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Why no Barkley?
42 Comments: After a couple of man of the match performances, why is Barkley on the bench? If ever a game [Wigan] was shouting out for a player like Barkley, this game was it.
So can anyone tell me why?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but has Wayne Rooney missed a game since he scored that cracker against Arsenal, either for Everton or the Mancs?
If you're good enough, you're old enough.
Colin Malone, Posted 18/09/2011 at 15:25:09
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I would think he will play on Wednesday.
We win and still the moaning continues
There is no harm in using him as a sub/impact player at the moment but I would rather he started instead of billy who is a constant waste of space. Barkley and drenthe could have had a half each.
Fucking hell. Toffeeweb, how about a bit of fucking variation? Not every post has to play with the Kenwright out/Moyes can't manage narrative.
I don't remember if Rooney was dropped altogether after that goal against Arsenal, but he definitely made a lot of late substitute appearances over the following months. We whinged about that too.
Rooney was kept warming the bench until going to Manchester United. Terrible handling of him if you ask me.
Aiden - the facts are
in the 28 games after the Arsenal game, Rooney started in 11 of them and that was 3 of the next 20 and all of the last 8.
He was a used sub in 13 of the 17 games he did not start.
So an impact sub.
in the 28 games after the Arsenal game, Rooney started in 11 of them and that was 3 of the next 20 and all of the last 8.
He was a used sub in 13 of the 17 games he did not start.
So an impact sub.
hes 17. hes had a triple leg break. he should be used sparingly whilst other players are fit as he will be needed to start a lot of games as the season goes on because other players will get injured
Who would he have replaced? Moyes drenthe on for bily, vellios on for cahill and straq on for coleman ( i think). All 3 subs contributed to the turn around in fortunes so why are you questioning the wisdom of the substitutions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
* Moyes brought
If we can rest him here and there, why not?
If he's resting him, why play and risk him for 90 mins in the reserves? Or let him play for the Under-21s?
It worked for Moyes yesterday, but we were fuckin awful to watch, and the game was crying out for our most creative player.
Barkley................
It worked for Moyes yesterday, but we were fuckin awful to watch, and the game was crying out for our most creative player.
Barkley................
Never mind we won ffs and We win and still the moaning continues.
Those who have played the game and got man of the match, would be very deflated to get dropped. How the fuck do you build confidence in a player. As i said, if your good enough, your old enough and by the way, it was like watching paint dry until the last 10 minutes.
Those who have played the game and got man of the match, would be very deflated to get dropped. How the fuck do you build confidence in a player. As i said, if your good enough, your old enough and by the way, it was like watching paint dry until the last 10 minutes.
Thanks Phil.
Colin, In answer to your question yes Rooney missed a hatful after Arsenal.
Couple of Man of the Match performances. Says who?
I dont understand why playing Wigan was a call for Barclay ?.
I watched the reserves midweek and Barclay stood out a mile , "class" i said after one little period of play and the fella behind me agreed. Ross played the full game so i didn't expect him to start against Wigan.
I was suprised that Maggie didn't get a run or at least be on the bench .
Ross is one for the future and needs to be brought along slowly, he will get his chance.
I watched the reserves midweek and Barclay stood out a mile , "class" i said after one little period of play and the fella behind me agreed. Ross played the full game so i didn't expect him to start against Wigan.
I was suprised that Maggie didn't get a run or at least be on the bench .
Ross is one for the future and needs to be brought along slowly, he will get his chance.
I dont think there's a problem with bringing him on the way we are. I for one wanted him to come on on saturday cos the game was crying out for him but we didnt and we found a way to win anyway.
I think after his last couple of stand out performances, Moyes wanted to take the spotlight off him and for once this season, the media havent mentioned the young mans name and it doesnt look like we need him to be are saviour, like in a way the press like to label him as if ya get what i mean?!.
Some press went as far to say that were starting to rely on him to turn games for us and thats alot of pressure on a 17 year olds shoulders and i think Moyesy wanted to show that we dont rely on him and rightly so we dont, as good as he is right now at a young age.
Lets bring him on nicely without the pressure and let him enjoy his football and without being in the spotlight too much and having that added pressure, he will play freely and enjoy his football and will come on in leaps and bounds in my opinion.
I think with whats happened to Rodwell over the last 2 years or so, it's played on the back of Moyesies mind and he's kind of holding back Barkley from exposing him to too much football and expectation early on and he doesnt want Barkley to stagnate like Rodwell as IMO.
I think after his last couple of stand out performances, Moyes wanted to take the spotlight off him and for once this season, the media havent mentioned the young mans name and it doesnt look like we need him to be are saviour, like in a way the press like to label him as if ya get what i mean?!.
Some press went as far to say that were starting to rely on him to turn games for us and thats alot of pressure on a 17 year olds shoulders and i think Moyesy wanted to show that we dont rely on him and rightly so we dont, as good as he is right now at a young age.
Lets bring him on nicely without the pressure and let him enjoy his football and without being in the spotlight too much and having that added pressure, he will play freely and enjoy his football and will come on in leaps and bounds in my opinion.
I think with whats happened to Rodwell over the last 2 years or so, it's played on the back of Moyesies mind and he's kind of holding back Barkley from exposing him to too much football and expectation early on and he doesnt want Barkley to stagnate like Rodwell as IMO.
I feel that it is interesting that more and more often people with positive contributions are starting to raise there head above the parapit, long may it continue
Rooney didn't play enough for us. In hindsight, if we'd known we were selling him to Man U, I'd have flogged him to death and made him play in every minute of every game.
You can see the hype has been growing about Barkley and I assume Moyes is 'protecting' him. If we end up selling him though, similarly to Rooney, I'll have wished we'd have played him more. In the end who are we protecting him for?
You can see the hype has been growing about Barkley and I assume Moyes is 'protecting' him. If we end up selling him though, similarly to Rooney, I'll have wished we'd have played him more. In the end who are we protecting him for?
I watched yesterdays game in which Leon Osman in most supporters eyes and myself, STUNK. WHY? because no other midfielder was within two yards of him. We had two defensive midfielders, a gap, then Osman. To get the best out of Osman, he needs players who he can play the give and go game.
I'd rather see him not played, than ruined by being played out of position.
Because in his last appearance he was starting to fall apart and gave up a penalty. He's a young kid and that very likely could have effected his confidence, which you wouldn't know but the manager and the team who get to see him every day in training would. We won yesterday with each of Moyes' substitutes proving good moves, something he's constantly criticized for. He brought Drenthe on early, then Vellios on with plenty of time to make an impact, which he did. That midfield he started with was the same one that played very well against Villa and got 2 goals. Why the constant need to find fault. Just try to be fucking happy for a change, fucking hell.
He was man of the match against QPR, didn't play so well against Blackburn and was left out for the Villa game, a game where the 11 who started played well.
He will play against West Brom in midweek.
He will play against West Brom in midweek.
Barks-
in as much as I'd like to see Barkley in the starting XI I agree wholeheartedly.
Tons to bitch about at the moment... Moyes did well yesterday.
in as much as I'd like to see Barkley in the starting XI I agree wholeheartedly.
Tons to bitch about at the moment... Moyes did well yesterday.
He made a mistake and gave away a penalty but that isn't an excuse not to play him and not playing him will hinder his development. Moyes has his many good points but protecting young players is often a weakness not a strength.
Maybe, against all odds, we actually DO have competition for places at the moment.
I thought Bily did alright in the first half, but to me he just doesnt look to have the fitness to go longer than an hour in the game. Also he has a left foot and was playing on the left, and people would still moan if Barkley was playing there. I would eventually love to see Barkley playing in front of Osman and Fellaini, with a proper striker in front of them, but Moyes wont drop Cahill!!
The consistent moaning is getting a little wearing now. Barkley is a young player breaking into a first team that's full of seasoned pros an internationals. He's already had a few good run-outs, but Moyes is trying to hone a winning formula first (after battering Villa but coming back with only 1 point).
If there were any justice we should have taken the points off Villa and be sat in 4th now on 9 points from 4 games. Although then again if there really was justice we'd probably have got a draw at least against QPR in game 1 but been battered at Blackburn and so be on 7 points...oh, maybe there is justice.
Personally I'm pleasantly surprised with how things are turning (even if it has been an 'easy' run so far), let's reserve judgement on where we really are for next weekend after another cup round and resurgent City away.
If there were any justice we should have taken the points off Villa and be sat in 4th now on 9 points from 4 games. Although then again if there really was justice we'd probably have got a draw at least against QPR in game 1 but been battered at Blackburn and so be on 7 points...oh, maybe there is justice.
Personally I'm pleasantly surprised with how things are turning (even if it has been an 'easy' run so far), let's reserve judgement on where we really are for next weekend after another cup round and resurgent City away.
Barkley has become an Everton legend sooner than big Dunc did
Moyes always said he would protect young Barkley by not playing him in every game this season. I for one don't have a problem with that as long as he (Barkley) doeasn't have a problem with it either.
Remember, the lad had a horrific injury not so long ago so lets not overload him just yet.
Remember, the lad had a horrific injury not so long ago so lets not overload him just yet.
Because Moyes decided on a team to start that didnt include him this week, he then made some subs and decided that in this game he wouldnt be bringing on Ross, we then won the game 3-1 so why does it matter!? He has already stated that he wont play him in every single game!
could it be because Shamus Coleman was fit again and after he played so well last year he deserved to be in the team and given a chance ahead of a 17 year old, no matter how tallented the kid is.
The penalty that Barkley gave away was never a penalty in a million years and the cheating, diving twat that jumped over his leg should have got a 10 match ban for such a blatant piece of cheating. A great way to knock the confidence of a very promising young kid
Good point David Alexander.
There's no need to rush Barkley. He's 17 ffs!
Let him get some game time without putting too much pressure on him and in the meantime Moyes made 3 subs who won the game for us on Saturday.
There's no need to rush Barkley. He's 17 ffs!
Let him get some game time without putting too much pressure on him and in the meantime Moyes made 3 subs who won the game for us on Saturday.
I agree that we have to be carefull with Barkley but that game was crying out for his guile and skill as Felliani yes Felliani was the worst player on the pitch and had a nightmare along with the rest of the midfield with only Rodwell first half being anywhere near on there games.
I also have to agree with others that the win was the most important thing, played well against Villa got a point when we deserved all 3 yet the performance against Wigan was no where near that of the Villa game but got the 3 points which justifies any decisions Moyes made, so it works both ways.
I also have to agree with others that the win was the most important thing, played well against Villa got a point when we deserved all 3 yet the performance against Wigan was no where near that of the Villa game but got the 3 points which justifies any decisions Moyes made, so it works both ways.
My two cents on the matter is that Barkley has a long way to go before he is a first team 'regular'. He may be a really good prospect but with his terrible injury and the fact he has never played higher than reserve football before this season makes me want him to bide his time. He will play games, look at Rodwell now, and he isn't too much older.
What we should all be concerned about right now is that our best chance of a goalscoring striker is only 19 and joined us in January.
What we should all be concerned about right now is that our best chance of a goalscoring striker is only 19 and joined us in January.
My two cents on the matter is that Barkley has a long way to go before he is a first team 'regular'. He may be a really good prospect but with his terrible injury and the fact he has never played higher than reserve football before this season makes me want him to bide his time. He will play games, look at Rodwell now, and he isn't too much older.
What we should all be concerned about right now is that our best chance of a goalscoring striker is only 19 and joined us in January.
What we should all be concerned about right now is that our best chance of a goalscoring striker is only 19 and joined us in January.
Let's be honest,Moyes doesn't know what he's doing except Moyes himself..
Wigan could easily have tied the game up before Royston clinched it and Moyes has to ask himself where we are defensively as well offensively where Timmie and Ossie just don't cut it.
Yes it's good to win and be above Dalglish's mob but there will be some real serious tests by the end of October.
Wigan could easily have tied the game up before Royston clinched it and Moyes has to ask himself where we are defensively as well offensively where Timmie and Ossie just don't cut it.
Yes it's good to win and be above Dalglish's mob but there will be some real serious tests by the end of October.
Let's get things right, when Rooney was the best player for England in the European championship's, Moyes still had the lad on the bench for Everton... Moyes is an idiot! Barkley and the young lads should play... then, if they look tired or not playing well, then take them off. Don't leave them on the bench ? they need games! And let's be honest, we have not got the class players who can keep them on the bench all the time ? eg, Osman!!!
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