Moyes to Spurs

Now that 'Arry has gone from Spurs and Moyes is favourite to take over, whats the thoughts now that there is a real possibility of him going rather than just speculation ?

I know what I think!

I am sure that Bill Kenwright will do all he can to keep his man, but if Moyes does go, what next for us?  We could quite feasibly be back for pre season with Alan Stubbs and Steve Round temporarily running things. 

If this is the scenario we are facing, I would be interested to know supporters views as to what  path we should be going down in order to find a replacement.

Thats just pure speculation.

I am not a Moyes hater - just frustrated with the bloke - we have some good attacking players - just give them more of a chance is all I ask. I don't expect to go to Stamford Bridge, The Emirates etc with " gung ho" tactics - but is it too much to ask that when we play the likes of Wigan at home we can play from the start with a recognised striker in the team?? Yes we won that game 3-1 - but only after he brought on some attacking players from the bench - so I hardly call that a vindication of his tactics. The lovers of " free flowing" attacking football at White Hart Lane will not want to put up with the " functional tactics" that have become too prevalent under Moyes.

Michael Brian - you do realise that Spurs default formation for 95% of their games is 4-5-1 - (most teams play 4-5-1) They've only 3 bone-fide forwards in their whole first team squad, including sick-note Saha. They've a wealth of attacking midfield players; including Bale, Modric, Lennon, Pienaar, Van-der-Vaart - are you really suggesting that Moyes would instruct these to defend?

As for functional tactics - these depend upon the players you have at your disposal - if you've functional players, you'll play functional tactics - when Everton have had better than average attacking players available - they play decent football... even under Moyes. For evidence: check out the two spells when Landon Donovan has been here; check out the season we were out-footballing every team we come across for a 20 game spell until Arteta was crocked at Newcastle - check out the second half of last season when our penny pinching chairman splashed a little bit of cash and for 5 million we got Jelavic, Pienaar, Donovan and Gibson and played some outstanding stuff.

You're right about Liverpool though - unforgivable ineptness; the manager for dropping 6 at Anfield and the players for flying the white flag at Wembley - we showed them far too much respect and Moyes cops most of the blame for that in my book (plus the fantastic defender Distin for an aberration of a back pass that will probably have him waking up in a cold sweat the rest of his natural)

A Job that pays the most is ultimately the bottom line in football just like anywhere else. Moyes is already on more than what Redknapp was and Bk will bump it up to kill off any interest. The spurs job is not a strong enough pull to tempt Moyes to take a pay cut. Perhaps only the Utd job would be.

Lets see what happens first before we go off into mass speculation on which manager and what player etc. A change of manager does not mean the club is dead and all the players want to leave. (Maybe some of them would seretly like to be managed by a more creative and tactically better manager!).

If Moyes were to go I wouldn't be too unhappy with Holloway, my big blue heart would love Big Dunc with a good coach beside him but maybe that's heart over head! I think 'no fear' would be the new motto at least anyhow.

The worry is would Fellaini and Baines, maybe even Jelavic, start making noises about moving on, seeing the departure of Moyes to a club who, lets face it, are hardly Manchester Utd, as the sure sign of the rot setting in? But as Denis (111) says, maybe others might see it as an opportunity to get a run in the side. It would be incredible if in a squad of 20-25 players there wouldn't be some who didn't particularly care for Moyes and his management.

As for who would come in, I wouldn't mind Mark Hughes. I know he didn't exactly endear himself with some of his comments during the Lescott saga, but he did a fair job at Blackburn, was unlucky at Man City and appears to be stuck in a lunatic asylum at QPR!

Swansea have just confirmed Laudrup as manager. They may have had a clause with Rodgers, but I'd imagine there's very few from there he'd really want. The only one was Siggurdson, who was on loan, and he's trumped the transfer.

If Moyes were to go, we could be creative and instead of £3m compo, ask for Pienaar?

Plus, would Moyes really want to come and work with Levy? Redknapp gave Spurs their most consistent highest league finishes in 30 or 40 years. They rewarded him by sacking him. Martin Jol turned them from mid table to top half and knocking on the Champions League door. He was fired during a night match at WHL in humiliating and disrespectful circumstances. Ramos guided them to a rare trophy and was fired within 6 months. During his 10 years in charge of Everton, Moyes has faced 7 different managers at WHL. I just cannot see him uprooting his family who are settled in the North West (having lived there since his Preston days) to move South and into such a volatile role. It's too risky and he would be trading in some very valuable chips (Finch Farm, our superior youth set up) to potentially be gone within a year if Levy gets impatient.

How does that work?

He said "more than his prayers" to the Blue Union ? I missed that one... Though if he even thought of going with Neville, there would be an uproar. I know Kenwright will be the guy choosing the next manager (not for a long time as Moyes is not leaving anytime soon) but a top 8 side in the Premier League would attract a good coach and not useless cretins like Stubbs.

"not useless cretins like Stubbs. "

Stop making a prick of yourself. Stubbs is a decent man and a good Evertonian.
You cretin.

Seems like Levy is a bit jaundiced by bankrolling Harry to the tune of £80m net and the till being slammed shut by Chelsea and a poor finish. So, if he's looking for his money back wouldn't Moyes just be moving straight into the scenario he's in now?

Plus I think Levy would've taken one look at Stretford and said 'you an take him with you too'. Good.

And finally - well said Ray Roche.

What worries me far more than losing Moyes are reports of Kenwright making him "one of the best-paid managers in Europe" to hold onto him. Moyes is already one of those 'best paid', and wasn't he suggesting not so long ago that everyone take a 20% pay cut?

So, Kenwright can find money to hold onto Moyes? Why, so he doesn't have to find someone else who will toe the line?

I must say I thought it was unarguable. The facts speak for themselves. Moyes?s most successful signings have unquestionably been Cahill, for only £2M, Howard for £3M Arteta for £2M Pienaar for £2M and Lescott (given the £24M sell-on fee) for £2.5M. Early evidence suggests you can already add Jelavic to that list at £5.5M, a fraction of what others paid for misfiring forwards. All were great signings at bargain basement prices and all praise is due to him for that.

It?s when you look up market that he actually gets less for the money. Bilyaletdinov at £9M ? more than three times what we paid for Arteta, Johnson for £9M. Yakubu for £11M. Beattie £6.5M.

His most expensive signing of all is of course Fellaini at £13M and while he had a good second half of the season, I think it?s fair to say the jury is still out. It has taken him two seasons to get settled. He?s often clumsy and ungainly, sometimes lazy, gives away too many free kicks and is frustratingly inconsistent.

Even if Fellaini proves in coming seasons to be the ?rock? Steve Round claims he is, the general point still holds that the more Moyes spends the less he seems to get. Spurs isn?t looking for someone more comfortable in the bargain rack than browsing the top shelves.

I think the jury came back a long time ago with a verdict of 'world class'.

But let's not let the facts get in the way of the point being made.

And Jelavic only cost 1m less than Beattie.

If you think Stubbs is a decent Evertonian then you are more of a prick then you think I am.

A man who told the badgekisser to move as soon as he could ( exactly like Radzinski who is pilloried for it but not dear Alan)

A man who smuggled said bald granny shagging fuckwit out of Everton's training ground in the boot of his car

A man who lied about Everton inputting a "cancer clause" in his new contract when the club did nothing of the sort and who then left for a pay rise before coming back with his tail between his legs when his dream move didnt work out

Oh aye some Evertonian Stubbs is.

Rest assured, I am not alone in regarding you as making a prick of yourself. Can you back up, with a semblance of accuracy, all your claims? "coming back with his tail betwen his legs"...a bit like Pienaar, then. Or Kendall MK2 and MK3. Or Ferguson.(I'd like you to say that to his face) Football is littered with players and managers who have returned to the scene of former glories, sometimes it works, sometime it doesn't, but Stubbs is still an Evertonian who gave his all for the club and still came and watched from the stands when he wasn't playing.

I am assuming you are referring to Rooney as the badgekisser. So, let's take that one , shall we. According to Sean The Oracle Patton, Stubbs was wrong to offer a young mate some advice, advice which has left Rooney with 4 Premier League medals, 2 League Cups, and a CL League madal, as well as a huge salary, none of which he would have attained had he stayed at Everton. Not a bad haul, hey? And not bad advice, as it turned out. Believe me, I was as pissed off as the next fan when he left, and the manner in which he left , but hindsight has made me think that it was a good move for him, and may have saved us from administration for all we know. (Let's not forget the part played in this case by our illustrious leader, either.)

I am not aware of Stubbs being "A man who smuggled said bald granny shagging fuckwit out of Everton's training ground in the boot of his car " , it's a long time since I stood at the gates of the training ground hoping for autographs so I have to bow to your superior knowledge on that, and I am completely in the dark regarding your claim re the "cancer clause", again, maybe you can , from your position of authority, enlighten us all as to what you mean by that. Factually, not guesswork or stuff you've heard in the alehouse.

Maybe you're one of the Lottery Of Life winners, and maybe Stubbs is just a cretin.

But I doubt it.

So anything you are not aware of is a lie right because you know everything about Everton and all the goings on at the club,mmm ok then.

I remember the media frenzy about Stubbs and his cancer clause claim even if you do not and and thinking how could the club sink so low but he was trying to get a 2 year deal instead of a 1 year deal that the club offered and instigated unfounded claims that dragged the clubs name through the dirt.

Instead of dishing out insults and being a keyboard warrior why dont you type the words "Alan Stubbs cancer clause" into a search engine and maybe next time think before you type.

If you read what I have written at no point do I suggest you are a liar.
What I have done is point out that you are selective in your criticism. Stubbs is crawling back with his tail between his legs but Pienaar, Kendall and Ferguson aren't quite the same.mmmm..

I also regard Stubbs giving a younger (and thicker) team mate some sound advice a good thing, it's what mates do. Rooney would never have won anything at Everton but he's done pretty good in heeding Stubbs advice. Or am I making that up?
I will certainly look up the "cancer clause" when I have a bit more time (golf course beckons) and will respond in due course. I
As for dishing out insults, I suppose calling Stubbs a cretin doesn't come into that category in your world.

And please don't use pathetic lines like "keyboard warrior". I'm assuming you have left school so it's all a little childish.

Yes it was a curious case of what seemed like point scoring in which neither side covered themselves in glory.

Ray

I called Stubbs a cretin judging by your reaction you would think I was mooning in the face of Dave Hickson.

In the interest of impartiality and clarity can I ask

Are you friends with Alan Stubbs?
Are you releated to Alan Stubbs ?
Are you infact Alan Stubbs himself?

The nature of his departure is why I said he came back crawling with his tail between his legs not the issue of him returning just the circumstances.

You call me a prick but I am the one who is being childish and then insuinate/accuse (delete as appropriate) me of making stuff up and hearing stuff in the alehouse when the player profile of Stubbs on this very site has all the details I have mentioned, I am not a fantasist living in a one room bedsit in Manchester!

You call him a good Evertonian, I dispute this he is not in the same league as
Brian Labone
Gordon West
Joe Royle
Peter Reid

But I guess that is me living in my world which I must say I prefer to inhabit as in my world people dont comment without being informed of all the facts and the stance on Golf mirrors that of Mark Twain.

If you still think that calling Stubbs a useless cretin is OK then, clearly, no-one is going to change your mind. I tend to think that someone who has been a good player and, to a degree, a good ambassador for Everton deserves to be treated with a little bit more respect than you do. The players you mention, Labone etc, are in a different league to just about any former player, so you will hear no argument from me on that score.

As for accusing you of making stuff up, I have read the article you mention on this site and still can't find anything about Stubbs smuggling the Granny Shagger out in the boot of his car. Incidentally, there is nothing wrong with shagging Grannies ? something to which many of the older (me included) posters on here will attest.

As for the actual cancer clause, it is unclear as to who is more accurately reporting the case: Stubbs or EFC, but seeing how truly honest Everton have been under Kim Jong Bill (Kings Dock, 'ring-fenced' cash, Samuelson, DK etc), I would be more inclined to believe Stubbs than Bill. Wouldn't you? Incidentally, I am NOT Stubbs, and I am equally glad that you have admitted to not living in a Manchester bedsit. That was to be my next question...

Finally, I regret calling you a prick and apologise.

ps: "There's nothing wrong with golf." ? Mark Twain. Now THAT'S a prick.