A Brief History of Failed Expectations

By Nick   Entwistle  ::  19/05/2012   57 Comments (»Last) For all those poor starts and dour surrenders, there are the scintillating runs and fantastic nights under floodlights. So, whether a glass half-empty may deny a section of Blues supporters this viewpoint, it is arguable that, since the investment in new players in 2006, the Champions League has been within touching distance each and every season.

The culmination of the three Europa League years, the strongest side from Moyes?s decade in charge, was good enough to promote the hushed whispers of possible success leading into the 2010-11 season ? up to the all-out brazen chest-beating of some with "We?re going to win the league!"

Proving all too literal the old adage, talk paved the way for a stagnating run of four transfer windows without a single first-team purchase. Europe was no longer achieved and, among others, the lynchpins Cahill, Arteta and Saha ? players riding the crest of their careers ? saw their Everton form plummet.

It was in contrast a different time for Everton that built towards their Europa League era. Howard, Lescott and Johnson arrived in 2006 to complete Kenwright?s ?triangle? of signings for a combined £14M: 6th place ensued.

Following up in 2007 with Baines, Yakubu and Jagielka for £21M and 5th, the summer of 2008 saw Pienaar?s loan turn permanent for £2M. Arriving too, and serenaded by the last ticks of the clock, was the eight-figure transfer record of Fellaini, funded by the laughably ridiculous £10M swindle of Johnson to Fulham and the hand rubbing glory of McFadden to Birmingham in the previous window for £5M.

Ending the season once again in 5th and just 9 points from Champions League qualification, excitement for the following season was understandable as the summer?s Lescott debacle at least provided funds for Moyes to sign Bilyaletdinov, Distin, Heitinga... and the short but profitable stay of Lucas Neil.

Yet, throughout these high points, the quality and squad depth provoked continued calls for significant investment, papered over by loan signings, each summer to try and close that gap between Everton and Champions League qualification. This was at a time when every semi-final in the world?s premier club competition seemed to exist entirely for the benefit of the teams finishing directly above Everton in the league.

Despite these calls heading into the summer of 2010, fans in the very least expected the same level of transfer activity. But, over the next four windows only Beckford, Mucha, Gueye and Vellios were to show for a top club with high finishes, big crowds, average wage bill, in by far the richest league in the world. A seemingly perfect opportunity, with Benitez?s virtual relegation of Liverpool from the Champion?s League, to enter into the elite was surrendered meekly ? passed over, to Spurs and City, through fire sales and halted ambition.

The 2009-10 season saw a finish of 8th, again only 9 points behind 4th, but stoically, David Moyes without a signing kept the gap between Everton and a Champions League place to 14 points in 2010-11 and 13 points in the season just past. This is only just down on the previous four seasons when gaps of 9, 9, 11 and 10 points reflected the stability by way of the transfer market.

This season past, January?s deals showed what Moyes can bring to Everton when there is room for manoeuvre in the transfer market. Champions League form has the excitement building once again as fans head into the summer?s window with eyes on who could, even should, be added to compliment the excellent Jelavic, the third tightest defence in the Premier League, and a midfield that finally works.

But bolstered by players in on loan, the Everton of today could not hope for the spending of 2006 and 2007, when expenditure far outstripped player sales. Naysmith, Beattie, Kilbane and Davies providing £10M during these years... Nor are they the Everton of 2009 who could reinvest up to and including the last penny of the massive Lescott fee.

The Everton of today are the same, if not worse, than last year?s vintage: selling off Pienaar, Arteta, Vaughn, Yakubu and Beckford for £17M, and not a penny did the manager see.

For so long, Everton curtailed their potential in reaching the Champions League, the next step up from this ?small time? existence, as significant investment evaded the hands of David Moyes. I know of nothing that will change that this summer. Everton have only two permanent signings from January and their lack of depth is frightening with the latest round of player releases.

Only the residual value from Bilyaletdinov, a goodbye to Saha?s wages, and I?m sure a good deal of fist-banging from Moyes on the desk of Kenwright in January did allow for the reinforcements who in turn re-ignited the hopes the fans now hold for the summer. Yet it is unknown whether the funds are even there to bring back the all important Pienaar on a permanent basis. The £17M has long gone to the banks...

Even Lescott-sized fees in exchange for Everton?s few remaining assets would not guarantee reinvestment on any level. If the ?Baines for £5M? rumours are even half true, the bigger clubs will knowingly come calling with half-empty pockets, while the Everton Board of Directors will be in no position to hold out for full market value.

The window of opportunity in qualifying for the Champions League is wider now and easier than it has been since the inception and dominance of the Sky 4: Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Newcastle and Liverpool will be vying for 3rd and 4th next season but, like the Premier League era as a whole, I fear Everton will miss the boat entirely unless Moyes is magically gifted the funds to make a competitive difference.

The Champions League final signals the start of my summer fast from football news and headlines. Yes, I will watch the Euros with all their excitement, but I will stay clear of all rumours and rumblings that greet my eyes or ears... even pub talk.

I will log back on to ToffeeWeb as usual one week before Everton?s opening fixture and immediately look for the new signings. I expect and fear though a repeat of the last two summers, as there is but a simple fact: There Is No Money! And what Everton do make in sales, the banks want.

How people expect the luxury of cherry-picking players which comes with the spending of money is beyond me; yet I will hope, as always, for the glory of Champions League qualification ? but I expect the loan market will undoubtedly have to provide that.

Roll on next season; another Drenthe awaits?

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Mark Tanton
1 Posted 19/05/2012 at 16:25:32
We'll open with August defeats against Reading and Norwich, play well but get beat at home to Liverpool at home in September, with ten men - when the pressure is on Moyes we will score a late winner at Aston Villa. Then we will be unable to build on that win, and go out of the Carling Cup to Huddersfield.

In January we'll pick up and win against Man City and Arsenal at home - go in to the derby in great form and lose.

Same old, same old...
Paul David
2 Posted 19/05/2012 at 16:30:46
"Quietly confident"

Thats our achillies heel,when we expect to do well thats when we fall apart.

Hopefully the addition of Jelavic means we can now deliver on expectations.
Simon Watts
3 Posted 19/05/2012 at 16:41:42
I have been saying for years now, pre-season is the achilles heel. We look absolutely knackered at the start of seasons. One or two yards behind the smaller teams. I think Moyes has eventually started to realise this, and that working players till they physically collapse and vomit is not a good pre season workout. Making players exhausted has always been a bad move, but he always insisted on ill-advised training routines, that are proven to affect performance for months.
Eric Myles
4 Posted 19/05/2012 at 16:45:18
"Our situation in the transfer market is so far unclear... but we certainly won?t be as withdrawn as last summer"

Why? Where did we suddenly get a load of money from?
Alan Feehely
5 Posted 19/05/2012 at 17:19:02
In the summer of 2010, the mood around Goodison Park was quietly confident. Many of the game?s respected names were mentioning Everton as potential Champions League contenders ? Evertonians everywhere were praying that the scintillating form from the second half of the 2009-10 season would carry into the following season.

We didn?t lose any big names (such as previous summers) and even managed to make a couple of decent acquisitions to an already good squad. Playmaker Mikel Arteta recovered from injury and signed a 5-year contract, talisman Tim Cahill was finally fully fit and was hoping for his first full season in years, and a new generation of Everton players were really coming into their own

Fast forward to the summer of 2011, and the mood around Goodison Park wasn?t quite so confident ? the opposite actually. ?Mid-table mediocrity? was more apt than ?Champions League contenders?, and the club's complete inactivity on the transfer front drove all Evertonians absolutely mad.

Mikel Arteta departed to the Emirates, Tim Cahill was yet to score in the calendar year, and an exodus of other talented players seemed to be possibly on the cards ? think of the never-ending transfer rumours involving Jagielka, Baines, Rodwell?

The Blue Union was formed, protests were seen outside Goodison, and the old enemy?s seemingly limitless spending just poured salt in blue wounds.

And now we?re here: Summer 2012. We aren?t quite Champions League contenders, but we?re also above mid-table mediocrity. Some extremely positive results and attacking performances towards the tail-end of the season have left me praying for Mr Moyes's endeavours to take that approach from the outset next season. The emergence of a genuine goalscorer in Nikica Jelavic could prove to be an invaluable asset and, should the best little South African we know sign a permanent deal, next season could be fun ? very fun indeed!

Our situation in the transfer market is so far unclear... but we certainly won?t be as withdrawn as last summer. A couple of decent signings would certainly be welcomed and, as I mentioned earlier, the addition of Steven Pienaar is absolutely essential to any success we hope to have. Although Jelavic has received widespread acclaim (and rightly so), Pienaar?s flair and creativity played a major part in fashioning those chances.

I don?t know about you, but I am (once again) quietly confident. Should David Moyes finally find a solution to the slow-start conundrum, a top 6 finish and a good cup run could be on the cards.

Add to that good football and positive displays, a great platform for future triumphs could be established. You just have a look at our northerly neighbours, Newcastle United, to realise that you don?t need a sheikh to upset the traditional heavyweights and achieve success.

COYB!!!

Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
6 Posted 19/05/2012 at 17:19:49
Apologies to Alan, who's piece above was submitted as a mailbag item just ahead of Nick's more expansive article. I think the topics covered are very simlar, and the first few comments above were actually in response to Alan's piece.
Nick Entwistle
7 Posted 19/05/2012 at 17:26:50
Thanks for the quality control, Michael!
Paul David
8 Posted 19/05/2012 at 17:32:34
I don't think the CL has been in reach every season. It would be different if we started the season on fire, being in the top 4 in December (expectations would rightly be high then), then fell away in the second half of the season. Instead, we know the top 4 is out of the question by September; by December, relegation is mentioned as a possibility. Our CL form always starts too late for us to be a genuine threat to the top 4... even the Europa League place.
Peter Laing
9 Posted 19/05/2012 at 18:39:58
Good read Nick, it's over to Kenwright and Co - find the funds and back the manager. I remain as cynical as ever though, it will be player's out before we see any coming in, my fear is that it will be one of the more established members of the team, Baines or Fellaini.
Andy Crooks
10 Posted 19/05/2012 at 19:36:25
Alan, you refer to the"slow start conundrum " as though it is a problem thrown at Moyes like injuries or pure bad luck, The "slow start conundrum" is down entirely to David Moyes and if it happens again he should be out by Christmas.
David Chait
11 Posted 19/05/2012 at 19:41:22
Very good article Nick...yeah and good one Michael.. follows on nicely.

Actually sums up the transfers nicely over that time and how quickly the team was increasing in quality... in hindsight we all joked about Man City taking our 2nd best defender... how much I would love to see Heitinga and Lescott together.. can you imagine.

I believe the CB success is down to a partnership not one player and think that would have been an awesome one.. anyway.. hypothetical nonsense.

Guess where I'm going is that we didn't use that money wisely at all.. I am a massive Johnny fan.. and in the minority about Distin in not thinking he is THAT awesome.

We don't have the luxury to waste 10m and Moyes did that on Bily.... for that money there is definite quality he could have bought... such a wasted opportunity in my book.
Jimmy Sørheim
12 Posted 19/05/2012 at 20:15:04
Bily was a strange one, did not seem like Moyes had done his homework on the guy at all.
We lost money on him, but we lost even more money on Yakubu!
We now know that Moyes does not always handle his big buys well..
I am hoping that Moyes has learned from that.

This summer will be vital, we must keep Baines, also Fellaini as he is key to how we play.
Problem is these are the ones that the big clubs want, and we can only hope Moyes stands firm.
After selling Arteta I feel certain we will lose one of these two.
Andrew James
13 Posted 19/05/2012 at 22:59:41
I just checked Jimmy's post and did a Ctrl F for the word "Drenthe". It returned no entries.

Perhaps he's finally moving on?
Roman Sidey
14 Posted 19/05/2012 at 23:28:39
Good article, Nick. Don't always agree with your opinions but this was good factual writing, and shed light on the fact that we did actually spend money a few years ago in an attempt to get into the Champs League, only to fall agonisingly short.

I wrote an article about a year ago on expectations which was fairly well panned by a lot of people, yet expectations are the only things that keep you moving forward.

After this season, our realistic expectations for next season should simply be: 57 points, 51goals, and 16 wins.

I've always been an advocate of 114 points being the goal of the season, but in a realistic world, supporting a club with no money, old players, and a negative manager, an improvement on the three tangibles by one will do.

With football over for the season, my attentions have turned to my beloved Aussie Rules. One thing that stands out from AFL to EPL is that almost every player under the age of 28 comes back the next season a much better player, whereas in the EPL, Everton specifically, we don't see improvement in our players' abilities as much - Baines being an exception until this season. What do Moyes' coaches do with the players at training?
James Martin
15 Posted 19/05/2012 at 23:55:14
When you see it like this you, always think it would have been so easy to pick up an extra nine points here or there, but then every team is probably thinking that and that's the reason we're in mid table.

Arsenal show how it can be done, they usually bottle the majority of their big games and will never win the league that way but they absolutely decimate all of the lower teams and finish in the top 4 every year even with some very questionable weak teams.

It's the same old story of we'd probably make it if we didn't have relegation form in the first quarter of every season. Mind you, if we did have a good start and were in a position to strike for fourth, we'd probably choke, lose the away derby before rallying round to finish fifth and bask in yet another glorious failure.
Nick Entwistle
16 Posted 20/05/2012 at 00:20:42
There was something that bothered me on this article and I've just realised. Saha joined the same day as Fallaini in 2008.

Anyway... see you all in August.
Mark Riding
17 Posted 20/05/2012 at 00:27:23
Roman #282. you ask about the coaching set up. I have always wondered just what Chris Woods can actually coach Tim Howard ?
Eugene Ruane
18 Posted 20/05/2012 at 00:32:48
Jimmy (227) - You say..

"Bily was a strange one, did not seem like Moyes had done his homework on the guy at all".

Agree and if he hadn't done his homework on Bily, regarding Krøldrup, even 'Sir the dog ate it' wouldn't do it it justice.

I'm still mystified as to what happened there.

What was he, 5 mill?

He played one game and was..gone.

All kinds of mad rumours (ie: "he can't head a ball") do the rounds and he ends up at Fiorentina.

Now admittedly, they might not be the top team in Italy, but they do ok for the most part and (as far as I know) he's still there.

Out of any transfer deal we've been involved in, THAT is the one I'd love to know the full story on.
Andrew James
19 Posted 20/05/2012 at 01:10:45
Eugene

We had some funny deals that summer though as it was definitely the one time where all of our signings (and I won't count Arteta's loan becoming permanent) were rubbish like Simon Davies and Shandy. The latter is the one I'd like to know about. Inter must have had a right laugh at our expense!
James Flynn
20 Posted 20/05/2012 at 01:23:12
If Bily cost £9 mil, other clubs were in for him. And he did have his moments where we all thought, "Do that all the time"! We all thought that. He just wasn't good enough for the EPL. Not the first or last. Happens all the time.

The problem was Bily represented a major investment for us at £9 mil. He'd have been an afterthought, coming and going, for any moneyed club.
James Flynn
21 Posted 20/05/2012 at 02:28:28
Roman (282) - "After this season, our realistic expectations for next season should simply be: 57 points, 51goals, and 16 wins".

We got 56 after a terrible first half of the season. 70 points minimum next season.

James Flynn
22 Posted 20/05/2012 at 02:33:34
Alan (192) - Good post.

"a top 6 finish and a good cup run could be on the cards" though.

We finished 7th with a good cup run just now. Given the 2nd half, I'm feeling more ambitious. 70 points and let's see where that puts us.

Ownership must realize they have to go into their own pockets (which are deep indeed) for 15-20 mil to put the finishing touches on a Side at the edge of exploding in the league.

Piennar in and some bucks to get someone to link up with Jela. We already play some of the best defense in the league.

The only way I see us held back is if Kenright, or Green or whoever holds the purse strings, refuses again to invest the minimal amount (15-20 mil?) to take us to league contention.

The only clubs rated better defensively were the 2 best scoring clubs. Our defensive ratings were borne of neccisity. The Manc teams garnered much of their defensive standing because of most opposing managers shitting a brick about losing to them once they read the schedule.

We've had to fight for everything to get to 56 points. With Stevie in, we can get out the gate fast. Let's say 3-5 mil to keep him.

Now, how about all the players around the league who are talented but not playing time? Lot's of them available. Lot's of them.

Our owners don't have to get up off of Russian/Middle Eastern money to move us up. 15-20 mil will be enough.
Kieran Fitzgerald
23 Posted 20/05/2012 at 08:22:51
James Flynn: seventy points is a good target. The season just finished, we ended on fifty six points. We had three more defeats than we usually would. We had twelve in all when we usually stay in single figures, in or around nine defeats. Shave two or three defeats off the loss column and two or three of the draw column and seventy points does look achievable.

The annoying thing is that it would not take a lot over the transfer window to improve the current squad for this target, if Moyes had the same control as he did five years ago. Then, the rule of thumb from the board was that he had to sell first before he could buy. No great problem, there were plenty of players he could comfortably move on. Moyes would get some cash and improve his squad. Now, the rule of thumb is that he has to sell his best players first to appease the banks and anything left over may or may not come near replacing the player he sold.

The first and biggest piece of work for Moyes this summer is to decide which of his best players he sells and then convince the Board to back him in terms of keeping the rest. After that it's down to Moyes hopefully still having his mojo in the transfer market that he managed to find again last January.
Nick Wall
24 Posted 20/05/2012 at 09:21:35
By rights, 7th or 8th should be the most we can hope for. Compare our squad to the rest of the top 8, most of them are light years ahead of us in the strength and depth available to them. And as others have pointed out, Moyes will not get any transfer budget to speak of, he will have to sell to buy, and that's not a recipe for increasing your squad size. And without a bigger and stronger squad it's always going to be hard to compete over 38 games.

And yet ... watching Everton the last few weeks it feels like something has changed. Now when we go forward I'm expecting us to score. Jelavic, Pienaar and Fellaini are on fire, and when they're all starting it feels like there's noone we can't beat. If Moyes can rebuild his squad around them then maybe, just maybe ...
Richard Dodd
25 Posted 20/05/2012 at 09:50:06
Re Per Koldrup;I was talking to an Italian restauranteur in Southport last week (actually a pizza parlour!) and he told me he was in regular contact with Per. Apparently,he has been in and out of the Fiorentina side and has even played a few games in midfield.His contract expires this summer and he is likely to go back to play in Norway.
Matt Woods
26 Posted 20/05/2012 at 10:52:51
Life is short gents. I fucking love Everton. Today, Chelsea won the the CL. Good luck to them too! Life is over before we know it. LOVE Everton....just Love the blues...just love us....its all we have got to give. What more can we say....i am so bevvied... and the only thing i can think of is Everton...fucking love the blues.
Peter Thistle
27 Posted 20/05/2012 at 16:53:28
To be honest I don't think CL football or even Europa League football would be fun to watch with our current setup. We would get battered and embarassed like the Benfica 5-0 game. Who needs that? Until we have a bigger squad, it's not very appealing to go up against Real Madrid etc...
Barry Rathbone
28 Posted 20/05/2012 at 17:01:08
Being a glass half empty kinda guy Nick I won't offer an opinion, this seems an "optimists" post, just to say my guess is you work in direct sales.

Conservatories, photocopiers, advertising, telesales etc.
Thomas Windsor
29 Posted 20/05/2012 at 18:46:35
I would love to see Everton get off to a great start and beat the redshite 3 times in a season ? well, why not?
Gerry Quinn
30 Posted 20/05/2012 at 19:07:02
Matt #336 - are you an Evertonian per chance?
:)
Jason Lam
31 Posted 21/05/2012 at 07:02:19
Very nice article and summary of our recent ins and outs.

We have to face reality that the following teams will very likely take CL positions next season: Citeh, Manure, Arse, Chelski. Chelski's not ready to pack it all in yet as Roman's just realized there's one more stamp he can collect ? that's the World Club cup.

So, together with the Shite, Spuds, Barcodes maybe, we are left with, wait ? zilch CL places to fight for. Which means there will be no extra worthwhile income coming into the club that is not merchandise, sponsors, gates and Bill's mates.

Expect Jags to be sold late August. And the re-re-re-building of the team.
Mike Andrews
32 Posted 21/05/2012 at 08:32:55
See Matt is a glass fully empty kind of Evertonian
Paul Norman
33 Posted 21/05/2012 at 08:54:56
Krøldrup was a strange one. I don't buy that we suddenly discovered that he couldn't head a ball. I firmly believe that he was brought in with the expectation that we'd qualify for the Champions League. As soon as we were dumped out, he was never going to stay, we couldn't afford him.

We've had other signings that took a considerable amount of time to cement their first team place ? Baines, Jagielka, even Fellaini. Krøldrup was never given that luxury and, unfarily to my mind, branded a flop after one bad game against Villa, just so that he could be removed from the Champions League wage bill!
Denis Richardson
34 Posted 21/05/2012 at 10:32:43
Kroldrup was certainly a strange one. Bought for 5m, made I think 1 appearance, then was gone in Jan for 2-2.5m and no explanation from the club. Still, all managers make bad transfers but the Billy one was a bit odd as well. The fact that we paid 9m was not my main issue, my main worry is that Moyes clearly did not rate the guy and yet we hung onto him for 2.5 years. Maybe Billy didnt want to go but I find it odd we couldn't offload him back to Russia a lot sooner.

We'll never know I guess, dont think there will be too many English translations of Billys autobiography....
Gavin Ramejkis
35 Posted 21/05/2012 at 11:41:19
All managers great and small make mistakes with signings, the trouble with bad Everton signings are magnified for two prime reasons

1. We have a closer eye on our own team so more of a perspective of godd and shite

2. We are so potless that even £1m wasted is a big deal

You'd hope that the powers that be do their homework as thoroughly as possible, it wont eradicate the chances of problems but should reduce them signigifcantly
Dave Wilson
36 Posted 21/05/2012 at 11:59:15
I think the very fact that people still go on about bad buys we made 7-8 years ago illustrates just how few and far between they are at Everton.

Andrew Ellams
37 Posted 21/05/2012 at 12:08:21
Dave, buys full stop have been few and far between in recent seasons
Danny Burke
38 Posted 21/05/2012 at 17:29:53
Every manager has made buys that don't work out, ferguson bought Poborsky, Djemba Djemba, Kleberson, Taibi, even Veron. The difference being that he has had the funds to go out and cover these mistakes with other big money buys, Rooney, Ferdinand, Vidic, Berbatov etc.

For the most part, I reckon Moyes has done much more good buisness than bad.
Stephen Kenny
39 Posted 21/05/2012 at 18:06:48
The Bily deal was a bit odd. But I also remember at the time there was a lot of talk about Pienaar moving to the right hand side. It did actually happen when Bily had a hand in four goals on his debut against a greek side.

For me Moyes is second only to Wenger in terms of finding a player for buttons. Anyone who watched the CL final will know the result would have been very different if it was Jelavic up front instead of Gomez, and how much did he cost?

One thing that's sometimes forgotten is while we all talked about Moutinho and the like it was ultimately squad depth and poor starts(sometimes because of squad depth) that done us.

The season Chelsea beat us in the CC semi's Pienaar, Yobo and the Yak left for the Afcon when we were flying and comfortable in third.

Then there was a season when the whole spine of the side was out injured.

We also started with a bench full of kids one season with Baxter missing a sitter against WBA when he was 16.

No doubt Moyes was capable of getting us right up there given the right support. I'm just not sure events have affected him to a point where he no longer can?

The first half of this season says no he can't. The second half says he's still got it.
Paul David
40 Posted 21/05/2012 at 18:40:48
Steven

The thing is most of Moyes's big money buys (by our standards) have at least been questionable.He might have had some great buys for little money but i'm not sure I would trust him with a large transfer kitty.
Matt Traynor
41 Posted 21/05/2012 at 19:05:46
Paul #721 I think that's a bit harsh. By our standards, lets say a transfer of £5m plus is "big money", then the major ones that stick out in my mind are:

£15m Fellaini - showing more consistency, likely to yield at least money back if sold
£11.25m Yakubu - failure, injury didn't help. Question whether given enough of a chance on his return before being loaned out and sold
£9m Bilyaletdinov - not sure why he was bought, first thing he said was "I'm not a winger". Failure.
£8m Johnson - not sure he fitted our style. Sold at a profit
£6m Heitinga - player of the year, solid, dependable
£6m Distin - over-priced for a 30yo CB, but good player
£6m Beattie - failure after 1 decent season
£6m Baines - key player after taking a while to settle
£5.5m Jelavic - looks like a bargain
£5m Lescott - solid defender, made good profit
£5m Jagielka - solid player
£5m Kroldrup - sold on as soon as we failed to qualify for CL group stages

These are just some off the top of my head, but it's not exactly a list of shame as you suggest.

Also, whilst some of the fees are high, that's nothing to do with the manager, other than he sanctions whatever he feels he can afford from the available funds to bring a player in.

Not all players (e.g. Distin) will have a resale value but are necessary transfers at the time.

Overall I think given the limited funds we've had (and bearing in mind a lot of those funds were from major player sales) Moyes has done very well. Had he had more failures we may well have ended up in a very different place.
Paul David
42 Posted 21/05/2012 at 19:28:19
Matt

Making a profit on someone doesnt make a good signing even if it is good when it happens so I dont think justify the likes of Johnson as a success because we made money on him.Even Heitinga who I think is great has been wasted for over a season by being played out of position.

Fellaini as good as he is we were ripped off at the time,if we bought him a month earlier I doubt he would have cost a third of what we ended up paying.

Beattie was never decent.

Out of the signings you mentioned I would class 5 as failures and another 2 as vastly over paid for,not great out of 11 signings (Jag was only £4m).
Andy Crooks
43 Posted 21/05/2012 at 19:39:58
Some time ago I wrote an article titled"If Moyes had millions" I argued , basically, that I wouldn't trust him with a fortune. However, with what's been available I think he's done pretty well. Kroldrup was , in my view strong management. He made a howler admitted it and took the stick.

I actually think Bily is a good player who was not particularly well managed. This is not a pop at Moyes because every coach makes mistakes. I have many reservations about David Moyes but his transfer dealings are not among them.
Stephen Kenny
44 Posted 21/05/2012 at 20:05:09
Paul,

I'm going to have to be in the unfamiliar Moyes defender role here.

His really poor signings can be counted on the fingers of a leper. And even then the likes of Yakubu going wrong was down to injury. He was dynamite in his first year.

Kroldrup and Bily couldn't adapt to Englsih football and a few other small time gambles like avdm looked good deals but always carried a high degree of risk. We would never be able to get these players otherwise.

The very few really big money players we've been in for like Felliani, who was the second highest rated young player in Europe at that time, and Moutinho are all class. The type of money were paying for these is still buttons for all the sides around us too.

Moyes got a lot of stick over the Bily signing after a season because he wasted £9m. Same with Kroldrup

They are the only signings, hand on heart time, I can remember thinking what a big mistake this fella is.

Paul David
45 Posted 21/05/2012 at 20:34:20
Stephen

Yak's injury played its part but I think Moyes handled him bad on his return and ruined his confidence.I still think his signings over £5m have been more miss than hit for one reason or another.
Ian Bennett
46 Posted 21/05/2012 at 20:37:02
Who are your 5 failures Paul?
Paul David
47 Posted 21/05/2012 at 20:44:17
Ian

Out of them players listed

Billy
Yak
Johnson (even though I liked him)
Beattie
Kroldrup
Ian Bennett
48 Posted 21/05/2012 at 20:49:45
Paul - I would agree 3 out of 5.

The yak had a killer of an injury, plus he was probably the worst player you would want to come back for that injury. He was expensive, but that's what 20+ plus goal scorers go for.

Johnson was expensive, given most of his goals were from penalties at palace. Wegner finished him with his moan, and he never really recovered after that. Quick, limited ability english player. Had the misfortune to have to play with Beattie.

Beattie - the laziest signing we ever made. Absolute garbage. With the same money we could of signed Ashton and Darren bent who both moved to charlton and Norwich when we signed him. Who ever scouted Beattie should be shot.
Paul David
49 Posted 21/05/2012 at 21:01:28
Ian

It doesnt matter what reason a signing failed,just that they failed.Like I said earlier I think Moyes handled Yak badly and thats why I think he never got his form back.
John Daley
50 Posted 21/05/2012 at 20:58:42
Re: Per Kroldrup

I think it was simply a case of the player being totally unsuited to the pace and physicality of the English game. At least that's what he himself claims:

? It was very difficult to settle and fit in at Everton"

?I did not feel as a part of the team because I did not play. I had big problems in adapting to the playing style in England and also the hard play"

?The referees allow much more than I had ever tried before and that meant that the play becomes very fast. And I had big problems with that,?


John Daley
51 Posted 21/05/2012 at 21:04:49
Ian #744,

You seriously don't consider Bily to have been a failure then? For the fee paid, I would rate him as one of our worst ever signings.
Ian Bennett
52 Posted 21/05/2012 at 21:06:30
Paul - bit harsh. My acid test is given what you know now would you re-sign x, y and z.

Yak without that injury would I think have carried on scoring or would have moved to a top 4 team for more than we had paid.

Given the football graveyard of or centre forward signings Johnson was a relative success.

Here are my personal favourites of the graveyard:-

Mo johnson
John spencer
Bakayoko
Brett angel
Beattie
Mikel madar
Joe max Moore
Radzinski

Ian Bennett
53 Posted 21/05/2012 at 21:15:06
John - yes, him, kroldrup and Beattie were failures. Plus Simon Davies.
Paul David
54 Posted 21/05/2012 at 21:15:22
Ian

I agree the Yak would have continued scoring if not for the injury but he did get injured and was shite since,one great season followed by three shit seasons equals failure.
Mark Stone
55 Posted 21/05/2012 at 21:19:26
In hindsight, Andy Johnson did alright for Everton. We signed him for £8.6m and sold him for £10.5m. In the meantime he scored about 1 in 3, which included severa, appearances out wide. Not too shabby.
John Daley
56 Posted 21/05/2012 at 21:26:31
Apologies Ian,

I misread your post and thought you were listing Yakubu, Johnson and Beattie as the three failures.

Never mention Simon Davies to me again though. It's like slapping Bruce Banner across the face with a wet sock.
Ian Bennett
57 Posted 22/05/2012 at 20:36:19
Doddy ? why would Krøldrop go back to Norway? He is Danish, and only played in Denmark.

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