Season 2011-12 Fan Articles
I can't take much more of this
By Matthew Lovekin :: 02/10/2011
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I am and have been a proud and fanatical Everton fan for as long as I can remember, which is close to 30 years. I have seen the highs of an FA Cup Final win, trips into Europe and competitively competing in the transfer market and at the right end of the league table. The lows have been staring relegation in the face on the last day of the season.
However, it now feels like an all-time low. The reason is, that now, there is no hope... nothing to aim for, no future. As a club we are merely plodding along the highway of the Premier League, being overtaken by faster cars in the outside lane.
We have a chairman whose business decisions are so incompetent that he would be laughed out the room straight away by Alan Sugar on The Apprentice or by The Dragons. Kenwright?s cock-ups have included the spending of the never materialised NTL money, the Trevor Birch appointment/resignation, and the Kirkby ground move. There have also been the broken promises of the Fortress Sports Fund and the Walton Lane development, not to mention the biggest of all ? the Kings Dock disappointment.
There was also the player contract fiascos of Nyarko and Gosling. I don?t doubt Kenwright?s commitment to the club that he has also supported from a young age, but his refusal to sell the club to anyone other than a billionaire Evertonian who is prepared to waste his fortune is doing more harm than good as well as covering up his diabolical business decisions.
As mentioned, at least Kenwright is an Everton fan; we could?ve ended up doing a Leeds or Portsmouth with a new owner. Perhaps we are worse off? Those clubs will at least rise from the ashes one day. Everton have simply stagnated and therefore have nothing to play for.
It is not just our Chairman that gives us no hope. We have a manager that, despite getting all the plaudits for keeping us in the Premier League, plays the most defensive and mind-numbing football I can remember. There are barely no strikers in the squad following a list of previously ruined forwards. There are no playmakers and no creativity in the squad and not much pace either.
There is nothing in David Moyes?s workmanlike squad to get excited about. We develop a few good youngsters that either get poached by the bigger clubs or Moyes will refuse to give a decent chance. Ross Barkley impressed in his short time on the pitch then gets benched for the next few games. Vellios impresses but only gets ten minutes at a time, so Moyes can keep his favourite players happy.
If Everton are to stagnate or slowly decline, at least do it by trying to play decent football like Wigan or try to be entertaining like Blackpool. You never know, we might even improve with a few strikers, wingers or playmakers in the team! Moyes sent out a team away to Man City to simply get a 0-0 draw. When Rodwell got sent off yesterday, there was no Plan B, just get everyone apart from Saha behind the ball and defend for as long as possible.
I got fed up of watching England play after the last World Cup. They are simply a bunch of overpaid, overhyped, prima donnas that give the impression they don?t give a toss playing for their country.
I lost interest in the Premier League last season with the emergence of Man City. How or why can an average yo-yo club with hardly any history soon become the best team in the country if not Europe simply by spending billions that they don?t have? What other business would allow their company to spend an obscene amount of money, never likely to retrieve it, just for the fun of it?
It is purely fantasy football, played by Russians, Arabs and Americans with nothing better to spend their money on. It is not sport anymore, it is barely even a business now, it?s simply a joke. It may be fine if you are a fan of a top team challenging for honours, but being a fan of Everton, there is nothing to cheer. I?m sure fans of Bolton, Sunderland, Fulham and Blackburn feel the same.
For about a year now, I?ve simply been concentrating on Everton?s results on a match-by-match basis, almost like every game is a cup game, a one-off. I haven?t looked at the Premier League table; it?s of no importance to me. Everton won?t compete for the title, we won?t even challenge to get into Europe for the foreseeable future, it?s just a case of not getting too close to the relegation zone.
The last straw came yesterday. It?s bad enough with the football authorities (Premier League) conspiring against us but now we have the match officials blatantly against us as well. How anyone can say Rodwell?s tackle was a red card is a mystery. Even Souness said it wasn?t a red card. Justice should be Atkinson coming out publicly and saying he made a mistake, or the Premier League saying he made a mistake and suspending him for a time.
Even the FA knew what Clattenburg did was wrong as he hasn?t taken charge of an Everton game since, but they still didn?t come out publicly and say he did wrong. It?s because it?s Everton, we get pushed under the carpet by the FA and the Premier League. Why has Moyes lost his bottle speaking out against the FA? Moyes should criticise Atkinson on Sky Sports, in the media, anywhere he can, like he did with Clattenburg, until he gets an apology. So what if he gets a fine? He gets paid enough in his contract to be able to afford a fine.
I would rather have a manager like Holloway in charge who has strikers in the squad, because he knows you need to score goals to win games. Even if those strikers aren?t good enough for the Premier League, they are still going to score more goals than the options Moyes has at the moment. Holloway would also come out and berate the ref for a performance like that yesterday and take the fine. If it happened regularly enough, which is does to Everton, the FA would have to look into why it regularly keeps happening.
I know I?ll get criticised for wanting a manager like Holloway because he has suffered a relegation, but perhaps a relegation is what Everton need. Relegation might force Kenwright to leave; if not, it might force him to drastically reshape the club. For example, put a club wages cap of 50% of the club?s income. After other expenses are taken out, this should leave about 20% of the income, hence a transfer budget. At least then a manager will have something to work with.
Not even Jose Mourinho could come and save Everton at the moment as there is simply no money. It really can be that simple but Kenwright is so incompetent that he can?t see it. Instead, he has just increased all the player contracts until there is no more money and the bank have rightfully said no more borrowing.
I?ve read a few articles recently on this site from ?fans? giving up or losing passion for football and Everton. Well my passion for football has gone but I can?t give up on Everton. Everton is like an addiction but something has to change, and change quick because I can?t take much more of supporting Everton ? it?s bad for my health.
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Kevin Hudson
2 Posted 02/10/2011 at 15:19:12
2 Posted 02/10/2011 at 15:19:12
Couple of points:
You state that Moyes get's all the plaudits for keeping us in the Premier league. I have never heard ONE pundit or fan praise him on that basis. Moyes's Everton have been top 4-8 for years now.
You claim that Leeds & Pompey will rise from the ashes one day, yet offer no clue as to how, and fail to acknowledge the staggering gulf between us & them.
You state that Moyes get's all the plaudits for keeping us in the Premier league. I have never heard ONE pundit or fan praise him on that basis. Moyes's Everton have been top 4-8 for years now.
You claim that Leeds & Pompey will rise from the ashes one day, yet offer no clue as to how, and fail to acknowledge the staggering gulf between us & them.
Alex Kociuba
3 Posted 02/10/2011 at 15:25:38
3 Posted 02/10/2011 at 15:25:38
Good article, completely agree with more or less everything. I think Holloway is an excellent, realistic, affordable solution too. I think most Evertonians think we're too good for him. I feel cruel talking about Moyes being replaced after spending so much time with us, but I think its critical to be realistic in the current situation we find ourselves in.
Alex Kociuba
4 Posted 02/10/2011 at 15:32:56
4 Posted 02/10/2011 at 15:32:56
The only thing I wouldn't agree with is Everton 'needing' a relegation, but I see where you're coming from. I don't think that's ever the answer.
Chris Butler
5 Posted 02/10/2011 at 15:30:30
5 Posted 02/10/2011 at 15:30:30
I have to agree with you about looking at results on match-by-match basis. To me, the table doesn't really tell you much, even a club like Liverpool who've spent millions struggled to beat the worst Everton team in years.
I don't believe referees are against Everton except when we play big teams. People say Premier League refs aren't corrupt but remember the blatant penalty should have got at Old Trafford last season. When was the last time Everton got a penalty at any of the big clubs? Would we have got a penalty at Anfield for a identical challenge? ? of course we woudn't. Even if Gerrard caught it with 2 hands on the goaline the ref would probably give them a free kick.
Sack the likes of Clattenburg, Webb and Atkinson. Webb is as corrupt as ever he never gives us anything. These derby games are being ruined by awful referees Atkinson wasn't as bad as Clattenburg but he's up there.
I don't think Liverpool played well as Kenny Dalgliesh said they struggled to open us up. For once I agree with Moyes it was 2 defensive errors that cost us the game. Hibbert is an amusing player but he's shite, he was the weak link. Saha was awful but he didn't get any service.
I don't believe referees are against Everton except when we play big teams. People say Premier League refs aren't corrupt but remember the blatant penalty should have got at Old Trafford last season. When was the last time Everton got a penalty at any of the big clubs? Would we have got a penalty at Anfield for a identical challenge? ? of course we woudn't. Even if Gerrard caught it with 2 hands on the goaline the ref would probably give them a free kick.
Sack the likes of Clattenburg, Webb and Atkinson. Webb is as corrupt as ever he never gives us anything. These derby games are being ruined by awful referees Atkinson wasn't as bad as Clattenburg but he's up there.
I don't think Liverpool played well as Kenny Dalgliesh said they struggled to open us up. For once I agree with Moyes it was 2 defensive errors that cost us the game. Hibbert is an amusing player but he's shite, he was the weak link. Saha was awful but he didn't get any service.
Jay Woods
6 Posted 02/10/2011 at 15:50:24
6 Posted 02/10/2011 at 15:50:24
Relegation might actually save us by shutting down the TV money that may (or may not) be a major factor in this strange loan situation from the BVI party that may be a major reason for the club not being sold. Just thinking in terms of the reasons for all those NDAs the club is suspected of having insisted upon in the rumoured early talks with Sheikh Mansour's people...
Brendan O'Doherty
7 Posted 02/10/2011 at 15:49:23
7 Posted 02/10/2011 at 15:49:23
Neither can I. Over 24 hours later and the pain is as raw as it was when the final whistle blew. Normally at this point I'm beginning to come to terms with it, but I just can't this time. I'd rather lose fair and square to them and it be our own fault; at least we could do something about it then, despite the probability that we would be having an almighty row on here over who or what was to blame.
This is different. The sense of injustice is palpable, and is magnified by the fact that this not the first time such a travesty has occurred. I too am starting to feel that derby weekend is bad for my health, and that in future I should maybe expect the inevitable, and be pleasantly surprised if it doesn't happen.
The game of football that we once knew is dead.
This is different. The sense of injustice is palpable, and is magnified by the fact that this not the first time such a travesty has occurred. I too am starting to feel that derby weekend is bad for my health, and that in future I should maybe expect the inevitable, and be pleasantly surprised if it doesn't happen.
The game of football that we once knew is dead.
Norman Grimwood
8 Posted 02/10/2011 at 16:03:58
8 Posted 02/10/2011 at 16:03:58
Great article, I fear that if Everton are relegated it would be many a year before they would return to the top flight, if ever. Maybe David Moyes's time at Everton has come to an end and a new face with new ideas, preferable attacking ones, is what the club needs.
Dean Peamum
9 Posted 02/10/2011 at 15:54:56
9 Posted 02/10/2011 at 15:54:56
Spot on article, Matt ? I would rather we go down fighting than tread water & finally sink slowly under. We are predictable and hard to watch, playing one up front even at home against teams we should be battering, and relying on set pieces for goals. A few injuries & suspensions and we will be in big trouble.
Anyone else think that Distin has been immense so far this season while Jags has been a disaster? He gave away a needless pen yesterday, tried to give Citeh a goal last week from a dreadful header and inexplicably walked away from the QPR striker who he was marking and who gleefully scored their winner. Maybe his head was turned by all the transfer talk.
Saha looked interested again on Saturday so why not play Vellios up front with him to support him and actually have a go?
Anyone else think that Distin has been immense so far this season while Jags has been a disaster? He gave away a needless pen yesterday, tried to give Citeh a goal last week from a dreadful header and inexplicably walked away from the QPR striker who he was marking and who gleefully scored their winner. Maybe his head was turned by all the transfer talk.
Saha looked interested again on Saturday so why not play Vellios up front with him to support him and actually have a go?
Andy Peers
10 Posted 02/10/2011 at 16:28:42
10 Posted 02/10/2011 at 16:28:42
Off topic here but what happened to the 3 potential buyers Kenwright was talking to a couple of weeks ago?
Luke Dunn
11 Posted 02/10/2011 at 16:29:44
11 Posted 02/10/2011 at 16:29:44
Jags should have been sold in the summer; once again, his lack of ability was highlighted by his poor tackling. That's the second penalty he has given away in four games. Heitinga should be in the team.
Surely there is no choice between a guy who is a regular international and played in a World Cup Final, or a Championship hoofer who is on the fringe of a crap England team.
Surely there is no choice between a guy who is a regular international and played in a World Cup Final, or a Championship hoofer who is on the fringe of a crap England team.
Jay Woods
12 Posted 02/10/2011 at 16:39:37
12 Posted 02/10/2011 at 16:39:37
@ Andy Peers: Just in case you're being serious, there's a fair chance those "3 buyers" were made-up spin from the club to defuse anger over lack of transfers in.
Andy Peers
13 Posted 02/10/2011 at 16:51:24
13 Posted 02/10/2011 at 16:51:24
Jay, not serious, just another nail in Kenwrights coffin as far as I am concerned with another lie.
Luke, I agree that Jags has been really poor and needs to go. I just wish the 15 million we might get would be put to good use but he will be sold in the same dramatic fashion that Arteta was and we won,t sign anyone.
So how much did we collect on transfer deadline day? I believe it was 15 million, right?
Luke, I agree that Jags has been really poor and needs to go. I just wish the 15 million we might get would be put to good use but he will be sold in the same dramatic fashion that Arteta was and we won,t sign anyone.
So how much did we collect on transfer deadline day? I believe it was 15 million, right?
David Hallwood
14 Posted 02/10/2011 at 17:46:22
14 Posted 02/10/2011 at 17:46:22
Chris Butler#4 posts "even a club like Liverpool who've spent millions struggled to beat the worst Everton team in years"
While jay Woods5# posts "Relegation might actually save us by shutting down the TV money that may (or may not) be a major factor "
Is this a wind up or have you two been on the beer?
The worst everton team in years? in your view the team that had Farelly, oster, Tiler, Gemmill (the wrong gemmill in fact) Joe max Moore is a better side than the current-Jeezuus!!
And Jay Woods, teams that get relegated invariably disappear without a trace and if they get back up again go right back down. have a silent word with yourselves
While jay Woods5# posts "Relegation might actually save us by shutting down the TV money that may (or may not) be a major factor "
Is this a wind up or have you two been on the beer?
The worst everton team in years? in your view the team that had Farelly, oster, Tiler, Gemmill (the wrong gemmill in fact) Joe max Moore is a better side than the current-Jeezuus!!
And Jay Woods, teams that get relegated invariably disappear without a trace and if they get back up again go right back down. have a silent word with yourselves
Martin Mason
15 Posted 02/10/2011 at 18:22:43
15 Posted 02/10/2011 at 18:22:43
Just when I think that things can't get any worse. That is here not at EFC, along comes the ultimate. Holloway as manager because he may get us relegated. Can we sink any further, as fans that is?
I watched the game yesterday and thought that for long periods we played good stuff and but for a disgraceful decision by a ref who look like he'd taken a big pay off we should have beaten a woeful Liverpool side. Our players are not bad and no matter how bad things get at the club nothing can justify some of the things our own fans are coming out with. If it is that bad for yoiu just stop going and stop watching it. The club doesn't need suicides at the moment, it needs support.
I watched the game yesterday and thought that for long periods we played good stuff and but for a disgraceful decision by a ref who look like he'd taken a big pay off we should have beaten a woeful Liverpool side. Our players are not bad and no matter how bad things get at the club nothing can justify some of the things our own fans are coming out with. If it is that bad for yoiu just stop going and stop watching it. The club doesn't need suicides at the moment, it needs support.
James Martin
16 Posted 02/10/2011 at 18:43:55
16 Posted 02/10/2011 at 18:43:55
Rather unecessary Kenwirght bashing completely away from the point of the article. On what planet is Holloway better than Moyes? Not only did he drag Blackpool down, hs best player was Charlie Adam who isn't even good enough for Liverpool. In what way would relegation do Everton any good?
Ryan Holroyd
17 Posted 02/10/2011 at 19:15:13
17 Posted 02/10/2011 at 19:15:13
Relegation would KILL us. Absolutely kill EFC it would.
Brendan McLaughlin
18 Posted 02/10/2011 at 19:24:46
18 Posted 02/10/2011 at 19:24:46
Jesus..now we are talking Holloway as the preferred manager & relegation the preferred option....FFS! Get a grip lads.
Chris Butler
19 Posted 02/10/2011 at 19:20:18
19 Posted 02/10/2011 at 19:20:18
David Hallwood. Compared to the team that we had in 2007-08 and even the 2009-10 season, now we only have 1 striker who's not even that good anyway. Moyes insists on playing Coleman depsite the fact he's lost that surprise factor he once had. He performed miracles on his debut but he's been awful this season.
We've lost the likes of Vaughan, The Yak, Pienaar, Arteta, Yobo, and Beckford. We just don't carry any attacking threat; Liverpool didn't need to work hard to beat us yesterday. It was ridiculous of Moyes to get rid of 3 strikers; selling Beckford was Moyes greatest mistake. I can't help feeling he'll regret that decision later on. At least Beckford could pop up with a few goals, now we have Denis who we haven't seen much of. Vellios hasn't looked bad but he's not likely to get many goals this season.
I always have said, whenever Rodwell and Fellaini play together, one of them is going to have an awful game. What's the point playing two defensive midfielders? Cahill was excellent ? he kept on trying; Baines and Fellaini were also pretty good. Neville should've started instead of Hibbert. In all honesty we could've had 3 players sent off. We're in serious trouble and it's only going to get worse over the next few weeks.
We've lost the likes of Vaughan, The Yak, Pienaar, Arteta, Yobo, and Beckford. We just don't carry any attacking threat; Liverpool didn't need to work hard to beat us yesterday. It was ridiculous of Moyes to get rid of 3 strikers; selling Beckford was Moyes greatest mistake. I can't help feeling he'll regret that decision later on. At least Beckford could pop up with a few goals, now we have Denis who we haven't seen much of. Vellios hasn't looked bad but he's not likely to get many goals this season.
I always have said, whenever Rodwell and Fellaini play together, one of them is going to have an awful game. What's the point playing two defensive midfielders? Cahill was excellent ? he kept on trying; Baines and Fellaini were also pretty good. Neville should've started instead of Hibbert. In all honesty we could've had 3 players sent off. We're in serious trouble and it's only going to get worse over the next few weeks.
Karl Masters
21 Posted 02/10/2011 at 19:51:36
21 Posted 02/10/2011 at 19:51:36
Matthew - you are too emotional. Knee jerk reactions about Moyes, relegation etc. Holloway? FFS!
Until the sending off we were making the chances and applying the pressure on them.
Unfortunately, an incompetent ref ruined it by trying to stamp his authority on the game.
Refereeing needs a complete overhaul with a 4th official in the stand like Rugby able to tell the Ref he needs a second look and reconsider. Even Cricket and Tennis do it. FIFA and the FA are in the dark ages.
The choice is simple - either accept this crap state of affairs or walk away from Football altogether. ( Personally, i am beginning to veer towards the latter.)
You are right about the money ruining it, but the ref thing is directly related to that - the moneyed Clubs have these officials running scared of upsetting Fergie, King Kenny, Arsene, Mancini, Mourinho, Guardiola etc in case they get slagged off in public. It's what Moyes and the Club should be doing - telling it like it is and bollox to any fines. It would actually galvanise the whole Club, but it won't happen sadly.
Until the sending off we were making the chances and applying the pressure on them.
Unfortunately, an incompetent ref ruined it by trying to stamp his authority on the game.
Refereeing needs a complete overhaul with a 4th official in the stand like Rugby able to tell the Ref he needs a second look and reconsider. Even Cricket and Tennis do it. FIFA and the FA are in the dark ages.
The choice is simple - either accept this crap state of affairs or walk away from Football altogether. ( Personally, i am beginning to veer towards the latter.)
You are right about the money ruining it, but the ref thing is directly related to that - the moneyed Clubs have these officials running scared of upsetting Fergie, King Kenny, Arsene, Mancini, Mourinho, Guardiola etc in case they get slagged off in public. It's what Moyes and the Club should be doing - telling it like it is and bollox to any fines. It would actually galvanise the whole Club, but it won't happen sadly.
Jay Woods
22 Posted 02/10/2011 at 20:51:27
22 Posted 02/10/2011 at 20:51:27
David Halliwood: Please read my post again, nice and slowly, and see if you can get what I was hinting at.
Derek Wadeson
23 Posted 02/10/2011 at 21:07:12
23 Posted 02/10/2011 at 21:07:12
Matthew, regarding your opening comments about Mr Kenwright being laughed off the Apprentice by Sir Alan Sugar, if you read Sir Alan's excellent autobiography he actually praises Bill Kenwright as one of the few honest chairman and the game needing more people like him.
Martin Mason
24 Posted 02/10/2011 at 20:58:48
24 Posted 02/10/2011 at 20:58:48
Chris@19
Have you not got it yet mate? We sold all of those players because we can't afford to keep them. We are broke and the name of the game is surviving as a club.
Perhaps you have a magic solution to how we buy and pay class players when we have no money? Oh yes, Kenwright out, that solves everything.
We can survive but it isn't going to be by buying expensive players I'm afraid. It is by developing players like Rodwell and Barkley, by buying cheap and loaning players like Vellios and Drenthe - and then selling them to big clubs.
Welcome to EFC reality. And please, lets stop giving the red shite reason to call us bitter blues because that's what we have become, a f*cking laughing stock. Remember, they have to put up with the rubbish that was on display from them yesterday every week; they are in a far worse state than us believe me and this is as good as they are going to get because they are also technically bankrupt
Let's have some support and encouragement; if we have none of that then why not save the wasted breath and just say anything at all?
Have you not got it yet mate? We sold all of those players because we can't afford to keep them. We are broke and the name of the game is surviving as a club.
Perhaps you have a magic solution to how we buy and pay class players when we have no money? Oh yes, Kenwright out, that solves everything.
We can survive but it isn't going to be by buying expensive players I'm afraid. It is by developing players like Rodwell and Barkley, by buying cheap and loaning players like Vellios and Drenthe - and then selling them to big clubs.
Welcome to EFC reality. And please, lets stop giving the red shite reason to call us bitter blues because that's what we have become, a f*cking laughing stock. Remember, they have to put up with the rubbish that was on display from them yesterday every week; they are in a far worse state than us believe me and this is as good as they are going to get because they are also technically bankrupt
Let's have some support and encouragement; if we have none of that then why not save the wasted breath and just say anything at all?
Sean Patton
26 Posted 02/10/2011 at 21:21:09
26 Posted 02/10/2011 at 21:21:09
If I was the captain of Everton yesterday, I would have led the team off after the Rodwell dismissal. It is going to take something that drastic and perhaps over the top to get the whole status quo to change.
It is futile Everton playing against them in future because the result is decided before a ball has been kicked, the number of decisions against Everton in derby matches are too many to be ignored.
It is futile Everton playing against them in future because the result is decided before a ball has been kicked, the number of decisions against Everton in derby matches are too many to be ignored.
Kunal Desai
27 Posted 02/10/2011 at 21:30:01
27 Posted 02/10/2011 at 21:30:01
It's all about lowering ambitions i'm afraid. Come Saturday or Sunday before Everton kick of a match I just hope they can pick up something from the game. Unlike past seasons where you can predict before the season where Everton should be finishing or competing for i.e. a champions league place or a europa league spot, I no longer think this way. It's game by game for me.
I've also learnt not to put Everton first amongst other weekend choirs/activities whatever you may call it. I now have got into a frame of mind where if I am free I will switch on and log on to toffeeweb, get involved in the live forum and perhaps stream the game, however, unlike previous years I have not made this mandatory, and I consider other factors now ahead of just watching Everton, be it on television or via other means.
It all boils down to excitement and ambition, although i'll always be an Evertonian and have blue blood instilled, those two are no longer at Everton and therefore I will never put Everton ahead of other plans/activities I have on match days.
I've also learnt not to put Everton first amongst other weekend choirs/activities whatever you may call it. I now have got into a frame of mind where if I am free I will switch on and log on to toffeeweb, get involved in the live forum and perhaps stream the game, however, unlike previous years I have not made this mandatory, and I consider other factors now ahead of just watching Everton, be it on television or via other means.
It all boils down to excitement and ambition, although i'll always be an Evertonian and have blue blood instilled, those two are no longer at Everton and therefore I will never put Everton ahead of other plans/activities I have on match days.
Jay Woods
28 Posted 02/10/2011 at 22:48:41
28 Posted 02/10/2011 at 22:48:41
Okay, nobody's biting so I'll try again.
Not that any of this is new to most of you, but it was rumoured that the Sheikh approached us first, but his people were thwarted with absurd non-disclosure agreement requests. So why the NDAs? Could it be that the NDAs relate to the same thing as that hidden behind the Stalinist ring of secrecy surrounding the running of the club? Something that must at all costs remain hidden from the public gaze? Something that the fans - or maybe others - might take a very dim view of?
It is in that context that I suggest that relegation may, by shutting down the EPL TV cash flow, actually weed out whatever it is that is at the root of this great secrecy. That's all I meant by it, and certainly seeing us go down for any lesser reason would never be anything any Evertonian could want to see.
Not that any of this is new to most of you, but it was rumoured that the Sheikh approached us first, but his people were thwarted with absurd non-disclosure agreement requests. So why the NDAs? Could it be that the NDAs relate to the same thing as that hidden behind the Stalinist ring of secrecy surrounding the running of the club? Something that must at all costs remain hidden from the public gaze? Something that the fans - or maybe others - might take a very dim view of?
It is in that context that I suggest that relegation may, by shutting down the EPL TV cash flow, actually weed out whatever it is that is at the root of this great secrecy. That's all I meant by it, and certainly seeing us go down for any lesser reason would never be anything any Evertonian could want to see.
Andy Crooks
29 Posted 02/10/2011 at 23:56:14
29 Posted 02/10/2011 at 23:56:14
I like Ian Holloway but not as manager of Everton.
Thomas Williams
30 Posted 03/10/2011 at 02:34:52
30 Posted 03/10/2011 at 02:34:52
Sean, I agree; Moyes should have called the players off the field altogether after the sending off, what is the point of playing them when the game is stacked against you even before you kick off?
If memory serves me correctly thats 4-5 we have had sent off at home in 4 seasons; the only one we never had a man sent off, we won. Also how many penalties have they had against us in last few years as well? ? 4?
It was Atkinson who started the carnage at Anfield 2 years ago, allowing the Carragher tackle on Pienaar in the 1st minute, it set the tone; he only clamped down when we started to dish it back.
Those bastards can call us bitter all they like, they have 1 game go against them and all hell breaks loose... Try facing 40 years of derby games where around 70% of them where laced with dodgy decisions against us.
It is time for the club to take a stand; if Rodwell's card doesn't get rescinded, then the club have to act. Stuff this 'respect' lark... where has that got us? There must be some recourse action the club could do, boycott something ? it cannot go on the way it is. I can see a Goodison derby being half-empty in a few years as people will just stop going, what is the point?
If memory serves me correctly thats 4-5 we have had sent off at home in 4 seasons; the only one we never had a man sent off, we won. Also how many penalties have they had against us in last few years as well? ? 4?
It was Atkinson who started the carnage at Anfield 2 years ago, allowing the Carragher tackle on Pienaar in the 1st minute, it set the tone; he only clamped down when we started to dish it back.
Those bastards can call us bitter all they like, they have 1 game go against them and all hell breaks loose... Try facing 40 years of derby games where around 70% of them where laced with dodgy decisions against us.
It is time for the club to take a stand; if Rodwell's card doesn't get rescinded, then the club have to act. Stuff this 'respect' lark... where has that got us? There must be some recourse action the club could do, boycott something ? it cannot go on the way it is. I can see a Goodison derby being half-empty in a few years as people will just stop going, what is the point?
Eric Myles
31 Posted 03/10/2011 at 04:01:47
31 Posted 03/10/2011 at 04:01:47
The FA and Premier League won't be happy until we're relegated. They thought that was going to happen before now but Moyes has worked miracles. Maybe that's why they make it tougher every year for us to compete.
Allan Hounsgaard
32 Posted 03/10/2011 at 08:25:25
32 Posted 03/10/2011 at 08:25:25
As Lee Dixon said on MotD, "If that's a red card, we might as well all just pack it in". Well It was given as a red card, and it impacted the game as one.
I think I'll actually pack it in. The Premier League is completely corrupt in all phases and on all levels, and it sickens me. I'm done...
I think I'll actually pack it in. The Premier League is completely corrupt in all phases and on all levels, and it sickens me. I'm done...
Jonathan Tasker
33 Posted 03/10/2011 at 08:34:35
33 Posted 03/10/2011 at 08:34:35
Good article until, as is said above, you start going on about Holloway.
There is no hope, you are right. BUT THE REASON THERE IS NO HOPE is that the Sky Premier League is so tightly controlled by Sky, MotD, Mastercard, JJB etc, that the results are virtually decided in advance.
Consider even the MotD running order. It is totally geared towards the bigger teams, ie, the bigger brands. Go into Sports Direct and you will see that only the big teams are stocked.
The "powers" want the big teams to dominate so they can sell more product.
And the whole thing becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
We have no chance. Saturday didn't upset me because it is all ONE BIG FIX.
There is no hope, you are right. BUT THE REASON THERE IS NO HOPE is that the Sky Premier League is so tightly controlled by Sky, MotD, Mastercard, JJB etc, that the results are virtually decided in advance.
Consider even the MotD running order. It is totally geared towards the bigger teams, ie, the bigger brands. Go into Sports Direct and you will see that only the big teams are stocked.
The "powers" want the big teams to dominate so they can sell more product.
And the whole thing becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
We have no chance. Saturday didn't upset me because it is all ONE BIG FIX.
Bill Simpson
34 Posted 03/10/2011 at 10:29:00
34 Posted 03/10/2011 at 10:29:00
I don't agree that it's one big fix or that resorting to conspiracy theories about how the Premier League is out to get us is helpful. Why should the PL want to get rid of one of its most historic and successful clubs which has huge support?
I agree that the media, whether MotD or the press, tends to give us little coverage unless we're playing one of the "big" clubs, but that applies also to the majority of other PL clubs. Only Spurs, the darlings of the North London based media, get wide coverage even if they're doing badly.
Yes, we suffered, as we too often have, from an appalling referee's decision on Saturday and it's probably true that referees unconsciously, not corruptly, tend to favour the top teams so I agree that the FA, FIFA etc. need to look at the problem. But again, it's not unique to Everton, so let's not get too paranoid about it. I'm as fed up as anyone, but shit happens and, unfortunately, we were (again) on the receiving end.
As for other points raised in this exchange:
1. I don't believe the Mansour rumour. We were a better team when he bought City but everything else was in their favour - stadium, population and potential support (i.e income generation), brand recognition (everyone knows where Manchester is but how many people outside this country - and sometimes in it - know where Everton is?). Our position in relation to Liverpool is a bit like that of Espanyol vis-a-vis Barcelona. It wouldn't matter of we were an Aston Villa compared with Birmingham since Villa are so obviously the bigger and more successful club, but in relation to the RS we lose all round.
2. The suggestion that Ian Holloway should replace David Moyes is ludicrous. We'd have a great pantomime season with Holloway, with lots of fun and laughter, but it would all end in tears, He worked a minor miracle with Blackpool and made many friends, but I haven't heard of any other clubs falling over themselves to appoint him.
3. Relegation would be a total, unmitigated disaster from which we might never recover.
4. Despite all the criticism he gets, I think that Bill Kenwright is doing his best for the club and I believe him when he says that there simply aren't billionaire potential buyers out there. Even if things are far from perfect, at least we aren't owned by the sort of crooks and con-artists who bought and ruined Pompey or by a Hicks and Gillett, who nearly did so to the RS. I would, though, like to know what the role of Sir Philip Green is.
5. We're lucky to have David Moyes and probably won't realise how lucky until he's gone!
But we all need an outlet for our frustrations and Toffeeweb is our safety valve!
I agree that the media, whether MotD or the press, tends to give us little coverage unless we're playing one of the "big" clubs, but that applies also to the majority of other PL clubs. Only Spurs, the darlings of the North London based media, get wide coverage even if they're doing badly.
Yes, we suffered, as we too often have, from an appalling referee's decision on Saturday and it's probably true that referees unconsciously, not corruptly, tend to favour the top teams so I agree that the FA, FIFA etc. need to look at the problem. But again, it's not unique to Everton, so let's not get too paranoid about it. I'm as fed up as anyone, but shit happens and, unfortunately, we were (again) on the receiving end.
As for other points raised in this exchange:
1. I don't believe the Mansour rumour. We were a better team when he bought City but everything else was in their favour - stadium, population and potential support (i.e income generation), brand recognition (everyone knows where Manchester is but how many people outside this country - and sometimes in it - know where Everton is?). Our position in relation to Liverpool is a bit like that of Espanyol vis-a-vis Barcelona. It wouldn't matter of we were an Aston Villa compared with Birmingham since Villa are so obviously the bigger and more successful club, but in relation to the RS we lose all round.
2. The suggestion that Ian Holloway should replace David Moyes is ludicrous. We'd have a great pantomime season with Holloway, with lots of fun and laughter, but it would all end in tears, He worked a minor miracle with Blackpool and made many friends, but I haven't heard of any other clubs falling over themselves to appoint him.
3. Relegation would be a total, unmitigated disaster from which we might never recover.
4. Despite all the criticism he gets, I think that Bill Kenwright is doing his best for the club and I believe him when he says that there simply aren't billionaire potential buyers out there. Even if things are far from perfect, at least we aren't owned by the sort of crooks and con-artists who bought and ruined Pompey or by a Hicks and Gillett, who nearly did so to the RS. I would, though, like to know what the role of Sir Philip Green is.
5. We're lucky to have David Moyes and probably won't realise how lucky until he's gone!
But we all need an outlet for our frustrations and Toffeeweb is our safety valve!
Oliver Molloy
35 Posted 03/10/2011 at 11:10:39
35 Posted 03/10/2011 at 11:10:39
Ian Holloway rather than moyes ? No thank you. Let's see where Wigan end up with the "entertaining football".
When you choose to support a football team when you are kid ? in most cases it is for life. Support the club and stop the whinging. We are Everton and you should be in it for the long haul.
If we had won on Sat would you have written your article? ? probably not. I think Moyes knows his players better than you do, and if you are good enough you will get a chance with Everton.
When you choose to support a football team when you are kid ? in most cases it is for life. Support the club and stop the whinging. We are Everton and you should be in it for the long haul.
If we had won on Sat would you have written your article? ? probably not. I think Moyes knows his players better than you do, and if you are good enough you will get a chance with Everton.
Andrew Ellams
36 Posted 03/10/2011 at 11:35:57
36 Posted 03/10/2011 at 11:35:57
We are now a bit part player in an out of control pantomime. English football is dying on it's arse from the national team down.
Drastic action is needed, even if it means a manager pulling his players off after too many dodgy refereeing decisions, or the rest of the chairmen outside of the Sky beloved saying bollocks to the lot of you, we are forming our own league and you are not invited.
Drastic action is needed, even if it means a manager pulling his players off after too many dodgy refereeing decisions, or the rest of the chairmen outside of the Sky beloved saying bollocks to the lot of you, we are forming our own league and you are not invited.
Jim Burns
37 Posted 03/10/2011 at 11:51:08
37 Posted 03/10/2011 at 11:51:08
Brendan @18 says it all in relation to this post and some of the comments....Holloway? Relegation?
FFS its bad enough without that crap. ( respectfully)
FFS its bad enough without that crap. ( respectfully)
Andrew Ellams
38 Posted 03/10/2011 at 11:59:07
38 Posted 03/10/2011 at 11:59:07
At least if we went down it would be a change from the same old crap we put up with every year.
Jim Burns
39 Posted 03/10/2011 at 11:57:32
39 Posted 03/10/2011 at 11:57:32
Fuck the big 4 or 5 off into a proper European league where they can play with their millions /billions with the very top rich sides from the other main countries and leave the rest of us to get back to competing domestically on a relatively level playing field with a lot more interest from the match attending football public.
Anyone who wants to watch the billionaires swan about can wach them as well on Sunday TV - if they are so inclined.
Anyone who wants to watch the billionaires swan about can wach them as well on Sunday TV - if they are so inclined.
Jim Burns
40 Posted 03/10/2011 at 12:03:44
40 Posted 03/10/2011 at 12:03:44
Andrew @36 - relegation in these money-soaked times would be the death knell of this great institution of ours - Everton FC and Relegation should not be considered in the same breath - there have been many suggestions as to what needs doing to break this impasse - and I dont see the logic of relegation being part of that solution. Its as likely to result in a Sheffield Wednesday scenario as anything else.
We should'nt even be mentioning it!
We should'nt even be mentioning it!
Andrew Ellams
41 Posted 03/10/2011 at 12:17:18
41 Posted 03/10/2011 at 12:17:18
Jim, my comment was tongue in cheek really. I'm just at the point now were I can't be bothered with these same scenarios that come up year in year out. Usually surrounding dodgy official when we play the 'elite'.
Although I did have a what if conversation over the weekend about which players would stay on next year if the unthinkable did happen and I think we would have the nucleus of a pretty strong squad in order to get back up and could make enough money from those that jumped ship to pay the debts and build a strong championship squad
Although I did have a what if conversation over the weekend about which players would stay on next year if the unthinkable did happen and I think we would have the nucleus of a pretty strong squad in order to get back up and could make enough money from those that jumped ship to pay the debts and build a strong championship squad
Alan Rycroft
42 Posted 03/10/2011 at 15:13:25
42 Posted 03/10/2011 at 15:13:25
The last two games have been dreadful! Defence is very shoddy. since wehen do you see professional defenders falling over themselves and gifting the attacker the ball!
As for Shitty being a class apart, they are not that great, they were torn apart by Bayern Munchen. We tore them to shreds last season and many of their players are the same, we had spirit and cohesion at that time and didn't just defend. They are a disparate bunch of arrogant money-mad prima donnas!
The current Liverpool team have looked very poor on occasion this season and got hammered once so again it would have been possible to have a real go at them but I doubt we would have won anyway with Cahill and Saha etc. We needed Vellios or the Argie guy who is big and strong at least and jeez we need Barkley! This money thing too ? it all hurts so much I am almost past caring like some other folk here! We need urgent action we are going down the pan fast at the moment but well so is our known world! Apocalypse now and we may have a lot more to worry aout than footie!
As for Shitty being a class apart, they are not that great, they were torn apart by Bayern Munchen. We tore them to shreds last season and many of their players are the same, we had spirit and cohesion at that time and didn't just defend. They are a disparate bunch of arrogant money-mad prima donnas!
The current Liverpool team have looked very poor on occasion this season and got hammered once so again it would have been possible to have a real go at them but I doubt we would have won anyway with Cahill and Saha etc. We needed Vellios or the Argie guy who is big and strong at least and jeez we need Barkley! This money thing too ? it all hurts so much I am almost past caring like some other folk here! We need urgent action we are going down the pan fast at the moment but well so is our known world! Apocalypse now and we may have a lot more to worry aout than footie!
David Price
43 Posted 03/10/2011 at 16:37:39
43 Posted 03/10/2011 at 16:37:39
Ah Bill Simpson #32, i can see where Lisa gets her intelligence from.
Sanity at last restored with your comments mate.
Sanity at last restored with your comments mate.
Karl Masters
44 Posted 03/10/2011 at 19:23:18
44 Posted 03/10/2011 at 19:23:18
Jay Woods #26
You mean Philip Green running the show and pulling the puppets' strings don't you? 'Friend of Everton' as said by Bill or shameless carpetbagger preferring to fly under the radar whilst he ponders his next move following Kirkby going up in smoke? You decide.
Whoops, am I not supposed to mention that?
You mean Philip Green running the show and pulling the puppets' strings don't you? 'Friend of Everton' as said by Bill or shameless carpetbagger preferring to fly under the radar whilst he ponders his next move following Kirkby going up in smoke? You decide.
Whoops, am I not supposed to mention that?
David Crowe
45 Posted 03/10/2011 at 20:31:42
45 Posted 03/10/2011 at 20:31:42
Bye then!
Chris Butler
46 Posted 03/10/2011 at 21:10:37
46 Posted 03/10/2011 at 21:10:37
I agree with Neil lennon there's too many "honest mistakes" made by referees. Allegedly Clattenburgs wife is a Liverpool fan and received hospitality at the Marseille game in 2007. I know I'm starting to sound like that guy from the X Files but I do believe that corruption exists in the premier league. In the 2007/2008 season Everton were the victims of numerous "honest mistakes". We have the likes of Howard Webb who continually makes "honest mistakes" that benefit champions league clubs. I don't believe lets say corruption exists when we play Villa, but when we play the bigger teams. Another "honest mistake was not giving Everton a penalty at Old Trafford last year. These "honest mistakes" seem to always benefit the big clubs ie United, City and Chelsea.
Danny O'Neill
47 Posted 03/10/2011 at 23:42:01
47 Posted 03/10/2011 at 23:42:01
Jay Woods (26). Don't think it's as sinister as you make out but good point. Rewind back to when the current owners of City are looking to invest in a club with longstanding traditions and a solid support base. Outside of those already invested in, there are two in the northwest of England. Everton are the superior team on the pitch at the time and in less debt (approx £40m). City are in not as good a position and in more debt (approx £80m).
The difference: they made the unpopular decision to move to the then City of Manchester Stadium without consulting fans, essentially getting a new stadium for free. Cost of redeveloping Goodison or building a new stadidum = approximately £150m - £300m. Do the maths; who is now the more attractive option from a business sense?
The board and owners have a lot to answer for regarding failure to proactively make decisions regardless of how popular but I also think a number of fans need to look hard in the mirror.
Every time a move from Goodsion has been muted, some group has sprung up, be it Goodison Forever(ton) or KEIOC. Either way, seems the "L4 Brigade" have played their part in hindering progress as anyone yet now vocally accuse and abuse everyone else of being solely to blame. I now standby for a barrage of abuse!!
The difference: they made the unpopular decision to move to the then City of Manchester Stadium without consulting fans, essentially getting a new stadium for free. Cost of redeveloping Goodison or building a new stadidum = approximately £150m - £300m. Do the maths; who is now the more attractive option from a business sense?
The board and owners have a lot to answer for regarding failure to proactively make decisions regardless of how popular but I also think a number of fans need to look hard in the mirror.
Every time a move from Goodsion has been muted, some group has sprung up, be it Goodison Forever(ton) or KEIOC. Either way, seems the "L4 Brigade" have played their part in hindering progress as anyone yet now vocally accuse and abuse everyone else of being solely to blame. I now standby for a barrage of abuse!!
Danny O'Neill
48 Posted 03/10/2011 at 23:54:46
48 Posted 03/10/2011 at 23:54:46
And sorry, Matthew, great post. Absolutely sums up the state of English football at present. I am not naive enought to think that the richest clubs are the ones that generally succeed however lets face it now its simply about having outrageous amounts of money to buy the best players; coaching and football rarely come into it. How depressing!
Jay Woods
49 Posted 04/10/2011 at 00:05:07
49 Posted 04/10/2011 at 00:05:07
@ Karl Masters: I would suggest that if we were to go down, there would be only gristle left on the carcass for the vultures to chew on and that they'd perhaps finally give it up and fly off. Not that one wishes to openly accuse anyone of bleeding the club dry through covert loan arrangements (I simply can't prove that), but, BUT... if that's the kind of thing going on, then maybe relegation would flush it out.
@ Danny O'Neill: I doubt that the Sheikh would have worried too much about the cost of a new stadium for us. Are you aware of the almost incomprehensible extent of his wealth?
@ Danny O'Neill: I doubt that the Sheikh would have worried too much about the cost of a new stadium for us. Are you aware of the almost incomprehensible extent of his wealth?
Jimmy Sorheim
50 Posted 04/10/2011 at 12:01:53
50 Posted 04/10/2011 at 12:01:53
Lot of paranoia going on. I believe we have deserved to lose all the games we have lost this season. No excuses. David Moyes is the one ruining this club. We are left with mediocre midfielders and no goal scoring strikers.
At least we have the option to play 2 strikers up front, but Moyes will take forever until he sees that we need to have more than 1 striker upfront, because our midfield lacks creativity and goal threat. My question to Moyes is this: Who do you expect to score our goals this season?
At least we have the option to play 2 strikers up front, but Moyes will take forever until he sees that we need to have more than 1 striker upfront, because our midfield lacks creativity and goal threat. My question to Moyes is this: Who do you expect to score our goals this season?
Jay Woods
51 Posted 04/10/2011 at 13:12:11
51 Posted 04/10/2011 at 13:12:11
@ Jimmy Sorheim: The football is a distraction from the critical issues, and I'm sure the club is glad the season is well underway for that very reason. Everyone can focus on the symptoms and lose sight of the cause of the disease that is killing EFC.
Brian Denton
52 Posted 04/10/2011 at 13:28:51
52 Posted 04/10/2011 at 13:28:51
The 'cause of the disease that is killing EFC' is the Premier League financial model which might almost have been designed to work against a club like us.
I think 'killing' is a bit strong anyway.
I think 'killing' is a bit strong anyway.
David Israel
53 Posted 04/10/2011 at 16:38:50
53 Posted 04/10/2011 at 16:38:50
Andy Peers # 10, those 3 potential buyers are now reportedly looking at Plymouth Argyle.
Damian Kelly
54 Posted 04/10/2011 at 16:52:03
54 Posted 04/10/2011 at 16:52:03
Insanity - doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result - applies to Moyes, Kenwright, the derby, us fans - we're all mad.
But its the fucking hope that kills us - thats what I blame Moyes for. Smith had killed any last vestiges of hope - I'd stopped feeling pain. Moyes got me believing for a while and then couldnt deliver the promised land.
Bastard.
But its the fucking hope that kills us - thats what I blame Moyes for. Smith had killed any last vestiges of hope - I'd stopped feeling pain. Moyes got me believing for a while and then couldnt deliver the promised land.
Bastard.
David Israel
55 Posted 04/10/2011 at 16:53:46
55 Posted 04/10/2011 at 16:53:46
Chris Butler # 19, I've also made the point here before that Rodwell and Fellaini should perhaps not play together.
Our next games are daunting, yes, including the Fulham game, because that must be one of the places where we get worse results. But, at Stamford Bridge we usually get a point, so I'm banking on Cahill scoring an equaliser there late on. And Man. Utd. struggled in their last two games, so tehre's some hope there.
Our next games are daunting, yes, including the Fulham game, because that must be one of the places where we get worse results. But, at Stamford Bridge we usually get a point, so I'm banking on Cahill scoring an equaliser there late on. And Man. Utd. struggled in their last two games, so tehre's some hope there.
David Israel
56 Posted 04/10/2011 at 17:04:16
56 Posted 04/10/2011 at 17:04:16
On your article, Matthew, I fully sympathise, even though I don't agree with the relegation bit. "Scorched earth policy", some people would call it!;-)
Still, having been one of the instigators of the Premier League break-away, we can't really complain about it, can we?
Furthermore, I thing the biggest factor behind the ever increasing distance between the top four or five teams and the rest is not the Premier League set-up, but the Champions League money.
Still, having been one of the instigators of the Premier League break-away, we can't really complain about it, can we?
Furthermore, I thing the biggest factor behind the ever increasing distance between the top four or five teams and the rest is not the Premier League set-up, but the Champions League money.
Brian Denton
57 Posted 04/10/2011 at 17:25:22
57 Posted 04/10/2011 at 17:25:22
David, I don't think you can divorce the two (the Premier League set-up and the Champions League money). They have a symbiotic relationship.
Jay Woods
58 Posted 04/10/2011 at 17:51:00
58 Posted 04/10/2011 at 17:51:00
@ Brian Denton: No, you're talking about ambient market conditions that sensibly run large clubs should have been able to plan for. What I'm talking about is the disease that is killing Everton: Bill Kenwright's regime or at least, aspects thereof.
Edward Boyd
59 Posted 04/10/2011 at 18:21:15
59 Posted 04/10/2011 at 18:21:15
dean9 Maybe we will have to play Vellios andSaha up front now that Cahill is injured,(please).
Brian Denton
60 Posted 04/10/2011 at 22:19:40
60 Posted 04/10/2011 at 22:19:40
Jay, I think that's a bit harsh. What 'planning' took place on the part of Chelsea or Man City when they had the equivalent of Lottery wins? What 'planning' would give Everton crowds the size of Man Utd, or the global reach of the Shite ?
Tom Hughes
61 Posted 04/10/2011 at 23:01:06
61 Posted 04/10/2011 at 23:01:06
Dan #45,
I suggest you research the full history of the ground move debacles before you lay the blame for their demise on anyone other than the club. I don't live in L4 and don't need to, to know the misgivings of the Kirkby option which are all well-documented.... to the extent that even the club don't refer to it as a viable or desirable option anymore..... Meanwhile which protest group would you like to blame for allowing Kings Dock to faulter?
I suggest you research the full history of the ground move debacles before you lay the blame for their demise on anyone other than the club. I don't live in L4 and don't need to, to know the misgivings of the Kirkby option which are all well-documented.... to the extent that even the club don't refer to it as a viable or desirable option anymore..... Meanwhile which protest group would you like to blame for allowing Kings Dock to faulter?
Richard Carton
62 Posted 05/10/2011 at 00:40:38
62 Posted 05/10/2011 at 00:40:38
Agree with alot of the points, in a nut shell, I feel totally the same about the lack of hope just now....all we can hope is that the Premierleague bubble bursts and we go into a situation like they have in the NFL...draft players etc were all clubs are on an even playing ground...then all the Moyes slaggers will eat humble pie,then you will see an attacking side to him..... He tried the attacking style last season, didnt work and because we have had no cash to spend, the only way to ensure league safety is to grind out the results by playing cautiously....his dealings re Yak and Arteta were good, and Im sure we will get a striker in Jan.... Basically if Moyes opened up, we are in with a greater chance of getting relegated..... Wanting to attack like Wigan and Stoke, 1got relegated and the other survived on the last day of the season...i rest my case!
Richard Carton
63 Posted 05/10/2011 at 00:45:40
63 Posted 05/10/2011 at 00:45:40
i meant blackpool at the end their instead of stoke!
David Israel
64 Posted 05/10/2011 at 23:48:45
64 Posted 05/10/2011 at 23:48:45
The King's Dock fiasco is still the biggest bit that needs explaining on the part of the board.
Ged Simpson
65 Posted 06/10/2011 at 05:57:52
65 Posted 06/10/2011 at 05:57:52
The FA and Premier League won't be happy until we're relegated. - paranoid hogwash
Let's get relegated - would be good for us. Insane idea.
Holloway - yeah. Let's become plucky underdogs who come up from D2.
The Premier League model is EU free market economics. Same in Spain, Italy, Germany, Holland etc etc.
Walk off the pitch. Like spoiled brats crying due to a crap decision. The we would be laughing stocks behaving like sulky teenagers
God there's some rubbish ideas in this thread
Let's get relegated - would be good for us. Insane idea.
Holloway - yeah. Let's become plucky underdogs who come up from D2.
The Premier League model is EU free market economics. Same in Spain, Italy, Germany, Holland etc etc.
Walk off the pitch. Like spoiled brats crying due to a crap decision. The we would be laughing stocks behaving like sulky teenagers
God there's some rubbish ideas in this thread
Ian Bennett
66 Posted 06/10/2011 at 20:53:23
66 Posted 06/10/2011 at 20:53:23
Moyes continues to get slated on this website ? and the only solution people can come up with is Holloway.
Christ what next? Kendall for a 4th time?
Christ what next? Kendall for a 4th time?
Martin Mason
67 Posted 06/10/2011 at 22:43:57
67 Posted 06/10/2011 at 22:43:57
David
Surely Kings Dock failed because Everton didn't have the money to make it happen? BK may have been an idiot by maintaining the pretence that we could do it but if we didn't have the money then we couldn't do it whoever was in the driving seat?
Surely Kings Dock failed because Everton didn't have the money to make it happen? BK may have been an idiot by maintaining the pretence that we could do it but if we didn't have the money then we couldn't do it whoever was in the driving seat?
Dennis Stevens
68 Posted 06/10/2011 at 22:52:34
68 Posted 06/10/2011 at 22:52:34
Martin, as I recall, the Greggs were going to provide the financial backing to complete Everton's share of the deal, but Kenwright didn't like the terms & as a result the real 'deal of the century' slipped through our fingers & the Board changed with the arrival of Earl as a result of Greggs ousting.
Danny O'Neill
70 Posted 08/10/2011 at 17:36:59
70 Posted 08/10/2011 at 17:36:59
Tom@59,
I don't blame any protest group and I agree, the club is to blame for dithering (or not securing the appropriate funds). I just wanted to highlight that we as fans have to look in the mirror sometimes. It seems to me that whenever an alternative to Goodison is proposed we take the romantic view into consideration too much. As a staunch and traditional blue myself, I appreciate this and the club should be applauded for trying to stay close to its roots and supporters. If however if I take my blue tinted glasses off for a second then surely a business (EFC) should simply have "done a City" and moved. Yes there would be outrage but ultimately look down the M62....I think the Kippax have all got over it.
I don't blame any protest group and I agree, the club is to blame for dithering (or not securing the appropriate funds). I just wanted to highlight that we as fans have to look in the mirror sometimes. It seems to me that whenever an alternative to Goodison is proposed we take the romantic view into consideration too much. As a staunch and traditional blue myself, I appreciate this and the club should be applauded for trying to stay close to its roots and supporters. If however if I take my blue tinted glasses off for a second then surely a business (EFC) should simply have "done a City" and moved. Yes there would be outrage but ultimately look down the M62....I think the Kippax have all got over it.
Tom Hughes
71 Posted 09/10/2011 at 06:58:37
71 Posted 09/10/2011 at 06:58:37
Danny,
City moved closer to Manchester City centre... we were proposing moving further away from the city centre of any major football club..... totally contradicting modern stadium planning policy.... as was ultimately highlighted by the transport strategy multiple failures. No blue-tinted glasses required!
City moved closer to Manchester City centre... we were proposing moving further away from the city centre of any major football club..... totally contradicting modern stadium planning policy.... as was ultimately highlighted by the transport strategy multiple failures. No blue-tinted glasses required!
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