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37 Comments: I see that Seamus Coleman has expressed his hopes that our very own Sideshow Bob, Fellaini, signs a new contract and stays.
If I remember correctly, this was the line taken last year with Pienaar and about the same time of year too.
Added to the noises from Moyes et al that a deal is "not too far away" this has the feeling of déjà vu. Or a recurring nightmare. I just hope the Bank doesn't want all of the cash this time....
Steve Guy, Posted 04/11/2011 at 18:59:08
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Brendan McLaughlin
2 Posted 04/11/2011 at 22:41:10
2 Posted 04/11/2011 at 22:41:10
Tony, you remind me of the guys walking around with the "End of the World" placards...eventually they are going to get it right.
Kiern Moran
3 Posted 04/11/2011 at 23:02:47
3 Posted 04/11/2011 at 23:02:47
Since our midfield is currently built around the Fellaini/Rodwell axis, I can't see him leaving, personally. Especially with Cahill soon to retire from a guaranteed spot as our man in the gap. Where would Fellaini go? To join a bench with Pienaar somewhere.
Ben Jones
4 Posted 04/11/2011 at 23:27:20
4 Posted 04/11/2011 at 23:27:20
Not a chance, Kiern. He's good enough to play for the majority of teams in Europe. In the Premier League, the only teams that he would not be in the first team is City, Spurs and Utd (even that one is debatable).
He'd walk in the others. Far better than Pienaar?
He'd walk in the others. Far better than Pienaar?
Tony Marsh
5 Posted 04/11/2011 at 23:27:27
5 Posted 04/11/2011 at 23:27:27
Kiern.@3 Fellaini can double his money easily at most Premier League clubs and have the luxury of playing proper football for a change.
Why is it we still have fans who haven't woken up to what's wrong here? We are being slowly dragged into oblivion by Kenwright and Moyes and you still can't see it. It's all a big joke and we will soon be bought out... FFS ? WAKE UP!!!
Were you not embarrassed by Moyes being used as a puppet/muppet in front of the Sky cameras today, talking about takeovers? Those twats must think we are all thick as shit.
Why is it we still have fans who haven't woken up to what's wrong here? We are being slowly dragged into oblivion by Kenwright and Moyes and you still can't see it. It's all a big joke and we will soon be bought out... FFS ? WAKE UP!!!
Were you not embarrassed by Moyes being used as a puppet/muppet in front of the Sky cameras today, talking about takeovers? Those twats must think we are all thick as shit.
Eric Myles
6 Posted 04/11/2011 at 23:48:23
6 Posted 04/11/2011 at 23:48:23
Tony, perhaps you can tell us which games Bily has started regularly in over the last 2 seasons in order to make him a Moyes favourite that cannot be dropped?
Or even which ones he has come on as sub?
I'd be surprised if it was more than half a dozen irregular appearances over 2 seasons.
Or even which ones he has come on as sub?
I'd be surprised if it was more than half a dozen irregular appearances over 2 seasons.
Gerry Morrison
7 Posted 05/11/2011 at 00:23:53
7 Posted 05/11/2011 at 00:23:53
Whenever Tony Marsh comes on with the "stinking carcass, manager is a gobshite" line, it is usually followed by a resounding win. Accordingly, I am very optimistic about tomorrow.
Steve Guy
8 Posted 05/11/2011 at 00:50:02
8 Posted 05/11/2011 at 00:50:02
I think you are all being distracted by Mr Marsh's comments. This is about the next stage-managed exit of one of our better players to service an increasingly burdensome debt.......
Ian Tunstead
9 Posted 05/11/2011 at 00:52:28
9 Posted 05/11/2011 at 00:52:28
Why has "Moyes one of the best in the World" thread been closed? I was in the middle of a discussion.
Michael Kenrick
Editorial Team
10 Posted 05/11/2011 at 01:41:46
Editorial Team
10 Posted 05/11/2011 at 01:41:46
Gerry, you might be onto something there... very few of Tony's monotonous posts, and we have failed to win 5 of the last 6.
Derek Thomas
11 Posted 05/11/2011 at 02:35:06
11 Posted 05/11/2011 at 02:35:06
I've said it before (assuming Moyes actually has a say in all this, no matter what the public statements say).
Give Fellaini until close of business friday 23rd Dec, I mean how long does it take, both sides must have figures they won't go over or won't go under.
If he doesn't sign, leak, circulate the fact and see who if any comes in in Jan for him.
We will then see if he is as good as his Dad / Agent bigs him up to be.
My big worry is that if we do get an offer that tempts us That the banks will hijack what's left after we pay off what we owe for him.
Give Fellaini until close of business friday 23rd Dec, I mean how long does it take, both sides must have figures they won't go over or won't go under.
If he doesn't sign, leak, circulate the fact and see who if any comes in in Jan for him.
We will then see if he is as good as his Dad / Agent bigs him up to be.
My big worry is that if we do get an offer that tempts us That the banks will hijack what's left after we pay off what we owe for him.
John Ford
12 Posted 05/11/2011 at 04:20:07
12 Posted 05/11/2011 at 04:20:07
Hope we keep Fellaini as he's our best player and we need all the decent players we can get at present. Can't see the reason for any club statements about how close or otherwise he is to resigning, there doesn't seem to be any real purpose to this.
Comments about players 'rotting' at Everton is bizarre. Arteta, Lescott, Pienaar, Jags, Cahill, Baines, Donovan and Colemen have all improved greatly under Moyes.... but then that's an inconvenient truth for some.
Comments about players 'rotting' at Everton is bizarre. Arteta, Lescott, Pienaar, Jags, Cahill, Baines, Donovan and Colemen have all improved greatly under Moyes.... but then that's an inconvenient truth for some.
Ray Roche
13 Posted 05/11/2011 at 07:46:01
13 Posted 05/11/2011 at 07:46:01
Tony@5
"Fellaini can double his money easily at most Premier League clubs "
I think that is the reason most players move to any club.Money.Remember Robinho at City? He thought he'd signed for Chelsea.His agent just got the move which paid the most.
"Fellaini can double his money easily at most Premier League clubs "
I think that is the reason most players move to any club.Money.Remember Robinho at City? He thought he'd signed for Chelsea.His agent just got the move which paid the most.
Ciarán McGlone
14 Posted 05/11/2011 at 10:01:50
14 Posted 05/11/2011 at 10:01:50
I'd love to know what he's done to attract this adulation. Inconsistent all season and yet some people think he'd walk into most teams in Europe.
If our best little spaniard was still here he wouldn't even get into our team on current form.
Our midfield should be built around Powell and Barkley.
Would we really miss him? I don't think so.
If our best little spaniard was still here he wouldn't even get into our team on current form.
Our midfield should be built around Powell and Barkley.
Would we really miss him? I don't think so.
Ciarán McGlone
15 Posted 05/11/2011 at 10:09:53
15 Posted 05/11/2011 at 10:09:53
Rodwell
Simon Atkins
16 Posted 05/11/2011 at 10:26:18
16 Posted 05/11/2011 at 10:26:18
It's this simple, sign your contract before 1st January or be sold.
Ryan Holroyd
17 Posted 05/11/2011 at 10:29:27
17 Posted 05/11/2011 at 10:29:27
He's our best player by a distance so course we'd miss him.
Why should our midfield be build around Barkley? What has he actually done in the games he's played? People are going far to over board about Barkley.
Fellaini is twice the player Barkley is. At the moment at least.
Why should our midfield be build around Barkley? What has he actually done in the games he's played? People are going far to over board about Barkley.
Fellaini is twice the player Barkley is. At the moment at least.
Ciarán McGlone
18 Posted 05/11/2011 at 11:26:11
18 Posted 05/11/2011 at 11:26:11
How exactly is he our best player by a distance Ryan? Not on the basis of anything i.ve seen this season. Care to explain this rather fantastic claim?
Oliver Molloy
19 Posted 05/11/2011 at 11:31:27
19 Posted 05/11/2011 at 11:31:27
Tony @ 1
£10 milion for Arteta was a good deal for Everton,and i do not agree that "he is on fire" at his new club.
Certainly the way they play will suit Arteta,but there have been no "man of the match" performances from him to date.
I think you will see when JW gets back fit,Arteta may even drop to the bench.
£10 milion for Arteta was a good deal for Everton,and i do not agree that "he is on fire" at his new club.
Certainly the way they play will suit Arteta,but there have been no "man of the match" performances from him to date.
I think you will see when JW gets back fit,Arteta may even drop to the bench.
Elaine Riding
20 Posted 05/11/2011 at 11:39:51
20 Posted 05/11/2011 at 11:39:51
Ciaran #18...
Of course he is the best player by a distance..
Its all the killer defence splitting passes.. oh.. its all the set pieces he takes with such precision.. oh.. it must be the goals he scores from midfield, double figures a cert each season.. oh.. box to box bursts.. oh.. fuck it, just watch how well he plays today against Newcastle then, you wil see.. oh.. suspended again..
Anyway, he must be good enough to become Evertons highest earner ever, cos his dad thinks he is great !
Of course he is the best player by a distance..
Its all the killer defence splitting passes.. oh.. its all the set pieces he takes with such precision.. oh.. it must be the goals he scores from midfield, double figures a cert each season.. oh.. box to box bursts.. oh.. fuck it, just watch how well he plays today against Newcastle then, you wil see.. oh.. suspended again..
Anyway, he must be good enough to become Evertons highest earner ever, cos his dad thinks he is great !
Brian Waring
21 Posted 05/11/2011 at 11:38:03
21 Posted 05/11/2011 at 11:38:03
I don't get all the hype over Fellaini. He is a player who has shown glimpses, and could go on to be a top quality player ( Hopefuly for us ) but for some to come out with ' World class ' as they have done in the past is ridiclious, he's not even a top quality player yet.
Ciarán McGlone
22 Posted 05/11/2011 at 11:47:42
22 Posted 05/11/2011 at 11:47:42
oliver. I.ve watched most of the arsenal games this season. Arteta has been their most consistent midfield player.
Ian Tunstead
23 Posted 05/11/2011 at 11:42:49
23 Posted 05/11/2011 at 11:42:49
Ciarán, its all a matter of opinions but i cant see why you think Rodwell is better than Fellaini. Could you explain why you think the team should be built around Rodwell rather than Fellaini?
From what i have seen comparing the 2, Fellaini is better than Rodwell in every department. He is far more involved in every game, he is better defensively breaking up play more than Rodwell, he's more effective going forward, uses the ball better the Rodwell, better in the air, covers more ground in a game and i would be very suprised if he didnt have a better pass completion rate or make more forward passes than Rodwell in a game rather than safety first sidways and backwards passes that only end up getting hoofed up the pitch anyway.
From what i have seen comparing the 2, Fellaini is better than Rodwell in every department. He is far more involved in every game, he is better defensively breaking up play more than Rodwell, he's more effective going forward, uses the ball better the Rodwell, better in the air, covers more ground in a game and i would be very suprised if he didnt have a better pass completion rate or make more forward passes than Rodwell in a game rather than safety first sidways and backwards passes that only end up getting hoofed up the pitch anyway.
James Stewart
24 Posted 05/11/2011 at 11:58:37
24 Posted 05/11/2011 at 11:58:37
Fellaini this season has been poor. I do think he has the most potential out of our midfield though. At his best he is the closest thing I have seen to Viera at his peak. He is very very inconsistent though and that is a concern. If we were offered decent money though I think Moyes would take it as it would probably suit both parties.
I would much rather see Rodwell sold personally as I think he is the most overrated hyped up player I have ever seen! The new Carrick!
I would much rather see Rodwell sold personally as I think he is the most overrated hyped up player I have ever seen! The new Carrick!
Ciarán McGlone
25 Posted 05/11/2011 at 12:09:17
25 Posted 05/11/2011 at 12:09:17
And what exactly are you basing all these opinions on Ian? This season? Last season? When exactly has he proven all these things? Rodwell has been at a disadvantage - not given game time and played out of position. I happen to think he has more potential if used properly and allowed to develope properly.
Ian Tunstead
26 Posted 05/11/2011 at 12:13:32
26 Posted 05/11/2011 at 12:13:32
I agree James, potetialy the new Carrick, at the moment the new Jenas.
Ryan Holroyd
27 Posted 05/11/2011 at 12:20:05
27 Posted 05/11/2011 at 12:20:05
Fellaini is a better passer, breaks up play better, better in the air, has a better touch.
He's a better player than Rodwell.
He's a better player than Rodwell.
Ciarán McGlone
28 Posted 05/11/2011 at 12:24:02
28 Posted 05/11/2011 at 12:24:02
ryan. That's not what i asked. On what are you basing the opinion that he is our best player by a distance?
Ciarán McGlone
29 Posted 05/11/2011 at 12:43:44
29 Posted 05/11/2011 at 12:43:44
Anyway, time for the match...lets see how the boys do without 'our best player by a distance' today..
Paul Olsen
30 Posted 05/11/2011 at 13:18:27
30 Posted 05/11/2011 at 13:18:27
Not too well it seems McGlone.
Ryan Holroyd
31 Posted 05/11/2011 at 13:30:07
31 Posted 05/11/2011 at 13:30:07
Going great isn't it Ciaran.
Still, I bow to your superior football knowledge.
Still, I bow to your superior football knowledge.
Tom Bowers
32 Posted 05/11/2011 at 13:40:03
32 Posted 05/11/2011 at 13:40:03
We have a lot of underachievers at Goodison some cost big money some didn't. Irrespective of that Moyes keeps picking them match after match and today is no exception. Heitinga in for Distin and already Heitinga is a scorer!!!!!
People like Hibbert and Osman should have been sent packing long ago. They are not Prem.class. Some of the others paly well now and again but nobody with any real consistancy except Baines and Howard. Th esystem Moyes plays doesn't help either. Until Moyes goes you will not see any improvement in this team.
People like Hibbert and Osman should have been sent packing long ago. They are not Prem.class. Some of the others paly well now and again but nobody with any real consistancy except Baines and Howard. Th esystem Moyes plays doesn't help either. Until Moyes goes you will not see any improvement in this team.
Ian Tunstead
33 Posted 05/11/2011 at 17:07:18
33 Posted 05/11/2011 at 17:07:18
Tom i agree Osman and Hibbert are not up to standard but the squad is small enough without giving players away, lets face it no one would pay money for them so how can you use that as a reason to get rid of Moyes? This other manager you want, what could he do with no money to replace the likes of Hibbert and Osman?
Tom Bowers
34 Posted 05/11/2011 at 22:58:26
34 Posted 05/11/2011 at 22:58:26
It's not just a small squad but a mediocre squad. Hard to believe we don't have anyone reserves to replace Hibbert is Moyes fault. We have Coleman who should be put back to right back for a while. If not that, then put Jags there and play Heitinga and Distin in the middle. As far as Osman is concerned Moyes has plenty of options but keeps thinking Osman is playing a blinder each week.
We have had class players on loan including Arteta at first and Howard so why did he not strengthen the squad way back after he let Mikel go along with Pienaar, Yaks and Beckford.
Other teams seem to have gotten some good loan players. Moyes got Straqualursi but doesn't seem to rate him so who was responsible for bringing him in?
Drenthe obviously has talent but has to play with others who are lacking.
Moyes just seems to be dropping more and more clangers with each game.
We have had class players on loan including Arteta at first and Howard so why did he not strengthen the squad way back after he let Mikel go along with Pienaar, Yaks and Beckford.
Other teams seem to have gotten some good loan players. Moyes got Straqualursi but doesn't seem to rate him so who was responsible for bringing him in?
Drenthe obviously has talent but has to play with others who are lacking.
Moyes just seems to be dropping more and more clangers with each game.
Eric Myles
35 Posted 06/11/2011 at 00:56:55
35 Posted 06/11/2011 at 00:56:55
Ciaran, Arteta has not been anywhere near as good for Arsenal as he was for us on his day, he just looks average in an all round good team.
Ryan "good in the air" you're joking aren't you, Koldrup was better, Fellaini can't jump and seldom wins headers.
At least we were much better yesterday without him than we have been previously with him.
Ryan "good in the air" you're joking aren't you, Koldrup was better, Fellaini can't jump and seldom wins headers.
At least we were much better yesterday without him than we have been previously with him.
Ciarán McGlone
36 Posted 06/11/2011 at 02:55:41
36 Posted 06/11/2011 at 02:55:41
Average in a good team? Sounds similar to good in an average team. I know what I've seen. Perhaps you're one of those who thought we were right to sell, and you're simply trying to absolve your bad judgment.
Mick Davies
37 Posted 06/11/2011 at 04:28:35
37 Posted 06/11/2011 at 04:28:35
Pissed myself at the Echo's headline the other day: 'Ossie says Hibbert is the best right back in the Prem'. FFS he isn't even the best RB at Everton! Neville isn't much older than the Huyton Sunday League donkey and he has a football brain, Coleman is untried here but couldn't be any worse.
Jacobsen was light years ahead of Hippo yet wasn't worthy of a place. What hold he has on Moyes I'd love to know. He wouldn't get a game at any other PL club. As for Felli, he has a contract until 2013 so I don't understand all the fuss
Jacobsen was light years ahead of Hippo yet wasn't worthy of a place. What hold he has on Moyes I'd love to know. He wouldn't get a game at any other PL club. As for Felli, he has a contract until 2013 so I don't understand all the fuss
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1 Posted 04/11/2011 at 22:05:53
We've got half decent players at the club being left to rot in the reserves because Moyes is shit scared to drop Osman, Bily, Saha, etc... Fellaini, Rodwell, Baines, Jagz should all go before Moyes ruins the lot of them.
See how shit Arteta became the last two years having to put up with the Gobshite tactics our the manager uses.... He is on fire at Arsenal now.
Moyes out before the squad disappears.