Everton reject reports that Baines wants United deal

BAINES HAS JUST ASKED FOR TRANSFER!

Is there just no end to our shit situation?

Jarg

Put it in writing then Leighton, save us a bit of cash on your 'loyalty' payment.

Dear Leighton, you've done everything right so far and have always maintained your professionalism - if you want leave then good luck and win some medals.

Hopefully a smoke screen for Felainis sale.

Do Moyes' teams win medals?

Don't blame the board for this one, put the blame firmly on Moyes and if Baines wants to go we'll have to get on with it.

Put in a transfer request and THEN "agree a deal" Leighton.

As I mentioned on another thread, they should put it in writing. This bollocks is akin to telling your boss you want to leave to join a rival firm, but would like a redundancy package.

Baines, Fellaini, Bale, Rooney and Ratboy can't be struggling for cash surely?

We have to pay them to leave basically. And no doubt we'll get stuck with a portion of the agents fee.

Holding OUT for £18m!?

If there is ANY truth in that, what a joke!

Fucking ridiculous, we're basically talking about England's first choice left-back, a box-to-box player, sets up goals, scores goals and has a great free kick in him...for the price of Henderson.

He should be told "You want to go to United? Fine. Tell your pal it's£25m minimum or you're going absolutely nowhere - no ifs or buts".

Hold on Geoff Freeman (917)

Don't blame Moyes either. If Baines has asked to leave the blame lies squarely with him. He's an Everton player, with 2 years left on his contract who's asking to leave without submitting a transfer request. He should at least have the decency to submit one and save the club a few bob if he wants to go.

No one else to blame but Baines if this is true.

I can't believe this!!!

Well said Matt T.

Put it in writing... Or shut up and get back to work.

Really shows Everton in a poor light if both Fellaini and Baines were to be off. And for anything less than 40 million. Liverpool and Man U have shown their power against their players; even Tottenham have at least managed to screw Real Madrid for over 85 million (if reports are to be believed). Bad, bad business and shows how far Everton have fallen. Barkley will be off for 12 million next in the January transfer window. Very depressing ....

Money talks
Everton don't have any that is why at times like this I fucking despise that twat we have as a chairman
Fuck off Kenwright and leave OUR club before there is nothing left to sell or mortgage
Barkley to Manure this time next year

Eugene spot on. He is worth much more than that. Henderson, Smalling, Carroll, Jones, look at the prices paid for these muppets. if he goes its on our terms. Grow a pair Bill and tell your mate DM how it is.

The ginger is doing his best to destroy us.

Interesting that its Sam Wallace as he's written a lot of articles favourable to David Moyes, not least the one he wrote at the weekend backing Moyes' behaviour regarding the bid for Fellaini and Baines. The question I would really like to know is where is Sam Wallace's source from, Moyes, Baines or Everton. If I was to put money on it, at the minute I would say Moyes.

I just wonder if this is following the usual script, little leaks here and there, player unsettled as time ticks down, then he goes with no time for our Manager to spend the money, cue all the 'he wanted to go, we couldn't stand in his way' bollocks, seen it all before, Arteta anyone?

Smacks of the usual EFC Board shenanigans to me, we'll see...............

Is it true ? God knows. Are Merseyside just saying what The Indy are saying to claims to be first ? Would be depressed if this happens as I thought he was loyal. But football tells me day after day to stop being so silly with my hopes. But Geoff says it right : "if Baines wants to go we'll have to get on with it." And we will. After Stevenage beat us !

Remember man u have a batch of journos on their pay roll like Wallace, richardson and currie. They're job appears to be to destabilise other teams players to benefit united. But radio merseyside have joined in now so I suppose it will be the echo next. Billy liar will say he was just going along with public opinion.

Gutting but not unexpected. Fellaini & Baines will both go, undisclosed fee obviously!

Why the fuck are these news stories breaking just before we have a game that is 3 in a row now and it is getting a bit suspect.

Tell Baines he’s going nowhere and if he wants to rot in the reserves on a world cup year, so be it. He’ll soon come round. Unless Utd want to pay us the 20 million he’s worth then I’d let him go.. If we want to be a big club we need to start acting like one.

If it's true, let the lad go. It's a pity every time we put together talented players other teams with deeper pockets can take them. I's a pity the game is dying. I'm pretty bored with the Prem. I am sure with all the young talent that gets discarded by these over inflated Premier League teams, we could create a league of city teams that play in a league that is not run by the FA. It might not have the money but I bet it would be exciting. The FA-led Premier League is killing our beautiful game.

I m still amazed that there are people that do not understand the influence of age, and remaining length of contract have a players value.

If he had signed the new deal he was offered in July (according to RM), then his fee would definitely be around 30 million. But as it stands, he hasn't signed a new deal, which effectively means at the end of next year he can talk to any club he likes over a free transfer. Playing hardball over the price now means you will have a pissed off player on your hands, who you will effectively lose for nothing in future. I think 15-18 million would be a fair fee.

Good point Connor, the clubs need to retake control over these people. It's all a load of shit this wanting CL football, it's all about money. Let them both rot in the ressies and see if they make it to brazil. Twats.

Despite being late in the window and difficult to spend, the problem, as ever is that if Baines goes the money won't necessarily go to the manger. We must be net positive in transfers over the last few seasons regardless of the new TV money which is being spent by all and sundry including Southampton, sorry fucking Southampton who have spent 36m. Why do we even have a board that draw salaries. They're fucking parasites bleeding the club dry.

WHERE'S THE MONEY BILL??????????????

Barkley, Mirallas, Coleman......won't be long before they'll all have gone. Maybe if we all stopped acting like sheep and didn't buy our season tickets next year we might see some movement at the top..... I was that close to kicking it into touch this year but thought that, with a new manager etc., things might just improve. How wrong can you be.

If its true, let the lad go. Pity, every time we put together talented players other teams with deeper pockets can take them. Pity the game is dying.

I'm pretty bored with the Premier League.
I am sure with all the young talent that gets discarded by these over inflated Premier League teams we could create a league of city teams that play in a league that is not run by the FA.
It might not have the money but I bet it would be exciting.

The FA-led PL is killing our beautiful game.

Can anybody tells me who plays left-back for Wigan so I can do research on Baines' replacement?

Don't believe a word of it. A pack of lies.

Ged- Loyalty isn't really something that should be debated. Baines or Fellaini are not fans- it is their job. People shouldn't expect loyalty- like in any job, he has been offered an element of career progression, so wants to take it. This in itself isn't really news. At least Martinez has known this since the first day of pre season, so some kind of plan will be formulated.

Of course, Everton do still hold cards, but I would have thought if they are offered £35m for the pair then that will be a deal.

Whatever happens, Baines has always performed well and acted professionally at Everton and I for one would wish him all the best.

Where's the money,Bill? Nicholas @ 942 asks. Well,if he's referring to the TV cash,I imagine that was borrowed against last season.If you are talking of the possible transfer cash from Man U.,it will only amount to about £ 17.5M (the half up front) and will come in too late to sign anybody but a couple from Wigan.

Betya !

Why couldn't Baines have said that at the begining of the transfer. Window and give us a chance to get other players in?

I really hope this isn't true, if it is then Kenwright best not screw us over. At least £20m for the best left back in the world.

I'm sorry but unless United pay somewhere near the asking price what can Everton do?

Robert, spot on - but it still hurts to think that we will lose Bainsey. Of course, if I ever played for Everton, there is no way that I would ever ask for a transfer....but then, at the age of 62, I think my opportunities have diminished somewhat now!

They will both be gone come 2nd Sept. Should have all been done sooner to allow us to bring in replacements. I can tell you what will happen now.

They both go.

McCarthy is brought in.

Deadline closes leaving a tidy piece of change for Billy liar to pay his creditors

Phil Walling

That was actually very funny. Though you probably weren't joking.

Can I be the first one to point out that newspapers *occasionally* get things wrong. There's been a few comments almost having a go at the lad before we know the full story.

Best left back in the world is a bit far. EPL yes. World no. Alba and Lahm are pretty flawless LB's.

Spot on Darren@936, it's getting on my tits.

If Baines does want to go, fair enough. He has only a couple of years playing at his very best left. He has been incredible for us, but if he wants to play Champions League and have a shot of winning the Premiership, fair enough.

2 things though.

If he really wants to go then he needs to hand in a transfer request, thereby waving his pay off.

Manu need to stump up the £20 mil he's worth (maybe £18 mil if he was to put in the request).

Baines won't pull a strop and refuse to play and so we have the upper hand (if the board wants it).

If this is true, I'll be as shocked as anyone else. As Darren (936) says this is the third time, just before a match that this has happened.
One part of me hopes this is only Machiavellian Man. U. Moyes initiated phishing, but the other is thinking " there's no smoke, without fire "
At the end of the day, we have to deal with it, whichever way we can. This is one situation where the Chairman should come out of his closet, and make some sort of declaration, whether it be of resistance, (fat chance) or indeed to dispel any such stories, and put the fans in a position, of at least knowing where they stand.
That term " Loyalty Bonus " is a joke, in these modern football times, the only ones with any loyalty are the fans, but there again they don't really matter do they ?

Bit of an odd story, since it says the request predates the Man Utd bids that have been turned down. In which case, it is not a story at all, but a bit of out of date gossip that is neither here nor there.

If he wants to go, genuinely, then he should put in a formal request, and Martinez should drop him and play Oviedo. Fuck anyone who does not want to play for us.

Dan

Thank you so much for that explanation of how contracts work I feel enlightened and can put my silly misguided objections to selling the player with the most assists in Europe, the current England left back to our former manager on the cheap.

Here is an alternative scenario we took a leaf out of some other clubs book and say they aren't for sale and tell players under contract to get on with it. I am sure Baines and Fellani have it in their own interests to play well this season if they want to play in the world cup and possibly get their transfer next season.

Selling players below their true value to our hypocritical ex manager might not piss the two players off but it would piss off Evertoinians well most anyway, apart from those more concerned with their adoration for the ginger one.

James Stewart

Lahm is a right back

The guy who wrote the article. About 2 years ago I was working at his house and got into a discussion with him re everton. He couldnt tell me much as he said he didnt really have many dealings with them being based in the south. Cant see why thats changed since then. Hopefully just lazy paper talk

Agreed Jon, I find the whole 'loyalty bonus' payoff thing rather disingenuous really- I don't think that many players move and take a pay cut, and surely it is the only job where you get a lump sum for staying in your job!

"We fought like mad to keep Baines and we were successful."

Unfortunately we had to bow to Fellainis wish to leave

Paul Andrews

He plays left back far more often.

Dear Leighton

Please don't leave. Man Utd are ugly in every way and cheat. At Everton, we have standards and do not want to win at ANY cost. Losing with Everton is better than 'winning' with Man Utd.

Please stay.

Best wishes
Paul

cc: Marouane Fellaini [same applies]

Ray Roche #944 - a change at the top? So you mean the three people who own this club will decide that you, a mere customer, are right and they hand over ownership to . . . . another different 3 people who will treat you exactly the same.

And never mind, where is the money Bill - simple fact he hasn't got any. The real question is where is the money Woods and Earl. They are the leaches.

Personally, I think that we’ve relied far too much on Baines in recent years.The Bainaar click has long since been sussed.

Everything I have read on this all stems from the one source - the Wallace article in the Independent. This article has no quotes or even mentions sources close to anybody. It is just one big wind-up by a Man Utd reporter doing his bit to keep the price down and help HIS teams boss.

My opinion - article is a crock of shit.
Then again, we will find out more on Monday night.

Nicholas #974 - is being fed bullshit for 15 years classed as a chemical weapon? Get the UN in!

Rubbish. I can't see Baines sulking and throwing a strop like Ronaldo wannabe Donkey Kong.

Is this for real or just a rumour? Not seen anything definite.... and nothing on Sky Sports and they are usually the first with any rumour, whatever chance of validity it has.

If its true (big if) then it suggests OFM has tapped up baines and Felli before leaving ( while still on the payroll). Jesus effing Christ.... Might explain the previous terrible bid.

'OFM 'Ill take you with me'

LB & MF 'Ok, put in a bid and it'll be done'

Might explain OFM's terrible 'I know exactly how everton work' jibe.

Shows what an absolute soulless waste of space, as the supposed holder of the moral high ground, he is. The tool!

I personally won't believe this until Everton FC tell me otherwise ! As has been mentioned previously these journalists are paid to start the ball rolling. I fully expect to lose Fellaini but would be truly gutted to lose both.

I really do try to be positive with all things Everton but I am gradually being worn down season by season. £8.6m spent after a major injection of cash ? We are made to look total muppets every transfer window and we always 'soldier on' ! It's getting to be a real ball ache now ! Don't ya just love being a blue !

A crock of shite if you ask me!

Load of bollocks I think, my mate just texted Baines good friend (yeh I know) whom he works with and he said its lies, lets hope it is.

I bloody hate the transfer winnd

I bloody hate the transfer window - if this much effort and attention had been paid to how to improve cheese graters I could use both hands to type.

May not be true, but probably is.

This is the problem with football, we kid ourselves that the players care, but they only care for themselves.
Who can really blame them, its their career, their livelihood, but its still disappointing when a local lad leaves somehow!
It always seems like your being taken for a mug, and almost certainly you are!

Who will be the next ones to go?

For all those saying 'it's bollocks' - hope you're spot on. Losing this player now will be a huge kick in the plums.

Phil Sammon,
No he doesnt

What fucks me off more than anything is a supposedly respected journalist can just toss this out there - and 90% of the time it comes to nothing but there's no come back on Sam Wallace when it turns out to be bollocks.

He'll sit there on Sunday Supplement and the like looking wistful and the fucking media gravy train will roll on.

Then you got The Times with their 'Liverpool FC' correspondent putting in a piece a fucking day even if it has to be 'Brendan Rodgers brushes his teeth with Colgate" and it makes me want to SCREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll be bloody glad when I'm gone.

Alabama and Contento compete for the left back position at Bayern,Phillip

Alaba

Played left back for far more of his career, Pauline. He can play both comfortably so god knows why you felt the need to correct someone who didn't need correcting.

Serious stuff indeed.

Club say no request made. Move on.

What position has he played for the last 3 seasons Phil?

By th way,I felt the need to correct you because you made a incorrect statement....."he plays left back far more often."

So it was all a load of rubbish? Thank Christ for that. I almost felt slightly annoyed with Bainsey lad.

A tame journo paid off by Utd to keep trying to turn Bainsy head.

(Well that's what I hope anyway).

Take no notice to these national journos.
Now if one of the Echo reporters such as Greg O'Keefe writes the report........

No Paul, you corrected James Stewart who said he was a fantastic left back. He is.

No Phil.
I corrected you when you said "he pays left back more often"

Post 970

......He does not.

So reading between the lines, he's gone then.

Paul Andrews

Post 965

James Stewart
Lahm is a right back.

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So you addressed it to James Stewart...about a subject he was talking about...but it was actually intended to correct me...despite me not having commented on Lahm at that point.

My mistake, clearly.

Everyone in football knows not to believe anything that is written in any of the papers.

I don't think either of them going anywhere. Moyes can do one.

Couldn't blame the lad in all honesty if true, which I doubt it is by the way. Most of us should know by now that, as long as Bill Kenwright remains in charge, we as a football club are going nowhere. Never going to change.

Mirror are reporting that Moyes has improved his offer for both players (LB & MF) to £38m. But Everton want to know how much it is for each player. I think it is more likely both will go as the Daily Mirror has videos of both players within the story LB's is entitled 'Best Left Back in The World?" and MF's :Unplayable"

Apparently Spurs have joined the chase for McCarthy and Wigan want a minimum of £15m rising to £20m.

I wonder how Sam Wallace would feel if I printed a rumour about him having a drink problem? It might be very disruptive to his personal and professional life. He might sue. He also might realize what it feels like to be on the other end of rumour mongering. It's a dirty business.

Bit strong Albert. It is his job after all. Making some libelous suggestions isn't exactly the same is it? Their is no smoke without fire and I imagine that Baines does want the move. Look at the report in the telegraph today. I don't think it is total rumour mongering whether or not it is 100% true or not.

The fact that its late in the window is not due to circumstance , it was always going to be a deliberate plot to get them cheap.

Paul,

Lahm plays as a RB or LB. He's played loads of games for club and country in both positions and is pretty much the dogs bollocks in both positions.

Jordi Alba is better than baines as well.

I would say Baines is the best in the EPL though at LB

For those arguing about Philipp Lahm he generally plays left back for the German national team and right back for Bayern. He is in general a right back back but when he got to the national team they played him left because Germany have always been strong on the right hand side.

Shhhhhh Phil.
There's a good girl

Haha. Ok Paul.

Nick #942 "WHERE'S THE MONEY BILL??????????????"

Probably spent on the new logo and the replacement of the new logo.

I would be more disappointed if Baines left than if Fellaini did, but would understand his desire to move more

He is older and has less time to play at the highest level. That said, if he is to go the deal has to be right for Everton. He has 2 years left on his contract, he will still be worth a fair whack next summer so really we are in a strong position with him.

Hope he stays, but in the past selling big players has helped to move the squad on a way that league positioning wont as the financial gains are much greater. I suppose it could be dubbed the Moyes way of Everton management!

And yet again mass hysteria against players, board and former managers follows on from one unsubstantiated newspaper article.
You do understand that not everything in newspapers is proven to be 100% true, right?

Phil Roberts @972

Yes, Phil, a change at the top. The only power a supporter has is to remove his support. I accept that this is unlikely to bring about the level of change that is required to put Everton back as a power in football, especially now that Sky own football and Sky's money compensates for the flat cap wearing, working mans miniscule investment in our club and football in general, but it just might make us feel a bit better. Knowing that Tiny Tears has no-one clapping him when his grid appears on the Jumbotron in the corner of the ground.

Wood, Earl and the vacant Green couldn't point to Goodison on a map but if someone pointed out an empty stadium with tumbleweed blowing through it, it might help them to piss off without the massive return on their "investment" that they hoped for. (Or that Bill promised them)

1) hopefully just more shite from tomorrows fish and chip wrapping. 2) If you want loyalty get a dog. 3) (IF?) When Untd, Moyes, Baines and Fellaini turn up here next April, I hope the *welcome* they get makes the shit Rooney had thrown at him look like a fond adieu....still point (1) still might apply...Bitter in advance - Yes, but like OFM says He knows how Everton work and boys pen billy has years of previous for this....* not holding breath *

This sounds like more newspaper selling lies. They need to sell their poisonous little opinion rags somehow. Kenwright needs to stand his ground this time and either get a £40m+ fee or tell United to do one. Both players have a contract and I can't see either of them refusing to play in a World Cup year, even if they are a little miffed. I'm not convinced either of them is determined to leave. Liverpool have stood firm on Suarez, we should show the same resolve or we will just be confirming our status as United's feeder club.

I seem to remember the Dear Leader saying Baines was going to be offered a new contract back in June ? What happened to that ? Either Z aimed not willing to sign or more BK BS. My money on the latter.

At least we have a replacement for baines in oviedo.

Oviedo looked a bit poor. And his hitler hairdo was making me feel ill

Who has actually said Baines has asked for a Utd deal other than Man Utd scare-mongering, shit-stirring press machine ???

According to RM it’s not true...just another shithouse tactic from ’Bollyeyes’ Moyes and his gang of merry men to unsettle our player

Kenwright should get on the blower and in no uncertain terms tell Moyes & Man Utd to FUCK RIGHT OFF !!... and finish by telling them that even if Fellaini and/or Baines are eventually sold it will NOT be to Man Utd at any time for any price.....perhaps then they will go away once & for all

Alcaraz can play left back.

Everton have a figure in mind that they need to achieve, I'd guess at £20m.

If they can get that for one of the two, so be it but if they can't they will both be off.

Everton's business model doesn't sustain £70k per week player wages and 29 year olds worth >£15m going in to the last year of their contracts.

It's pure economics unfortunately.. The problem is that no one else is in for these two so we can't pump the price up so we have to play the 'no deal' game which takes you right up until deadline day.

If Mourinho wanted to cause some mischief he could put a bid in at any time.

James, Alba has clear defensive weaknesses, which Baines does not so overtly suffer from. It's easy to state Alba is better because he plays for Barca and Spain...How would Baines do in those teams?

Also, Spurs are not going to buy McCarthy, that's bullshit. They have Capoue, Sandro, Paulinho and Dempsey who can all operate in deep-lying positions. Newcastle are the most likely purchases in that respect imo.

And if we go into the season with Oviedo at left back, we won't finish above 10th.

If we had a 'friendly' club somewhere we could initiate a fake bid to consider which would either raise the stakes for Moyes or would force the players to come out and say they didn't want to join the other party implicating them and therefore forcing them to say they wanted to stay or join Man Utd, the latter move affectively forcing them to hand in a transfer request forgoing their loyalty bonus.

It's simple negotiation really and our club are shit at it.

I am sick of all this now. Just close the window, and then we can concentrate on the pitch matters. SkySports/Other Media doing their best to sell our players, a chairman who is hiding (We haven’t herd from while the window has been open) and yet he gets away with it because he stood in the boys pen! Where’s the money bill?, only reason teams are cherry picking us for everything we have is because they know we’re skint. Sick of it!

The transfer window needs to be restructured as the only beneficiaries seems to sky sports, the tabloids and agents. The window should open as soon as the season finishes and then closes sometime before the new season; 2-3 weeks for example. This will give the manager time to work with his squad.

As for arguments about teams having to go out and buy because of injuries, loss of form etc; that why teams have squads. To carry on with this non ending speculation which affects the form of not only the player but the team in general at the start of each season must come to an end.

The reality of this situation is the timing if true not the end of the world, if we can get in younger replacements. However it shows more lack of respect that Baines , if true, waited till the last few days to blow his big secret. Seems that a conspiracy by a ginger highlander with no respect for the clan he used to be supported by.

What a load of nonsense. I just read the following on the Daily Tory about this:

"Leighton Baines has pleaded with Everton to grant him his dream move to Manchester United, according to reports."

Pleaded? Dream move? His dream move was to Everton in 2007 and would massively doubt that he would agitate for a move .

He may well be open to signing for Utd, but who wouldn't be, especially at this stage of his career? If we get a good enough offer I'm sure we'll sell him (and Fellaini) because everyone has their price, but clearly the club want Baines to stay as we all do so it might not happen at all.

As others have said, the transfer window should be closed once the season starts - but this is of course complicated by each countries leagues starting at different times.

Tough one.

Martinez has not actually denied it. He said it's speculation and we will deal with it and questioned where the leak had come from. He was directly asked if Baines had asked for a transfer and he didn't give a yes or no.

There's an easy solution, the English FA shouldn't start the season until the transfer window is closed. Then UEFA can't complain about it affecting their competitions. Why does the January window have to be so long? Why not have a window for a week to 10 days.

On another matter how can it be right that Professional Footballers Association CEO Graham Taylor is allowed to keep his job if as is alleged he has staked in the region of £4m worth of bets in two and half years, including bets on football?

How many other people in senior administrative positions are gambling on football?

Patrick - how would that help? Each European league starts at different times and due to the laws of freedom of movement for workers across Europe, you can't enforce one single rule on England and not on everyone else.

It's a lot more complicated than simply saying no English club can do business when other countries can.

On a lighter note (?), does anyone really believe that, if Leighton Baines had been planning on leaving Everton, he would have come out (along with Jagielka and Robles) to meet the fans in the Main Stand after the Austria Vienna friendly? Let alone would he have almost insisted (OK, insisted may be a bit strong!) on having his photo taken with me?

PS. Lahm used to play left back before the Austrian Wunderkid - David Alaba - joined Bayern Munich. His versality, in my book, makes him the best full back in the world.

James (271) which newspaper is The Daily Tory? This could be Mail/Express/Telegraph/Sun (and probably Star if you include comics) of the national dailies, and just about all regional newspapers !

I never went in the shop yesterday but a couple of lads in the Park End were saying they were not selling Fellaini stuff anymore. Did anyone else notice?

I don't understand James, all I'm advocating is that the PL starts after the official window shuts, how is that affecting other leagues?

Robert 309, that was a hundred years ago in football politicking terms only about another 10 years to go, lots more twists and turns to come.

Personally I will be astonished if he stays.

Patrick - because the transfer window alludes to the buying of players from other countries, so you can't just shut it in England because it affects the freedom of movement of players in the rest of Europe.

It does vary slightly from country to country, but if you were to suddenly say that English clubs couldn't buy anyone from say, Italy the day before the Premier League starts, then that would have an effect on the Italian league as well.

You would also find that you would need to get every league to come close to agreeing on a date close to (or very close to) the start of the season for it to be a level playing field for every nation - this is where it gets complicated because each league starts at different times.

It's a really tricky thing to balance out.

Brian#311

I meant the Daily Mail/Tory.....you're pretty much bang on though, all rags!

No James I'm saying that the English FA don't start their season until the window has expired thereby not affecting any other nation or freedom of movement.

EG window shuts 2nd September, PL starts 3rd September onwards.

If clubs want games before the PL season starts have a few rounds of the League Cup.

The issue with that is that other European countries/teams will still be able to buy players for a longer period while our clubs can't = never going to be agreed to.

Our clubs would be put at a disadvantage over the rest of Europe.

Barry 316 - I still hope that he will not use that photo as an excuse for leaving! I shall have to delete it from Facebook if he goes - or send it to a Man Utd friend so that I can be airbrushed out, along with the Everton badge on LB's shirt!

Why not ban clubs from buying/selling in their OWN league? They could still sell/buy to/from Madrid or Barca but not Utd, City, Shite etc. Less disruption to our clubs.

James it DOES NOT impinge on the rest of Europe if our FA start their games AFTER the WINDOW closes. That's my last serious attempt to get my point across.

A novel idea, Patrick ;-)

Sorry, I was getting a bit bogged down with the ins & outs rather than listening to your pleas!

You're right of course, that would make things much simpler. Seeing as all the major leagues transfer windows end within about 3 days of each other, they should just agree on an earlier date.

I don't know if moving the start of our league season would be accepted by the FA - there would be fixture pile-ups wouldn't there?

Probably a load of shit. The journos want Baines and Fellaini to go to Utd because obviously we don't deserve them, they deserve Utd. It was sickening hearing them defend Moyes' comments that they should move for the good of their careers on that sunday morning sky programme. Get out of Moyes' arse already.

IF the reported improved bid of £38 million is true IMO we will sell

That's £24 million for Fellaini and £14 million for Baines Paul.

Is it Jamie?
Who gave you that information?

I think Baines in on his way out. Buttner has joined Besiktas on loan.

Hmmm... That's a smoking gun if ever there was one. Unless Moyes wants to crack on with one left back all season.

Well if true (big if) that United have bid £38 million then that's one hell of a jump from the derisory £28 million. Still don't think it's either high enough or early enough (in the window) to agree to. Incidentally I emailed Sam Wallace about his story and asked where it came from United or Everton? No reply so far!

John, how fecking naïve-don't you know journalists NEVER disclose their sources!
Having said that Sam always had a direct line to Moyes so you can draw your own conclusions!

According to the Independent, £38 million joint bid has now been rejected.

now*

Now Wallace is reporting that Everton's rejection of Moyes' latest bid is a 'Blow for Baines'
Surely that should read a 'Blow for Moyes'
Welcome to the limitations of 'Dithering Davie' all you Manure fans

The Guardian have reported the offer as £36m (not the Indie said "about £38m). So, the new combined bid amounts no no more than the lapsed £23.5m buy out amount, plus £12m for Baines (YET AGAIN!) with a massive £500k sweetener thrown on top. Quite rightly EFC told them to do one. I'm hoping that with their tough Champions League draw Arse flash the chequebook and steal Felli from under Moyes nose with a bid in excess of £25m.

*"note the Indie said..." I meant to type.

Someone please delete my previous two posts. I'd meant to say...

The Guardian have reported the offer as £36m (note the Indie said "about £38m"). So, the new combined bid amounts to no more than the lapsed £23.5m buy out amount for Felli, plus the same £12m for Baines (YET AGAIN!) with a massive £500k sweetener thrown on top. Quite rightly EFC told them to do one. I'm hoping that with their tough Champions League draw, Arse flash the chequebook and steal Felli from under Moyes' nose with a bid in excess of £25m.

Tonight's Guardian, note Martinez distancing himself from whatever happens next:

Despite his stance that Everton do not want to sell Baines or Fellaini, Martínez said the club must be "prepared for anything" before Monday's transfer deadline and made the significant admission that negotiations will be left to Kenwright and United. "I am not aware of it," he said of an improved United bid. "I have told the chairman I don't want to know anything that's going on, I only want to know the final news if there is anything.

Phil I'm not naive, but no harm putting a bit of pressure on him is there? I pretty much told him that I thought his 'story' came from United. By the way I've emailed a few journalists and some do actually reply, sometimes with interesting comments.

If they've bid just over Fellaini's release clause then it's amateur hour at United. They could have had this sewn up in a straightforward manner a month ago without all of this fucking around!

Noticed that John - maybe he's on to tiny tears already.

Well Bill, what's it to be? Take the money and ruin the season, or stand firm and show some fucking bottle?

Thanks for the heads up on the guardian article. Interesting quote there from Roberto: "I have had enough of 'he said this, he said that'. This is a really sensitive situation because you're talking of a chairman and previous manager [Moyes] who had a relationship over 11 years. A lot of things have been said in public and I don't want to be part of that. I'm out of it. But I have never had any instruction that anything has changed."