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It's All Over for Kenwright and Moyes
By David O'Keefe :: 20/04/2012
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For Bill Kenwright and David Moyes, it is all over.
David Moyes placed all his eggs in a basket labelled ?FA Cup? ? sacrificing the Anfield Derby in the process ? and has nothing to show for it. This season has been a failure. No-one gets a medal for finishing seventh or fourth.
As far as Bill Kenwright is concerned, the FA Cup run has temporarily silenced the critics. The cup run is now over and those who held their tongues will now speak of his failings and that of the board that he chairs. It started as soon as the final whistle blew at Wembley.
It feels like a watershed moment and a time for change as another Wembley failure poses the question of What if? ? Investment? Another manager? A new board? These are valid questions as a Wembley appearance reveals one fundamental truth that we collectively fail to recognise: Everton is a massive club and one that has for 25 years failed to reach its potential.
I may not have gone to Wembley on Saturday, but the FA Cup run of 2009 brought home to me the sheer scale of Everton?s support as we brought more fans than United for the semi-final and many more than Chelsea, the biggest small club in the land. Holding a season ticket for many years, I took the Goodison crowd for granted. At Wembley, in unfamiliar surroundings, I saw it in a different light. I always knew that Everton were a big club, but Everton at Wembley made this truth apparent.
After last Saturday?s unacceptable performance, it is time to put some hard questions to the club's hierarchy and most importantly ourselves. The big question is: What do we want Everton to be?
The Chairman and Board of Directors have answered that question by their actions and their failure to act in the club's best interests. Destination Kirkby ? a decision to move the club to the periphery of the city and English football ? for the material benefit of the directors and the 70% of shareholders that Bill Kenwright represents as Chairman.
That is where Bill Kenwright and the Board see Everton Football Club?s future: on the periphery, and never again at the top. The only concern for Bill and friends is to make a profit on their shares after refusing to invest a single penny into the club for 12 years, allowing the stadium to crumble and providing the first team manager with no money to invest in the first team. This is parasitic capitalism of the worst kind; the Board of Directors at Goodison have placed their own interests above that of the club and the supporters who have sustained the club for over 125 years.
Bill Kenwright may well be a Blue but, after 12 years of failure, disappointments and downright deception, I can only reach one conclusion?. this man is not an Evertonian and his tales of Uncle Cyril?s handlebars and the Boys Pen exist to provide a shield for his continued failure to resolve the club's stadium problem and his disgraceful conduct.
Backing Bill Kenwright is an emotional spasm and nothing more. I can sympathise to a point as I used to back the man until Kirkby. The facts, however, are against him on so many counts, that I could no longer ignore them as I did previously.
Bill Kenwright and the Board do not have the best interests of the club at heart, but of greater concern is the amount of influence his advisor Phillip Green has at Everton and how this impacts on the club's long-term future. Robert Earl is his man on the board, but Bill Kenwright originally borrowed money from the Greggs in order to acquire a 25% stake in the club, does Green now have that debt? Regardless of whether that is true or not, Bill Kenwright confirmed at the final AGM that Phillip Green is ?a friend of ours?. In truth, he?s a friend who we could do without, but Phillip Green?s interference is the fault of Kenwright, a man who in retrospect should not have been allowed to gain control of the club.
Now what about the supporters; what do we want?
If you want Bill Kenwright to remain as Chairman, then quite simply you want the club to remain on the periphery of English football and for the stagnation that has been masked by David Moyes to continue. If you?re in love with the idea of 'plucky little Everton', then I must ask you: Do you know your history?
Everton have been a big club in the past, a club that wins trophies ? and we can still be a big club; 2009 reminded me that there is still hope. The longer the current board remain in place, then that hope diminishes with each passing day.
There are two conceptions of Everton: one is that of English football?s true bastions, a sleeping giant. Then, of course, there is the Kenwright conception: plucky Everton, no money to invest on the team, but the Chairman is an Evertonian and that?s all that matters. One set of supporters are ambitious, the other are conservatives with precious little to conserve but are merely happy to see the club survive.
Now for the truth.
The Club will not survive under Bill Kenwright. Change is required and it has to be the right kind of change. The club needs new owners? with money, a plan and a new way of doing business.
The difference on Saturday was that a team which had spent £120 million on new recruits, even if it was not spent wisely, beat a team that has spent £5 million... Resources matter.
That is what the current Board can?t provide for the manager. The identity and ability of the manager is irrelevant in this context. To compete, you need the financial resources.
As for the current situation, David Moyes is entering the final year of his contract; the squad is small, old and, like the clubs finances, overly reliant on loans. The squad needs serious investment to maintain its current position and hopefully improve upon it, but it will not be provided by the current board.
It?s going to be an interesting summer at Goodison with no money to increase the size and quality of the squad, a manager that may leave, and supporters staying away in their droves. A perfect storm is brewing and a turbulent few years are ahead of us ? barring an unexpected turn of events for the better.
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Nick Entwistle
2 Posted 20/04/2012 at 15:51:25
2 Posted 20/04/2012 at 15:51:25
... or Sunday even.
Ian Briggs
3 Posted 20/04/2012 at 15:35:44
3 Posted 20/04/2012 at 15:35:44
Everton fans are sleep walking into oblivion. I'd say hundreds of thousands of Evertonians in the various city cemeterys are spinning like fookin whirling dervishes. I have an idea for that bastard from the ball pen kenwright a.k.a Gorden Clegg string him up from the rafters of the main stand until he pops.
When are the supporters of this club going to WAKE THE FUCK UP the chairman of this famous institution is currently starring in Coronation Street as Betty Turpin's son, for God's sake you couldn't make it up.
Shane Corcoran
4 Posted 20/04/2012 at 15:58:52
4 Posted 20/04/2012 at 15:58:52
Yeah it's getting pretty tiresome matched only by the predictability of what happens on the pitch. So come Sunday afternoon it will surely be "How did Moyes expect to get anything from the game by defending on the edge of our own 18 yard box" after we concede a late penalty. Quite right too.
Ray Roche
5 Posted 20/04/2012 at 16:02:20
5 Posted 20/04/2012 at 16:02:20
David,
Good piece, however, you say
"The difference on Saturday was that a team which had spent £120 million on new recruits, even if it was not spent wisely, beat a team that has spent £5 million... Resources matter. ", and in most cases that is an inarguable truth, but the reason we lost at Wembley has nothing to do with the disparity in value af the sides contesting the Semi Final. It was the tactics of the manager and the confidence of a team who have been well beaten by their opponents on two occcasions this season. All three games were there for Everton to win if the manager had had the balls to pick the correct team, formation and tactics.
Ok, that may be a little hard on him when Atkinson's appalling decision to send Rodwell off is taken into consideration but the other two games.... dear Lord.
Good piece, however, you say
"The difference on Saturday was that a team which had spent £120 million on new recruits, even if it was not spent wisely, beat a team that has spent £5 million... Resources matter. ", and in most cases that is an inarguable truth, but the reason we lost at Wembley has nothing to do with the disparity in value af the sides contesting the Semi Final. It was the tactics of the manager and the confidence of a team who have been well beaten by their opponents on two occcasions this season. All three games were there for Everton to win if the manager had had the balls to pick the correct team, formation and tactics.
Ok, that may be a little hard on him when Atkinson's appalling decision to send Rodwell off is taken into consideration but the other two games.... dear Lord.
Richard Dodd
6 Posted 20/04/2012 at 17:38:12
6 Posted 20/04/2012 at 17:38:12
Don`t you believe it, David!
This regime will hang on until the bailiffs are at the door plus two years for good measure.
We`ve had this out on another thread and it`s clear the club is unsaleable -even at a £1.
Just pray to God that Moysey can keep us in the top half even if he bores the arses off us.
Otherwise.......
This regime will hang on until the bailiffs are at the door plus two years for good measure.
We`ve had this out on another thread and it`s clear the club is unsaleable -even at a £1.
Just pray to God that Moysey can keep us in the top half even if he bores the arses off us.
Otherwise.......
Paul Gladwell
7 Posted 20/04/2012 at 17:47:07
7 Posted 20/04/2012 at 17:47:07
Nice to see Prentice in the Echo asking a few questions on Moyes and Saturday's shithouse tactics
Brian Hill
8 Posted 20/04/2012 at 17:43:12
8 Posted 20/04/2012 at 17:43:12
The current Liverpool squad is proof positive that spending huge amounts of cash on players is not, in and of itself, a guarantee of quality. Which Evertonian would like to have Carroll in place of Jelavic, Downing for Pienaar, or Henderson for anyone? This is where the money argument falls down when we play the RS. It simply boils down to Moyes and his incomprehensible awe of Liverpool FC. It sickens me.
Andy Meighan
9 Posted 20/04/2012 at 17:49:24
9 Posted 20/04/2012 at 17:49:24
Ray, what side cost £5M? Certainly not us... Fellaini cost money, as did Baines, Distin, Jelavic, Cahill among others. It had nothing to do with resources... but everything to do with a negative mindset of a cowardly manager. Because, let's face it, didn't Cardiff run them bastards a lot closer than what we did??? And I'd personally say we're a lot bigger than them... wouldn't you?
Ian Pilkington
10 Posted 20/04/2012 at 18:10:50
10 Posted 20/04/2012 at 18:10:50
I agree with virtually everything stated in David's excellent article.
Unfortunately most supporters who tolerate the Kenwright regime don't look beyond the next couple of matches or seem quite happy to speculate which of our best players we will have to sell during the close season.
I disagree with Richard that the club is unsaleable; it's just blindingly obvious that Blue Bill won't sell.
We are still a big club with a great history, playing in a world famous city with a tremendous fan base.The stadium is a big problem but not insoluble.
We offer huge potential to a new wealthy owner but we are tragically held back by one man's ego.
Unfortunately most supporters who tolerate the Kenwright regime don't look beyond the next couple of matches or seem quite happy to speculate which of our best players we will have to sell during the close season.
I disagree with Richard that the club is unsaleable; it's just blindingly obvious that Blue Bill won't sell.
We are still a big club with a great history, playing in a world famous city with a tremendous fan base.The stadium is a big problem but not insoluble.
We offer huge potential to a new wealthy owner but we are tragically held back by one man's ego.
Danny James
12 Posted 20/04/2012 at 18:53:35
12 Posted 20/04/2012 at 18:53:35
I agree with Richard. The club is unsaleable. Who would spend millions buying a club that makes ?£5mil a year. Spend millions more paying of debt and millions more on the stadium issue. Where is the profit for an investor to come from?
Lucky we have Moysey papering over the cracks...
Lucky we have Moysey papering over the cracks...
Jamie Tulacz
13 Posted 20/04/2012 at 19:12:58
13 Posted 20/04/2012 at 19:12:58
Thing is Danny, most clubs don't make a profit, yet there's always someone crazy enough to buy it! Not really a sensible business decision to do so, but there usually seems to be someone willing.
Agree with you totally about Moyes, shame we don't have more on here that realise this!
Agree with you totally about Moyes, shame we don't have more on here that realise this!
Kunal Desai
14 Posted 20/04/2012 at 19:17:53
14 Posted 20/04/2012 at 19:17:53
Moyes has said the younger players as well as the older players need lifting, well guaranteed there'll be no lifting them now until the end of the season Moyes. What exactly would they need lifting for? It's your fault the reason you feel this way, might as well pack your bags in now and go on your hols.
Ray Jacques
15 Posted 20/04/2012 at 19:25:33
15 Posted 20/04/2012 at 19:25:33
Great article, David.
The last paragraph could have been repeated any time over the past 5 years, it's like Groundhog Day.
Only bit I don't agree with is the issue of resources or cash spent affecting a one-off cup game when it's all on the day.
The Premier League may be rather predictable in terms of teams' positions with a few exceptions as it stretches over a number of games. However, the cups are there to be won with tactics/attitude and performance on the day where anything can happen and money isn't a factor.
Even the staunchest of Moyes's critics must admit we blew it on Saturday with our lack of ambition and intent to go forward once we were ahead.
This is where the manager lets everyone down... even though, over a season, I believe he manages the team well.
The last paragraph could have been repeated any time over the past 5 years, it's like Groundhog Day.
Only bit I don't agree with is the issue of resources or cash spent affecting a one-off cup game when it's all on the day.
The Premier League may be rather predictable in terms of teams' positions with a few exceptions as it stretches over a number of games. However, the cups are there to be won with tactics/attitude and performance on the day where anything can happen and money isn't a factor.
Even the staunchest of Moyes's critics must admit we blew it on Saturday with our lack of ambition and intent to go forward once we were ahead.
This is where the manager lets everyone down... even though, over a season, I believe he manages the team well.
Danny O'Neill
16 Posted 20/04/2012 at 19:44:07
16 Posted 20/04/2012 at 19:44:07
I was going to comment but can't be arsed. Were the prophets of doom waiting for their moment?
Graham McCann
17 Posted 20/04/2012 at 19:52:45
17 Posted 20/04/2012 at 19:52:45
Just spotted BK on corrie . Hahaha
Paul David
18 Posted 20/04/2012 at 19:56:26
18 Posted 20/04/2012 at 19:56:26
Great, isn't it Graham, been waiting all day. Even Bill's acting is more convincing than Everton's performance on Saturday.
Graham McCann
19 Posted 20/04/2012 at 20:02:34
19 Posted 20/04/2012 at 20:02:34
He's more convincing as an actor than as our inglorious chairman!
Paul Melarange
20 Posted 20/04/2012 at 20:00:44
20 Posted 20/04/2012 at 20:00:44
Yes, our beloved chairman, aka Gordon Clegg, is on Corrie this week, his 24/7 search for investment has led him there... Now his mother Betty "the hot pot queen" Turpin has pegged it, he might get a few bob in the will to buy us another player?
I am hoping that Betty had a rich arab lover who might get sweet talked by Gordon / Blue Bill and they might buy the club sometime soon. Here's hoping... Nurse, pass me the medication!
I am hoping that Betty had a rich arab lover who might get sweet talked by Gordon / Blue Bill and they might buy the club sometime soon. Here's hoping... Nurse, pass me the medication!
Joe McMahon
21 Posted 20/04/2012 at 20:10:19
21 Posted 20/04/2012 at 20:10:19
We are stuck with Kenwright until he becomes too old or even dies. If Moyes signs another contract I'm actually going to end my support for the club I've supported since 1977, and show my loyalties to Wigan. This is not a knee-jerk reaction ? I've been thinking about it for over a year. I love everything that club stands for, and I cannot stand anymore dour negative football that has been associated with Everton since Joe Royle left. Kenwright and Moyes have just done me I'm afraid. I hate them both for what they've done to our club.
Nick Waters
22 Posted 20/04/2012 at 20:01:13
22 Posted 20/04/2012 at 20:01:13
You never have to wait too long with BK and DM, Danny
Mike Hughes
23 Posted 20/04/2012 at 18:57:11
23 Posted 20/04/2012 at 18:57:11
Brian Hill # 897 - excellent point. Growing some balls when we play the filth might be a good starting point.
I'm still ashamed that shower of shite - with a third choice keeper - have done the treble on us. Embarrassing. I've been walking around with one of those plastic joke shop glasses-nose-moustache sets all week so nobody recognises me.
I'm still ashamed that shower of shite - with a third choice keeper - have done the treble on us. Embarrassing. I've been walking around with one of those plastic joke shop glasses-nose-moustache sets all week so nobody recognises me.
Ryan Holroyd
24 Posted 20/04/2012 at 20:22:53
24 Posted 20/04/2012 at 20:22:53
Don't forget to close the door on your way out, Joe. What a terrible attitude you have.
Paul David
25 Posted 20/04/2012 at 20:27:24
25 Posted 20/04/2012 at 20:27:24
I still haven't left the house all week and supplies are running low.
Peter Foy
26 Posted 20/04/2012 at 20:31:58
26 Posted 20/04/2012 at 20:31:58
'So please don't take my Everton away'
oops, too late.
Well done to the happy clappers.
oops, too late.
Well done to the happy clappers.
Paul David
27 Posted 20/04/2012 at 20:47:45
27 Posted 20/04/2012 at 20:47:45
Fucking hell... Bill's trying to out of paying his mum's paper bill from the cabin now.
Colin Grierson
28 Posted 20/04/2012 at 20:40:50
28 Posted 20/04/2012 at 20:40:50
It is wrong for me to start disliking 'Betty from the Rovers'? I didn't believe a word of Billy Bullshitters eulogy.
Norris is on to Billy Bullshitter! Unpaid bills FFS. He'll be soff loadin Bainesy to pay for Betty's paper bill in the summer.
Norris is on to Billy Bullshitter! Unpaid bills FFS. He'll be soff loadin Bainesy to pay for Betty's paper bill in the summer.
Mark Stone
29 Posted 20/04/2012 at 20:48:17
29 Posted 20/04/2012 at 20:48:17
Brian Hill, money is certainly a prerequisite for success, if not a guarantee or determinant. Different things.
Paul McGrory
30 Posted 20/04/2012 at 20:54:34
30 Posted 20/04/2012 at 20:54:34
With a £25M overdraft, £45M long-term debt, £300M for a new stadium and losing £5M a year, who in their right mind is going to invest or buy into that?
Kenwright is as stuck with us as we are with him.
Kenwright is as stuck with us as we are with him.
Brian Hill
31 Posted 20/04/2012 at 21:20:47
31 Posted 20/04/2012 at 21:20:47
Mark, I agree completely, in general terms, but my belief is that Moyes has turned Liverpool into an insurmountable obstacle based on nothing more than the money LFC has spent rather than the quality of product acquired. He consistently claims that we have no right to compete with them simply because of expenditure, and clearly sends his team out with a huge inferiority complex for no reason other than this.
I repeat my original query: Would you exchange their named players for ours? My comments apply only to Moyes's attitude towards Liverpool, please take cognisance of that.
I repeat my original query: Would you exchange their named players for ours? My comments apply only to Moyes's attitude towards Liverpool, please take cognisance of that.
Phil McKeown
32 Posted 20/04/2012 at 21:30:14
32 Posted 20/04/2012 at 21:30:14
It's all fucking shite.
We need an overhaul top to bottom: chairman, board, manager and coaching staff (or at least some ex forwards).
ps: I have just renewed my season ticket.
We need an overhaul top to bottom: chairman, board, manager and coaching staff (or at least some ex forwards).
ps: I have just renewed my season ticket.
Joe Bibb
34 Posted 20/04/2012 at 22:02:12
34 Posted 20/04/2012 at 22:02:12
Phil McKeown, you have just helped pay the wages of the ones you are slagging off. I have not renewed and I won't go back until Moyes has gone.
Andy Riley
35 Posted 20/04/2012 at 22:56:59
35 Posted 20/04/2012 at 22:56:59
I don't agree that the club is unsaleable. Everything is saleable at a realistic price.
Tom Bowers
36 Posted 20/04/2012 at 23:20:19
36 Posted 20/04/2012 at 23:20:19
This season was basically over before Xmas with Moyes having set his stall out yet again as a recipe for mediocrity with some very poor performances particularly at home.
Yes we had the usual better second half mainly due to the recruiting of Peanuts and Jelavic but Moyes couldn't hide the obvious flaws in his tactics and team selection and it was obvious when push came to shove we couldn't win the games that counted.
What remains now is of little consequence unless finishing above Redshite really means anything but I am sure the players don't really care about that little scenario.
With a huge game for Manure on Sunday Moyes has a chance to give some players a big experience. Sure we have nothing to play for but pride and no matter what team Moyes fields it's likely we can't win but at least some of the fringe players may benefit. Do we have a reserve left back and if so will Moyes play him or will he play Hibbert or Neville there?
Can Duffy, Barkley and Vellios get starts in the remaining games? Is there any real future for them if they can't, certainly while Moyes is in charge?
Yes we had the usual better second half mainly due to the recruiting of Peanuts and Jelavic but Moyes couldn't hide the obvious flaws in his tactics and team selection and it was obvious when push came to shove we couldn't win the games that counted.
What remains now is of little consequence unless finishing above Redshite really means anything but I am sure the players don't really care about that little scenario.
With a huge game for Manure on Sunday Moyes has a chance to give some players a big experience. Sure we have nothing to play for but pride and no matter what team Moyes fields it's likely we can't win but at least some of the fringe players may benefit. Do we have a reserve left back and if so will Moyes play him or will he play Hibbert or Neville there?
Can Duffy, Barkley and Vellios get starts in the remaining games? Is there any real future for them if they can't, certainly while Moyes is in charge?
Ian Smitham
37 Posted 20/04/2012 at 23:24:38
37 Posted 20/04/2012 at 23:24:38
The Op creates a number of questions in my mind.
Firstly, How did we secure more seats than Man U in 2009? How did we get "many more" than Chelsea?
Bill speaks for 70% of the shareholders? Is that right?
Phillip Green. I get the Accounts and Companies House searches do not mention him, so has anyone got ANY evidence that can be brought up? Have I missed the point, but no heresay please, just evidence.
Firstly, How did we secure more seats than Man U in 2009? How did we get "many more" than Chelsea?
Bill speaks for 70% of the shareholders? Is that right?
Phillip Green. I get the Accounts and Companies House searches do not mention him, so has anyone got ANY evidence that can be brought up? Have I missed the point, but no heresay please, just evidence.
Jan Kowsky
38 Posted 21/04/2012 at 00:51:25
38 Posted 21/04/2012 at 00:51:25
The money for Betty's paper bill has been ring-fenced.
Eric Myles
39 Posted 21/04/2012 at 01:04:25
39 Posted 21/04/2012 at 01:04:25
Spot on David.
Richard #892 if you were to say "it`s clear the club is unsaleable at the terms set by BK" then I'd agree
But anyhing is sellable at the right terms.
Richard #892 if you were to say "it`s clear the club is unsaleable at the terms set by BK" then I'd agree
But anyhing is sellable at the right terms.
Joe McMahon
40 Posted 21/04/2012 at 07:56:05
40 Posted 21/04/2012 at 07:56:05
Ryan Holroyd ? I won't be able to do it in all reality. I'm just sick & tired (like many of us are) of shit defensive football, played in a shithole of a stadium, not to even mention our chairman. We will never get sold, and as for investment: not gonna happen.
Other managers and clubs' fans refer to Everton as defensive & negative; after many years of it, I just want a change. Of course I won't be able to relinquish to support, I just thought I'd go and watch Wigan occasionally (whatever division they are in) just to see a some attacking football from a fearless manager.
I decided I wouldn't watch Everton agian until Moyes has gone. I haven't been to see us in 3 years; the last 7 times I've seen Everton, we haven't even scored a goal. It's hard to stick to, but I got annoyed at paying good money to see utter negative dross. Do you honestly think next season will be any better?
Other managers and clubs' fans refer to Everton as defensive & negative; after many years of it, I just want a change. Of course I won't be able to relinquish to support, I just thought I'd go and watch Wigan occasionally (whatever division they are in) just to see a some attacking football from a fearless manager.
I decided I wouldn't watch Everton agian until Moyes has gone. I haven't been to see us in 3 years; the last 7 times I've seen Everton, we haven't even scored a goal. It's hard to stick to, but I got annoyed at paying good money to see utter negative dross. Do you honestly think next season will be any better?
Ryan Holroyd
41 Posted 21/04/2012 at 10:03:42
41 Posted 21/04/2012 at 10:03:42
Joe
It just struck me as odd that you've been a fan since 1977 so you must have seen the HK 3, Walker and Smith years. Now is not as bad as them days.
I'd like to see a change but we are stuck with Kenwright til he dies. Simple as that.
It just struck me as odd that you've been a fan since 1977 so you must have seen the HK 3, Walker and Smith years. Now is not as bad as them days.
I'd like to see a change but we are stuck with Kenwright til he dies. Simple as that.
Jamie Barlow
42 Posted 21/04/2012 at 10:11:54
42 Posted 21/04/2012 at 10:11:54
"Attacking football from a fearless manager"?
That must be why they've scored a massive 33 goals this season.
That must be why they've scored a massive 33 goals this season.
Phil McKeown
43 Posted 21/04/2012 at 11:20:53
43 Posted 21/04/2012 at 11:20:53
Joe Bibb 984
Yes your right , I am , but I'm trying to rise above my negative feeling and do first and foremost what is important. Being a supporter of everton .
When things do change one day I can say I wanted the change but I was there through the shite . That doesn't mean to say I don't respect those who are staying away as I clearly agree with their reasoning
Yes your right , I am , but I'm trying to rise above my negative feeling and do first and foremost what is important. Being a supporter of everton .
When things do change one day I can say I wanted the change but I was there through the shite . That doesn't mean to say I don't respect those who are staying away as I clearly agree with their reasoning
Gavin Ramejkis
44 Posted 21/04/2012 at 10:46:41
44 Posted 21/04/2012 at 10:46:41
Jamie that'd be the same team that beat the RS, Arsenal and for the sake of some really dubious ref decisions which are par for the course protecting the FA's cash cows aka Sky darlings they'd have beaten Chelski. Moyes' miserable interpretation of football isn't on a par. Imagine Martinez with better players, the money argument fell flat on its arse when you see lesser teams according to the money argument like Swansea and Wigan go for it and win
Jamie Barlow
45 Posted 21/04/2012 at 12:47:16
45 Posted 21/04/2012 at 12:47:16
What about the other 29/30 games Gavin?
They haven't really had a choice but to go for it have they?
I'll admit they try to play nice football and Martinez would do well with better players but so would Moyes.
We've seen a huge improvement since January after tight arse put his hand in his pocket for Gibson, Jelavic, Pienaar and Donovan.
They haven't really had a choice but to go for it have they?
I'll admit they try to play nice football and Martinez would do well with better players but so would Moyes.
We've seen a huge improvement since January after tight arse put his hand in his pocket for Gibson, Jelavic, Pienaar and Donovan.
Jamie Barlow
46 Posted 21/04/2012 at 12:57:07
46 Posted 21/04/2012 at 12:57:07
Alright, maybe huge is a bit too much.
Gavin Ramejkis
47 Posted 21/04/2012 at 13:04:12
47 Posted 21/04/2012 at 13:04:12
Jamie, the trouble is the same argument could be turned right onto Moyes; how about the ten years oif league games against the sky darlings, not just 29/30 over a season against every team but just those four and ten effing years, not a single win in ten years is a disgrace. The semi had Moyes signature surrender monkey stamp all over it.
At least other teams and managers appear to have the cojones to go for it against them and not bend over for their annual prostate exam like Moyes does. As far as the other leagues games go look at the relegation spots this weekend, are Norwich, Swansea and Wigan sat in them and can you genuinely say they have teams which on paper or from a financial worth aspect are greater than the sky darlings they have put to the sword this season?
The money for Gibson, Jelavic, Pienaar and Donovan didn't come from anyone putting their hand in their own pockets - our millionaire board members are fucking welded shut, the funds came from selling most of our strike force, our most creative player and cutting anyone else loose from the wage bill.
At least other teams and managers appear to have the cojones to go for it against them and not bend over for their annual prostate exam like Moyes does. As far as the other leagues games go look at the relegation spots this weekend, are Norwich, Swansea and Wigan sat in them and can you genuinely say they have teams which on paper or from a financial worth aspect are greater than the sky darlings they have put to the sword this season?
The money for Gibson, Jelavic, Pienaar and Donovan didn't come from anyone putting their hand in their own pockets - our millionaire board members are fucking welded shut, the funds came from selling most of our strike force, our most creative player and cutting anyone else loose from the wage bill.
Jamie Barlow
48 Posted 21/04/2012 at 13:11:56
48 Posted 21/04/2012 at 13:11:56
Gavin, i'm not talking about Swansea or Norwich. I'm talking about Wigan and Joe's post from above.
He says he's thinking about fucking Everton off to go and watch Wigan who play attacking football and have a fearless manager.
They've been shite for most of the season and have only recently had to go for it or else they'd be relegated.
Why haven't they played like that all season?
I love it if we did go for it against the top teams away from home and maybe we would if we were fighting relegation like Wigan are.
I know its all a bit football managerish but do you really think we wouldn't be playing better football if Moyes was given £20 million to spend on keeping Pienaar, signing Donovan and getting a decent fullback in?
Without having to sell first.
He says he's thinking about fucking Everton off to go and watch Wigan who play attacking football and have a fearless manager.
They've been shite for most of the season and have only recently had to go for it or else they'd be relegated.
Why haven't they played like that all season?
I love it if we did go for it against the top teams away from home and maybe we would if we were fighting relegation like Wigan are.
I know its all a bit football managerish but do you really think we wouldn't be playing better football if Moyes was given £20 million to spend on keeping Pienaar, signing Donovan and getting a decent fullback in?
Without having to sell first.
Gavin Ramejkis
49 Posted 21/04/2012 at 13:33:09
49 Posted 21/04/2012 at 13:33:09
I'd love Moyes not to have to sell to pay off some of Billy Bullshitters payday loans but thats where we are until he drops dead I fear. The paucity of Wigan's team means they haven't been able to get results but in a lot more games than not its only piss poor finishing and player quality that has let them down. Last season Blackpool played great football but didnt have the quality at the back.
Swansea and Norwich on paper dont have the quality the money arguments state but ignore this myth and play decent football. The argument of Wigan only playing nw it counts again could be said about Moyes' fucked up semi where surely it was time for him to grow a pair when it counted and he failed yet again. I was there and with the exception of Klu Klux Swearez they were there for the taking but he shit out.
Swansea and Norwich on paper dont have the quality the money arguments state but ignore this myth and play decent football. The argument of Wigan only playing nw it counts again could be said about Moyes' fucked up semi where surely it was time for him to grow a pair when it counted and he failed yet again. I was there and with the exception of Klu Klux Swearez they were there for the taking but he shit out.
Simon Harris
50 Posted 21/04/2012 at 14:12:25
50 Posted 21/04/2012 at 14:12:25
May see you at the DW next season Joe, i'll be in the away end supporting Everton, through thick and thin.
Ian Glassey
51 Posted 21/04/2012 at 14:18:14
51 Posted 21/04/2012 at 14:18:14
There's no fool like an old fool. I was off work the week leading up to the semi. Feeling good about all things Blue, so on the Wednesday I go on line and renew my season ticket £560...
Friday morning, meet the lads at Lime St, off we go, having a great time, good hotel, find a good pub that stayed open till very late. Off to the game.... what a let-down; piss-poor 2nd half.
I think we are stuck with Moyes till he wants to walk out. No top 4 team will take him..... And Billy Bullshit will be there till he snuffs it. It will be the same again next season..
Friday morning, meet the lads at Lime St, off we go, having a great time, good hotel, find a good pub that stayed open till very late. Off to the game.... what a let-down; piss-poor 2nd half.
I think we are stuck with Moyes till he wants to walk out. No top 4 team will take him..... And Billy Bullshit will be there till he snuffs it. It will be the same again next season..
Denis Richardson
52 Posted 21/04/2012 at 15:09:17
52 Posted 21/04/2012 at 15:09:17
Ian - keep the faith and some hope. I'm putting everything on Moyes' supposed 'unquestioning ambition'. If he really has any then he wouldn't accept the situation with BKany longer and say bye bye in the summer.
Stil., he has 65,000 reasons a week are a lot of reasons not to walk......will see what happens in the next few months. No transfer kitty last summer was not enough to push Moyes to the door.
Stil., he has 65,000 reasons a week are a lot of reasons not to walk......will see what happens in the next few months. No transfer kitty last summer was not enough to push Moyes to the door.
Barry Rathbone
53 Posted 21/04/2012 at 15:24:43
53 Posted 21/04/2012 at 15:24:43
Very good article but the unpalatable truth going all the way back to "Wimbledon" is the clubs fanbase accepts ANYTHING.
You can throw a league derby AND surrender a semi final derby with impunity these days.
Alarmingly saying "get over it" like one of the self absorbed dullards in shows like "friends" or "Big Brother" is quite prevalent.
You can throw a league derby AND surrender a semi final derby with impunity these days.
Alarmingly saying "get over it" like one of the self absorbed dullards in shows like "friends" or "Big Brother" is quite prevalent.
Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
54 Posted 21/04/2012 at 16:29:04
Editorial Team
54 Posted 21/04/2012 at 16:29:04
I've moved the last few comments from this thread over to the new "Top 10" news item...
Joe McMahon
55 Posted 21/04/2012 at 16:35:25
55 Posted 21/04/2012 at 16:35:25
Guys, I'm not going to drop Everton for Wigan. I said I'll maybe watch them 2 - 3 times next season. I won't pay to watch Everton again til Moyes has gone.
Like I said the last 7 times I've been we have never even scored. When the day comes and Moyes leaves for Celtic (it won't be Spurs or Man U) I'll be back supporting in person. We are all entitled to opinions, aren't we?
Like I said the last 7 times I've been we have never even scored. When the day comes and Moyes leaves for Celtic (it won't be Spurs or Man U) I'll be back supporting in person. We are all entitled to opinions, aren't we?
James Stewart
56 Posted 21/04/2012 at 19:21:13
56 Posted 21/04/2012 at 19:21:13
Otherwise what Richard?
Would be pretty interested to hear.
Would be pretty interested to hear.
Andrew Gilbert
57 Posted 21/04/2012 at 19:18:17
57 Posted 21/04/2012 at 19:18:17
Everton's seasons starts in January. (Unfortunately)
Wigan's season starts in April.
Wonderful stuff Gavin. (067)
Joe: Why not just be easy on yourself and support Barca or whoever else wins the CL this year.
Slag the manager off but don't fuck the club off.
Wigan's season starts in April.
Wonderful stuff Gavin. (067)
Joe: Why not just be easy on yourself and support Barca or whoever else wins the CL this year.
Slag the manager off but don't fuck the club off.
Paul David
58 Posted 21/04/2012 at 19:45:21
58 Posted 21/04/2012 at 19:45:21
Andrew I was close to not renewing my season ticket because of my hatred of Moyes but your right,in the end i'm like a smack head and cant stay away.I even got a smile when I paid for it on line and the word comfirmed came on the screen,probably the last time Everton will make me smile for a while.
Andrew Gilbert
59 Posted 21/04/2012 at 20:22:48
59 Posted 21/04/2012 at 20:22:48
I never smile when I spend that much on Smack!
Paul David
60 Posted 21/04/2012 at 20:29:22
60 Posted 21/04/2012 at 20:29:22
The life of a smack head seems like a barrels of laughs compared to supporting Everton.
Paul Smith
61 Posted 21/04/2012 at 20:36:33
61 Posted 21/04/2012 at 20:36:33
Just back from watching Pompey get relegated! As they say, they went down singing...
I wonder, hypothetically speaking of course, if Everton got relegated, would we take it with what I can only describe as an air of resignation on the fans behalf? Just a thought...
I wonder, hypothetically speaking of course, if Everton got relegated, would we take it with what I can only describe as an air of resignation on the fans behalf? Just a thought...
Andrew Gilbert
62 Posted 21/04/2012 at 20:58:50
62 Posted 21/04/2012 at 20:58:50
If we got relegated on the last day of the season and Tony Hibbert scored we could have two riots!
Paul Holmes
63 Posted 21/04/2012 at 22:06:08
63 Posted 21/04/2012 at 22:06:08
Kenwright and Moyes ? take a look how it should be done: Alan Pardrew and Newcastle (now 4th in Premier League).
Alan Pardrew has been at Newcastle less than one season, has spent less on players than Moyes has, and they are now 4th!!!
Moyes is overpaid and tactically inept.
Moyes Out!
James Flynn
64 Posted 22/04/2012 at 02:05:09
64 Posted 22/04/2012 at 02:05:09
All things said in here regarding our horseshit ownership? I agree. But prospective owners do NOT need £300, £400, £500 million to fix up Goodison.
Yesterday, the Red Shirts' owners had an enormous, and impressive, celebration of the100th anniversary of their Red Sox stadium, Fenway Park in Boston, Massachusetts.
Fenway Park is as genetically connected to Red Sox fans as Goodison is to Toffees.
Over these last dozen years, Henry and them have spent under $200 mil (American, not pounds) upgrading the place without altering anything that makes Fenway different. It's the same fucking building.
I'm not sure why current ownership won't sell. It's peculiar, no? But for certain, investment in re-furbishing the Old Girl is not a deal-breaker. Just look at Fenway Park. $190 Mil over 12 years. No deal-breaker.
Yesterday, the Red Shirts' owners had an enormous, and impressive, celebration of the100th anniversary of their Red Sox stadium, Fenway Park in Boston, Massachusetts.
Fenway Park is as genetically connected to Red Sox fans as Goodison is to Toffees.
Over these last dozen years, Henry and them have spent under $200 mil (American, not pounds) upgrading the place without altering anything that makes Fenway different. It's the same fucking building.
I'm not sure why current ownership won't sell. It's peculiar, no? But for certain, investment in re-furbishing the Old Girl is not a deal-breaker. Just look at Fenway Park. $190 Mil over 12 years. No deal-breaker.
Paul Holmes
65 Posted 22/04/2012 at 06:22:46
65 Posted 22/04/2012 at 06:22:46
Alan Pardew, Newcastle (4th) ? salary £500k per year;
David Moyes, Everton (7th) ? salary £3M per year.
Click on link below for facts:
http://www.trophy4toon.co.uk/salaries.html
Jim Lloyd
66 Posted 22/04/2012 at 07:20:52
66 Posted 22/04/2012 at 07:20:52
To me, whether Moyes is a top manager or a mediocre one is secondary to what is happening to our club. I stopped going, not because of some dire football although it was dire, occasionally lit up by brief periods of reasonably good results and a better style of football. I stopped going because I believe Kenwright, Earl and (although, evidently, he isn't on the board) Green are overseeing the decline of the club I've supported since the early sixties. I don't believe Kenwright wants to sell but would accept investment if it meant him staying as chairman. I think that Earl and Green are looking to sell but only for a massively overvalued amount. I hear amounts of £2 to £300 million to build a new stadium. As James Flynn has already stated in his post, The Ameriacan owners of lfc have revamped their stadium over a number of years. Apart from the cheapest possible stand being built through necessity at the Stanley Park end, the club have invested exactly Fuck All in Goodison Park. We have a stadium which drastically needs upgrading BUT it is our stadium and it is an iconic stadium that could be unique with investment.
Moyes, in my view will never be able to rise above his limited tactics and defensive minded outlook but he will keep us in the Premier league. However, it is pointless saying who we should have as manager because Kenwright will not/cannot replace him.
It isn't a matter of supporting a successful club like Barca, as one poster has suggested. To me, it is the only way I know of registering my opposition to the crew who are killing this club,
Moyes, in my view will never be able to rise above his limited tactics and defensive minded outlook but he will keep us in the Premier league. However, it is pointless saying who we should have as manager because Kenwright will not/cannot replace him.
It isn't a matter of supporting a successful club like Barca, as one poster has suggested. To me, it is the only way I know of registering my opposition to the crew who are killing this club,
Trevor Lynes
67 Posted 22/04/2012 at 10:46:20
67 Posted 22/04/2012 at 10:46:20
The last decent youngster EFC brought through the ranks is ROONEY....no one since has really developed.
What are our scouts being paid for ?
Why are we bringing in the likes of Weir, hahnemann and macfadden when we have no money for REAL players.
Pienaar left over a wages row and the money saved on his leaving has been totally wasted on the trio above mentioned.
Our wage bill has been significantly lowered since Arteta, Beckford, Yakubu and Vaughan left.
All brought in transfer fees.
We loan out a dozen players each season and bring in one or two.
We have macfadden on the bench using up space that should be used for prospective youngsters.
Perhaps we will see Weir on the bench soon.
I'm disgusted and frustrated at the goings on at EFC and fear for the future with the present mismanagement of our once great club !
What are our scouts being paid for ?
Why are we bringing in the likes of Weir, hahnemann and macfadden when we have no money for REAL players.
Pienaar left over a wages row and the money saved on his leaving has been totally wasted on the trio above mentioned.
Our wage bill has been significantly lowered since Arteta, Beckford, Yakubu and Vaughan left.
All brought in transfer fees.
We loan out a dozen players each season and bring in one or two.
We have macfadden on the bench using up space that should be used for prospective youngsters.
Perhaps we will see Weir on the bench soon.
I'm disgusted and frustrated at the goings on at EFC and fear for the future with the present mismanagement of our once great club !
Mohan Sinnapillay
68 Posted 23/04/2012 at 03:31:24
68 Posted 23/04/2012 at 03:31:24
Can the Club Management for once tell the truth? Why no takers for EFC? If someone from Malaysia can buy QPR, I cannot believe that no investors want EFC.
David Moyes have done his best. Maybe time for him to move to a bigger club for better achievement. In EFC, he will never be able to deliver. It is unfair to him.
David Moyes have done his best. Maybe time for him to move to a bigger club for better achievement. In EFC, he will never be able to deliver. It is unfair to him.
Tony J Williams
69 Posted 23/04/2012 at 10:17:12
69 Posted 23/04/2012 at 10:17:12
Paul, how much was Moyes on a year when we reached 4th?
Liam Reilly
70 Posted 23/04/2012 at 11:02:02
70 Posted 23/04/2012 at 11:02:02
A lot of you are missing the point, assuming that an invesotr cant make a siizeable profit from a premiel league club loses money daily.
Just ask Blue Bill. Buy the club with a loan, don't invest a penny, sell off as many of its its assets as possbile and still expect a sizeable profit.
Good business if you can get it.
Just ask Blue Bill. Buy the club with a loan, don't invest a penny, sell off as many of its its assets as possbile and still expect a sizeable profit.
Good business if you can get it.
Nate Allen
71 Posted 23/04/2012 at 15:25:36
71 Posted 23/04/2012 at 15:25:36
I really enjoyed this season. We finished above the shite, and we finished best of the rest, and we had a decent cup run. More seasons like this, and I'm a happy Evertonian.
Paul David
72 Posted 23/04/2012 at 15:34:44
72 Posted 23/04/2012 at 15:34:44
Why all the past tense Nate? Seasons not over yet.
Danny Jones
73 Posted 23/04/2012 at 17:15:06
73 Posted 23/04/2012 at 17:15:06
If we?re not cheering we are booing. I don?t remember buying a season ticket for a pantomime.
Some of this is just silly.
?Bill Kenwright and the Board do not have the best interests of the club at heart?. Which of the many billionaire Evertonian businessmen do you think we should allow to carry our club forward? No? Me neither.
Some of this is just silly.
?Bill Kenwright and the Board do not have the best interests of the club at heart?. Which of the many billionaire Evertonian businessmen do you think we should allow to carry our club forward? No? Me neither.
David O'Keefe
74 Posted 23/04/2012 at 18:25:51
74 Posted 23/04/2012 at 18:25:51
How is it silly? Your little non-sequiter about billionaire evertonian businessman is beyond silly.
I have a govt inquiry into the recent proposal to relocate the club to Kirkby to back that statement up. I also prefer to judge people by actions not words.
I have a govt inquiry into the recent proposal to relocate the club to Kirkby to back that statement up. I also prefer to judge people by actions not words.
Peter Hall
75 Posted 24/04/2012 at 22:59:16
75 Posted 24/04/2012 at 22:59:16
Yawn
Andrew James
76 Posted 25/04/2012 at 01:03:34
76 Posted 25/04/2012 at 01:03:34
Gavin - you appear to be living in a world where David Moyes can take over the body of Sylvain Distin. I know some call him the Moyesiah but I am fairly sure he is unable to inhabit the body of his players for crucial moments during a game.
Can we all please grow up and stop blaming the manager for Distin's disastrous back pass? I don't recall anybody saying what a great manager Moyes was for Fellaini's wonder strike on Sunday so same rules apply right?
Can we all please grow up and stop blaming the manager for Distin's disastrous back pass? I don't recall anybody saying what a great manager Moyes was for Fellaini's wonder strike on Sunday so same rules apply right?
Mick Davies
77 Posted 25/04/2012 at 03:09:57
77 Posted 25/04/2012 at 03:09:57
As someone who never missed a home game for years in the dreadful 70s and received serious injuries, hospitalised a couple of times, following my beloved blues away from home, just to spend the rest of the week hiding from kopites in shame, I would like to point out that NONE of the shilte managers then, like Bingham and Lee, and later on, Walker, Smith, Royle, Harvey or Kendall got the club relegated.
So if Moyes's only claim to his extravagant wages and lifelong job is PL safety, then we may as well have stuck with the others. Kenwright and Moyes are umbilically joined and those blinkered fans who want rid of BK but admire his patsy are fooling themselves. The dross and cowardly attitude, even against the likes of QPR at home are not acceptable at EFC and unless you all want to wait for Moyesie's balls to drop, I think we should all take heed of this well written article and realise that revolution, not disillusion is required at Everton.
We only have to look at Rangers to see how a club with huge history and fanbase can be blindly led into the abyss.
So if Moyes's only claim to his extravagant wages and lifelong job is PL safety, then we may as well have stuck with the others. Kenwright and Moyes are umbilically joined and those blinkered fans who want rid of BK but admire his patsy are fooling themselves. The dross and cowardly attitude, even against the likes of QPR at home are not acceptable at EFC and unless you all want to wait for Moyesie's balls to drop, I think we should all take heed of this well written article and realise that revolution, not disillusion is required at Everton.
We only have to look at Rangers to see how a club with huge history and fanbase can be blindly led into the abyss.
Tony J Williams
78 Posted 25/04/2012 at 12:20:20
78 Posted 25/04/2012 at 12:20:20
"So if Moyes's only claim to his extravagant wages and lifelong job is PL safety, then we may as well have stuck with the others." - I would actually suggest a better claim would be getting the club back into Europe and getting some respectability back. If we had stuck with Wally, we probably would have been relegated, so its not a very good point really
Ian Edwards
79 Posted 25/04/2012 at 22:58:02
79 Posted 25/04/2012 at 22:58:02
Andrew James.
If Moyes had ensured the player were higher up the pitch and show some bottle and put a second attacking player on the pitch then Distin may have kicked the ball up the pitch rather than turn on to his wrong foot and have to pass back to Howard.
If Moyes had ensured the player were higher up the pitch and show some bottle and put a second attacking player on the pitch then Distin may have kicked the ball up the pitch rather than turn on to his wrong foot and have to pass back to Howard.
Shaun Brennan
80 Posted 25/04/2012 at 23:14:26
80 Posted 25/04/2012 at 23:14:26
Nate Allen #856
I think Newcastle United will finish best of he rest not us.
I think Newcastle United will finish best of he rest not us.
Dennis Stevens
81 Posted 25/04/2012 at 23:14:22
81 Posted 25/04/2012 at 23:14:22
Andrew, I credit Moyes with sending his team out adequately prepared, including mental attitude, for the match at Old Trafford. Therefore, it seems entirely appropriate to hold him responsible when the opposite seems to be the case the week before at Wembley.
Gavin Ramejkis
82 Posted 25/04/2012 at 23:47:44
82 Posted 25/04/2012 at 23:47:44
Andrew if you can point out where I've hinted that Moyes possessed Distin I'd like to read it again for myself, if you've an argument at least make it credit worthy. The second half at Wembley saw a gap between Fellaini and Jelavic and the rest of the Everton players you could have parked most of the Everton coaches in.
The second we gave the RS breathing space they exploited it and yet another slow motion car crash was on the cards, someone paid a very large sum of money to sort that sort of shit out did nothing, eventually throwing Anichebe on when the game was only going one way as if he would have made any difference
The second we gave the RS breathing space they exploited it and yet another slow motion car crash was on the cards, someone paid a very large sum of money to sort that sort of shit out did nothing, eventually throwing Anichebe on when the game was only going one way as if he would have made any difference
Kevin Clarke
83 Posted 25/04/2012 at 23:48:37
83 Posted 25/04/2012 at 23:48:37
Here's an idea: DO SOMETHING about it. Maybe stop going to the game, don't buy the merchandise, email the club (see how far that gets yer).
Our club has these fuckin maggots called 'marketing experts', like every other business. Designed to second-guess reaction to results etc, in short, you're having the piss ripped out of you. Why? Because you're a loyal fan who will put up with being fobbed off.
Want an example? D Moyes, August 2011; "We'll do well to finish in the top ten." April 2012: "Liverpool are the favourites, they've beaten us twice already." My personal favourite: "We've no money. No-one's got money, Man Utd's debt, £750 million & rising, Real Madrid the same.
Spin a negative & achieve it or better, job done. Wake up!!!
Our club has these fuckin maggots called 'marketing experts', like every other business. Designed to second-guess reaction to results etc, in short, you're having the piss ripped out of you. Why? Because you're a loyal fan who will put up with being fobbed off.
Want an example? D Moyes, August 2011; "We'll do well to finish in the top ten." April 2012: "Liverpool are the favourites, they've beaten us twice already." My personal favourite: "We've no money. No-one's got money, Man Utd's debt, £750 million & rising, Real Madrid the same.
Spin a negative & achieve it or better, job done. Wake up!!!
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