course to hit the iceberg, Bill... will you be at the helm when our good ship sinks forever into the murky depths of oblivion?
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Robert Johnson
2 Posted 01/09/2011 at 16:57:44
2 Posted 01/09/2011 at 16:57:44
Scott
Excellent article, think it just about pips my "fuck off Kenwright" for informative content.
Excellent article, think it just about pips my "fuck off Kenwright" for informative content.
Chris Wilson
3 Posted 01/09/2011 at 17:16:35
3 Posted 01/09/2011 at 17:16:35
Unfortunately it's probably going to come down to one of those "we have one month before we go under" moments before someone comes in to save us. That's what happened with Chelsea, Liverpool, Portsmouth, etc. Mixed results with all of them, but it does seem to be a disturbing pattern.
Alan McGuffog
4 Posted 01/09/2011 at 18:17:26
4 Posted 01/09/2011 at 18:17:26
Chris, sooner or later one of those "one month before we go under " scenarios is going to go all the way.
Trevor Mackie
5 Posted 01/09/2011 at 18:20:03
5 Posted 01/09/2011 at 18:20:03
Bill's a dead loss this "gushing" about every fucker - Moyes, Greene and the other cronies is a character defect an indicator he can't manage.
Give me someone quietly professional every time - you know where you are, they don't tell lies and more importantly they get the job done.
Lower down the chain you can afford a few "characters" to entertain the troops and maybe some useless office girls with big tits but not steering the ship.
Short letters calling him inept are ok, but don't waste your ink outlining argument - it's giving strawberries to donkeys.
Give me someone quietly professional every time - you know where you are, they don't tell lies and more importantly they get the job done.
Lower down the chain you can afford a few "characters" to entertain the troops and maybe some useless office girls with big tits but not steering the ship.
Short letters calling him inept are ok, but don't waste your ink outlining argument - it's giving strawberries to donkeys.
Steve Mink
6 Posted 01/09/2011 at 18:42:03
6 Posted 01/09/2011 at 18:42:03
Dear Scott
1. We are broke
2. We are selling players to prevent the very 'fiscal implosion' you refer to.
3. We are not attractive to potential buyers for a range of reasons, including the legacy debt, the lack of a modern stadium, and the local competition with LFC.
Yours ever
"Bill"
1. We are broke
2. We are selling players to prevent the very 'fiscal implosion' you refer to.
3. We are not attractive to potential buyers for a range of reasons, including the legacy debt, the lack of a modern stadium, and the local competition with LFC.
Yours ever
"Bill"
Richard Tarleton
8 Posted 01/09/2011 at 19:24:23
8 Posted 01/09/2011 at 19:24:23
I feel we must congratulate "True Blue Bill" on his astute management of the situation. He names four players he doesn't want to sell:Jagielka, Baines, Howard(why not ?He's the worst goalie on crosses I've seen at Goodison since the diminuative Albert Dunlop) and Fellaini, so Arteta realises how valued he is. Then on the last day he sells Arteta , Beckford and Yakubu, two of whom are known to be among the very hghest earners at Goodison and the third was a free who possibly, because of this, was paid more than you expect because no transfer fee was involved.
Bill's cutting the debt , what a man. Shame we're a little short of classplayers but that's £20 million off the debt at a stroke and you all think Bill's a bumbling fool. No need to sell the club now, he can continue posturing in Directors' Boxes for another season or so until we're relegated.
Bill's cutting the debt , what a man. Shame we're a little short of classplayers but that's £20 million off the debt at a stroke and you all think Bill's a bumbling fool. No need to sell the club now, he can continue posturing in Directors' Boxes for another season or so until we're relegated.
Mike Gaynes
9 Posted 01/09/2011 at 20:06:42
9 Posted 01/09/2011 at 20:06:42
So, Richard, it's your opinion that the loss of Jermaine Beckford signals a one-year plummet from 7th to relegation?
That's the only departure from the side that produced 21 points from its last eleven games of last season. Arteta was injured.
That's the only departure from the side that produced 21 points from its last eleven games of last season. Arteta was injured.
Robin Cannon
10 Posted 01/09/2011 at 20:05:53
10 Posted 01/09/2011 at 20:05:53
The amateur nature of our commercial operation in general always frustrates me. It seems like the one aspect of the club that is actually something we can address *now*. It doesn't need someone to invest in the club, it isn't based on player sales, it doesn't need us to build more executive boxes or move stadium, it just needs competent management.
Our commercial revenue for 2009/10 was £9 million. I understand why that's dwarfed by the likes of Manchester United or Liverpool, given their global reach. But its £4 million less than Aston Villa in a year when they didn't have a shirt sponsor (choosing to promote a local charity instead). It's £7 million less than Sunderland. We're closer to the likes of Bolton (£6.3 million) in terms of our earnings from commercial pursuits than we are to teams of equivalent size.
We're not in a good financial position, but when BK talks about increasing our debt by £5 million a year in order to give Moyes a minimal transfer fund, and we're earning £4-7 million a year *less* than reasonable sized (but not glamorous, or in rich markets) clubs, I just wish there was more focus on fixing this issue.
Our commercial revenue for 2009/10 was £9 million. I understand why that's dwarfed by the likes of Manchester United or Liverpool, given their global reach. But its £4 million less than Aston Villa in a year when they didn't have a shirt sponsor (choosing to promote a local charity instead). It's £7 million less than Sunderland. We're closer to the likes of Bolton (£6.3 million) in terms of our earnings from commercial pursuits than we are to teams of equivalent size.
We're not in a good financial position, but when BK talks about increasing our debt by £5 million a year in order to give Moyes a minimal transfer fund, and we're earning £4-7 million a year *less* than reasonable sized (but not glamorous, or in rich markets) clubs, I just wish there was more focus on fixing this issue.
Andy Crooks
11 Posted 01/09/2011 at 20:26:32
11 Posted 01/09/2011 at 20:26:32
Richard Tarleton, well said Goodison park should be a no go area for Bill Kenwright, a cold house. Bill you are despised by many Evertonians, go.
Dick Fearon
12 Posted 01/09/2011 at 20:46:14
12 Posted 01/09/2011 at 20:46:14
Am I the only voice in the wilderness pleading for a halt to these repetitive diatribes. We have got the message thank you very much, can we now turn our attention to the playing side of things.
Alternatively, Toffeeweb could have a designated column where those who want can moan about Bill to their hearts content giving a restful interlude to those of us who are fast losing interest in endless repeats of the same old old gripes.
Alternatively, Toffeeweb could have a designated column where those who want can moan about Bill to their hearts content giving a restful interlude to those of us who are fast losing interest in endless repeats of the same old old gripes.
Kunal Desai
13 Posted 01/09/2011 at 21:01:24
13 Posted 01/09/2011 at 21:01:24
Interesting...Very interesting indeed. I have just reacquainted with an old school friend of mine from 15 odd years ago. He works for a London borough council and has told me that either next week or the week after when I meet him, he will tell the full story of how he took Mr Kenwright to court over works he did to his house in Westiminster. Should be very interesting hearing this. I will let all know when I get all the details.
Ged Alexander
14 Posted 01/09/2011 at 21:11:49
14 Posted 01/09/2011 at 21:11:49
Dick, I know it's boring...but truly, we cannot progress whilst Bill is chairman. He is plausible, he is a busy fool....he must go and we, the fans, are the only ones who can make it happen. That said, i gree, on match days we get behind the team.
Dan Brierley
15 Posted 01/09/2011 at 21:18:08
15 Posted 01/09/2011 at 21:18:08
Dick, where would be the fun in that? I actually enjoy reading all these morbid 'we are going down the pan posts'. It makes me think to myself 'fuck me, my life really isnt that bad!'. For the past 4 years we have been told hundreds of times we are going to be relegated, other teams are passing us, we are close to adminstration, squads too small, manager is shit, players are shit etc. etc.
They thrive on any mere hint of negativity at our club, and do their best to stifle anybody feeling positive by trying to suck it out of them by constantly banging this drum about how terrible we are.
They complain about the volume of debt, then complain when the top earner is took off the books. They complain at the lack of wide players and abundance of central players, then complain when the oldest attacking midfielder is sold, and refuse to acknowledge the fact we have brought in a quality wide player. Same applies to bringing a new young striker.
Drenthe and Stracqualursi have ALREADY been rubbished by many people before they have even kicked a ball. And even if they do turn good, we will be told 'it was only by luck as other people left, Moyes hand was forced'.
They thrive on any mere hint of negativity at our club, and do their best to stifle anybody feeling positive by trying to suck it out of them by constantly banging this drum about how terrible we are.
They complain about the volume of debt, then complain when the top earner is took off the books. They complain at the lack of wide players and abundance of central players, then complain when the oldest attacking midfielder is sold, and refuse to acknowledge the fact we have brought in a quality wide player. Same applies to bringing a new young striker.
Drenthe and Stracqualursi have ALREADY been rubbished by many people before they have even kicked a ball. And even if they do turn good, we will be told 'it was only by luck as other people left, Moyes hand was forced'.
Rob Hollis
16 Posted 01/09/2011 at 21:19:37
16 Posted 01/09/2011 at 21:19:37
Do you really think some argument with a council is of any interest to anybody. Nothing to do with the club and just some gossip. What next? BK forgot to pay his paper bill.
Dick Fearon
17 Posted 01/09/2011 at 21:24:40
17 Posted 01/09/2011 at 21:24:40
Dan 14, Speaking of our two new signings you have read my thoughts completely.
That many on this site have placed them in the shit box before giving them a chance is another sign that paranoia is seeping into every aspect of TW.
That many on this site have placed them in the shit box before giving them a chance is another sign that paranoia is seeping into every aspect of TW.
Gavin Ramejkis
18 Posted 01/09/2011 at 21:46:17
18 Posted 01/09/2011 at 21:46:17
FFS people some still just dont get it, just about 12 months and the team is now 6 players less; Gosling for fuck all, Pienaar, Vaughan, Beckford, Yakubu and Arteta all of whom were in the first team. Inbound we have two loanees, dont forget that word its important - LOANEES. Everton dont own them, they are borrowed and in less than a year they'll be gone, the team will still be six players short of what it was and Kenshite will have the banks knocking again.
It was fucking shameful listening to some of the shite on the radio this morning saying along the lines of poor old Moyes only got £10m with 4 minutes to go so didnt get chance to spend it but he'll be ok in January. The world still doesn't fucking get it, every last penny we made has gone to the banks, any wage saving will be paying for the BORROWED players.
Finally anyone writing off the loss of Beckford have obviously quickly forgotten his 10 goals last season and blanked Anichebe's fuck all goals last season - good old Pip Neville who scores every four years outscored Anichebe last season as did over 300 other EPL players, no goals scored and you at most get a point even if we drew every remaining game thats not enough to keep us up.
It was fucking shameful listening to some of the shite on the radio this morning saying along the lines of poor old Moyes only got £10m with 4 minutes to go so didnt get chance to spend it but he'll be ok in January. The world still doesn't fucking get it, every last penny we made has gone to the banks, any wage saving will be paying for the BORROWED players.
Finally anyone writing off the loss of Beckford have obviously quickly forgotten his 10 goals last season and blanked Anichebe's fuck all goals last season - good old Pip Neville who scores every four years outscored Anichebe last season as did over 300 other EPL players, no goals scored and you at most get a point even if we drew every remaining game thats not enough to keep us up.
David Price
19 Posted 01/09/2011 at 22:27:38
19 Posted 01/09/2011 at 22:27:38
Respectful, passionate and totally accurate.
Excellent article Scott, like the rest of us my heart bleeds with you,.
Excellent article Scott, like the rest of us my heart bleeds with you,.
Lee Hind
20 Posted 01/09/2011 at 22:24:33
20 Posted 01/09/2011 at 22:24:33
That's one way to look at it Gavin, but it can be viewed differently...Arteta wanted to go and we've already had our money's worth, massive profit on him and the banks need to be paid. We're better off in midfield than anywhere else and we can win without him as we proved last season.
The offer for Beckford is good business as well, again I think we got our money's worth out of him and he's been replaced by a loanee and will be again.
We've paid the banks and we have two new players to give the team width and goals...it's not fucked yet!!!
The offer for Beckford is good business as well, again I think we got our money's worth out of him and he's been replaced by a loanee and will be again.
We've paid the banks and we have two new players to give the team width and goals...it's not fucked yet!!!
Dan Brierley
21 Posted 01/09/2011 at 22:24:04
21 Posted 01/09/2011 at 22:24:04
Gav, so regarding your last sentence, you are predicting that we will go down again?
I am amazed you are suggesting that Vaughan, Gosling and Yakubu were in the first team! Can you now see what I mean about making things look terrible to suit your own agenda? Last season, we didnt have Ross Barkley playing in midfield which you have also refused to acknowledge. Our midfield when fit now looks like Drenthe, Rodwell (holding), Barkley, Fellaini, Coleman. Average age of around 21 and good for another 8 years, with the experience of Osman, Neville, Cahill amoungst them for development.
I am amazed you are suggesting that Vaughan, Gosling and Yakubu were in the first team! Can you now see what I mean about making things look terrible to suit your own agenda? Last season, we didnt have Ross Barkley playing in midfield which you have also refused to acknowledge. Our midfield when fit now looks like Drenthe, Rodwell (holding), Barkley, Fellaini, Coleman. Average age of around 21 and good for another 8 years, with the experience of Osman, Neville, Cahill amoungst them for development.
Alistair Strachan
22 Posted 01/09/2011 at 23:07:53
22 Posted 01/09/2011 at 23:07:53
Dan Brierley....Hey, YOU'RE RIGHT.
Everything in the garden is rosy and we're all morons for viewing the current situation as staring into the abyss. My God, I'm so gald I listened to a wise voice like yours instead of thinking Blue Bill had driven us to the point of oblivion .
Tra-la-la-la-la
Everything in the garden is rosy and we're all morons for viewing the current situation as staring into the abyss. My God, I'm so gald I listened to a wise voice like yours instead of thinking Blue Bill had driven us to the point of oblivion .
Tra-la-la-la-la
Andy Crooks
23 Posted 01/09/2011 at 23:29:32
23 Posted 01/09/2011 at 23:29:32
Gavin, good sensible post. Dan; Rodwell holding? He's a fucking right winger don't you know? Coleman?Injured and was played wide right by the mighty Moyes a long time after many people on this site were advocating it. Drenthe, well your guess is as good as mine. Barkley, great prospect. So you think he's ready to take Arteta's place? Fellaini? Apparently he's going to be great. Any chance he might show it soon? There's plenty of competition for the most ridiculous post of the year but you've set the standard with that last one.
Dan Brierley
24 Posted 01/09/2011 at 23:40:37
24 Posted 01/09/2011 at 23:40:37
Alistair, there is no need to be childish about it. You can at least debate the points I have raised. Nobody is suggesting the situation is perfect at all. My point is that in MY VIEW, its not as bad as some people are suggesting.
You are now free to go back and cry into your Gin about losing 'first team players' such as Gosling, Vaughan and Yakubu. I personally prefer to give the new lads a chance before writing them off.
You are now free to go back and cry into your Gin about losing 'first team players' such as Gosling, Vaughan and Yakubu. I personally prefer to give the new lads a chance before writing them off.
Dick Fearon
26 Posted 02/09/2011 at 03:01:57
26 Posted 02/09/2011 at 03:01:57
Gav # 17, You are wrong to say, "FFS some people don't get it".
We get it alright, having the same old same old rammed down our throats time after never ending time in one after another TW edition it would be damn near impossible not to get it. Give yourself and the rest of us a break from your interminable negativity. Is that too much to ask?
Eric Myles
27 Posted 02/09/2011 at 04:05:14
27 Posted 02/09/2011 at 04:05:14
Dick #11, why do you bother reading the articles and then complain about them? Just don't read them.
Jay Harris
28 Posted 02/09/2011 at 05:09:28
28 Posted 02/09/2011 at 05:09:28
Some posters are right that it is becoming tedious writing about Kenwright consistently but the thick skinned lying bastard isnt getting the message.
Bill you are the weakest link please go ASAP.
Bill you are the weakest link please go ASAP.
Derek Thomas
30 Posted 02/09/2011 at 07:17:17
30 Posted 02/09/2011 at 07:17:17
Dick: we DO have a designated column for articles like this... infact we have more than one, there's the Mailbox, then there's the Fan Articles, then there's...........
Gavin Ramejkis
31 Posted 02/09/2011 at 08:24:23
31 Posted 02/09/2011 at 08:24:23
Dan, whether or not your "blue tinted specs" let you or not the first team squad is a named set of 25 individual players each club has to name at the start of a season, teams have to rely on these and added loans and emergency loans in certain situations during the season to stop the likes of the Sky darlings just rotating squads of 50 players.
Lookup the Everton first team squad from the start of last season and then ask yourself if you are really right to be so smug, take a guess at that potential 25 this season and try again Dan. If you look at that squad having to be there to resolve unforeseen injuries, suspensions and international call ups it makes sense but as you say Hey don't let reality get in the way of your sycophantic views.
Lookup the Everton first team squad from the start of last season and then ask yourself if you are really right to be so smug, take a guess at that potential 25 this season and try again Dan. If you look at that squad having to be there to resolve unforeseen injuries, suspensions and international call ups it makes sense but as you say Hey don't let reality get in the way of your sycophantic views.
Dave Wilson
32 Posted 02/09/2011 at 08:17:59
32 Posted 02/09/2011 at 08:17:59
Dick
You must get TW`S most two faced poster award.
You habitually slag Ossie off - even when you havent seen the game - week in week out and your incredibly unfunny "pinch a point" post are so brain numbing repetative.
Just because YOU think Kenwright "isnt really that bad" doesnt mean the rules have to change.
People in Glass houses . . .
Gavin
Talking of repetative, you seem incapable of giving your little dig at Anichebe a miss, constantly throwing up your half witted Stats.
You accuse others of "forgetting" but YOU conveniently forget that Vic started five games last season and only three more the year before, he has tried to battle back after a career threathening injury. and he has been consistantly played out wide.
If memory serves me right you were one of the people who were screaming for Nzoggbia.
Heres a little Challenge for you. Without even knowing if he`ll be selected or not I will bet you a tenner - to the charity of your choice - that big useles Vic will shrug of the seemingly endless lists of injuries he`s sufferd and will score more than the much sort after 11m quid costing Charlie boy.
forget your shite stats. I dont buy em
Do we have a bet ?
You must get TW`S most two faced poster award.
You habitually slag Ossie off - even when you havent seen the game - week in week out and your incredibly unfunny "pinch a point" post are so brain numbing repetative.
Just because YOU think Kenwright "isnt really that bad" doesnt mean the rules have to change.
People in Glass houses . . .
Gavin
Talking of repetative, you seem incapable of giving your little dig at Anichebe a miss, constantly throwing up your half witted Stats.
You accuse others of "forgetting" but YOU conveniently forget that Vic started five games last season and only three more the year before, he has tried to battle back after a career threathening injury. and he has been consistantly played out wide.
If memory serves me right you were one of the people who were screaming for Nzoggbia.
Heres a little Challenge for you. Without even knowing if he`ll be selected or not I will bet you a tenner - to the charity of your choice - that big useles Vic will shrug of the seemingly endless lists of injuries he`s sufferd and will score more than the much sort after 11m quid costing Charlie boy.
forget your shite stats. I dont buy em
Do we have a bet ?
Dave Wilson
33 Posted 02/09/2011 at 08:51:30
33 Posted 02/09/2011 at 08:51:30
Oh AND Dick
The useless worthless Ossie against your "world class" Timmy.
Do we have a bet ?
The useless worthless Ossie against your "world class" Timmy.
Do we have a bet ?
Nelly Verdonghan
34 Posted 02/09/2011 at 09:31:49
34 Posted 02/09/2011 at 09:31:49
For God's sake when will people wake up....
MOYES IS NOT A GOOD MANAGER !!
He is part of the problem...during his reign....Middlesborough and Fulham have reached the UEFA Final which Moyes has never got anywhere near....Fulham doing it from a far harder group than ANY we have been involved in.
Stoke, Millwall and Cardiff have reached the FA CUP Final and Birmingham and Portsmouth have actually won trophies...Portsmouth beating Man Utd at OLD TRAFFORD...something that Moyes has NEVER done.
In nearly 10 years Moyes has reached a semi-final and final and 'bottled them both' as he did in the !st leg at Fiorentina....In his whole Managerial career including his time at Preston he has won pecisely NOTHING...Please can someone explain how this makes him a good manager....PLEASE !!
MOYES IS NOT A GOOD MANAGER !!
He is part of the problem...during his reign....Middlesborough and Fulham have reached the UEFA Final which Moyes has never got anywhere near....Fulham doing it from a far harder group than ANY we have been involved in.
Stoke, Millwall and Cardiff have reached the FA CUP Final and Birmingham and Portsmouth have actually won trophies...Portsmouth beating Man Utd at OLD TRAFFORD...something that Moyes has NEVER done.
In nearly 10 years Moyes has reached a semi-final and final and 'bottled them both' as he did in the !st leg at Fiorentina....In his whole Managerial career including his time at Preston he has won pecisely NOTHING...Please can someone explain how this makes him a good manager....PLEASE !!
Dick Fearon
35 Posted 02/09/2011 at 09:57:10
35 Posted 02/09/2011 at 09:57:10
Dave Wilson, For the past few years via TV I have seen the whole of every Everton league game plus most of our cup games, Can you beat that?
Comparing Osman and Cahill is ridiculous. One is a true competitor that never shirks a tackle. The other is a slow, weak fancy Dan who goes missing from action in most games and cannot withstand a tackle.
One has scored many goals at club and international level, the other?
You tell me Dave which of them is which and what is it that you want to bet on?
Comparing Osman and Cahill is ridiculous. One is a true competitor that never shirks a tackle. The other is a slow, weak fancy Dan who goes missing from action in most games and cannot withstand a tackle.
One has scored many goals at club and international level, the other?
You tell me Dave which of them is which and what is it that you want to bet on?
Dave Wilson
36 Posted 02/09/2011 at 10:20:46
36 Posted 02/09/2011 at 10:20:46
Actually Dick I can.
Anyway the bet is really really simple.
No point in comparing Cahill to Ossie as footballers. one is, the other isnt. Ossie is vastly superior.
So I will take you and your hero on at his own (only) game.
Ossie to score more. simple as that.
If he does you donate a tenner to a charity of my choice, if he doesnt then I do the same to your charity.
Now I`m quite happy to be wrong here, BUT . . I know the prospect of the local boy you persistantly accuse of being shite twatting the guy you describe as an " international superstar at his own (only) game will be enough to have you shitting yourself and will keep you quiet for months.
Now do we have a bet ?
Anyway the bet is really really simple.
No point in comparing Cahill to Ossie as footballers. one is, the other isnt. Ossie is vastly superior.
So I will take you and your hero on at his own (only) game.
Ossie to score more. simple as that.
If he does you donate a tenner to a charity of my choice, if he doesnt then I do the same to your charity.
Now I`m quite happy to be wrong here, BUT . . I know the prospect of the local boy you persistantly accuse of being shite twatting the guy you describe as an " international superstar at his own (only) game will be enough to have you shitting yourself and will keep you quiet for months.
Now do we have a bet ?
Dick Fearon
37 Posted 02/09/2011 at 11:20:18
37 Posted 02/09/2011 at 11:20:18
Candy from a baby, your on Dave. One proviso which is, I will not be silenced.
Dave Wilson
38 Posted 02/09/2011 at 11:32:02
38 Posted 02/09/2011 at 11:32:02
Oh I`m backing Ossies goals to have the desired effect Dick.
Mike Green
39 Posted 02/09/2011 at 11:45:25
39 Posted 02/09/2011 at 11:45:25
Great piece Scott Montgomery, nice one.
Guy Wilkinson
40 Posted 02/09/2011 at 12:24:23
40 Posted 02/09/2011 at 12:24:23
This is a good piece, but I wish people to stop referring to fiscal policy when they mean (club) financial policy.
Andrew Laird
41 Posted 02/09/2011 at 12:27:26
41 Posted 02/09/2011 at 12:27:26
Vitriol, council court cases, childish remarks and gambling!! You just have to love Toffeeweb...... how about Chinese philosophy, that seems to be missing from the above and provides an interesting argument:
"In Asian philosophy, the concept of yin yang (simplified Chinese: ÒõÑô; traditional Chinese: ê?ê?; pinyin: y¨©ny¨¢ng), which is often referred to in the West as "yin and yang", is used to describe how polar opposites or seemingly contrary forces are interconnected and interdependent in the natural world, and how they give rise to each other in turn. Opposites thus only exist in relation to each other."
Sums it up quite nicely.
"In Asian philosophy, the concept of yin yang (simplified Chinese: ÒõÑô; traditional Chinese: ê?ê?; pinyin: y¨©ny¨¢ng), which is often referred to in the West as "yin and yang", is used to describe how polar opposites or seemingly contrary forces are interconnected and interdependent in the natural world, and how they give rise to each other in turn. Opposites thus only exist in relation to each other."
Sums it up quite nicely.
David Thomas
42 Posted 02/09/2011 at 12:47:35
42 Posted 02/09/2011 at 12:47:35
Dave Wilson,
I'm intrigued by your belief that Ossie will score more goals than Cahill this season.
I know you don't take much notice of stats, neither do i most of the time but on this instance i don't think in the 7 full seasons they have played together that Ossie has ever scored more than Cahill over the course of a season. I think Ossie has played more games and Cahill has still scored a considerable number of goals more than Ossie.
Is there any particular thing you have seen this season to suggest to you that Ossie will score more?
I'm intrigued by your belief that Ossie will score more goals than Cahill this season.
I know you don't take much notice of stats, neither do i most of the time but on this instance i don't think in the 7 full seasons they have played together that Ossie has ever scored more than Cahill over the course of a season. I think Ossie has played more games and Cahill has still scored a considerable number of goals more than Ossie.
Is there any particular thing you have seen this season to suggest to you that Ossie will score more?
Dave Wilson
43 Posted 02/09/2011 at 14:01:02
43 Posted 02/09/2011 at 14:01:02
Derek.
Dick has been known to post some good stuff on here, but he has for 3-4 seasons posted nothing but spiteful shite about Ossie and I fucken hate it.
Now if I was having this bet with a bookie I would want odds of about 7/2, but I will forgo that, because I want Ossie to shut him up . . and the best way to do that is to beat the guy he hero worships.
Ossie has been asked to play on the wing for most of his career, Cahill had a stint but his lack of any sort of ball control soon put paid to that.
Arteta`s gone Ossie will play far more games in the center now and will get far more chances to score. dont be surprised to see cahill benched.
I know I am on the second favourite but its far from a lost cause.
Just the thought of Dick squirming as the local guy he claims isnt even championship class scores more than the hero he claims is "world class" makes forgoing the odds worthwhile.
Dick has been known to post some good stuff on here, but he has for 3-4 seasons posted nothing but spiteful shite about Ossie and I fucken hate it.
Now if I was having this bet with a bookie I would want odds of about 7/2, but I will forgo that, because I want Ossie to shut him up . . and the best way to do that is to beat the guy he hero worships.
Ossie has been asked to play on the wing for most of his career, Cahill had a stint but his lack of any sort of ball control soon put paid to that.
Arteta`s gone Ossie will play far more games in the center now and will get far more chances to score. dont be surprised to see cahill benched.
I know I am on the second favourite but its far from a lost cause.
Just the thought of Dick squirming as the local guy he claims isnt even championship class scores more than the hero he claims is "world class" makes forgoing the odds worthwhile.
Gavin Ramejkis
44 Posted 02/09/2011 at 14:44:44
44 Posted 02/09/2011 at 14:44:44
Dave you are on, any cancer charity mate, Anichebe is fucking gash he's older now than players showing him up too so the young lad part no longer even counts. I'd be surprised if NZogbia getting a single league goal this season doesn't beat Anichebe's league total.
Dave Wilson
45 Posted 02/09/2011 at 14:54:40
45 Posted 02/09/2011 at 14:54:40
keep it coming Gav, the more you gob off the better.
C
C
Dave Wilson
46 Posted 02/09/2011 at 15:17:27
46 Posted 02/09/2011 at 15:17:27
Meant to say Gavin
Cancer Charity good for me too
Cancer Charity good for me too
Dominic Bobadilla
47 Posted 02/09/2011 at 16:21:24
47 Posted 02/09/2011 at 16:21:24
This is the kind of club chairman I would like; I wonder what he would have said to our players during halftime against QPR:
Chechen owner's reign of terro-r
Tuesday, August 30, 2011
Players from Neuchatel Xamax have admitted being petrified by the Swiss club's Chechen owner with one of them claiming he feared for his life, according to the internet site 20minutes.ch.
Bulat Chagaev had stormed into the changing room following Neuchatel's draw with Lausanne and terrorized the players while he had to be restrained by armed bodyguards from assaulting coach Joaquin Caparros.
Chagaev became a board member in May and sacked the entire coaching staff after the side had lost 2-0 to Basel.
AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
Chechen owner's reign of terro-r
Tuesday, August 30, 2011
Players from Neuchatel Xamax have admitted being petrified by the Swiss club's Chechen owner with one of them claiming he feared for his life, according to the internet site 20minutes.ch.
Bulat Chagaev had stormed into the changing room following Neuchatel's draw with Lausanne and terrorized the players while he had to be restrained by armed bodyguards from assaulting coach Joaquin Caparros.
Chagaev became a board member in May and sacked the entire coaching staff after the side had lost 2-0 to Basel.
AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
David Israel
49 Posted 02/09/2011 at 19:41:30
49 Posted 02/09/2011 at 19:41:30
Dear Mr. Kenright, Sir,
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!
PS With apologies to Oliver Cromwell and Leo Amery.
You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!
PS With apologies to Oliver Cromwell and Leo Amery.
Mike Bates
50 Posted 02/09/2011 at 21:40:14
50 Posted 02/09/2011 at 21:40:14
No argument between Osman and Cahill.
They're both shite.
They're both shite.
Dick Fearon
51 Posted 02/09/2011 at 22:07:07
51 Posted 02/09/2011 at 22:07:07
Batesy, i'll sort you out after I finish of Dave.W.
By the way, in the 2-1 OZ vs Thailand WC match in Brisbane, Cahill came off in the 60th min and was last seen on the bench with a large Ice pack wrapped around his left leg.
Oz fly out today to Saudi Arabia for another WC match.
I've got 10quid riding on Timmy so Moyes should immediately call for him to give the Saudi game a miss and come straight back to Goodison.
By the way, in the 2-1 OZ vs Thailand WC match in Brisbane, Cahill came off in the 60th min and was last seen on the bench with a large Ice pack wrapped around his left leg.
Oz fly out today to Saudi Arabia for another WC match.
I've got 10quid riding on Timmy so Moyes should immediately call for him to give the Saudi game a miss and come straight back to Goodison.
Gavin Ramejkis
52 Posted 02/09/2011 at 23:30:34
52 Posted 02/09/2011 at 23:30:34
Dan, Everton have named their squad
Everton: Anichebe, Baines, T Cahill, Hibbert, Jagielka, Neville, Osman, Bilyaletdinov, Coleman, Distin, Fellaini, Heitinga, Howard, Mucha, Saha, Yobo, Drenthe, Stracqualursi.
thats 18 players, you dont have to name under 21s above the 25 limit but we dont even have 25 to name without the kids
Dave you seem to be the only one who sees anything in Anichebe but still cant see his simply isnt good enough and isnt going to suddenly become a 10 goal a season striker never mind a 20 goal a season one
Everton: Anichebe, Baines, T Cahill, Hibbert, Jagielka, Neville, Osman, Bilyaletdinov, Coleman, Distin, Fellaini, Heitinga, Howard, Mucha, Saha, Yobo, Drenthe, Stracqualursi.
thats 18 players, you dont have to name under 21s above the 25 limit but we dont even have 25 to name without the kids
Dave you seem to be the only one who sees anything in Anichebe but still cant see his simply isnt good enough and isnt going to suddenly become a 10 goal a season striker never mind a 20 goal a season one
Dave Wilson
53 Posted 03/09/2011 at 07:24:27
53 Posted 03/09/2011 at 07:24:27
Dick
Dont worry, Your "world superstar" should be able to come back on one leg and still score more than the little local lad you`ve been teling everyone is fucken worthless for as long as I can rememeber.
Gavin
Other than express disgust at the constant bile and deliberately misleading stats thrown up about Anichebe on so many threads - most of which have been totaly unrelated - I dont think I`ve spoken about him. . .so not sure where you get that statement from.
Relax Guys.You seem kinda nervous.
You have your two world superstars up against the two local boys who are so utterly utterly shite . . .you two have felt the need to come on and tell us on a weekly - if not daily - basis.
Whats the worst that can happen ?
see you in May
Dont worry, Your "world superstar" should be able to come back on one leg and still score more than the little local lad you`ve been teling everyone is fucken worthless for as long as I can rememeber.
Gavin
Other than express disgust at the constant bile and deliberately misleading stats thrown up about Anichebe on so many threads - most of which have been totaly unrelated - I dont think I`ve spoken about him. . .so not sure where you get that statement from.
Relax Guys.You seem kinda nervous.
You have your two world superstars up against the two local boys who are so utterly utterly shite . . .you two have felt the need to come on and tell us on a weekly - if not daily - basis.
Whats the worst that can happen ?
see you in May
Peter OBrien
54 Posted 03/09/2011 at 08:32:29
54 Posted 03/09/2011 at 08:32:29
Nice article Scott,
Excuse the self indulgence here but i had the misfortune of dealing with Kenright many years ago at the Empire theatre. His productions were put together in the most tight arse of fashion and it was always left to others to embellish at their cost or the show would go under, nothing changes does it!
I bet he is not short of any coin as he takes the club ever closer to fiscal ruin. It is obvious that the upper echelons are not performance managed as the the inability for the figures to ever add up defy belief. No one denies his love for EFC but in no way is the board, or he, up to the job of running a team that still does well against all adversity, but through no effective management of theirs!
Excuse the self indulgence here but i had the misfortune of dealing with Kenright many years ago at the Empire theatre. His productions were put together in the most tight arse of fashion and it was always left to others to embellish at their cost or the show would go under, nothing changes does it!
I bet he is not short of any coin as he takes the club ever closer to fiscal ruin. It is obvious that the upper echelons are not performance managed as the the inability for the figures to ever add up defy belief. No one denies his love for EFC but in no way is the board, or he, up to the job of running a team that still does well against all adversity, but through no effective management of theirs!
Gavin Ramejkis
55 Posted 03/09/2011 at 10:33:27
55 Posted 03/09/2011 at 10:33:27
Dave a stat is a stat, but if it upsets you dont read, am sure you have a tv remote at home that lets you turn off the tv when you're not interested
See you in May
See you in May
jacqui moore
56 Posted 03/09/2011 at 10:43:52
56 Posted 03/09/2011 at 10:43:52
Gavin, I will also give £10.00 to a cancer charity as big Vic will not score more than Tony Hibbert. Why, because I agree with you that he is shite. I feel more upset that Anichebe is going to be upfront for the majority of the season than loosing Arteta.
Stephen Kenny
57 Posted 03/09/2011 at 13:16:01
57 Posted 03/09/2011 at 13:16:01
Dave, you seem to know your stuff but I reckon your on a hiding there mate.
I respect you for putting your money where your mouth is though, PLENTY THAT WOULDN'T!!!
I respect you for putting your money where your mouth is though, PLENTY THAT WOULDN'T!!!
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