Season 2011-12 Fan Articles
It's Kenwright who needs to go
By Jay Harris :: 12/12/2011
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It is very difficult to understand what is going on behind the scenes at Everton.
I had always maintained until the end of last season that Moyes was covering the cracks in the boardroom by "punching above our weight" on the pitch and that we should all get behind Moyes and the players.
In the last 2 years, we have bought nobody of any significance and sold (or allowed to leave) a significant number of what was already a small squad.
With the unsurprising revelations from Blue Union earlier this year, we found that the bank is virtually running the club and yet we have unexplained operating costs of £23 million a year up, from £1 million a year when Kenwright first took over.
What was surprising in the accounts is that we are still paying significant amounts for player purchases.
Following various soundbites from Moyes that "playing the youth players up front is a route we may have to follow" and asking Thierry Henry if he fancied the odd game for us, it appears to me that the banks may have put a moratorium on us buying new players.
That may be why he is reluctant to cash in on Bily because, despite assurances from Billy liar, he may not be given ANY funds to bring players in.
There is far more to his sour face and "odd" comments than we know and a lot of us already think it's a dire situation.
I think David Moyes is beyond redemption but I still can't believe that Bill Kenwright is getting away with what he is doing to our club. Do we have to go into administration or get relegated before the fans react?
Staying away from the games is not having any effect except to accelerate one of those scenarios which will be difficult to recover from.
We need a "Johnson" type effort from the supporters to remove this "I am constantly talking to investors" and "There is no better person to run EFC than me" charlatan of a man.
In the meantime, I would implore supporters not to turn on David Moyes because IMHO that will certainly result in relegation and not recognition of a manager who has had almost zero net spend over his tenure and yet gave us back some pride from the dark days of Walter.
He deserves to go with dignity; Bill Kenwright doesn't.
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Kunal Desai
2 Posted 12/12/2011 at 22:45:08
2 Posted 12/12/2011 at 22:45:08
"Moyes deserves to go with dignity", yes but he's not going to get the dignity he deserves for all the hard work he has put in over the last few years with his defeatist attitude. It's still his responsibility to train and motivate the players and pick the right players. After all he gets paid £65k a week.
He's fast becoming a man who's undoing all his good work of the past, if it carries on much longer Moyes will be remembered for all the wrong reasons than right and any dignity and pride he possesses is loosing fast with the fans. For his own good he should cut his losses before the trap door really does loom. BK wants to go down and wants buddy to take him down with!
He's fast becoming a man who's undoing all his good work of the past, if it carries on much longer Moyes will be remembered for all the wrong reasons than right and any dignity and pride he possesses is loosing fast with the fans. For his own good he should cut his losses before the trap door really does loom. BK wants to go down and wants buddy to take him down with!
Dick Fearon
3 Posted 12/12/2011 at 23:02:19
3 Posted 12/12/2011 at 23:02:19
Say what you like about Kenwrights backroom shenanigans but tactics and substitutions are not his doing.
Over most of the past ten years recent years I have lost count of the times I have been flabbergasted at the the timing and subs Moyes puts on.
The Distin / Saha debacle when the game was evenly poised being the most recent example.
also wondered why Vellios or even Staq was not used.
Judging by his post match comments Moyes has some kind of mental problem. He displayed the warped idea that a draw is as good as a win and a 1 goal defeat is almost as good as a draw.
I sometimes wonder if he is deliberately messing about with our minds. A kind of arrogance that he is a maestro who knows whats best while the rest of us scratche our heads either in awe or disbelief.
I used to be one of his staunchest supporters but bit by my confidence in the man has eked away. The sheer negativity flowing from our dug out has my evertonian spirit screaming in anger and agony.
I am at the stage now where I couldn't be arsed if he walked tomorrow so long as he takes po faced Round with him.
Over most of the past ten years recent years I have lost count of the times I have been flabbergasted at the the timing and subs Moyes puts on.
The Distin / Saha debacle when the game was evenly poised being the most recent example.
also wondered why Vellios or even Staq was not used.
Judging by his post match comments Moyes has some kind of mental problem. He displayed the warped idea that a draw is as good as a win and a 1 goal defeat is almost as good as a draw.
I sometimes wonder if he is deliberately messing about with our minds. A kind of arrogance that he is a maestro who knows whats best while the rest of us scratche our heads either in awe or disbelief.
I used to be one of his staunchest supporters but bit by my confidence in the man has eked away. The sheer negativity flowing from our dug out has my evertonian spirit screaming in anger and agony.
I am at the stage now where I couldn't be arsed if he walked tomorrow so long as he takes po faced Round with him.
Anthony Jones
4 Posted 12/12/2011 at 23:41:54
4 Posted 12/12/2011 at 23:41:54
Why always moyes or kenwright? They are part of the same disease. Both have to go.
Jamie Sweet
5 Posted 13/12/2011 at 00:24:22
5 Posted 13/12/2011 at 00:24:22
Agree fully that Kenwright is the main problem. But Moyes is making it more and more difficult for me to focus my anger on Bill when I see such shite negative football week in week out. As Dick rightly points out, Bill doesn't choose the team or the tactics.
Ste Traverse
6 Posted 13/12/2011 at 00:31:52
6 Posted 13/12/2011 at 00:31:52
Totally agree Jay, it's a scandal what Kenwright is doing to our club.
If he had been a businessman who had just got into football or a Reds fan like Peter Johnson he's have been chased out years ago, but he gets away with murder with our dopey element who are seduced by his boring tales of being a Blue.
He cynicaly uses his Evertonian credentials to gain support and it's truely sickening.
The day he and his massive ego don't have any influence on the running of this club can't come soon enough. But with his determination to hang at all costs god knows when that will be.
Kenwright OUT.
If he had been a businessman who had just got into football or a Reds fan like Peter Johnson he's have been chased out years ago, but he gets away with murder with our dopey element who are seduced by his boring tales of being a Blue.
He cynicaly uses his Evertonian credentials to gain support and it's truely sickening.
The day he and his massive ego don't have any influence on the running of this club can't come soon enough. But with his determination to hang at all costs god knows when that will be.
Kenwright OUT.
Ian Pilkington
7 Posted 13/12/2011 at 00:18:56
7 Posted 13/12/2011 at 00:18:56
Kenwright must definitely go first; the Club must be sold quickly before we lose any more key players. If Moyes decides to go before Kenwright (and it's extremely unlikely he would find another club to reward him with a similar salary), how could Kenwright be possibly trusted to find a decent replacement?
It should not be forgotten that signing Moyes was a lucky gamble, his record of reaching the play offs for Preston was hardly outstanding. Most likely we would be landed with another "promising " manager from the Championship who could turn into another Mike Walker (who incidentally had taken Norwich to 3rd place in the Premier League before he joined us).
Blue Bill must go first, as much as I detest Moyes's awful defensive mindset.
It should not be forgotten that signing Moyes was a lucky gamble, his record of reaching the play offs for Preston was hardly outstanding. Most likely we would be landed with another "promising " manager from the Championship who could turn into another Mike Walker (who incidentally had taken Norwich to 3rd place in the Premier League before he joined us).
Blue Bill must go first, as much as I detest Moyes's awful defensive mindset.
Michael Winstanley
8 Posted 13/12/2011 at 02:52:58
8 Posted 13/12/2011 at 02:52:58
That's made me laugh, the thought of a new owner turning round to Moyes saying I expect 5 wins in the next 5 games or you're out.
I wonder what sort of football we'd play?
I wonder what sort of football we'd play?
Dave Wilson
9 Posted 13/12/2011 at 05:27:26
9 Posted 13/12/2011 at 05:27:26
Well no one can say this is a knee jerk reaction Jay, you`ve been predicting this situation for as long as I can remember.
The people who see the likes of Straq and Vellios as viable options will no doubt disagree with you, but the people who dont, will be nodding as they read your article.
The people who see the likes of Straq and Vellios as viable options will no doubt disagree with you, but the people who dont, will be nodding as they read your article.
John Maxwell
10 Posted 13/12/2011 at 06:40:27
10 Posted 13/12/2011 at 06:40:27
Definitely Kenwright first.
Sacking Moyes would be like giving the dressing room a lick of paint.
I wouldn't expect Moyes to stay too long once/if new owners come in.
Sacking Moyes would be like giving the dressing room a lick of paint.
I wouldn't expect Moyes to stay too long once/if new owners come in.
Arnez Desmond
11 Posted 13/12/2011 at 07:16:57
11 Posted 13/12/2011 at 07:16:57
David Moyes is in an unfortunate position where the only way is down.
Most posts have put him down as negative. Let me share a quick thought. What would you do if your club is run by the bank (or invisible parties) with no money, no guarantee on spending any money raised from the sale and/or release of salary commitments?
While he is not perfect, Moyes is slaughtered for his substitutions but let's think rationally for a second; his comment about Vellios (one for the future) is true isn't it? He was not quite ready for the required task.
Denis has had poor reviews in reserve games... Saha has lost his pace and seems intent on sitting on what is a final lucrative contract knowing full well that he has no real competition in the team now and possibly the forseeable future.
Moyes, like us, knows the team is not up to scratch but he cannot openly say "this team is crap", can he? If so, there goes the last hope of surviving relegation. You can't not spend money, lose players every window, and expect to aim for Europe when even Swansea is spending more than us.
Most posts have put him down as negative. Let me share a quick thought. What would you do if your club is run by the bank (or invisible parties) with no money, no guarantee on spending any money raised from the sale and/or release of salary commitments?
While he is not perfect, Moyes is slaughtered for his substitutions but let's think rationally for a second; his comment about Vellios (one for the future) is true isn't it? He was not quite ready for the required task.
Denis has had poor reviews in reserve games... Saha has lost his pace and seems intent on sitting on what is a final lucrative contract knowing full well that he has no real competition in the team now and possibly the forseeable future.
Moyes, like us, knows the team is not up to scratch but he cannot openly say "this team is crap", can he? If so, there goes the last hope of surviving relegation. You can't not spend money, lose players every window, and expect to aim for Europe when even Swansea is spending more than us.
Michael Brien
12 Posted 13/12/2011 at 07:25:39
12 Posted 13/12/2011 at 07:25:39
It's not Kenwright who picks the team or who decides the tactics.
1. A central defender to come on to replace our only specialist striker !!!!! Defend that if you can.
2. There are plenty of other managers who have very little money to spend, e.g. Brendan Rodgers at Swansea and Paul Lambert at Norwich.
Lambert's main striker is a bloke called Holt who has come through the lower divisions!!! One of Rodger's key strikers is a lad who was surplus to requirements at Chelsea.
Moyes hides behind the "haven't got money" excuse too much whilst other managers in a similar position get on with things. Blame Kenwright if you want to but I think you are deluding yourself. If Moyes is that brilliant a manager why has he never been in the frame for a job like Chelsea? And by that I mean a definite approach from a club like that. The reason is that he is limited tactically and favours a dour defensive approach.
1. A central defender to come on to replace our only specialist striker !!!!! Defend that if you can.
2. There are plenty of other managers who have very little money to spend, e.g. Brendan Rodgers at Swansea and Paul Lambert at Norwich.
Lambert's main striker is a bloke called Holt who has come through the lower divisions!!! One of Rodger's key strikers is a lad who was surplus to requirements at Chelsea.
Moyes hides behind the "haven't got money" excuse too much whilst other managers in a similar position get on with things. Blame Kenwright if you want to but I think you are deluding yourself. If Moyes is that brilliant a manager why has he never been in the frame for a job like Chelsea? And by that I mean a definite approach from a club like that. The reason is that he is limited tactically and favours a dour defensive approach.
Ian Kearney
13 Posted 13/12/2011 at 07:59:47
13 Posted 13/12/2011 at 07:59:47
Is every problem is down to Kenwright, and David Moyes really is that shrewd and intelligent, then why is he so far up Kenwright's arse? £65k a week possibly?
Paul Johnson
14 Posted 13/12/2011 at 07:43:47
14 Posted 13/12/2011 at 07:43:47
Mike I posted responses to the game on Saturday pretty much saying the same things.
I don't like Kenwright and want rid asap, he is strangling the club with his so called loyalty. He needs to realise that loyalty is doing the right thing for the greater good of all concerned and not the individual. He is seriously deluded if he thinks he is looking after the club with his mindset of he knows what is right and he is a fan. I dont want to delve to much into how he is killing the club financially, I want to focus on his loyalty to Moyes. This is were I get concerned as to his loyalties truly lie.
If it is as an Evertonian then Moyes would be long gone. His brand of football is killing the club that I hold dear to my heart. I know people will say I am over reacting but all the people I know who follow the club are voting with their feet. (If the style of football or results don't improve, I predict by the end of January we will see a gate around 25,000 for a league game.)
That is why I believe he is loyal to himself and his own financial gain so while that is the case he can stay till we get a buyer as he wants the club to be financially sound making us more attractive as a club.
But he must surely show a level of loyalty to the people who turn up in their thousands home and away and sack Moyes. People have to start realising that this is Everton Football Club and not Moyes United. The longer we leave this guy in charge the lower we will sink on the football field ? again I defy anyone who truly wants to win a game to justify bringing off your only striker for a centre half with 30 mins to go and the game still BALANCED at nil-nil.
I am not bitter towards Moyes I just think he has had his chance and he has come up short in his ability to mould a team that can deliver trophies. I had some highs (Europe and FA Ccup semi-final) and lows (FA Cup final defeat and Benfica away) but it has been his dour negative tactics that have slowly but surely ground me down into someone who used to be up for Saturday mornings into someone who now looks at the fixture list and table with real negativity.
I truly did want the guy to succeed but enough is enough for me now ? he has to go.
I don't like Kenwright and want rid asap, he is strangling the club with his so called loyalty. He needs to realise that loyalty is doing the right thing for the greater good of all concerned and not the individual. He is seriously deluded if he thinks he is looking after the club with his mindset of he knows what is right and he is a fan. I dont want to delve to much into how he is killing the club financially, I want to focus on his loyalty to Moyes. This is were I get concerned as to his loyalties truly lie.
If it is as an Evertonian then Moyes would be long gone. His brand of football is killing the club that I hold dear to my heart. I know people will say I am over reacting but all the people I know who follow the club are voting with their feet. (If the style of football or results don't improve, I predict by the end of January we will see a gate around 25,000 for a league game.)
That is why I believe he is loyal to himself and his own financial gain so while that is the case he can stay till we get a buyer as he wants the club to be financially sound making us more attractive as a club.
But he must surely show a level of loyalty to the people who turn up in their thousands home and away and sack Moyes. People have to start realising that this is Everton Football Club and not Moyes United. The longer we leave this guy in charge the lower we will sink on the football field ? again I defy anyone who truly wants to win a game to justify bringing off your only striker for a centre half with 30 mins to go and the game still BALANCED at nil-nil.
I am not bitter towards Moyes I just think he has had his chance and he has come up short in his ability to mould a team that can deliver trophies. I had some highs (Europe and FA Ccup semi-final) and lows (FA Cup final defeat and Benfica away) but it has been his dour negative tactics that have slowly but surely ground me down into someone who used to be up for Saturday mornings into someone who now looks at the fixture list and table with real negativity.
I truly did want the guy to succeed but enough is enough for me now ? he has to go.
Shaun Brennan
15 Posted 13/12/2011 at 09:01:08
15 Posted 13/12/2011 at 09:01:08
One thing I really don't get. Is when ever I critise Moyes, people come out in his defence.
"it's not his fault he has shit players, he's had no money etc etc etc."
Makes you think does he have any influence on anything?
"it's not his fault he has shit players, he's had no money etc etc etc."
Makes you think does he have any influence on anything?
Trevor Lynes
16 Posted 13/12/2011 at 12:05:33
16 Posted 13/12/2011 at 12:05:33
Shaun #13 ? I detest the football we play....we are terrible to watch and its no wonder we get poor coverage on TV.... BUT Moyes has no alternative to the players he uses. The newcomers are on loan and McFadden was a waste of the money that could have been used to keep Pienaar. He is trying to keep the current squad in the Premier League and with the present board it is all we can expect.
No-one has shown any interest at all in buying any of the newcomers and whenever any other club show interest in a supposed transfer target, we drop out of the running!! Heitinga and Bily were of no interest to any other Premier League club when we signed them and I have not seen any interest by any other club since, in either of them!!
We are scratching and scrambling for points and playing awful football... that is not down to tactics, it's down to inferior players. The last team we really hammered was Blackpool and that is also the last time a striker got MotM. We have a decent defence and nothing else... face facts!
No-one has shown any interest at all in buying any of the newcomers and whenever any other club show interest in a supposed transfer target, we drop out of the running!! Heitinga and Bily were of no interest to any other Premier League club when we signed them and I have not seen any interest by any other club since, in either of them!!
We are scratching and scrambling for points and playing awful football... that is not down to tactics, it's down to inferior players. The last team we really hammered was Blackpool and that is also the last time a striker got MotM. We have a decent defence and nothing else... face facts!
Stephen Leary
17 Posted 13/12/2011 at 13:16:52
17 Posted 13/12/2011 at 13:16:52
Kenshite does have to go. I know it's childish but I saw him at Goodison a few weeks ago outside the Park End stand car park; he said "Hello" and I shot back with "Wanker" and you know what it felt good. Yes, childish I know but the man's an utter prick, he said nothing and walked on in the main doors with some other bloke.
Moyes is a tricky one ? the man was a legend for restoring some pride into are great club, and I feel so sorry that me and so many others now are beginning to dispise the man when really he should go with great applause and a pat on the back, it comes to an end for all and it has for Moyes at Everton.
You can only wonder that nothing less than seven points from Norwich, Swansea and Sunderland will appease us at least over the Christmas period, I really do fear though we are more looking at two points or maybe even one.
Why not surprise us all, Moyesie, and get that fight and bite back, throw Barkley in and Gueye and McAleny... worth a go because the shite on show at the minute isn't working and hasn't done for a while now.
Moyes is a tricky one ? the man was a legend for restoring some pride into are great club, and I feel so sorry that me and so many others now are beginning to dispise the man when really he should go with great applause and a pat on the back, it comes to an end for all and it has for Moyes at Everton.
You can only wonder that nothing less than seven points from Norwich, Swansea and Sunderland will appease us at least over the Christmas period, I really do fear though we are more looking at two points or maybe even one.
Why not surprise us all, Moyesie, and get that fight and bite back, throw Barkley in and Gueye and McAleny... worth a go because the shite on show at the minute isn't working and hasn't done for a while now.
Richard Tarleton
18 Posted 13/12/2011 at 13:37:05
18 Posted 13/12/2011 at 13:37:05
Kenwright and the board are the heart of the problem. Moyes is a typical , average Premier Leagur manager, who starts from the premise, "We have one point." The mystery of Everton's appalling finances is underlined in both the main article here and by Trevor Lynes. Kenwright is the cancer, Moyes a complication.
Steve Guy
19 Posted 13/12/2011 at 13:54:24
19 Posted 13/12/2011 at 13:54:24
Steve #16
As my many posts will testify I am no fan of Billy BS, but name calling like that is not just childish, it's deeply offensive and completely inappropriate. AQssuming you don't have Tourette's, do you regularly go up to people who say "hello" and respond in that way ?
Kenwirght needs to go, but you do the fan base an injustice with that kind of comment.
As my many posts will testify I am no fan of Billy BS, but name calling like that is not just childish, it's deeply offensive and completely inappropriate. AQssuming you don't have Tourette's, do you regularly go up to people who say "hello" and respond in that way ?
Kenwirght needs to go, but you do the fan base an injustice with that kind of comment.
Stephen Kenny
20 Posted 13/12/2011 at 15:30:27
20 Posted 13/12/2011 at 15:30:27
Jay,
I've been a member of this site long enough to know your views on Kenwright, I share them.
What I can't do is separate Moyes from Bill, purely down to Moyes actions towards Bill over recent years.
Not so long ago Moyes came out with a vehement defence of Bill and his chairmanship and slated the BU in the process, why?
Before that Moyes had said that for all his faults he wouldn't swap Bill for any other chairman, why?
Time after time when Bill is in the thick of it Moyes will come out and give him a ringing endorsement, often attacking his detractors in the process.
He has never had to do this. Moyes for a long time was unsackable. Everybody who's watched more than a few games at Goodison over the last 9yrs knows that. So why did Davey feel the need to come out and tell our fans that Bill's the best man for the job Etc.Etc?
He could simply have kept quiet and let fans make up their own mind about Bill and his stewardship. He knows he carries a great deal of sway over the average matchgoer and chose to use it in support of a regime that's killing my club.
For me, when Bill goes he can take his patsy with him.
I've been a member of this site long enough to know your views on Kenwright, I share them.
What I can't do is separate Moyes from Bill, purely down to Moyes actions towards Bill over recent years.
Not so long ago Moyes came out with a vehement defence of Bill and his chairmanship and slated the BU in the process, why?
Before that Moyes had said that for all his faults he wouldn't swap Bill for any other chairman, why?
Time after time when Bill is in the thick of it Moyes will come out and give him a ringing endorsement, often attacking his detractors in the process.
He has never had to do this. Moyes for a long time was unsackable. Everybody who's watched more than a few games at Goodison over the last 9yrs knows that. So why did Davey feel the need to come out and tell our fans that Bill's the best man for the job Etc.Etc?
He could simply have kept quiet and let fans make up their own mind about Bill and his stewardship. He knows he carries a great deal of sway over the average matchgoer and chose to use it in support of a regime that's killing my club.
For me, when Bill goes he can take his patsy with him.
David Holroyd
22 Posted 13/12/2011 at 16:50:28
22 Posted 13/12/2011 at 16:50:28
The only way to hurt Kenwright and the rest of the bloody usless board is for supporters not to go to games.
Remember in the early eighties when crowds dipped below the 20,000. Kenwright will soon get the message, cos at the moment he thinks it's a few hundred supporters unhappy.
We need action because Kenwright and his cronnies need to go before we get relegated.
Remember in the early eighties when crowds dipped below the 20,000. Kenwright will soon get the message, cos at the moment he thinks it's a few hundred supporters unhappy.
We need action because Kenwright and his cronnies need to go before we get relegated.
Stephen Leary
23 Posted 13/12/2011 at 17:01:22
23 Posted 13/12/2011 at 17:01:22
Steve Guy 19, yes i know it was mate and i wish i hadn't of said it, but it was pure frustration watching him laughing and walking into our football club with the mess he has put us in, we all need to work together now and force them out properly, with bigger numbers in protest
Ste Traverse
24 Posted 13/12/2011 at 18:17:08
24 Posted 13/12/2011 at 18:17:08
Stephen #20
I think Moyes has been briefed that he must talk up Bill Kenwright whenever he comes under fire and gets criticism, Elstone, Ross (before he was given his p45), past and present players seem to do exactly the same.
It's an insult when these people try to tell us how wondeful this clown Kenwright is when anyone with half a brain can see the real picture.
I think Moyes has been briefed that he must talk up Bill Kenwright whenever he comes under fire and gets criticism, Elstone, Ross (before he was given his p45), past and present players seem to do exactly the same.
It's an insult when these people try to tell us how wondeful this clown Kenwright is when anyone with half a brain can see the real picture.
Stephen Kenny
25 Posted 13/12/2011 at 18:34:19
25 Posted 13/12/2011 at 18:34:19
Ste,
My point is that Moyes is as much to blame for Kenwright getting away with ruining our club as Wyness, Elstone, Earl, Green and Ross.
Moyes will never have to talk up Kenwright, he chooses to, despite all the available evidence and his own working conditions.
A big part of the reason Moyes commands so much respect from our fanbase is that they think he has the best interests of the club at heart. Clearly he doesn't!
My point is that Moyes is as much to blame for Kenwright getting away with ruining our club as Wyness, Elstone, Earl, Green and Ross.
Moyes will never have to talk up Kenwright, he chooses to, despite all the available evidence and his own working conditions.
A big part of the reason Moyes commands so much respect from our fanbase is that they think he has the best interests of the club at heart. Clearly he doesn't!
Nick Entwistle
26 Posted 13/12/2011 at 18:40:51
26 Posted 13/12/2011 at 18:40:51
No new manager will flourish under Kenwright, but Moyes will flourish with competitive transfer funds.
John Ford
27 Posted 13/12/2011 at 18:45:57
27 Posted 13/12/2011 at 18:45:57
Good article. Moyes has weaknesses - his negativity has always been there but with few good attacking players to chose from the cautious approach comes to the fore more than ever
However there is no question that he's been a real plus for our club. Comparisons with Norwich or Swansea are pointless as those managers have never shown what they can achieve over time on a modest budget. In terms of value for money spent, he's done us proud
Likewise bleating on about Moyes dictating tactics and picking the team misses the fundamental point that he hasn't got a decent squad anymore to chose from... because Kenwright and Co have mismanaged the clubs progress. I'd really like to see a more attacking style but can anyone really see an eleven which includes any two of our forwards which would improve things? I don't think so.
Moyes reluctance to commit to attack may be frustrating but people shouldnt get bogged down in this because it detracts from the main problem... we dont have the players to compete. For this you need to look at Kenwright.
However there is no question that he's been a real plus for our club. Comparisons with Norwich or Swansea are pointless as those managers have never shown what they can achieve over time on a modest budget. In terms of value for money spent, he's done us proud
Likewise bleating on about Moyes dictating tactics and picking the team misses the fundamental point that he hasn't got a decent squad anymore to chose from... because Kenwright and Co have mismanaged the clubs progress. I'd really like to see a more attacking style but can anyone really see an eleven which includes any two of our forwards which would improve things? I don't think so.
Moyes reluctance to commit to attack may be frustrating but people shouldnt get bogged down in this because it detracts from the main problem... we dont have the players to compete. For this you need to look at Kenwright.
Edward Boyd
28 Posted 13/12/2011 at 19:09:06
28 Posted 13/12/2011 at 19:09:06
Paul 14 A good post i agree 100%,i am one who has voted with his feet and wont go again until both BKand DM have gone and have taken SR and his clipboard with them .
Paul Johnson
29 Posted 13/12/2011 at 19:48:36
29 Posted 13/12/2011 at 19:48:36
John (#25) ? this is were my frustration comes in. The club knows what it has to do to break even every year. Moyes knows this as well. Why doesn't he plan who he wants to sell? He keeps players on the bench who cost significant amounts of money, ie, Bily and Heitinga who I have no doubt would raise £10 million and I would hazard a guess that their combined salary would top £90k per week. What does he do? ? sell our most talented ball-player and, if not the first, probably the second after Cahill on the team sheet.
My frustration is his lack balancing the budget, he should not have sold Arteta, he should have got rid of players he doesn't value but would command a fee. These are all things a manager is responsible for and, right now, he sucks at it so it is time to go. If I managed in the same way in my not-so-exciting job, I would be pulled in front of my boss and, if I didn't improve, would be shown the door. You can bet your bottom dollar that I would not get a handsome pay off either.
My frustration is his lack balancing the budget, he should not have sold Arteta, he should have got rid of players he doesn't value but would command a fee. These are all things a manager is responsible for and, right now, he sucks at it so it is time to go. If I managed in the same way in my not-so-exciting job, I would be pulled in front of my boss and, if I didn't improve, would be shown the door. You can bet your bottom dollar that I would not get a handsome pay off either.
Nick Entwistle
30 Posted 13/12/2011 at 20:25:30
30 Posted 13/12/2011 at 20:25:30
Paul...
Moyes has too few players to sell anyone else.
Bily and JH are playing in the starting XI.
£90k pw? Doubt it.
Midfield is where we have numbers and Arteta was sold as we're skint - i.e. to balance the budget.
Who are these players he doesn't value? Bily and JH?
Other than that, great post.
Moyes has too few players to sell anyone else.
Bily and JH are playing in the starting XI.
£90k pw? Doubt it.
Midfield is where we have numbers and Arteta was sold as we're skint - i.e. to balance the budget.
Who are these players he doesn't value? Bily and JH?
Other than that, great post.
Paul Johnson
31 Posted 13/12/2011 at 21:05:58
31 Posted 13/12/2011 at 21:05:58
Nick, JH played in a world cup final and again would hazard a guess that he is on a minimum of £50k relevant to other top earners like Arteta and Cahill. As for Bily he is a Russian international who again has to be on a minimum of £30k-note I said minimum in both cases.
Now Bily still can't command a starting place in the team and when Distin is back to full fitness I would expect Moyes to revert to type and start with him and Jags.
So although I wouldn't say these guys are surplus as our squad is tight, I believe for the good of the club someone should have been touting them through their agents as being available and not sell our best creative player. The club took the easy money and Moyes allowed this to go on and show loyalty to Kenwright.
The only people who are suffering are the fans who are being in my opinion massively short changed but the vast majority still defend Moyes. Maybe I am getting it wrong but Moyes is being fully compliant in running this squad down and sacrificing creative attractive football for results and he is failing miserably.
Now Bily still can't command a starting place in the team and when Distin is back to full fitness I would expect Moyes to revert to type and start with him and Jags.
So although I wouldn't say these guys are surplus as our squad is tight, I believe for the good of the club someone should have been touting them through their agents as being available and not sell our best creative player. The club took the easy money and Moyes allowed this to go on and show loyalty to Kenwright.
The only people who are suffering are the fans who are being in my opinion massively short changed but the vast majority still defend Moyes. Maybe I am getting it wrong but Moyes is being fully compliant in running this squad down and sacrificing creative attractive football for results and he is failing miserably.
Chris Verghoden
32 Posted 13/12/2011 at 21:40:22
32 Posted 13/12/2011 at 21:40:22
Paul#29, I totally agree with you. Moyes has made his bed and can lay on it.
As for your estimation on Heitinga and Bily's combined wages. I reckon you are about right and maybe a bit low. Heitinga was allegedly signed on £65k a week.
As for Arteta being forcibly sold, not according to Moyesy. He was doing him a favour as he made him stay the year before. Funny how Moyesy's own words are ignored when it doesn't suit.
As for your estimation on Heitinga and Bily's combined wages. I reckon you are about right and maybe a bit low. Heitinga was allegedly signed on £65k a week.
As for Arteta being forcibly sold, not according to Moyesy. He was doing him a favour as he made him stay the year before. Funny how Moyesy's own words are ignored when it doesn't suit.
Christine Foster
33 Posted 13/12/2011 at 22:26:35
33 Posted 13/12/2011 at 22:26:35
There can be no doubt that we have a double act reminise of Morecome and Wise or better still Laurel and Hardy, except they don't make anyone laugh.
Admirably Moyes has backed Kenwright to the hilt, he knows which side his bread is buttered on, but in doing so he has fatally damaged his own credibility and personal integrity. As such when our club is eventually sold it would be best if both he and the other half of the dynamic duo left together.
Fresh start, fresh blood, fresh hope. That's what is needed. Sadly, but by his own actions Moyes is tainted by this relationship.
The reality in the business world if often that when a company is bought all the senior people are let go, EFC would be the same.
In terms of positioning and tenure, Moyes is the one most likely at risk if the club aren't sold soon. If results continue l would expect to see Kenwright drop Moyes with a share of crocodile tears in an effort to bolster up his own, short term position.
There are plenty of Moyes like wannabes who would jump at the chance of managing the club especially from lower divisions or abroad. How good they are is a different story.
So, Kenwright to go? Yes, but when he gets what he wants. That may herald the demise of Moyes first.
But Moyes needs to realize if you get into bed with unscrupulous people you get screwed.
Admirably Moyes has backed Kenwright to the hilt, he knows which side his bread is buttered on, but in doing so he has fatally damaged his own credibility and personal integrity. As such when our club is eventually sold it would be best if both he and the other half of the dynamic duo left together.
Fresh start, fresh blood, fresh hope. That's what is needed. Sadly, but by his own actions Moyes is tainted by this relationship.
The reality in the business world if often that when a company is bought all the senior people are let go, EFC would be the same.
In terms of positioning and tenure, Moyes is the one most likely at risk if the club aren't sold soon. If results continue l would expect to see Kenwright drop Moyes with a share of crocodile tears in an effort to bolster up his own, short term position.
There are plenty of Moyes like wannabes who would jump at the chance of managing the club especially from lower divisions or abroad. How good they are is a different story.
So, Kenwright to go? Yes, but when he gets what he wants. That may herald the demise of Moyes first.
But Moyes needs to realize if you get into bed with unscrupulous people you get screwed.
Eugene Ruane
34 Posted 13/12/2011 at 23:39:46
34 Posted 13/12/2011 at 23:39:46
Trevor (1) - you say..
"People keep asking for a new manager but who would take the job with NO financial backing whatever and a squad which is the worst in the league with NO cover for key positions?"
This question imo suggests something beyond daft.
That David Moyes is the ONLY manager in the world who WOULD accept this.
Do you REALLY believe that?
It also suggests that wages are of little or no importance and there is no other manager (nb: those in AND out of work) who would accept 70 grand a week to manage Everton, because of our shortcomings.
Sorry but offer Moyes' Job AND wages and the queue will reach from Goodison to Aberdeen.
Come to think of it, I'll be in it myself (results probably won't improve if I get the job, but the football will be better to watch and the Echo will certainly be more interesting to read - 'New Blues boss calls chairman a fat-headed, hopeless, shifty cunt')
"People keep asking for a new manager but who would take the job with NO financial backing whatever and a squad which is the worst in the league with NO cover for key positions?"
This question imo suggests something beyond daft.
That David Moyes is the ONLY manager in the world who WOULD accept this.
Do you REALLY believe that?
It also suggests that wages are of little or no importance and there is no other manager (nb: those in AND out of work) who would accept 70 grand a week to manage Everton, because of our shortcomings.
Sorry but offer Moyes' Job AND wages and the queue will reach from Goodison to Aberdeen.
Come to think of it, I'll be in it myself (results probably won't improve if I get the job, but the football will be better to watch and the Echo will certainly be more interesting to read - 'New Blues boss calls chairman a fat-headed, hopeless, shifty cunt')
Andy Crooks
35 Posted 14/12/2011 at 00:33:51
35 Posted 14/12/2011 at 00:33:51
Good article, Jay. However, I think your "dark days of Walter Smith" comment ignores the fact that Walter's dark days were caused by a lack of investment much worse than those faced by David Moyes; Kenwright is a disgrace but Moyes keeps him were he is.
You and many others believe that the alternative to Moyes is relegation. I don't believe that it is. There is better out there and Eugene makes that point better than I can.
You and many others believe that the alternative to Moyes is relegation. I don't believe that it is. There is better out there and Eugene makes that point better than I can.
Eric Myles
36 Posted 14/12/2011 at 01:52:52
36 Posted 14/12/2011 at 01:52:52
Paul #29 "he should not have sold Arteta, he should have got rid of players he doesn't value but would command a fee."
To sell there must be a willing buyer, just say Moyes, having been told to raise £10 million ,wanted to sell Heitinga and / or Bily but didn't get an offer for them BUT on the last day of the window someone offers £10 million for Arteta?
And before being sold wasn't Arteta getting slagged off for his performances the start of this season and all of last?
To sell there must be a willing buyer, just say Moyes, having been told to raise £10 million ,wanted to sell Heitinga and / or Bily but didn't get an offer for them BUT on the last day of the window someone offers £10 million for Arteta?
And before being sold wasn't Arteta getting slagged off for his performances the start of this season and all of last?
Anto Byrne
37 Posted 14/12/2011 at 01:39:31
37 Posted 14/12/2011 at 01:39:31
A bottom 8 finish this season as we are a far better team but not playing to the potential as Moyes plays a bland negative brand of football. Cahill comes out and says he is not bothered not scoring for a year (it does not affect his bank balance) and we already have a point before we kick off, we just need more clean sheets.
This defensive mindset of not conceding goals is not working and we have to start scoring goals. DiCanio is my choice for the next EFC manager.
This defensive mindset of not conceding goals is not working and we have to start scoring goals. DiCanio is my choice for the next EFC manager.
Jay Harris
38 Posted 14/12/2011 at 03:59:19
38 Posted 14/12/2011 at 03:59:19
Andy I DO believe there is a better alternative to Moyes but I feel the timing should be the end of the season because I do not believe a new manager would have time to shape the squad up for the second half of the season whereas Moyes knows the strengths and weaknesses and will get us over the finishing line in mid table.
Change is important otherwise we would all still be living in caves but lets give the new guy a chance to work with the players because we all know Kenwright will blow smoke up his arse and then have no money to change the squad.
So for me give Moyesy to the end of the season,let him go quietly with dignity and by then hopefully the natives will force black Bill out.
Change is important otherwise we would all still be living in caves but lets give the new guy a chance to work with the players because we all know Kenwright will blow smoke up his arse and then have no money to change the squad.
So for me give Moyesy to the end of the season,let him go quietly with dignity and by then hopefully the natives will force black Bill out.
Trevor Lynes
39 Posted 15/12/2011 at 16:52:33
39 Posted 15/12/2011 at 16:52:33
Eugene #33...You missed out a word in my comments ie; DECENT....manager, one with a good track record.
Every manager apart from O'Neal toes the company line and that is not only in football, its in every business.
O'Neal bailed out of Villa because they would not give him money to spend.
He is the ONLY manager I know who has done that.
I stand by my opinion that NO DECENT manager would take the everton job without a promise of financial support.
Every manager apart from O'Neal toes the company line and that is not only in football, its in every business.
O'Neal bailed out of Villa because they would not give him money to spend.
He is the ONLY manager I know who has done that.
I stand by my opinion that NO DECENT manager would take the everton job without a promise of financial support.
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1 Posted 12/12/2011 at 22:09:30
To allow Gosling to go without a fee, Pienaar to go over a wage disagreement which has since been wasted on bringing in McFadden, then to transfer Arteta who Pienaar wanted wage parity with is irony gone mad!!
People keep asking for a new manager but who would take the job with NO financial backing whatever and a squad which is the worst in the league with NO cover for key positions? Baines has had no cover since LESCOTT left... he is the only attacking option we seem to have and God help us if he gets injured. Our defence has CARRIED the team for ages.
I fully agree with you about virtually everything you say in your article and really cannot say that I have seen a really decent display from the Blues at home all season.
WHY are we so poor financially ?...we constantly loan out lots of players to reduce the wage bill and have one of the smallest squads around... our gates compare favourably with most of the Premier League and we have earned more than most by finishing in the top eight in the past few seasons... WHERE is the money? WHY do our supporters meekly accept that we have no money?
This board is filled with millionnaire businessmen and they must have business acumen to be able to make money in their ventures away from football.
I reckon BK should be on Judge Judy as a defendant and maybe she will get the truth out of him...