Coleman grabs plaudits in draw with England

Full credit for the way he's grafted to get where he is in life.

Full credit to Moyes and his coaching staff for polishing this rough diamond. I think a couple of years playing out of position in right midfield was crucial to his development.

He may even suit the wingback role in Roberto's 3-4-3 even more.

Well done Seamus!

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How did Coleman Vs Baines go when he came on?

RM played 3 at the back at Wigan because the players available more or less dictated his tactics. I think with a bit of time to get used to it, it would suit us. There wouldn't be so much pressure on Baines and Coleman to get back every time an attack breaks down.

No reason other than I don't want him to.

That's that sorted then

I was going to put that dam! Would not take 8 million though how much have Chelski and the shite paid for there right backs?

I wish everyone expecting Martinez to sign there are 4 Managers in the Hat.

Coleman is fast becoming a clone of Baines which is good thing inheirates a very strong squad.

Even IF Baines/Fella/Jags/Coleman moved I would expected big money for them and with the extra TV monies this season would the New Manager Including Martinez A very nice Kitty also would they have to £8 million left over from the Fer Deal?

Question fror the Martinez Lovers : If he is made Manager and he gets a Kitty of say £25 Million (which is pulsable) would you be happy with him bring the likes of KONE/McCarthy(Top Player But do we need him) Alcarz* or even Ramis for Big Money ?? That is a worry as there are a lot of players out there who much better at the same price.

Just couldn't see him making a defender a couple of years back and thought well, maybe he'll make an ok..ish wide-man.

Hands up, couldn't have been more wrong, he seems to have found the balance between attack and defence (unlike, as Roy Keane pointed out, Johnson).

He has obviously worked his nuts off, listened to and watched the right people and his efforts last season were terrific.

Seems a decent lad too.

As for the England strip, good to see the FA try to end all that WWll stuff and a nice gesture for England to play in the West Germany 1966 kit.

I agree that some players can be "polished" but players like Coleman can't be coached to a huge extent. He's learned his trade on the street, in his hometown estate – and he is what he is, mistakes and all. He creates a lot of trouble going forward, but he WILL cost us the odd goal.

Moyes's problem was his one-on-one psychology,and for me he undermined Seamus's confidence for a while,by complicating it. Different players can need supporting, bollocking, goading, indulging, or yes indeed coaching, but Moyes would often get it wrong.

Seamus oh oh
Seamus oh oh oh oh
He comes from Donegal
And cost us sweet fuck all
Oh Seamus oh oh etc etc

Seamus's understanding with Mirallas is excellent. I read Stones has a similar attitude and Bidewell got forward a lot at Brentford. Long term I think these positions are sorted. With PN gone Coleman has moved to the front selection wise and I think this will give him even more confidence.

Well chuffed for the lad.

He seems to be able to look at raw players who are making loads of mistakes and think..

'He will, 100%, without ANY doubt come good, just you watch, you'll all look foolish".

That is a BIG talent in my book.

Chris Jones All Reason Gone For A {Burton} (964) - Just out of interest, if someone posted 'The History of The Envelope', how long would it take you to turn it into an 'I heart Davey' thread?

(nb: doubt he's reading TW so suggest a letter to Utd telling him 'So long Davey, it was good to have you')

I happen to think that playing Coleman at right wing(or left back for that matter) probably didn't do him a vast amount of good. I also think that had Hibbert stayed fit and with Mirallas in the squad, Coleman would have got about the same playing time as Oviedo this season and would not have got his international call up or any plaudits he richly deserves.

Its not rocket science. You play players out of position from what they've been playing for years and they often don't do so well. They make mistakes, and seem uncertain about what they need to do. Play them where they are naturally used to playing and they will perform much better and get the confidence. If you don't give players any playing time they probably wont improve much at all.

Someone like coleman, being a late developer and being thrust into the EPL probably spent a lot of time wondering if he was good enough. I recall some of Moyes comments about him being quite derogatory and mentioning his £60k transfer fee in relation to some of his performances when he'd not played well. Confidence is even more important to a player like Coleman than anyone whose been brought through an academy of a big club.

Basically Coleman's performance have come on leaps and bounds precisely coinciding with him switching to RB and getting a sustained run in the team. Importantly he seems to have a fantastic attitude and seems to make 100% from the talent that he does have. For me, he'd be one of the first names on our team sheet.

In short, full credit to Moyes for signing him for such a pittance, but I'm not convinced he's been handled as good as he should have been; if anything he's probably been held back a tad.

Its very similar to the Barkley situation for me. A kid with undoubted potential, but the manager did not have the long-term vision to give him the playing time required to develop in a natural role. Hence why we spent a lot of this season and last arguing whether Barkley is good enough or not; the lad just hasn't been given the time and experience to improve.

Regarding your witticism (sic) on my user name, if it's of interest I specify my location [Burton] because there are at least two other people called Chris Jones who post on this site. I'd hate for them to be on the receiving end of a snide comment because they'd been mistaken for little 'ol me.

For the record I made the posting at #946 partly in response to someone using this thread as an opportunity to have a pop at our outgoing manager (e.g. #936). I was rather impressed that Everton supplied a number of players that figured in last night's international fixture. Indeed, I'd have to go back to Kendal Mk1 to remember so many of our players making notable contributions to such a match. Anyway, perhaps now you'll see (probably not), my post was reactive, not proactive as you mistakenly presume. I will, however, grant you that several other posters had praised Moyes, but then perhaps your attention span isn’t sufficient to recall the earlier comments?
So, however, if yourself or one of the admins were to supply me with your contact details, I’d be happy to afford you the opportunity to vet any future posting I was minded to make - so as not to risk offending you when going public with my sincerely held views.

Just out of interest, if someone posted a piece about 'Dale Carnegie', how long would it be before you made a 'contribution' to the discussion that might be held up as a negative exemplar of to support Mr Carnegie's arguments?

Well to satisfy your 'interest', probably about four minutes as I can find plenty of negative things to say about the work of a man who sold millions of books featuring nothing but David Brentisms and two-bob home-spun 'philosophy'

(nb: seriously - if I wanted to read that kind of cobbled together, lazy-of thought nonsense, I'd buy myself a bible)

Going back to the beginning of the season when we had Beckford in the team, I said that Coleman was my first choice for right back. I thought he needed more experience to develop but, although he was making some mistakes in tackling and being caught out of possession, I still preferred him to Hibbert or Neville.

More importantly, I did think he had massive potential and would become a very good right back. Those mistakes sometimes cost us a goal but my argument at the time was that we played so deep, getting everyone behind the ball, that the risk of being caught out of position or being skinned shouldn't necessarily cost us a goal as there was still a human brick wall to get past for the opposition.

I remember other people also being at fault for some of those goals but the blame lay squarely on Coleman's shoulders. With that defensive set-up that Moyes always opts for and the threat of Coleman going forward as a right back, the positives outweighed the negatives in my mind. I still think Moyes got it wrong with him when he left him out of the team after playing well at times as I also think he needed more confidence... but the same applied to Barkley and Duffy.

Seamus's forever going forward,
leaving everyone behind,
he likes to run,
really really run,
and then go and set the goal,
Seamus Seamus Coleman,
He cost bugger all,
Seamus's forever going forward,
leaving everyone behind!!

As my friends have asked my thoughts on Martinez I think his focus on attack minded play may really bring something to a team that has had a defensively minded manager for so long. I genuinely believe our first choice back 5 is as good as any in the league and needs little improvement.

Now if Roberto can just help Jelly find his scoring boots everything will be gravy!

This makes my point totally relevant (about the type of player he is),and your question mark misplaced! Granted, it might have been an Avenue, Place or Grove, rather than a Street, but I'm sure everyone else got the point.

Rooney = Street; Rodwell = Academy... There is a difference, Brent, although it's not a hard and fast rule. Perhaps you don't understand.

When will Roy Hodgson utilise Baines in the proper way? Apart from the odd long ball no-one inter-passes with him in the manner of Pienaar and Fellaini. It's always the same when he plays for England and the blame can only lie with the coach who will have watched Everton many times. Thank God he isn't being interviewed by BK.

The key is clearly can we get another top 3-4 players if Fellaini and Heitinga go. And can Jelavic recapture his form.

Okay here goes:-

New keeper
Coleman
Baines
Jags
Lescott type

Box to box type
Gibson
Another mobile midfielder

Mcmanaman type
Lukaku type
Mirallas