Moyes is hot favourite for United job

I don't think he'd be picked, but this is not the discussion. How do you think he'd fare?

It is certainly a position that would be daunting, you're never going match Alex Ferguson no matter who you are. But would it be a disaster? Or would he do a good job?

Win the League? Finish 2nd, 4th, 7th? What do you think?

Personally, he'd keep United in the top 3, but Ferguson has an ability to win the League with not the best team in the League. But I don't think he'd get the sack after 6 months, for sure.

I'm not sure there's any way of knowing until he got into a job like that but it would be interesting to see how he dealt with the bigger talents and bigger egos.

To be honest, I can't see him being appointed straight to the top job at United. As I tweeted earlier, if Moyes wants the Old Trafford gig badly enough, I could see him being pragmatic and patient enough to spend a season or two working under Ferguson.

It would be better than a hiatus from the game and it would make his eventual appointment as SAF's successor a lot more palatable to United fans and shareholders.

Personally, I'm going to watch the furore with amusement but I don't think Moyes will end up at United in any capacity, at least not yet.

I'm also not sure about the Ferguson rumours...but if he goes this season, I can see Moyes possibility taking over. He may not be proven at the top level, but within a world footballing context (if not an English) such changes are not unfamiliar. Although, the odds on Moyes seem reactionary...I'd put him among the favorites to replace Ferguson, but I'd make Klopp the favourite.

The article also suggests that Moyes's only role at Man Utd might be back room, whatever that means.

Could it be that Moyes has been aware of what will unfold at United, and hence his refusal to sign?

(Just an idea for the panel rather than speculation.)

The one thing that we don not know about David Moyes is whether given a substantial transfer kitty could he spend it wisely and if he did make mistakes in that area would that make him even more cautious and end up missing out on players. At the top end of the league you have to be brave and back your own judgement and you have to act quick, there is no room for dithering and the fans of all those clubs will not be as supportive of him or as forgiving as most Blues have been during his time at Goodison.

Wherever he ends up after Everton assuming that it is a top-end club he will face a different set of challenges than he has been used to at Goodison only time will tell if he proves himself good enough.

I've said before that I don't see Moyes leaving Everton, but if he did, I'd put a lazy tenner on him taking Ossie wherever with him.

After 11 years of Moyes, I think we know know him pretty well. I can't see why a few more resources would suddenly shift his whole mentality on the game. He would just be able to afford better players to fulfill the roles in the system he currently employs at Everton.

Moyes would still bring all 11 men back for corners. He would still get his tactics horribly wrong in big games. He would still set his team up not to lose rather than to win. He would still have a small squad because he finds this easier to manage. He would never play on the break. He would still play laboured tippy tappy slow possession football and never counter attack. He would still face the odd humiliating defeat to lower league sides in the cups. I suppose the one thing is, Man U would at least win all their games against Man City.

We have accepted Moyes because of where we were when he took over. Had Moyes succeeded Kendal in the 80s, he wouldn't have lasted a season. The spoilt brats who fill up Old Trafford will not tolerate Moyes' brand of zombie football.

I would ask though whether he can handle the bigger personalities and troubles that often come with the £20 million+ pricetags. Drenthe and Van Der Meyde are two players that spring to mind – would Ferguson have handled them any better I wonder? Are there more of that kind of player at the very top of european teams?

There's also a lot of winners in the Man Utd team, players who have more trophy experience than Moyes does. How would they react to that? To be honest, if they got near to a final they'd probably win a trophy in his first season anyway – those players are so used to the big matches, they'd continue in their old ways.

So I think short term, man utd would carry on as is for the first couple of seasons – top 3, and cup wins. I'm not sure they would fair better 3 seasons down the line though after a few transfers and improvements from other teams, and as the team became more the new managers – it's just an unknown. But if Moyes does go, I would wish him success.

To me a move to utd will show whether the problem here was Moyes or money. Unfortunately, if it turns out to be money, we will have lost Moyes to find out

I don't think he would play the same way. With all his players fit and in form we saw the attacking football at the beginning of the season. Instead of Jelavic and Fellaini flapping aorund in there though he's have Van Persie slotting in the highgest number of chances created in Europe. What's more its more likely they'd be able to keep up this style of play for longer because of the depth of their squad. When Gibson and Mirallas went off injured that was the end of that in terms of the super free flowing football for a while. Also there's been plenty of times Man U have played just as bad as we have this season but where as we'd get a dour draw they have the quality to get a wonder goal, or the reputation to get a dodgy pen, or De Gea pulls of a save Howard could only dream of. Quality tells and if he has the home record he currently has at Everton then god knows what he'd do at Old Trafford. Anyone seriously fancy our new manager going there and taking the points with Moyes in charge? We'll be sent packing like the majority of teams who come to Goodison are.

Sounds ........what's the word?

Definitely cannot see Moyes going anywhere as a no.2, that would undermine him from the start - he's a bit old to be an apprentice!

I would be amazed if they went for Moyes to be honest, the most successful club in England hiring a manager without a trophy to his name.

Whoever takes the Man U job has his work cut out, if Mourinho goes back to Chelsea, Arsenal - oh just been confirmed on Sky.......

We are stifled by our finances so a new manager might not fare better but probably wouldn't fare worse. I'm more excited by the prospect of Moyes turning Man U into a mediocre team that never wins anything. Good luck to him.

With Moyes, then I still see Felli going, but funds available for a CB, CM, and CF. And all in capable hands. Without Moyes, we're screwed.

Surely it speaks volumes that he's widely-touted to replace the best manager in English footballing history?

A horrible, horrible man - whose success has been built on cheating, co-operating officials and a fawning media. His knighthood is one of this country's biggest embarrassments.

History will lie about his contribution.

Hopefully this is all sorted before the weekend and we can go about getting the next man in, someone who loves the beautiful game, is tactically sound, can get a team to play as a team and......... Entertain us!!!!!

Looks like we will soon find out just how good Moyes is with a lot of money and a lot of great players that has been handed to him on a plate, he doesn't need to even build anything, just keep it going. Very interesting times, now, who shall we get in????

Everybody about from a sour minority of EFC supporters seem to rate Moyes very highly. you know the same guys who consider him a failure for not bringing a Champions League title to our financially defunct club. Oh, yes, forgot, money doesn't matter.

I wonder if those guys think there is anything in it that he is so highly rated by everybody else out there? Then again, what would a light weight like alex Ferguson know about rating football manager. Surly not as much as Ross or Barry.

I hope we keep him. He is a fucking top class manager.

apart from that, the special one moves to OT, Chelsea come in for Moyes? As it is reported, they are running out of managers to approach.

Option 3 is that Moyes stays and we carry on as normal, hopefully with cash to spend. It would be a shame to lose Moyes and not get compensation for him though.

Also, SAL is stepping upstairs at Director level and I'm willing to bet it would be difficult for the likes of Mourinho to do that job with his shadow still in play. For a Moyes type however, the opportunity would be too hard to resist.

We must now hope that Chairman Bill has the wisdom/luck to appoint the right successor.

http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1438897/sir-alex-ferguson-retires-man-united-boss?cc=3436

Now lets see who gets the job.

If Moyes does go, we'll see over the next few years just how good he is and could have been with unimaginable resources at his disposal and a title winning team. TBH, I don't care, I'm more interested with who we get in next and hopefully Evertonians giving him at least a couple of years to see what he can do.

COYB

Man Utd have been a cheating, arrogant and ugly club under his stewardship. I believe in grace - but not indiscriminately.

I suspect almost everyone on here will disagree with me, but that's OK.

History will remember this terrible man's achievements falsely.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/may/08/alex-ferguson-retires-manchester-united

FFS!!

It looks a good bet to plump for the special one or Moyes. Carlos Queiroz could also be long shot.

It's absolutely lost on the MOB that Moyes is being spoken of in the same breath as Mouriniho, Hiddink, Klopp et al. It seems that for some, familiarity doesn't just breed contempt it also breeds stupidity.

Either that or its Ron Atkinson.

I really hope we can all get behind the next man and give him time, at least a couple of years.

As an aside, I think this story (Ferguson retiring) deserves it's own slot on TW or is it just negative non-Everton news (i.e. Suarez) that gets the headlines?

If he has said 'no' then I would suspect Moyes would be their choice. Still only tme will tell.

It's a shame Gary Speed is no longer with us, I would have loved him to be our next manager, if Moyes goes.

For me Slaven Bilic, Philippe Montanier (Real Sociedad) would be good choices. Not too sure were they are up to though with there contracts. Bilic is probably earning loads at Lokomotiv.

Then Martinez, although I watched them a few times this season and was not impressed. My neighbour has a season ticket (although he is a Koppite) and goes there. HEW says they are ok but no great shakes. He puts Martinez insistence on not adapting the way his team plays down to naivety or arrogance. Said they really get caught out at times.

I've not been David Moyes's biggest fan over the past few seasons, and after last years Anfield Derby I would have sacked him on the spot, if I'd had my way. However if he goes to OT then I think he will do a decent job, his biggest problem will be the amount of time he gets to achieve success. With Jose coming back there will be three genuine contenders for next years title, United, City and Chelski. Moyes will get two years tops to win the title whereas at Everton he can have a job for at least the next five

If Moyes goes who do we get. Right now I would go for in order

Michael Laudrup, Stylish, Great player, teams play good football
Gus Poyet, as above
Malky Mackay, Big fucker takes no shit
Martinez, Good football, however after last night I think his stock dropped about 40%, what a shambles

Alternatives

Bruce, Benitez, O'Neil, Lambert, Stuart McCall.

I think we could attract at least one of these to a our club, we'll just have to wait and see. the next few weeks should be very interesting.

Some genius might come in and get us 2 extra places up the league next season (although when we lose a CL place we're fucked anyway), but we have a good manager at the moment and, if does go up the east lancs, then it will be a sad day for the club.

Moyes goes to Man Utd and they never win anything again...

Everton get Jose.

Whoever takes over at Man Utd, I think they will struggle to replicate SAF's success. That very long cycle is at an end. I can see them falling out of the top four in the short term as they adjust to the new manager. Chelsea's situation is uncertain and Arsenal haven't won anything for years. Maybe a good time for us to move on up?

Both Moyes and Mourinho desperately want the Old Trafford job, but I've no idea who they'll choose. If it's the former, Phil Neville is a shoe in for Asst Manager.

Agree with Shane @ 269. This needs to be one of the main news items, given the Moyes connection to the vacancy. MK/LL - any chance of making it more visible?

If we get Martinez in then Rodgers is just going to consider himself top dog in merseyside again and most premier league managers would consider themselves better than him and would have vast experience of beating him. His name does not particularly inspire fear or respect even if he is a good manager.

How good would it be to get one these top European managers who fancied a crack at a good premier league club that other teams were actually jealous of. That our players were absolutely wowed by and no idea what the words 'inferiority complex' and 'Anfield' were doing together in the same sentence. Someone that Rodgers and co. would consider themsleves inferior to and that would cause the media to finally shake off the 'plucky underdogs' tag. Someone who'd finally stick it to the kopites home and away and win the propaganda war afterwards.

Please no old school ex Man U player who's been around the houses of rubbish clubs, please no trendy Rodgers-esque coach with a project who'll bring all his own players, please no dinosaur from Scotland who has managed either the naitonal side or Celtic or Rangers. I think its time for Everton's first foreign boss but I cannot think of a suitable candidate plying his trade in the British divisions at the moment.

That's why I am thinking Mourinho would be the preferred choice.

Even as he's accelerating out of FF without a backward glance some will still still be saying "reckon he's holding out for more transfer funds".

Absolute joke this season's contract saga, turned some people over good and proper with his lies.

Some banana was trying to tell me off for suggesting he was looking after number one ... none so blind as those who will not see.

Martinez would be a disaster. Like Moyes, he isn't a winner - and unlike Moyes, he isn't a tight manager who can hold a club together. I wish people would stop mentioning/championing him. It might happen!

If Man U wish to not make waves and look to install another long term incumbent then I think they could do alot worse than Moyes.

This all feels like its going to happen. The MOB is going to gets its wish, though if Moyes does go to Man U a fair few of them will have been proved wrong.

HE'S GONE!!!!

I was talking to a Man Utd supporter a few weeks ago and he was saying that SAF was forgetting names during press conferences.

Noises coming from OT suggest that they want the next manager to bring stability and they don't want a 'hired gun'. It's got Moyes' name written all over it so far.

Now we, in all likelyhood, will get one of the many managers which don't overachieve. I've no idea who...Martinez doesnt understand defensive tactics... Laudrup I like... but we will see.

when Moyes went to Germany to take in a game was he scouting a replacement?

"Jenny luv, get me someone on the phone"

"Who Bill"

"I don't know luv, it's all gone tits up this end, where's Greenie's number FFS!"

"Calm down Bill, you'll give yourself a connery!"

"Make sure them Blue Union Fuckers don't get hold of this, tell David to push his car out of Finch Farm.... luv, luv, where are you?" Door slams.

"Tony Hibbert is one of the best players in the Premier League. One of the best players."

No chance. Won the CL with Houllier's team and proceeded to finish outside the top 4 twice with Liverpool which they still suffer the repercussions today. May well do so again with Chelsea.

No one in the top 4 has that record. God bless him.

Much as I have serious reservations about the Ginger Whinger, I think it's in our best interests, for now, that he stay. I can see him becoming Ferguson's lap-dog (he already is!), but would the plc (or common-sense) element of MU's Board want a man who has NEVER won ANYTHING?

Benitez was criticised for making obvious substitutions at the RS: FACT.

He slagged us off: FACT.

He is unpopular already with us: FACT.

He's got no class: FACT.

He's a clint: FACT.

There's a typo in there somewhere.

Fortunately the final two seasons later exorcised that ghost.

if we go domestic then Laudrup would be great but possibly a long shot, Lambert would be brave but interesting, Steve Clarke would be a good like-for-like and Martinez would probably be better than the Hughes/Warnock/O'neill also ran list.

As for Benitez, apart from it the fact it would make many reds contemplate suicide, he is a whopper who I wouldn't see anywhere near here. He is a deluded red, nothing more.

I think you have a point. If Moyes is off to Utd then it would have been sorted out ages a go and I can see BK asking him who would be a good replacement.

Lets not forget the comments made by Jose after the CL tie that knocked Utd out. He was very deferential. Does that mean something? What should I have for lunch?

I just really really hope Bill makes the right decision. Or we are fucked. In all likelyhood, Fellaini will go (at least) and we will get 25mil (ish) to spend (I reckon Bill will give us most/all of it). We really need the right manager to spend it.

Shit, we're screwed...

As such I would be very disappointed for him to go back on his word before the Chelsea game.

It does appear, though I'll reserve judgement `til all the issues are resolved, that he's been wiggling his arse at potential suitors

If Moyes does go, though, the substantial umbrella of protection he's provided for Kenwright all these years will be removed, exposing the tosser to the elements, good style

Can't happen - surely?

Meh, type appointment ; Martinez, Poyet, Coleman, Bilic.

Yes Please : Soskjaer, Blanc, Laudrup, Di Matteo, Pelligrini, Low, Klinsmann, Zola.

Please note, there are other managers available.

I wouldn't worry to much after all you were pretty sure no big club would come in for Moyes, so it's not going to happen right?

I see where you're going with that one. You don't like British managers but your very keen on foreign ones.

Oh, and the title of this thread is wrong. It's the Sunday after next, not this Sunday!

I was just checking on the odds last Summer and he was 4/9 favourite to take over at Spurs. AVB wasn't even being mentioned!

I guess the answer is... who the fuck knows (yet)?!

Joseph, that's a charming idea. It's like saying we will win the Premiership on Saturday. It could mean one Saturday in 2033! Talk about tantalising!

Sorry, it doesn't make any sense to me that the announcement of a new Man Utd manager will happen before the end of the season. No sense at all. It will detract attention from SAF in his final days, plus it will destabilise whatever club the new manager comes from. Although, admittedly, there is the stock exchange issue...

Frank Rijkaard for me but he'd want some spending funds so that's out then.

And to think many are asking for Martinez, the guy who bottled it last night and has effectively sent his club DOWN!! Or Pardew, whos club sits 3 points above Wigan. Poyet has won what exactly? I don't see what any of these have done in the league, to suggest they will be able to finish above those clubs above us now.

I think Moyes is suited to United. Ferguson is not renowned for flamboyant, attacking style. His teams are very well organised, and he often prefers hard workers to flair (Wellbeck, Kagawa, Carrick, Cleverley). Moyes definitely fits the profile in terms of integrity also. He is also the only manager behind Ferguson according to his peers (LMA wins). The most concerning thing for me, is how Moyes odds were slashed 2 days BEFORE Fergies announcement today. So somebody somewhere has decided to bet big on this before the announcement was made. The Everton job is more difficult than most, in that not only are you responsible for ensuring the team wins, you are also responsible for making sure the club survives financially by making shrewd buys, effectively having to create your own transfer kitty year on year. I don't see any young up and coming manager wanting to take on that challenge, as failure to at least emulate Moyes would be disastrous for their career. I think we will end up with one of these 'journeymen' type managers like O' Neil, Hughes, Hodgson, Pardew who never get to the top, so have nothing to lose. And this is the main reason I want Moyes to stay!! Because it can be a lot fucking worse....

Come on, Bill, you keep saying you love this club. Who is our new manager? Surely you knew this day was coming?!?!

As ever, you leave us to speculate. Is it because you are clueless as to who? Or did you think DM would never leave you in the lurch? Or do simply have no dignity or respect for the supporters of our great club?

If what I have been told is to be correct then this is even by your standards an all new low. The fact that you would let your club be part of a media circus and let our manager leave us all dangling is a disgrace.

Stay Davie!

I had a look at a Man Utd fan site earlier, to see what they were saying. Here's one comment: "His [Moyers'] team's style also presents a problem. Everton play some of the dullest long-ball 4-5-1 football in the Premiership. It works but it ain't pretty to look at, something that isn't acceptable to the vast majority of United fans". http://www.redcafe.net/f6/Moyes-succeed-ferguson-anyone-74640/

It's not acceptable to a fair few Everton fans either!

They can't leave it too long, they are listed on the New York Stock Exchange, and the share price could be adversely affected by any uncertainty surrounding the club.

There will be a queue of young upcoming managers who would walk over broken glass to get the Everton job

"Ferguson is not reknowned for a flamboyant attacking style" made me laugh though so thanks for that

And what's Solskjaer done that Christian Gross hadn't... its not the club for a novice to join. Needs to be a name.

Right now we're one of seven clubs guaranteed not to be relegated where as I wouldn't bet the house on any one of the bottom 13 staying up. I don't want to be in that mix and the shiny attraction of former big name players isn't the way to go.

"So somebody somewhere has decided to bet big on this before the announcement was made"

You don't think...? nah...surely not

The Sky news thing about 48 hours is a rumour. It might not be true.

Maybe some people are just showing him the same amount of respect that he showed us at Anfield last year. Utd not playing an attacking style is a classic.

It will be very interesting to see how it all pans out. If DM goes to OT, it will take two or three years before we will know how good a manager he really is when he has money at his disposal. It will also take that amount of time before we can judge a new Everton manager (a) on his own merits and (b) compared to Moyes.

Well, Moyes doesn't have much in terms of European experience does he ?

Have a look back to how people felt after that game and you will see the vast majority of Evertonians don't view that game as 3 points.

I personally feel that he will struggle at united for the simple reason that he can't manage a squad and that will be his biggest challenge over there. Only time will tell. I for one wish the man every success if he moves on and thank him for his service to Everton.

Not buying yourself some time just in case are you?

I am sure many people (myself included) were fucking upset after that match. But a single game does not define a career of someone in charge of 500+. As I said, many people (I wont use majority) are able to step back and recognise things on a wider scale, however many people are not.

But if a new manager comes to Goodison and does better than Moyes then some of us will feel vindicated in our criticisms. However, in the last analysis, that doesn't really matter. I think all of us (or do I mean 99.9%?) want what's best for the club, no matter what. It may well be the only area of my life where I am sometimes glad to be wrong! If Naismith scores a hat trick away at Chelsea, my joy will be unconfined, despite it disproving my deeply-held conviction that he is a [insert foul language here].

Beats me how anybody can come out and sound so cock sure. Possibly explains how they seem so cock sure about everything else.

The difference with your credit card bill though, is that you are allowed to notice those mysterious items, but the true cost of highlighting those items might be more than the value of the item itself!

(From the world-renowned, footballing brain of Tim Jones..)

Your right, i've always said that the job Moyes has done is over all very good but there are certain things that some people will find unforgivable regardless of the good work someone has done upto that point. Sacrificing a Derby was what did it for me. It changed my opinion from being bored of Moyes and his tedious brand of football to never wanting him in charge of my football club again.

If Olle comes aboard we'd be going back among the pack before we go forward. Risky business this appointment lark, fortunately Bill's running the ship... ehem.

Wrong, we qualified by finishing 5th in the league. If we hadn't we would have qualified by being FA Cup runners up.

If he goes, he goes with my thanks and admiration. Hes done well for us at a time when we're so far behind teams (in terms of purchasing power/chances to succeed) who not long ago were our peers.

And...Didn't we win at City? a top four side? and Spurs? we can't choose and pick teams for the sake of tactics.

And the top seven table this season, as posted a few days ago on this forum -

Man Utd 12 6 2 4 20
Chelsea 10 5 3 2 18
Man City 12 4 5 3 17
Everton 11 3 6 2 15
Spurs 11 3 2 6 11
Arsenal 12 2 5 5 11
Liverpool 12 1 7 4 9

We will be the fourth best (At least) out of the top seven this season, despite having far cheaper squad, in terms of money spent and wages, and far smaller squads, than those above us. Moyes can beat the top teams... and which manager of an established team has improved a club on so little? Answers on a postcard.

Moyes will win things when he has players use to playing at another level. There is a reason why our current players are playing for us...a few could go higher, but in general they are restricted by either talent, or that extra winning mentality required for the top.

Could it be he had already been given the Man U job, and he has taken his eye off the ball?

Pal of mine ( big gambler) just rang and told me to have a few quid on Giggs, can't see that one happening.

Having said that, it would be funny if Man Utd dropped out of the top four to be replaced by... us! That would be very, very funny indeed.

To be fair, the thread and post you qoute from was from 2005! In that same thread, Martin O'Neill and Carlos Quirez are named as the other top candidates so it's fair to say things have changed quite a bit since then. Everton's style of play for example. Second half of last season, first half of this season, we played some fantastic stuff that was as far removed from 'long ball' as Rolf Harris' fucking 'Jake the Peg (with his extra leg)' is from being a perfectly innocent, non-pervy connotation carrying, cheery, cheeky bearded chappies, children's shitty singalong.

On the other hand, the following comment from the same thread is still as relevant a it ever was: "Let's get Moyes to manage us, he has won nothing, has no Champions League experience, plays one target man upfront, he sounds like the ideal man to replace Fergie."

There is a good chance Moyes will go. Klopp is still in the running. Mourinho looks set for Chelski...but there is no way, in a million years, that a clandestine deal has been sorted for Baines with 2 weeks of this league left.

The whole football world seems to believe Everton punch above their weight under Moyes, hence the recognition by his peers via the LMA awards. In terms of attacking football I am CERTAIN there are better managers than Moyes, likewise someone else will probably win at the Sky 4. But, our survival (and I will use that word) has not been based solely on what happens on the pitch. Moyes has basically funded his own squad by being a master in transfer market. Poyet has been hailed for bringing in 'big name' signings at Brighton. He has broke the transfer record twice, which has no doubt helped his cause. He won't have that at Everton, thats for sure. So it cannot be said he turned Brighton round by management skill alone, he had the finances to do so. So do we 'gamble' as we did with Moyes and bring in a young up and coming manager? Or go with a stable manager who has seen and done it before? Its really a tough decision.

They seem pretty certain.

There's probably still a bit of truth in the idea that their fans (in 2013!) think of us as a dull workmanlike side - it's not an uncommon perception, is it? Nevertheless, I retract my original comment, which was incorrect.

Isn't that because training is over?

Still uncomfortable about a Utd manager being in charge of our last two games

"David Moyes is made from the same cloth as Sir Alex and he's the kind of guy you look at and you think 'stability'."

"What we're looking for isn't someone who can come in for ten months or three years. We're looking for someone who can stay and produce the same kind of stability as Sir Alex Ferguson has done.

"David Moyes has been more than a decade at Everton on limited funds and he's been doing a fantastic job. He's Scottish, he's made from the same cloth as Sir Alex and he's the kind of guy you look at and you think 'stability'. Beyond anything else that's the most important thing for Manchester United.

I think Ratters's comment about Moyes is 100% correct.

I'm personally sad to see Moyes go as I would have liked to see what he could have done had the financial straight jacket been removed for just a couple of years, but Hey Ho.

It will be interesting to see how quickly our Board move for a replacement, although Moyes had not signed a new deal and was about to be out of contract I wouldn't mind betting that they haven't lined up possible serious successors.

Personally I wouldn't want any of Martinez, Lennon, Hughes or O'Neill. I would be happy to give either Lambert or Laudrup a shot though.

I'd also not want Moyes hanging around, if he's moving on then he moves on, immediately, that's life, thanks David but on you go, no waiting until the end of season etc.

A new manager needed, a forced EGM, it's going to be an interesting summer!!

So Bill, your move, What Next?

What a circus

So 6 weeks at £75000, beggars can be choosers (all tongue in cheek by the way)

If he does go, I can't say I'll miss his negativity, lack of trophies, big game bottling. But in his time he has made a positive impact and many fans will miss him.

Come on, Kenwright: do something good for the club for once and find a manager that can take us to the next level.

Well they certainly have the scoops!

I think the key words are 'may' and 'expect' - which gives us 'Moyes might go...or he might stay'.

Sensational!

No sour grapes here. Wish him well just not against us.

When and how?

You seem very sure of this effect yet we don't know what's going on.

But seriously, if DM gets the OT job then it will be a case of us having a caretaker manager. I'm afraid Alan Stubbs is probably next in line. God forbid that Steve Round will assume the mantle! Then again, and I don't know if I might have already mentioned this, there's always Joe Royle!

Moyes would have been tipped the wink by Ferguson and has just strung poor Bill along.

I also don't seemwhy Everton fans should have a problem with Moyes leaving, if this all transpires. His contract ends in a couple of months...there are two, relatively meaningless games left. We need to make sure we beat West Ham, that's all, and confirm the extra £800,000 for securing sixth. I expect he would have signed a contract in January if we had backed him financially. But objectively, with our stadium, finances and useless board, Moyes should leave for a chance with a top four club, and he has no contract with Everton beyond July.

Why not wait to the end of the season, and have a seamless transition with Moyes holding up the scarf?

Are Man U trying to hijack the Mourinho to Chelsea Deal?

Problem!?

I just did my first cartwheel since 1971 on the strength of the rumour.

(broken furniture all over the show and I can't move my neck to the left, but the adrenalin is keeping the pain at bay)

And with respect to an imminent announcement..I guess that is necessitated by United's stock exchange presence.

Just another day in the media mad, drama queen world of 21st century football

Mmmm..... not sure Moyes will be lauded around the Goodison pitch on Sunday also. The fans aren't stupid, we know this deal will have been sealed months ago, so all the talk of let's see how we do was bollocks.

Eugene Ruane #534, Davie Turner (520) - where do SSN say Everton expect Moyes to be Everton manager next season? I can't find that quote.

Not doubting you though, just asking.

'With Alex Ferguson announcing he will retire at the end of the season, Toffees boss Moyes is rumoured to be in pole position to succeed his fellow Scot.
But Paul Tyrell, the Merseyside club’s director of communications, said: “There has been no approach by Manchester United to Everton regarding manager David Moyes.
“The relationship is such between both clubs that any contact would be made officially through the club.
"David is still under contract at Everton and so any approach would be official.” '

The plot thickens.

Better source than talksport I would assume.

Good luck to them, he's been an incredible manager and none of us can deny that, or indeed deny their supporters the send-off.

This way, we (like it or not) get the same thing with DM before his last home game at the weekend. There's nothing strange about the timing at all - it makes perfect sense.

Good luck to David Moyes as well - who in their right mind would turn down the job in order to carry on struggling at Everton? Exactly, nobody.

I for one wish him the very best of luck, and look forward to our new appointment.

Rafa Benitez anyone?!

Malky Mackay? I have heard whispers....and it makes me shudder.

Seriously, I can't bare to watch. If Moyes goes, we'll have a summer of Bill trying to find a manager who will disappoint us all and come August we will be sitting ducks.

Is there some proof of this?

Indeed mate if Moyes does go the ITK and conspiracy theories will be springing up everywhere.

It looks a bit similar to the England frenzy last year every man and his dog had Redknapp who was odds on and practically confirmed by the red tops but Hodgson was the No1 target.

It was quotes on air, the Talksport one was from Stan Collymore and was read on air and the SSN one was said by the bloke they have loitering outside Finch Farm.

To be fair though, both stations are trying to drag this bit of news out all day, SSN is on in another room but everytime I drop in it about Ferguson, have they reported any other story all day??

Very smart by SAF - he can't win the champions league anymore so he picks up his last trophy and leaves on top!!!

Moyes is a lock (although personally I'd go for Klopp)

He'll be at Man U for the next 20 years if he can transform into a winner (highly unlikely) but the thought is correct.

I'm happy for the guy but happier for us. It's time this board be exposed and this is the first step!

People who shout the loudest normally say nothing at all, another poster to file under the "skip to next post" label.

"Ferguson's teams are not renowned for attacking and flair"....... What incredile insight from a fellow mammal who has opposable thumbs.

Er, at least I THINK that's their reasoning...

Apart from Jurgen Klopp, I personally don't see anyone even close to being right for the job. Mourinho is a massive no-no for Utd.

I hope Moyes does well at United, I really do, but his tenure has run his course and we should be grateful that we can embark on a new era at the right time for everyone.

Moyes will no doubt try and take Baines with him, but he has too much respect for his previous employers to short-change us, so we will get our £20m. We should also get £30m for Fellaini, who will no doubt be on his way too. If the new TV money can go a long way to keeping the debtors happy, I see no reason why the club can't guarantee the new man £35-40m to put back into a re-build. Suddenly we are an attractive opportunity for a promising young manager.

Bilic or Martinez for me, but there is also Di Matteo currently available and Solskjaer looks impressive. We also have 3 or 4 within the club who could step up in a few years - the likes of Stubbs, Weir, Ferguson or Neville.

It is a good time to be looking for the type of manager we are looking for.

I heard Mourinho's moob job counted against him. Or it could have been his cellulite. It is quite unsightly, to be fair.

But they couldn't find anyone........so they accepted that he was Scottish and might get better......

Good Luck Moyes

Has anyone, while watching him interviewed before recent United games, thought all/any of the following?

a) 'His kipper is REALLY fucking red'

b) 'He's slurring'

c) 'He's bladdered'

d) 'He's looking very Clough-like'

Don't mean to impugn the man but I've thought all four a few times this season.

Hmm..you'd like to think so (or would we all?) but...wasn't HK the only manager to ever voluntarily leave Everton?**

We can be a funny crowd, as you know, and none of us have ever experienced a managerial "send-off"

Still all conjecture, of course

** any historians know different?

I bet Pep Guardiola kicked his cat across the room this morning!

Does that mean it's not a rumour?

So, Howard Kendall resigned (third spell was by mutual consent,) Catterick wasn't sacked and before that you have to go back to 1956 and Cliff Britton.

And, according to NSNO it is alleged to have been reported from an unconfirmed and not 100% previously reliable source that Mr Moyes has "accepted" the role of manager at Man Utd

What a day for getting no work done!

Well, DM, if you want Heitinga, Bill, Pip, Osman, Jelavic, Naismith to all go with you, fine by us.

Maybe Nais might be a suitable replacement for Wayne Rooney...

Didn't hear it was, unless anyone knows different. But I doubt if it's Moyes it would be announced until after Chelsea.

I can't see Moyes lasting two seasons at Man Utd. At least we will have a chance to win at OT now. Man Utd fans who have gorged on success and free-flowing football for half a century won't stand for the shit we have had to endure for 11 years.

I think it's hilarious to be honest. Lump on Chelsea or Man City for the League title next season as it's a nap Man Utd won't win it for a while if this story is true.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2321170/Alex-Ferguson-retires-David-Moyes-replace-Manchester-United-directors-reject-Jose-Mourinho.html

I myself would still be surprised if he got this job solely on the basis of his lack of big Euro nights. But it makes sense also: Fergie has thought for a while now that he will hang up his boots at the end of the season, natters with his mate Moyes about it, sounds him out, puts in a word for him (I'm assuming he will have a fair amount of input into who his successor will be), gaffer's contract winding down, not saying anything as he knows what's coming his way in May. That seems a plausible scenario to me at any rate.

Perhaps at the end of the day it's the distance between us and Man-U in all respects of the game on and off the pitch (it's night and day) that makes me wonder whether our gaffer will be offered this chance. So, perhaps I'm forgetting how very highly respected he is in the game and that for many outside our club this seems a good move by Man-U.

IF he toddles off down the East Lancs, what a summer it will be in L4! I could plausibly see us lurching from one day to the next: Kenwright spouting gibberish, a few players leaving (Baines and Fellaini to Man-U for two - Jags?), the footie chattering classes talking about crisis at The Old Lady.

Good news: perhaps Roundy will go with him and perhaps Phil Neville will find himself on the Man-U coaching staff.

I'm with Doddy on this one, my biggest fear is the decision being in the hands of gobshite Kenwright and his crew of cash licking cronies who have done virtually nothing to help Moyes except to let him go. OMG I shudder at the prospect of them in a huddle going down their dream hit-list. Someone younger than Moyes with a reputation for flair please.

Funny old world, perhaps both sets of fans will be unhappy this summer and maybe, just maybe, we might actually get a gaffer who will breathe new life into EFC, and end up feeling a little happier than Sui - Utd till I die - Xong in Thailand, China, Korea etc.

The Telegraph are reporting that DM will be announced as manager before Sunday's match with Swansea.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10044158/David-Moyes-will-replace-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-as-Manchester-United-manager.html

Your post at #561 made me laugh as you often do but I think I'll hold back on the cart wheels until it's official... but like you, the adrenalin — the bloody adrenalin!!!

A massive moment for Everton Football Club.

Laudrup, Poyet, Martinez... please. A progressive and aggressive manager please God.

If we go for a Hughes or O'Neill type I'll be so disappointed it will simply be beyond explanation.

Fella is good as gone anyway. If Moyes goes to Man U Baines is the real loss as I believe he will defo follow

Even though its obviously utter guess work and bollocks I do like their Pereira shout:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2320960/Everton-line-Porto-boss-Vitor-Pereira-contender-replace-David-Moyes.html

Kidding myself though, I full expect a disheartening anti climax when we appoint someone like Dean Saunders or Steve Bruce!

I hope Moyes goes for him and for us. Whoever goes there will have a Hell of a job to win over the fans, but if there's one man who could steadfastly see that through, it's Moyes.

It would be a terrible move for most managers.

ps...betcha Rooney does one before the start of the season as well if Moyes gets the job !!

It's very exciting if it is... The who will come debate will be crazy... I'm saying it: Steve Mclaren. Very successful at Twente. Otherwise why can't we get Klopp!

As for us I think he had come to a crossroads at Everton. I don't think it will be but it could be for the best for Everton. The Premiership is so precarious that mostly what I feel is fear. Moysey is/was our 'safe pair of hands' we don't have the resources to afford many or any mistakes.

I wish him well, he gave us his everything and you cant ask for more than that.

DAVY PLEASE STAY...........DONT GO AWAYT.

A young, forward-thinking,progressive, attack-minded manager who has loads of experience from playing at the HIGHEST level to draw on...a manager who's team plays entertaining, PASSING football....

Michael Laudrup....a manager who won't shit himself every time he goes to Anfield, Old Trafford, Emirates and Stamford Bridge...I do believe that he has won at three of these places THIS SEASON alone !!

Michael Laudrup...a manager who is used to working with a limited buget and has actually WON a trophy ...unlike our present incumbant !!

Moyes has done a very decent job of taking us from where we were to where we are....BUT we will NEVER win a trophy whilst he's in charge...his style of play just won't allow it....time for a change and I believe that Laudrup just might be the man...

Like it or not Man Utd demand trophies won with style
Moyes has not done either with Everton
The only difference will obviously be the massive finances at Utd
Can he handle it
Time will tell
Huge gamble

If its McClaren I won't even bother to fucking watch.

TY Ross. Just cheered me up immensely

‘Dave I love you so
I want you to know
that I'm going to miss your love
the minute you walk out that door

so please don't go
don't go, don't go away
please don't go
don't go, I'm begging you to stay

If you live, at least in my life time
I had one dream come true
I was blessed to be loved
by someone as wonderful as you

Hey hey hey
I need your love
I'm down on my knees
beggin' please please
please don't go
don't you hear me Dave
don't leave me now
oh no no no don't go’

I'll buy a ticket from Florida to Liverpool and join Ross in that head first dip.

No way... can't be Round OMG no

"If I called out your name like a prayer in the night
Would you leave me alone with my tears?
Knowing I-I, I love you so-o, would you still turn and go?
Or would this time be different in some wa-a-ay?

Don't go (Please stay)
(Please stay)

I have to work...
Kev Johnson needs to beware - this is approaching favorite post ever
I think I wet myself a bit

Just wait until "the players don't show up" or some such nonsense.

Moyes will get skewered.

Not saying he won't succeed. But that first flat performance and God forbid he has two in a row - the knives will be out for DM

It's obvious he's gone. you don't get all that money going on him days before any rumour of SAF going had even turned up, and you don't all the media agreeing with each other like this so quickly...

A lot of people are gonna wake up to how small a club we've become. Like the FT said: the unfasionalble club in the country's poorest city. We are now miles behind Spurs, and without Moyes, will be many more points behind them, too.

Sliiiiiiide

Why 16 feet Paul? Shouldn't it be measured in cubits or some such thing?

What to make of it all?

They are appointing him now, but he will officially start at the end of the season, he will be in charge of Man U at the end of the season.

Woohoo!!!!!!

Pip? Was this his schooling? Will he be unveiled as an assistant? Why else was he here & kept well after sell-by date?

DM is basically a cunt if he walks after running his contract down & allowing for no compensation for a club who stuck with shit for 11 years whilst he snaffled one if the biggest manager salaries!

There's not much point to this post but I found it cathartic!

The silence is understandable. They won't comment until its official.

Sure seems a done deal

"I haven't seen them this excited since they that peodofiles address was printed in the newspaper".

Join in everyone: Celebration time come on!

I can't post anymore I HAVEto work.

Please keep it up Ill be reading from afar.

TY boys. Very enjoyable morning for me.

I know who my money's on !!

Me and Marshy will be dressed in the 70s jumpsuits belting out Celebration, and when we find Doddy, we will console him with a rousing rendition of Love will Tear us Apart, followed by Bee Gees' Tragedy.

Learning the dance now...

-statement just released by DM to my head.

BTW, 2 things:

1. Laudrup has just signed a contract at Swansea and

2. Laudrup has just signed a contract at Swansea.

I realise that's, technically, just one point but I thought it was worth mentioning twice.

(smiley face thing: just a joke, boys - it may be the rest of us are wrong)

Classic.

Ross - Will you still post this time next year and if we're in the bottom 3, will you admit that you were wrong?

David Moyes should he be appointed may not have the pot of gold he might like, it was only a few weeks ago that SAF was saying that United would spend in the coming summer but was contradicted last week by one of the directors.

I wish him all the very best as it will be a massive job taking over from Ferguson, thats why I thought they would appoint Mourinho someone who was used to handling a big club and big player egos.

Our problem will be the same as Man Utds in a way how do you replace someone who has been at the club for so long. I shudder when I hear some choices to replace Moyes, Martinez ok if you fancy flirting with relegation every year but not for me. Lets also remember that there are clubs who have come up into the Prem with less money than Wigan and arent relegation fodder.

Either talksport are wrong.

Or they're right and they're waaaaay ahead of the competition (ie: Sky).

Or they've simply taken a punt and hope they've guessed right.

Sky certainly haven't said anything.

Although in typical Everton style, this could all fall through at the last minute even if it is an outgoing move and not an incoming one

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/everton/next-permanent-manager

In other words, Moyes, Martinez, whoever, at the end of the day future progress depends on who owns and runs the club.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/sir-alex-ferguson-resigns-manchester-united-hope-to-appoint-david-Moyes-before-end-of-week-8607768.html

All the best DM. Good luck to your new academy boys, - especially the little ones.

Perhaps we will now get a proper midfield dynamo along the lines of Ya Ya Toure or Alonso. Gibson is only fit for the knackers yard.

So, what is your point mate?

Of course it's scary and we'll have mixed emotions - some divorces work, others invoke a lifetime of regret
I just hope that, somehow, we get lucky and pick up a modern Shankly or Clough rather than a football version of "Interesting" Steve Davis
We are Everton, aren't we? We go on

Wigan will get relegated and lose the cup final, and we'll get Martinez who will spend the next 5 years struggling against finishing 15th like the old days.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I miss the days when managers "swooped" for players instead of just bought them. You can't beat a nice swoop.

Sylvain Distin þ@sylvaind15tin 32s
Wish I could answer your questions but I don't know more than you guys... Nothing else to do but wait and see I guess

- for entirely inappropriate reasons your post with the sheet over their heads made me think of Suarez and Terry, holding burning crosses

Thats as exciting as the list of candidates will be!!!!

Would add Big Sam and Steve Bruce if they werent in decent employment.

little Euro experience
little experience of handling big money transfers
the way his Everton play

I wonder if Paul Daniels is available?

It wont be any of them on your list

My old man posted this on another forum and was nearly lynched

Stuart McCall, Reidy, Sheedy, Dunc,

I meant in all 4 leagues. I'm sure once Dario Gradi had retired the top 3 were Ferguson, Wenger then Moyes

Or did I imagine it?

Looks like it is definitely happening then.

"In fourth place... Mr Wigan [polite applause]. In second place..." And so on and so forth. I'd like to know who nearly got it.

Kenwright lives in London and Moyes is in the area to watch Chelsea play Spuds. SSN having been trying to make this link all day!

It still is Pulis, but then again he's not looking too safe at the minute. The one thing I think we're going to have to get used to is seeing a new manager every 18 months or so.

What really upsets me though is that when all the simple minded and miseducated are proved wrong about Moyes, I'll be too miserable at Everton's predicament to enjoy any "I-Told-You-So"s

If he goes I expect he'll take Baines with him.

We could all still be in for a major shock in the form of a special one!

Football today is a money game and let's face it, Everton haven't got any. Moyes has been a miracle worker with Everton as far as I'm concerned and doesn't get the credit he deserves. I am dreading an Everton without Moyes as I see a swift return to relegation battles season after season... I hope I'm wrong, but as I've already said football is a money game and we haven't got any.

Some on here need a reality check from time to time: we aren't living in the 60s or 80s anymore, we are broke and it was only Moyes holding back the flood for the last 11 years. All doom and gloom as far as I'm concerned.

Ill get me coat...

If he does go it would be a worry that we might end up with someone worse than him, there aren't many decent managers in the game who would be interested in Everton. Slaven Bilic maybe, we shall see....

Part of me says that Moyes wont be picked simply because I think he's bottled it too often and he's a very negative, cautious manager, and I don't think the Man U fans will put up with it. On the flip side, I think Ferguson will undoubtedly have a say in his replacement, and I wouldn't be surprised if Moyes was his first choice.

Anyway, I'm more concerned about who we replace him with. I want a young, energetic manager with knowledge of foreign transfer markets, a belief in making use of the academy and the willingness to work within the clubs finances, rather than carp for more cash than we can afford.

What I don't want to see is an O Neill type. I'd be happy with Martinez or Laudrup or a foreign coach who is used to working with smaller budgets and still being able to keep their teams competitive against the big boys in La Liga or wherever.

I'm a Moyes fan but I accept he has limitations. However I'm more concerned about Billy Bullshit's limitations and the prospect of him making the biggest decision (finding Moyes' successor) on our clubs future, since he tried to bungle us in the back of a van destined to Kirkby.

Enough for him to say,really, `Good luck ,Davey,thank you for saving my arse!`

But I must admit I've always wanted to know what DM could do if he could choose his players without worrying too much about the price-tag. Some of his comments over the years have reflected this, after all.

On a more somber note, now that the nay-sayers may have their wish: Who would be available that is even better at collecting shoestrings into a big ball of no opposition???

"I will make a bold prediction, and Michael and Lyndon can hold me to it for all eternity, but Moyes WILL FAIL at Man U. and we will be a BETTER SIDE without DM."

That's not a "bold prediction"; it is cowardly, mean-spirited bullshit. After your post suggesting that Moyes had played down the derby in training I vowed not to respond to your shite comments but this latest gem suggests that your malice toward a decent man knows no bounds.

Now the biggest club in world football is hiring the manager that you want rid of. Win-win, eh?

I'm starting to wonder if Moyes might still be everton boss come the summer. I will be a bit surprised if he is announced as new man u boss before the season is even over - that just doesn't fit for me, with the man.

ie he couldn't organise anything. I hope Moyes gives him a good tip and his wife isn't out shopping when the decisions get made IF Moyes is leaving!

Not heard much on here about the other side of the coin, giving SAF some respect. Life-long left-winger, heart solidly still in Glasgow's dockyards, and, quite frankly (Mr. Shankly) the greatest footie gaffer of all time in Blighty at any rate.

But if Moyes is to be announced - rather than unveiled tomorrow - does that mean he's absent for the last two games?

Big budgets and prestige at a premier club in one of the most glamorous cities in Europe watched by 100,000 to Sell-to-buy transfer shenanigans by the Goodison Supper Bar in front of the most agressive Family Enclosure in the world?

I suppose it would seem like a footballing verasion of I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here to him, ie take the cash and run.

You need to set your sights a bit more realistically, and particularly important I think is a Manager who has something to prove on the way up, not one on the way down.

These were rumours made up on here, that have now rolled out as facts. And then regurgitated over and over again.

So when that's the remit, its got to be a name like Ryjkaard or Bilic. That or we'll go back in the pack and like all the bottom 13 have the spectre of relegation over them at the start of each season.

I read the papers, listen to the radio, check the Internet. I'd say the circumstantial evidence is strong - wouldn't you?

Ross 969: I won't respond to any more of your pathological attention seeking. Over and out.

They can wait that one out... even if Moyes is decided.

Pleas not Martinez, though, the man's default position is one of quiet desperation.

I'm not suggesting that they will now plummet like a stone but this could well be the most significant event in English football for 20 years. Maybe the installation of "Agent Moyes" or indeed "A N Other Manager" at OT will herald a more dynamic league with a greater number of teams vying for the title...?

Of course I don't know - I'm just guessing here. You can announce a future retirement without knowing who the next incumbent is, that's all I'm saying.

That same youth development was what I saw as the hope of EFC, actually. But DM has become more and more tied to his trusted (and increasingly older) players. That's a strength short-term, but it will only make not-really-tried talents leave the club because they never had the chance to develop by playing the top level opposition. Despite that, I would hope that DM could have mixed that loyalty with his ability to spot new talent (and give them a good chance), if he just had the room for it. Some very good players could let less experienced players have room for errors now and then, until they learned from it...

With SAF going it appears that either Moyes/Mourinho are the 2 clear choices

If Moyes does go then fair enough to me, ive grown tired of him to be honest and think both he and us need a change. His comments about beating the Shite not meaning anything were pathetic, he wont get away with that bollocks at Old Trafford

Mourinho is a proven winner on so many levels while Moyes pedigree is the polar opposite. I admire Davie very much for keeping us in the Top 6 with no fucking money from Kenwright and his twat cohorts but Man Utd boss............really

We all, and that pesky media, is doing all the speculation about the new MU manager... :P

Anyone fancy a pint..?

I've pointed out in earlier posts that any decent business must have a succession plan and be actively working on potential successors.

Clearly Man U has. Can we expect that Everton has?

If so they should have done their homework on potential successors, been courting them and be ready to secure their services now that the inevitable has happened.

What are the odds?

No more or less valid so stop behaving like a fucking tart.

People don't moan BECAUSE we finish top 10, they moan for a million different reasons.

Well it's a forum, it's allowed.

Odds are he will not perform as well as Moyes, although there is a slim chance he could do better. So many people have said that its a risk worth taking, news for you guys, you should NEVER take a risk unless you can deal with the fall out if the risk backfires. Unfortunately we can not afford for the risk to back fire, we haven't the money to recover from an underperforming new manager. The consequences are potential relegation and lower league oblivion.

Sounds over the top? Absolutely not. You can not take a risk with money you can not afford to loose, yet this will be the rock and a hard place the club will find itself in if Moyes leaves. Like it or not Moyes was a safe pair of hands, he eliminated the financial risk to he club which has helped us get to where we are now, and no doubt provided the comfort the creditors liked and required. Do u think third parties are going to be as happy to lend money for a new untested manager to spend in the same way they would for Moyes? Of course not. Mark my words we could now be in really deep shit.

The moment for that statement is erm, when it happens, not today.

How can you say that the whingers have "EFC in their hearts" when they are deluded enough to think Moyes did a poor job?

Erm...didn't we take a risk 11 years ago?

According to your logic, it worked wonderfully.

Paul Ferry (35) Unless you know better, and you clearly feel that you do, Moyes hasn't gone yet!

He has gone get over it and deal with it.

The moment for that statement is erm, when it happens, not today

It is today get over it and deal with it

How can you say that the whingers have "EFC in their hearts" when they are deluded enough to think Moyes did a poor job?

What an utterly absurd statement; critics of Moyes do not have EFC in their hearts.

And Jamie (056) yes, grow up

If we are left without a manager it won't be because people like me are sick if him, it will be because Moyes himself has decided to go. Another words the club won't be taking a risk, the risk has been forced apon us.

I'm entitled to my opinion because after all its a forum i'm allowed!

But what I do know is that trawling over the tired ToffeeWeb MOB/IMWT argument seems pointless now.

How about start a "? OUT !" and "IN ? WE TRUST" row now so we can hit the ground running ?

can you explain how Moyes "eliminated the financial risk to the club " please

I won't shout you down on that one, Frank De Boer has already won 3 dutch titles with Ajax as their manager and thats only in 3 years. He must have a good understanding of developing youth also, because he came through the youth ranks at Ajax which is just about the best youth academy in the world. A more worthy contender then Martinez in my book

Nervy times though.

Laudrup oh Laudrup. but won't happen right?

I wish a cross-section of season-ticket holders could be in charge of picking the next gaffer rather than Dickie Dahling and his cronies.

Well Oscar just scored, is the dream still on!!!!!!

But more importantly: WHO? Or to re-phrase it: WHO but Guardiola, Mourinho, God etc would EFC-fans expect/want for our next manager? In the case of the first three on the list, never mind money, it will be God's will anyway... ;P

BUT on the other hand, we might get a manager than can break into the top four while those teams above us are spending money left right and centre, and we spend a pittance. Even though nobody has managed to come close to ever doing that in recent history (ironically except for Moyes).

Losing him to the Mancs is no big hardship — it's him coming back to take Fellaini and Baines... that's what I won't be able to stomach.

He suggested that EFC may not be a big enough club for Martinez as we're not a top European power.

Whatever happens, I hope we're not underwhelmed by the new manager as in HK Mk III. However, I've a funny feeling we all will be.

He's not only kept us in the Prem and free from relegation worries, he's somehow got us in and around the top six.

He's signed players like Bainesy, Lescott, Jags, Seamus and more for peanuts and turned them into top Premiership and international footballers. He's wheeled and dealed with his hands tied and no cards up his sleeve. If he does go to the top club in England he'll go with my thanks and blessing and I have no doubt at all he'll keep Man U where they are, miles ahead of the RS (thankfully).

I have grave concerns for us going forward however!!

There was a 28 year old United supporter interviewed on Talksport earlier.

He was two when Fergie arrived and has never known anything else.

When asked his thoughts, he started crying.

(honestly - you can hear it on their site).

It was very North Korea - "great leader gone, never known nuffink else mate, know what a mean?...Sniffle"

The reason I mention it is that there are one or two on here getting close to this sort of nonsense.

Moyes is a decent man and a decent manager.

How good?

Subjective, we all have our opinions.

My point though is he's NOT Everton FC.

For many younger supporters this may be a bigger deal than for those of us who have seen Everton managers (good/bad) come and go.

But let's pack in the L.Ron Moyes cult nonsense.

If he goes it's for ONE reason - because he sees something better for David Moyes.

That's it, nothing else.

I'll wish the man well when (IF?) he goes to Utd but that's it.

It's ALL about Everton and we should NEVER lose sight of that.

David Moyes is an Everton manager, NOT an Evertonian - there's a difference.

When the dust settles on this story it may well be that Billy Boy has been party to this all along as part of his love in for Davey. If so then he should have had plenty of time to make the right choices for Everton FC going forward.

We now have days of worry as not many will trust Billy Boy to make the right decisions.

Oh yes our loveable blue, you are well and truly in the spotlight now, the stage is yours.

A) Cheap
B) Happy to work within awful financial constraints

While both of the above are understandable, it would be nice to get I a manager that would challenge the board with regard to their ambitions, business practices and transfer budget - a "yes man" if you will. I therefore fear that we'll appoint someone that's just happy to be there and take a wage rather that someone who'll fight to push the club forward.

Wow, what a goal from Adepbayour, Adebayour, Adibiya, oh fuck it

I'm sure it will be somewhat of a wrench for Moyes personally to leave, but in life we all need a change of scenery sometimes.

Being such of a part of the make-up of what Everton is right now, I think it will be a difficult divorce for all concerned (or at least most of us.)

Thanks. So you believe ANY manager we bring in will lose the banks confidence as we will more than likely be relegated ?

However we shall soon see what Moyes can do - but for me he will no longer have to worry about legit goals being fucked off by the man in black. "Fergie" time will become "Moyes" time. Moyes will suddenly understand how players get given penalties and why Premier league referees give a penalty. His strikers will not go 18 games without scoring as they will be replaced with a 30 mil striker who can score goals. Moyes will also say that Goodison Park is a tough place to go but usually go home with 3 points.

Cracking.

DM's got the right to bully his chairman/board by now, as I see it. If they don't want to, or can't help but cringe in embarrassment, then go see the world! I'd like him to stay, though! With a big budget! Sooo, as I'm a pessimist anyway..., want to buy a map, DM???... :P

I think Marinio will go to Utd, Moyes may well end up at Chelski.

Ramirez 2-1 - 38th

An announcement could be made tomorrow afternoon.

Above just posted on BBC

BTW did you hear Beckham's interview: "I was privileged to meet Sir Matt before he passed away" Well you couod hardly have met him afterwards now could you-you squeaky voiced little gobshite

The team's too good for that, whoever comes in next. 10th-11ish I anticipate unless Kenright and them trip and fall over another great manager. But not relegation.

I believe BK and the board will appoint a yes man who won't challenge them with regards to budgets and off-the-field issues. I believe that may rule out ambitious, positive managers such as Martinez, Poyet etc.

I find it much more likely we'll get a Kenny Jacket or Malky McKay character who, at least in the short term, will just be happy with the step up top club.

Having said, it's really impossible to predict what any new manager will do or how successful they'll be.

Moyes would only have one striker in the team and one on the bench- so two from Rooney, V Persie, Welbeck and Hernandez. He would want to buy at least 3 additional right backs-can never have too many right backs you know. He would love Smalling and Jones as he could play them in midfield and make his right back quota which is at least 3 right backs on the pitch at any one time

In what regard?

I don't dispute for a second after 10/11 years he won't have some emotional attachment but he is a professional and will leave for EXACTLY the reason/s I stated - ie: He has the chance of something he believes is better for him.

Nothing at all wrong with it, but...it IS a fact.

Plus it honestly WON'T be difficult for me as once he's gone, he (for me) becomes simply an employee of another club (nb: a club that's NOT Everton).

Maybe it's my age - I was brought up during a less sentimental time.

An era of no man-hugging, no crying, no 'feminine side' and no 'opening up'.

As Rigsby once said "When you scored in my day all you got was a firm handshake....these days you get covered in love-bites"

Now, where does that leave us?

I see Bilic as a good manager for Everton, but Bill Kenwright WILL make the wrong choice and probably hire Martinez.

I have no faith in Bill to do what is best for Everton, and therein lies the problem.

I have a feeling that Moyes has been planning with Ferguson for a while now to take over, thus the reason why Moyes has not signed a new contract.

I fear for Everton and next season if Bill ends up picking the wrong manager, he has to take the advice of Moyes for a new manager and so I feel it stands between Martinez and Lennon because Moyes respects them.

I feel the worst of the two is Martinez, though I think Lennon is an average manager in PL standards. My nightmare would be to see Mark Hughes, Gary Megson or some other below-average manager.

We are in for a nail-biting time in my view. Fellaini will be gone for sure, and even perhaps Baines if the next manager ends up being one without a backbone.

Way more exciting than dithering, dour Davey though right lads?

If Tony Pulis is in the frame I think I'll bring my missus shopping on Sat. afternoons

We're probably about 10th in the league in terms of financial turnover, and Moyes gets about 75% of that to work with, to spend on salaries or transfer fees. He has us performing a few places higher than our finances would suggest, but that's only worth a couple of million to the club and 7th or 10th doesn't matter in any tangible sense to anyone who is rational(unlike winning a trophy or qualifying for europe).

Personally I don't expect us to finish 6th or wherever. I'd rather we focus on the long-term health of the club, and if we finish mid-table then thats ok. I'm more concerned that we're taking on more debt each season to try to push for a CL place, and our squad seems to be ageing with no younger players being given a reasonable chance.

Who knows if the next manager will be better or worse than DM? One thing I do know is that DM's plan to take the club forward built on debt while chasing the magical european qualification, is one that Leeds fans might be able to tell us some stories about.

P.S. don't be so pessimistic Paul. Martinez will be great for us.

'Well,congratulations Moyes haters. Looks like you're all finally going to get your wish. I look forward to our relegation battle with Martinez at the helm next season'

Pathetic recycled meaningless doggerel.

Hey the tables are turning, it's Mackie and the lads who are looking forward to relegation battles and predicting doom and gloom. Bless.

Get behind the next gaffer!!!!

Oh you Moyes lovers you just want the EFC manager to fail, don't you?

De Boer would be a good choice in my opinion. I would also be happy with Klop, Rikjaard or Laudrup but, If Moyes does go, I think Martinez will be Number One choice with the Board. Part of the reason for this is that he has come from a small club and has worked on a small budget and at the moment he isn't really big time (if you know what I mean).

I don't think this Board would be able to control one of my preferred choices. I would give Martinez a chance but he would be lower down the list for me.

Do you really think that Kenwright and his cronies have any kind of backup plan in place at all? They'll be rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of appointing a new manager on August 31st so that they don't have to spend any transfer cash.

Nobody I know Hates David Moyes either as a person or as a manager, many may dislike aspects of him, some question his methods but nobody hates him.

We have been in worse situations than this and come through it, we will come through this as well, it was inevitable that David Moyes would leave the club at some point and now it looks as if it will be sooner rather than later.

He was never hounded out by the fans, he may not have enjoyed the love of the fans like Royle or Kendall but he was never hounded out and most of the people I know respected him rather than loved him.

We don't know what the future holds, we don't know how we will play under a new manager, but to be so fatalistic and believe it to be the death knell of the club is plain hyperbole of the highest order.

Good luck to David Moyes in his future career but the most important thing is the next manager of Everton FC and what he produces both in style and results. COYB

Get rid of those and you can finish 17th and still rake in a profit. But its the boards fault that we pay these guys millions each season rather than using our academy players, of course. Poor, poor Davie.

And Paul, although I want to see Moyes gone, I don't hate the guy; I just think he's taken us as far as he can and presents a real risk to our future. I think you'd have to look pretty hard to find an evertonian who hates the guy. He's stabilized the club from where we were and turned around a very old, shit squad.

As an aside, the hysterical nature of some of the posts is quite amusing. I'm glad I'm not living some of your lives. Its seriously wrist-cutting stuff the way some people are convinced that Moyes leaving means the end of our club. Get a grip, for your own sakes.

For all the criticism that Moyes has received recently , I believe he has done an outstanding job in period that he was in charge.. He has definitely moved the club forward ..

Not villified for keeping Moyes short of cash, but more a rueful grin, hey what can I do it's United, the biggest club in the world, I can't stand in the Lads way.

To be honest its no bad thing if we did start getting rid of our debt and trimming the squad down. I've said for ages we can't afford to be paying very average players who can't even get into the squad 50k / week, or fellaini/Pienaar 70k / week. Those players need to be moved on and cheaper alternatives brought in to bring our spending under control.

Grow up.

Who's Tommy Lawton?

Good luck DM and thanks for your persistent hard work and commitment.

My overriding thought now is that BK will be shitting himself. Less than a million net spend over the past five years and were expected to bring in an ambitious successor? Drop your price you egotistical bufoon, you are continuing to put our great club at risk.

Must be nice walking through life seeing things in binary polarities.

And we can assume that you will do the same as you ask of those you limply and lamely berate if the next gaffer does a good job?

I remember Charlton fans saying the same thing about Alan Curbishley when he got them to 7th two seasons on the trot. Absolutely ridiculous attitude from their fans who for some reason felt that their team should be higher!! Look what's happened to them since he left. You often only realise what you have when it's gone.

Are you really that naive?
We havent got a carrott,are mortgaged up to the eyeballs and the banks refuse to lend us anymore.
Stop talking absolute nonsense please.