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The 216th Merseyside Derby: Stats Preview
By Luke O'Farrell :: 29/09/2011
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I have collected some stats ahead of Saturday's game that people may find interesting, useful etc: - This is the 216th meeting between the sides, making it the most played fixture in English football.
- Liverpool have the edge with 85 wins to Everton?s 66 and there have been 64 draws.
- Since the Premier League?s creation, the fixture holds the record for the most red cards with 19.
- The longest unbeaten derby run is Everton?s in 14 matches from 1941 to 1952.
- The longest unbeaten derby run, away from home, is Everton?s in 16 matches from 1899 to 1920.
- The longest winning run, away from home, is Everton?s 7 consecutive wins at Anfield from 1908 to 1915.
- Tim Cahill has now gone 15 games without a goal, his longest drought in 6 years.
- Tim Cahill has had 11 attempts on goal this season; and is still to score.
- Tim Cahill?s 5 league derby goals is the most by an Everton player since Dixie Dean.
- Tim Cahill?s 5 goals against Liverpool have come in just 11 games.
- Marouane Fellaini has conceded 12 free kicks in his last 3 games.
- Tony Hibbert will equal Duncan Ferguson?s club Premier League record of 16 derby appearances, if he plays on Saturday.
- Should Hibbert fail to score on Saturday, he will equal Brian Labone?s record of 278 games without a goal.
- Everton have lost just 1 game at home, in the league, in 10 months.
- Everton have lost only 1 of their last 14 Premier League home games.
- Everton have picked up 6 of their 7 points up against teams in the bottom half.
- Everton are trying for a 3rd successive derby without defeat ? it would be their best run in 13 years.
- Everton haven?t lost back-to-back league games for 65 matches.
- Saturday will be David Moyes?s 10th consecutive season as a manager in the Derby; a feat matched only by Harry Catterick and Bill Shankly.
- Saturday?s referee, Martin Atkinson, has given out 14 red cards since the start of last season; the most out of all the referees.
- Everton have won just 1 of the last 9 Merseyside derbies in the league.
- Dirk Kuyt has scored in his last 3 derbies and has 5 in total against Everton.
- Liverpool have kept just 1 clean sheet in their last 7 Premier League away games.
- Liverpool have failed to score in 3 of their last 4 Premier League away games.
- Liverpool haven?t won an away game, outside of London, since March.
- This fixture at Goodison has ended 2-0 in each of the last 3 seasons.
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Peter Laing
2 Posted 29/09/2011 at 17:19:42
2 Posted 29/09/2011 at 17:19:42
Let's make some new stats and history on Saturday and play with the pride, passion and attacking prowess required to slay the old enemy, COYB-Kopites are gobshites
Gerry Quinn
3 Posted 29/09/2011 at 17:30:31
3 Posted 29/09/2011 at 17:30:31
Peter - good one - and, yes, ALL Koppites are Gobshites.
I have been praying to every God, (including Alex Young) that we stuff them totally - and if necessary, I would die a very happy man on Saturday night if we do!
"Please let us win, let us win well, and - no, hang on - I will forego the dying bit, would it really be worth that?"
I have been praying to every God, (including Alex Young) that we stuff them totally - and if necessary, I would die a very happy man on Saturday night if we do!
"Please let us win, let us win well, and - no, hang on - I will forego the dying bit, would it really be worth that?"
Nick Entwistle
4 Posted 29/09/2011 at 17:35:03
4 Posted 29/09/2011 at 17:35:03
Anyone noticed the over-use of stats by commentators? I think its helped the decline of real wordsmiths adding to the experience, now they all sound prosaic, relying on the tonne of stats delivered on computer to supposedly entertain us.
Least favourite commentators:
Jonathan Pierce and Clive Tyldesley
And why not so much Motty anymore? Too old for BBC? And one stat you've missed. Steve Gerrard is a capital C of the highest order.
Least favourite commentators:
Jonathan Pierce and Clive Tyldesley
And why not so much Motty anymore? Too old for BBC? And one stat you've missed. Steve Gerrard is a capital C of the highest order.
Sam Hoare
5 Posted 29/09/2011 at 18:04:04
5 Posted 29/09/2011 at 18:04:04
'Everton haven't lost back-to-back league games for 65 matches.'
We may moan about his negativity but that stat says a lot for him. It's losing streaks that get teams relegated and we've certainly had a lot less of them since Moyes took over.
He's far from perfect, but he's done some decent work in his time with us.
We may moan about his negativity but that stat says a lot for him. It's losing streaks that get teams relegated and we've certainly had a lot less of them since Moyes took over.
He's far from perfect, but he's done some decent work in his time with us.
Trevor Mackie
6 Posted 29/09/2011 at 18:04:45
6 Posted 29/09/2011 at 18:04:45
Thought the important stat was money.
Every man and his dog has been on here saying that's the deal.
Isn't this one of those games? - they have more money - we concede the field..... we get beat......
or should we try and do something about it because it's Liverpool?
Every man and his dog has been on here saying that's the deal.
Isn't this one of those games? - they have more money - we concede the field..... we get beat......
or should we try and do something about it because it's Liverpool?
James Morgan
7 Posted 29/09/2011 at 18:23:58
7 Posted 29/09/2011 at 18:23:58
Fair point, Trevor. We should get at every team with a complete lack of respect regardless of who they are and how much they have spent.
Nick, I'll be honest, I can't stand John Motson. I think he is an awful commentator.
"...and he shoots..but oh, oh, well...it's took a deflection....well"
Nick, I'll be honest, I can't stand John Motson. I think he is an awful commentator.
"...and he shoots..but oh, oh, well...it's took a deflection....well"
Brian Hill
8 Posted 29/09/2011 at 19:05:20
8 Posted 29/09/2011 at 19:05:20
Luke, I think the most played fixture is Everton v Aston Villa, maybe you mean the most played derby?
Dave Lynch
9 Posted 29/09/2011 at 19:10:17
9 Posted 29/09/2011 at 19:10:17
Ah! The old stats argument, stats can be manipulated.
For instance: 18% of all accidents are caused by drunk drivers, therefore the other 82% are caused by sober drivers. So statistically you are better off driving drunk?
Stuff stats and let's just go out there and tear them a new one.
Michael Kenrick
10 Posted 29/09/2011 at 19:57:10
10 Posted 29/09/2011 at 19:57:10
Brian (#8), I thought that too... but I'm thinking this is all fixtures including cup games. The Villa record is for most played league fixture, I think. We've played these bastards a lot in the cup... perhaps more than Villa. I'd get my books out but I'm eating my dinner...
Dave Lynch
11 Posted 29/09/2011 at 20:29:53
11 Posted 29/09/2011 at 20:29:53
You can tell derby day is looming lads.
Angst is starting to creep into posts.
Angst is starting to creep into posts.
Craig Wilson
12 Posted 29/09/2011 at 20:31:29
12 Posted 29/09/2011 at 20:31:29
Only 2 more sleepless nights to go..........and a very drunk 3rd night regardless, celebrating hopfully and not drinking to forget!!!!!!
Darren Smith
13 Posted 29/09/2011 at 20:37:51
13 Posted 29/09/2011 at 20:37:51
I am a season ticket holder; just wondering why they are still tickets for the game? Before I got my season ticket, you could never get hold of tickets. I hope there are not 1000s of them redshite twats in the home end.
John Audsley
14 Posted 29/09/2011 at 20:46:32
14 Posted 29/09/2011 at 20:46:32
Oh gawd, I fuckin hate derbies
I really do!!!!!!!!!!!
Red CUNTS.
I really do!!!!!!!!!!!
Red CUNTS.
Luke O'Farrell
15 Posted 29/09/2011 at 20:54:50
15 Posted 29/09/2011 at 20:54:50
#8 Brian
Just checked then, in terms of league fixtures, Everton-Villa is ahead by 1 game. However, in all competitions, the derby is the most played.
Just checked then, in terms of league fixtures, Everton-Villa is ahead by 1 game. However, in all competitions, the derby is the most played.
Luke O'Farrell
16 Posted 29/09/2011 at 21:26:05
16 Posted 29/09/2011 at 21:26:05
#1 John
I've had a quick look around the web and Moyes' and Catterick's derby records are surprisingly pretty similar.
Moyes P20 W4 D6 L10
Catterick P25 W8 D7 L10
Catterick lost his last 3 as manager and one of Moyes' 4 wins was the cup win in extra time; not sure if that counts or not..
I've had a quick look around the web and Moyes' and Catterick's derby records are surprisingly pretty similar.
Moyes P20 W4 D6 L10
Catterick P25 W8 D7 L10
Catterick lost his last 3 as manager and one of Moyes' 4 wins was the cup win in extra time; not sure if that counts or not..
Mike Hughes
17 Posted 29/09/2011 at 21:16:33
17 Posted 29/09/2011 at 21:16:33
We'll stuff them.
With the early kick-off, Carroll will still be pissed from the night before.
Suarez will injure himself diving in the warm-up.
Gerrard's groin will hopefully fall off in front of the Gwladys Street end and be hoofed into the Park End by Jags.
Dalglish will be history by 5pm Saturday. Stress.
Cahill, Osman and a 25 yard left-footed volley from Tony Hibbert.
Can't wait for the DVD to come out :)
With the early kick-off, Carroll will still be pissed from the night before.
Suarez will injure himself diving in the warm-up.
Gerrard's groin will hopefully fall off in front of the Gwladys Street end and be hoofed into the Park End by Jags.
Dalglish will be history by 5pm Saturday. Stress.
Cahill, Osman and a 25 yard left-footed volley from Tony Hibbert.
Can't wait for the DVD to come out :)
Colin Wainwright
18 Posted 29/09/2011 at 22:05:29
18 Posted 29/09/2011 at 22:05:29
Mike. Can a groin fall off?
If it can, I hope it fuckin happens to that smug, sanctimonious, sad excuse of a fuckin cheating gobshite.
Just hope Jags sends it into the upper bullens. Wee present for the Norwegians.
If it can, I hope it fuckin happens to that smug, sanctimonious, sad excuse of a fuckin cheating gobshite.
Just hope Jags sends it into the upper bullens. Wee present for the Norwegians.
Jon Cox
19 Posted 29/09/2011 at 22:14:32
19 Posted 29/09/2011 at 22:14:32
51% of people thought that they were in the majority.
Mike Hughes
20 Posted 29/09/2011 at 22:32:36
20 Posted 29/09/2011 at 22:32:36
Colin,
Referring to my medical dictionary (ten bob from Greaty Market), "the groin is an area around the nadgers" and has never been known to fall off.
However, I agree with you, it would be a nice present for our Norwegian friends to have a medical first.
Might wipe the smug, self-important crease off that cheating gets forehead.
Referring to my medical dictionary (ten bob from Greaty Market), "the groin is an area around the nadgers" and has never been known to fall off.
However, I agree with you, it would be a nice present for our Norwegian friends to have a medical first.
Might wipe the smug, self-important crease off that cheating gets forehead.
Dalziel Kane
21 Posted 29/09/2011 at 22:28:23
21 Posted 29/09/2011 at 22:28:23
It's worth mentioning that today is the 30th anniversary of Bill Shankly's death, 29th September 1981, and the 'great' man, and I say that because he 'was' a colossal amongst men, passed away after a heart attack in a Liverpool hospital.
While Shanks was a unique and colorful individual, I feel he was responsible for turning the miserable fucks into the force they were to become and in to the 60s and 70s and so on. Sorry to say it, but he was a giant amongst men, and the game did lose a great 30 years ago today.
Now, before anyone accuses me of Livershite favoritism, you can rest assured I will be in blue colors at the weekend, every weekend as it happens, although every week hasn't been as enjoyable as one would hope, but anything can happen in a derby game. Both teams have had their problems and form goes right out the proverbial window on matchday when the city clashes. Surely Moyes will realize ahead of time to take this game with an attacking objective?
While Shanks was a unique and colorful individual, I feel he was responsible for turning the miserable fucks into the force they were to become and in to the 60s and 70s and so on. Sorry to say it, but he was a giant amongst men, and the game did lose a great 30 years ago today.
Now, before anyone accuses me of Livershite favoritism, you can rest assured I will be in blue colors at the weekend, every weekend as it happens, although every week hasn't been as enjoyable as one would hope, but anything can happen in a derby game. Both teams have had their problems and form goes right out the proverbial window on matchday when the city clashes. Surely Moyes will realize ahead of time to take this game with an attacking objective?
Plenty has been said (and read) about the performance and tactics last weekend, and you have to imagine Moyes will go out to win, not being funny, and get a result against these fucking beauts. Liverpool have shown on occasion their defensive deficiencies thus far and what's to say we can't approach this game with an attacking mentality and just play to our strengths and beat this opposition this weekend? I don't see any reason why not... many people thought Dalglish would be a boost to shite fortunes after Hodgson ? did I miss something?
All said, it's another derby fixture, anything can happen and most probably will, another fun two hours spent, cursing, sweating, jumping up and down and giving advice on 'favorite' players home and away. It should be a good day, even more so if I see some attackers attacking and goals in the redshite net.
It's simple, Moyes goes out to win, we beat these pricks, get a much morale-boosting victory, rub some shite noses in it, and I can have a few sherbets Saturday night/Sunday morning.
Sorry, should of said 'We can', was being selfish :/
Michael Kenrick
22 Posted 29/09/2011 at 23:00:03
22 Posted 29/09/2011 at 23:00:03
Jaysus... I do hope you haven't just jinxed us. What Evertonian goes around with the anniversary of Bill Shankly's death tattooed on the inside of his skull? I don't even know what day my dad died... and I think it may well have been around September 1981. I know... Shameful.
Was I meant to be praying for his soul all this time? (No, Not Bill Shankly's)
Trevor Mackie
23 Posted 29/09/2011 at 23:03:09
23 Posted 29/09/2011 at 23:03:09
Dalziel
Shanks was the greatest manager of all.
He took a no mark club, second by some distance in their own city and turned the football world upside down entirely by his own force of character.
Every trophy they've won, every last minute come from behind and galling self belief the club has is down to him.
I hated him as a kid- as an adult I pray a reincarnation will appear - in blue.
Shanks was the greatest manager of all.
He took a no mark club, second by some distance in their own city and turned the football world upside down entirely by his own force of character.
Every trophy they've won, every last minute come from behind and galling self belief the club has is down to him.
I hated him as a kid- as an adult I pray a reincarnation will appear - in blue.
Dalziel Kane
24 Posted 29/09/2011 at 23:17:33
24 Posted 29/09/2011 at 23:17:33
I actually felt a little embarrassed bringing up the Shankly anniversary, but there's no ambiguity about what half of the city I follow or who I want to win at the weekend, I sincerely hope 100 per cent we beat those fucks, but as said, Shanks was a one off and I thought we warranted a mention, and he did turn the Anfield club into the force they were to become, before he arrived they were generally a mediocre outfit not up to much, but for any animosty I have towards the red half I wouldn;t wish any health reversal on any supporters or club personnel such as he suffered.
Incidentally, I did a very well written article on the passing of one William Ralph Dean last March on a rival Everton site to mark HIS 30th anniversary passing, and I found myself running out of superlatives for the player.
Just very good and relevant past soccer figures, love them or hate them, but deserves some recognition. that's all.
Incidentally, I did a very well written article on the passing of one William Ralph Dean last March on a rival Everton site to mark HIS 30th anniversary passing, and I found myself running out of superlatives for the player.
Just very good and relevant past soccer figures, love them or hate them, but deserves some recognition. that's all.
Brendan McLaughlin
25 Posted 29/09/2011 at 23:25:51
25 Posted 29/09/2011 at 23:25:51
"Shanks was the greatest manager of all"
FFS! How pissed am I...I meant to log on to an Everton fansite & obviously ended up on a red shite!
FFS! How pissed am I...I meant to log on to an Everton fansite & obviously ended up on a red shite!
Trevor Mackie
26 Posted 29/09/2011 at 23:40:12
26 Posted 29/09/2011 at 23:40:12
Don't do yourself down Brendan....the bigger picture's always eluded you..
Adam Fenlon
28 Posted 30/09/2011 at 02:07:04
28 Posted 30/09/2011 at 02:07:04
How could the fixture have ended 2-0 the the last three seasons if we've only won 1 of 9 in the league? Which one's wrong?
Matt Parks
29 Posted 30/09/2011 at 04:03:14
29 Posted 30/09/2011 at 04:03:14
The only fact you need to know is this one - kopites are gobshites
Gary Mortimer
30 Posted 30/09/2011 at 08:03:01
30 Posted 30/09/2011 at 08:03:01
Adam
@26 - Unfortunately we lost 2008-09 & 2009-10 home derbies 2-0.
Our main chance of winning is if we try to exploit their most obvious weakness, which is the centre of their defence.
Just hope DM is brave enough to play a striker and to send the boys out to give it a go...
@26 - Unfortunately we lost 2008-09 & 2009-10 home derbies 2-0.
Our main chance of winning is if we try to exploit their most obvious weakness, which is the centre of their defence.
Just hope DM is brave enough to play a striker and to send the boys out to give it a go...
Robbie Shields
31 Posted 30/09/2011 at 08:42:12
31 Posted 30/09/2011 at 08:42:12
Amazing this isn't it, it wasn't long ago we were hoping Moyes was brave enough to play 2 up front at home, now we are hoping he is brave enough to play 1 up front at home against the shite!!!!!!! And who says our expectations are being lowered.
Stephen Kenny
32 Posted 30/09/2011 at 09:11:48
32 Posted 30/09/2011 at 09:11:48
Mike,
None of that needs to happen for us to win, our first 11's better than theirs.
Trevor,
Very true comment about BS. Just a shame some of our fans don't believe that could happen for us if we found the right man. I used to think it was Moyes at one point, funnily enough.
None of that needs to happen for us to win, our first 11's better than theirs.
Trevor,
Very true comment about BS. Just a shame some of our fans don't believe that could happen for us if we found the right man. I used to think it was Moyes at one point, funnily enough.
Dave Richman
33 Posted 30/09/2011 at 09:25:05
33 Posted 30/09/2011 at 09:25:05
81.982% of all statistics are totally made up
Eric Myles
34 Posted 30/09/2011 at 11:26:58
34 Posted 30/09/2011 at 11:26:58
Shankly may have been a redshite manager but at least he had class, unlike a certain recent manager of theirs that it's beneathus to even write his name.
Luke O'Farrell
36 Posted 30/09/2011 at 13:03:56
36 Posted 30/09/2011 at 13:03:56
If people believe in omens... We've played Liverpool 3 times, on 1st October, and we've won all 3 so far.
Brendan O'Doherty
37 Posted 30/09/2011 at 14:11:53
37 Posted 30/09/2011 at 14:11:53
Fail to see where all this Shankly love is coming from given the derogatory comments he made about Everton Football Club.
Draw the curtains Bill? So would I if your lot were playing at the bottom of MY garden.
I won't even quote his '2 clubs in Liverpool' comment, it is that pathetic.
Draw the curtains Bill? So would I if your lot were playing at the bottom of MY garden.
I won't even quote his '2 clubs in Liverpool' comment, it is that pathetic.
Ben Howard
38 Posted 30/09/2011 at 15:53:05
38 Posted 30/09/2011 at 15:53:05
"Gerrard's groin will hopefully fall off in front of the Gwladys Street end and be hoofed into the Park End by Jags."
Ha ha ha, classice line Mike, nice one!
Ha ha ha, classice line Mike, nice one!
Kevin Hudson
39 Posted 30/09/2011 at 16:05:21
39 Posted 30/09/2011 at 16:05:21
I think people had a sense of humour back in those days, Brendan..
Eugene Ruane
40 Posted 30/09/2011 at 15:48:08
40 Posted 30/09/2011 at 15:48:08
Lot of time for Shankly.
Yes he made 'derogatory' comments about Everton, but ONLY when manager of Liverpool (and even then they were 'jokey' and not the Benitez-type classless insults).
Fact is though, once he'd finished with them, he probably spent more time with us (coz fat Bob didn't want him shoving his oar in over there - fair enough I suppose).
He was a person who, when talking in none-football general terms, always spoke of the 'Liverpool people' and 'the people of this city' in the most glowing of terms (rare even back then then)
I'll never forget him saying in an interview after he'd retired (nb: I've removed all the 'ayyyes')...
"People don't talk to the people of this city the right way. You have to know the right way to talk to them. If you have a task that needs a team of people to win and you challenge me to that task, I'll choose people from this city and you can choose people from anywhere else and I guarantee you, we'll win. Get a team of people from this city, treat them the right way and they'll beat anyone from anywhere" (nb: NOT kopites, Liverpool supporters)
I couldn't STAND him when I was a kid, but the older I get, the more I realise that 'socialist' (with a small 's' - "ooh, liddle bidda politics there Mrs Thatch!") characters like him, are what football today is missing most.
Yes he could be a mouthpiece, yes he could 'play up' at times for the media, but I remember seeing him (after he had retired - 1978ish) having a kick-about with a gang of fellers on that field at the top of Eton Rd.
I was playing in a Sunday League game and at half time, we watched him (nb: he must have been around 60) running around like a fucking loon.
The team I played for were mixed (blue/white) but we absolutely ALL marveled at his performance.
(not in terms of ability or speed but just SHEER, MAD, INSANE will to win).
Having said that, my (late) mam (possibly the most biased Evertonian I have ever met) couldn't stick him - "Here he is, funny guts....the Orange get!")
(nb: there was NEVER a religious word from Shankly but my mother was Irish and it was..erm... a 'funny time')
Yes he made 'derogatory' comments about Everton, but ONLY when manager of Liverpool (and even then they were 'jokey' and not the Benitez-type classless insults).
Fact is though, once he'd finished with them, he probably spent more time with us (coz fat Bob didn't want him shoving his oar in over there - fair enough I suppose).
He was a person who, when talking in none-football general terms, always spoke of the 'Liverpool people' and 'the people of this city' in the most glowing of terms (rare even back then then)
I'll never forget him saying in an interview after he'd retired (nb: I've removed all the 'ayyyes')...
"People don't talk to the people of this city the right way. You have to know the right way to talk to them. If you have a task that needs a team of people to win and you challenge me to that task, I'll choose people from this city and you can choose people from anywhere else and I guarantee you, we'll win. Get a team of people from this city, treat them the right way and they'll beat anyone from anywhere" (nb: NOT kopites, Liverpool supporters)
I couldn't STAND him when I was a kid, but the older I get, the more I realise that 'socialist' (with a small 's' - "ooh, liddle bidda politics there Mrs Thatch!") characters like him, are what football today is missing most.
Yes he could be a mouthpiece, yes he could 'play up' at times for the media, but I remember seeing him (after he had retired - 1978ish) having a kick-about with a gang of fellers on that field at the top of Eton Rd.
I was playing in a Sunday League game and at half time, we watched him (nb: he must have been around 60) running around like a fucking loon.
The team I played for were mixed (blue/white) but we absolutely ALL marveled at his performance.
(not in terms of ability or speed but just SHEER, MAD, INSANE will to win).
Having said that, my (late) mam (possibly the most biased Evertonian I have ever met) couldn't stick him - "Here he is, funny guts....the Orange get!")
(nb: there was NEVER a religious word from Shankly but my mother was Irish and it was..erm... a 'funny time')
Eugene Ruane
41 Posted 30/09/2011 at 16:27:36
41 Posted 30/09/2011 at 16:27:36
Blue/white!?
Blue/red of COURSE.
Blue/red of COURSE.
Luke O'Farrell
42 Posted 30/09/2011 at 18:27:20
42 Posted 30/09/2011 at 18:27:20
#35 Brendan
He also said:
"I have been received more warmly by Everton than I have by Liverpool. It is scandalous that I should have to write these things about the club that I helped build into what it is today."
He also said:
"I have been received more warmly by Everton than I have by Liverpool. It is scandalous that I should have to write these things about the club that I helped build into what it is today."
Jon Cox
43 Posted 30/09/2011 at 18:15:21
43 Posted 30/09/2011 at 18:15:21
Wining the lottery, about 5-7 mill.
Beating the scumbags, 3-4 nil, Dogleish doing a runner and resigning (LIKE LAST TIME)
Priceless !
Beating the scumbags, 3-4 nil, Dogleish doing a runner and resigning (LIKE LAST TIME)
Priceless !
Kevin Tully
44 Posted 30/09/2011 at 18:58:00
44 Posted 30/09/2011 at 18:58:00
We can go 5th tomorrow if we beat the shower of shite. After listening to their supporters saying they will challenge for the league, I have got every redshite I know on speed dial. £100m spent and dogleash going radio rental - come on you blue boys.
Their pact with the devil has expired, they are not famous anymore, they are shitting themselves.
Please Jim, fix it for me.
Their pact with the devil has expired, they are not famous anymore, they are shitting themselves.
Please Jim, fix it for me.
Brendan O'Doherty
45 Posted 30/09/2011 at 19:09:39
45 Posted 30/09/2011 at 19:09:39
Sorry lads still haven't time for the man who built the shite into what they became, which has had a direct effect on the fortunes of my football club, and which we are feeling to this day. Maybe we weren't discussing this on the day before the derby I might be be more ambivalent, but the fires are stoked for tomorrow. COME ON BLUES.
PS His '2 clubs in Liverpool/Liverpool Reserves' comment may have meant to have been funny, but unfortunately today there are plaques adorning this comment on display on shop windows, which is why I feel ill whenever I see it.
PS His '2 clubs in Liverpool/Liverpool Reserves' comment may have meant to have been funny, but unfortunately today there are plaques adorning this comment on display on shop windows, which is why I feel ill whenever I see it.
Jim Burns
46 Posted 30/09/2011 at 19:38:49
46 Posted 30/09/2011 at 19:38:49
With only hours to go, there is no way anything that fucking resembles the colour red should be described as anything other than the colour of shite.
My biggest worry is the twat in the middle with the itchy fingers and the one -eyed red contact lense....
My biggest worry is the twat in the middle with the itchy fingers and the one -eyed red contact lense....
Eugene Ruane
47 Posted 30/09/2011 at 19:41:29
47 Posted 30/09/2011 at 19:41:29
Brendan - Couple of things. 1) The 'Liverpool reserves' quote (nb: hardly calling us a shower of cunts) was made in the 60's. 2) If 'The Cat' had made it about them, we'd all be wearing it on t-shirts (seriously, get a fucking grip - wood, trees etc).
Brendan O'Doherty
48 Posted 30/09/2011 at 20:01:18
48 Posted 30/09/2011 at 20:01:18
It's the day before a derby, and you Eugene, are telling me to "get a fucking grip," because I am not feeling particularly sentimental towards the a former manager of the redshite.
Sorry, but....
Sorry, but....
Kevin Hudson
49 Posted 30/09/2011 at 20:09:45
49 Posted 30/09/2011 at 20:09:45
Maybe you don't understand Scouse humour, Brendan. Shankley did. As did Gordon West with the Kop's handbag gag.
As I said - people used to have a sense of humour.
As I said - people used to have a sense of humour.
Colin Hughes
50 Posted 30/09/2011 at 20:28:20
50 Posted 30/09/2011 at 20:28:20
Stop goin on about Shankley, if you like the gobshite so much, go and praise him on another website, this is a everton only site
Jeff Armstrong
51 Posted 30/09/2011 at 20:28:23
51 Posted 30/09/2011 at 20:28:23
Dalziel# "I did a very well written article myself" nothing like self praise is there?
Nick Entwistle
52 Posted 30/09/2011 at 20:45:08
52 Posted 30/09/2011 at 20:45:08
Last time there was a derby on the same day England played in the RWC, it was the Clattenburg debacle. Just saying...
Trevor Mackie
53 Posted 30/09/2011 at 21:05:29
53 Posted 30/09/2011 at 21:05:29
If it's any solace Brendan the "2 teams" quote is not original, I come across it somewhere else pre-dating Shanks but fucked if I can remember where.
The real pain of it all was the challenge he issued to this club was never truly met.
Post Shankly, Clough, who called the RS thievin bastards and then Fergie showed them no respect meeting fire with fire and look at the difference.
Watching Moyes you see the polar opposite.
The real pain of it all was the challenge he issued to this club was never truly met.
Post Shankly, Clough, who called the RS thievin bastards and then Fergie showed them no respect meeting fire with fire and look at the difference.
Watching Moyes you see the polar opposite.
Colin Grierson
54 Posted 30/09/2011 at 21:55:59
54 Posted 30/09/2011 at 21:55:59
As I settle down to watch the derby at the local rugby club (the boozer is full of Nordics) my sphincter will begin to twitch.
Will DM surprise me and try to WIN the game (It would be a first for a home fixture this season). Will he try and park the bus as he has already waxed lyrical how good they are?
My uncle, (GRHS) the bluest of blues. once said 'if you've nothing but good to say of the shite, say nothing at all.' So DM just fuckin stop it!
I listened to Lawrenson tellin us to be careful what we wish for regarding DM and the 'time for a change' chorus. He used Curbishley and Charlton as an example. I nearly crashed the fuckin car, the condescending, camera glancing, row of fuckin tents that he is!
I hope DM grows a pair and goes for the twats tomorrow. If he shows them the respect that he has QPR, and WIgan then I fear the worst.
Kopites are indeed gobshites! Come on you Blues!
Will DM surprise me and try to WIN the game (It would be a first for a home fixture this season). Will he try and park the bus as he has already waxed lyrical how good they are?
My uncle, (GRHS) the bluest of blues. once said 'if you've nothing but good to say of the shite, say nothing at all.' So DM just fuckin stop it!
I listened to Lawrenson tellin us to be careful what we wish for regarding DM and the 'time for a change' chorus. He used Curbishley and Charlton as an example. I nearly crashed the fuckin car, the condescending, camera glancing, row of fuckin tents that he is!
I hope DM grows a pair and goes for the twats tomorrow. If he shows them the respect that he has QPR, and WIgan then I fear the worst.
Kopites are indeed gobshites! Come on you Blues!
Kevin Hudson
55 Posted 30/09/2011 at 22:52:59
55 Posted 30/09/2011 at 22:52:59
Re - Lawrenson,
"The condescending, camera glancing, row of fuckin tents that he is!"
Thanks Colin, laughing like a drain at that one!!
Absolute pearler!
"The condescending, camera glancing, row of fuckin tents that he is!"
Thanks Colin, laughing like a drain at that one!!
Absolute pearler!
Danny Burke
56 Posted 01/10/2011 at 11:41:57
56 Posted 01/10/2011 at 11:41:57
Let's get at the bastards today and get points! COYB!!!
With regards to Shankly, Lawrensen or any other ex-Redshite, they can kiss my Royal Blue bumhole!
With regards to Shankly, Lawrensen or any other ex-Redshite, they can kiss my Royal Blue bumhole!
Andy Crooks
58 Posted 01/10/2011 at 15:22:52
58 Posted 01/10/2011 at 15:22:52
Eugene, post 38 is one of the best things I've read on this site. You make what is complicated simple.
Ray Roche
60 Posted 02/10/2011 at 17:43:50
60 Posted 02/10/2011 at 17:43:50
Eugene Ruane @38.
I agree with much of what you have written there about Shankly, but Liverpool have not been fair or respectfull to their "own", like Shanks being ushered out of Melwood, but welcomed at Bellfield where, as I recall, he joined in with our youth players in games. That must have been some experience for them.There is a piece about Ronnie Whelan in todays Times for instance who feels let down by the RS's attitude to him before he left .
Eugene Ruane @45.
The "two teams in Liverpool" crack precedes Shankly by years. I'm in my 60's and my arl fella used that joke when I was a kid and before Shankly even joined the RS, like the other crack which the press have given to Shankly supposedly in the barbers..."Anything off the top,sir?"
"Yes.Everton" ..that was in the days when we were top. Shankly was always good "copy" for journalists and that is one reason why he was so popular with the press. Catterick, on the other hand...
I agree with much of what you have written there about Shankly, but Liverpool have not been fair or respectfull to their "own", like Shanks being ushered out of Melwood, but welcomed at Bellfield where, as I recall, he joined in with our youth players in games. That must have been some experience for them.There is a piece about Ronnie Whelan in todays Times for instance who feels let down by the RS's attitude to him before he left .
Eugene Ruane @45.
The "two teams in Liverpool" crack precedes Shankly by years. I'm in my 60's and my arl fella used that joke when I was a kid and before Shankly even joined the RS, like the other crack which the press have given to Shankly supposedly in the barbers..."Anything off the top,sir?"
"Yes.Everton" ..that was in the days when we were top. Shankly was always good "copy" for journalists and that is one reason why he was so popular with the press. Catterick, on the other hand...
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1 Posted 29/09/2011 at 16:58:30
What's his win ratio compared to the other two? Genuine question. I can only think of three league wins off the top of my head.
"Everton have won just 1 of the last 9 Merseyside derbies in the league". That's pathetic when taking into account how shit that lot have been over recent years.
"Liverpool have the edge with 85 wins to Everton?s 66 and there have been 64 draws."
Doesn't seem that long ago when it was almost neck and neck.
"Everton haven?t lost back-to-back league games for 65 matches."
Shit.
The sad thing is I used to love derby games. These days I can't stand them. The fact we've either been wank or been robbed obviously has something to do with it, along with the increased animosity and accursed early kick off. I'm gonna look like fucking Worzel Gummidge wandering into Wetherspoons at 9am but it's the only way I can cope these days.