Gibson and Oviedo complete Sunderland moves

Monday 30 January 2017  269 Comments  [Jump to last]

Updated Everton have offloaded Darron Gibson and Bryan Oviedo to Sunderland, reportedly for a combined fee of £7.5m.

Sunderland boss David Moyes has targeted the pair whom he signed when he was manager at Goodison Park and both players were set to undergo medicals with Sunderland today.

Both transfers are permanent moves as opposed to loans and they would offer both players the chance of first-team football with the Black Cats as they battle to avoid relegation this season.

Sunderland have recently sold Patrick van Arnhoult to Crystal Palace and are in the market for a new left back while Gibson is presumably being eyed to bolster Moyes's midfield options.

The Irishman hasn't featured for the Blues at competitive level all season, however, while Oviedo has had to settle for duty on the substitutes' bench since Leighton Baines returned to fitness last October.

Koeman revealed that he changed his mind about letting Oviedo go after a discussion with the player whose desire for more regular football struck a chord with the Dutchman.

He told the media at his press conference today that it was a "football decision" for the player to allow the Costa Rican to explore a switch to the Stadium of Light.  

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Kieran Fitzgerald
1 Posted 30/01/2017 at 07:01:59
Sunderland don't have a huge amount of money to spend. I can see them trying to stretch the Von Aarnoult fee. Ask for a nominal fee for Gibson, £2-3m for Oveido and get them off the books. Ask for £1-2 million for Kone and send him off as well. With Anichibe injured, they need a striker.
Paul Setter
2 Posted 30/01/2017 at 07:11:12
Good good! More Moyes muck leaving. Just need to get Kone, Jags and the crab McCarthy out the door soon and this would have been a decent window.
Chris Perry
3 Posted 30/01/2017 at 07:11:47
Good to see if true. Get these free riders off our books and get their negative body language away from the first team squad. Add Barry and Jagielka, Kone as well and Finch Farm will be a better place.
Lyndon Lloyd
4 Posted 30/01/2017 at 07:14:53
Fail to see how Oviedo can be grouped in as a "free rider". He's given nothing but 100% for Everton but wasn't quite at the level we've needed, particularly since his leg break.

He was very happy with us and loved the club so I, for one, wish him all the best if this move does pan out for him. He will, at least, get a lot of game time it seems.

Craig Fletcher
5 Posted 30/01/2017 at 07:20:02
Calling Oviedo a "free rider" Chris is unfair, his double leg break at the start of 2014 effectively derailed what was at that point a promising Everton career, and he's never really been the same player since.

It's likely he wouldn't have been good enough to command more than a left back back-up role even when Bainesy retires.

Best of luck to Bryan at his next club, he was an honest performer for Everton, if not good enough over the past twelve months. Gibson, on the other hand, can just do one.

Kunal Desai
6 Posted 30/01/2017 at 07:20:21
I agree with Lyndon. Oviedo has always given 100% whenever he's been called upon. Good luck to him. Hope he gets a run of games and stays injury free. It's the likes of Kone and Gibson that really do need moving on.

At least one way or another, Kone won't be here next season as he'll be released on a free.

Craig Fletcher
7 Posted 30/01/2017 at 07:21:28
Haha, beat me to it Lyndon re the sentiments on Bryan.
David Price
8 Posted 30/01/2017 at 07:23:59
Oviedo a free rider!!! Whoever you are who wrote that hasn't a clue about football. The lad has given his all to the club and played well up until his leg break; he has been desperate to return.

Gibson and Kone need to go as they have no future with the club but Bryan deserves support and good wishes if he chooses to leave. Loan him out – he could be useful to us, unlike the others.

Phil Sammon
9 Posted 30/01/2017 at 07:24:24
I'm not against selling Oviedo, but I think it's very unfair of some fans to go slagging the lad off. He's given 100% for Everton and has, I believe, a real affinity for the club.

Still, if fans are happy to have a go at Jagielka and Barry then I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at Oviedo receiving some grief.

John Mckay
10 Posted 30/01/2017 at 07:32:14
Moyes the messiah! Getting rid of our dead wood! He wasn't lying when he said he had a good relationship with Bill Kenwright! – A Kenwright master stroke right there!

Oviedo a free rider? Please! Not his fault, he has given everything for our club, always has a good attitude, I'll be sad to see him go, all the best to him.

Will Mabon
11 Posted 30/01/2017 at 07:33:04
The worst of these players variously are/have been better than the infantile dismissive tone with which some describe them. It's pathetic frankly, and likely indicative of the type that never played the game beyond infant school playground level.
Jakob Herd
12 Posted 30/01/2017 at 07:38:20
Jeez Chris, Oviedo, Jagielka and Barry have given all they can to the club. Jags for many years has been a solid rock at Everton – glad the people in charge at our club think a bit different than you.

Time for Gibson though – but I'll be sorry to see Oviedo go, he puts his heart and soul in.

Tony Abrahams
13 Posted 30/01/2017 at 07:42:31
I'm glad people have got in before me because calling Bryan Oviedo that is such a bad shout. I agree he looks a bit short for what we need right now, but Oviedo has been nothing short of inspirational the way he fought back from such a dreadful injury, at a time when he was looking like a really good footballer.

He looks a little bit short at the minute but I would wish him well and would say to Sunderland fans to give him a chance simply because he's got the heart of a lion which is what a team needs when they are fighting relegation. If he goes, I'm sure most Evertonians would hope he does well.

Liam Reilly
14 Posted 30/01/2017 at 07:54:32
Definitely in the minority here but for me Kone was also unlucky getting a nasty injury before he had any chance to shine.

When he did play, I thought the lad did OK, but lost some pace which was a huge part of his game.

Gareth Clark
15 Posted 30/01/2017 at 07:56:57
Oviedo is not bad – and I think we need a back up LB/LWB before we let him go – I'm not sure who could be backup at the moment, other than Garbutt (who I was very impressed with back when he played).

I'd like to see Jordan Lukaku come in to be honest. Great left foot on him & would be great to have the Lukaku brothers at Everton.

Other than that, I think Robbie Brady would be a great signing! Not the most glamorous, but gets the job done!

Also possible to offer Norwich Oviedo in exchange for Brady.

If I was Oviedo, I'd rather go to Norwich & try gain promotion, than go to a struggling Sunderland who are in big turmoil... not a great environment.

Gibson & Kone NEED to go though!

I'm not very excited for Deadline day, but I'd like to see us bring in:


CB: L Kone or Mbodji (played very well at AFCON)... if not, wait until the Summer & get Keane (Burnley) or Gibson (Middlesbrough).

Also would like to get Adarabioyo from city for our U23s!

LB/LWB: J Lukaku or Brady

Attacker: Helder Costa looks a very good player, ripped the red shite apart! Plus could be for a decent price too. (Can play across the front three).

Also the Caio Emerson for the U23s (the Brazilian striker.

In the summer we need:

GK: Butland (form from last season - if he recovers) or Heaton is an option. Other than that, I'm not too sure... I'll leave it up to Walsh & his team. ;)

I don't think Robles or Stekelenburg are real first choices to be honest – they both do a decent job though.

Attacker: Sigurdsson is a must for me in the summer! Great player, great attitude, at 27 years old, he's the perfect age & so much Premier League experience.

I'd be very very happy with that!

Ambitious yes, let me dream! :D

Jim Bennings
16 Posted 30/01/2017 at 08:19:58
A very good move for these players seeing as they won't figure again at Everton.

Good luck to Oviedo who scored one of my favourite goals and one of our most important for various reasons at Old Trafford (he nearly repeated It the following season at United with a stunning stoppage time volley but for a worldie of a save by De Gea).

Sadly injuries and just not really being the required quality have seen his game time limited, but I wish him all the best, seems like a good honest pro.

Gibson on the other hand should have been moved on the minute Martinez came through the door in 2013, the guy has offered nothing for 4 years and how we kept him on after that drink driving incident was unbelievable really.

Not been worth the contract the club have pissed away the money on these past 3/4 years.

Sam Morrison
17 Posted 30/01/2017 at 08:21:08
Depresses me when the same fans who bemoan the lack of loyalty from players will happily talk about offloading them without a shred of empathy or thanks.

Jags in particular has been a rock over the majority of his ten years with us, and deserves better than the type of shitty comments that are surfacing on every transfer thread. Oviedo always put in a shift too.

Even Gibson – made some idiotic decisions in his personal life, clearly, but I was thankful to see him on the pitch when he was fit enough – the only player capable of a bloody forward pass at times under Martinez.

Robert Leigh
18 Posted 30/01/2017 at 08:24:35
The Gibson move makes sense, though I think they'll loan him in case he gets injured again. Like many say, there's a good player in there but we don't see it enough. Oviedo would suit them now and if they stay up/go down I see that being permanent.

With regards to cover if Oviedo goes, given the new system of 3 at the back I would think Koeman would be happy with Garbutt there as well as young Robinson; playing LWB gives you more cover so less pressure on a young man, especially if we have a midfield of Davies, Gana & Schneiderlin to cover any gaps.

Ian Jones
19 Posted 30/01/2017 at 08:27:10
Oviedo also played a few games out of position at right back when needed –although he wasn't great there! Didn't seem to moan about it much. Solid pro. Should do well wherever he ends up. Gibson is also a useful player when fit... plenty of experience although not much match practice.

John G Davies
20 Posted 30/01/2017 at 08:28:53
Oviedo has been great for us. A good player who was unlucky with injuries.

I remember him walking down the train after a London away game. He stopped at every table of Blues that spotted him. Photos, a chat – nothing was too much trouble.

I hope it works out for him.

John Malone
21 Posted 30/01/2017 at 08:34:56
I actually thought Oviedo played a massive part and was one of our better players in Martinez's first year after Baines injured his toe in the derby!

I can remember a tight home game against Stoke were he came inside on his right foot hit the bottom corner to break the deadlock, and his winner against Man United away!

I actually started to think he performed better going forward than Baines in Martinez's system as he could beat a man had a good left foot and could use his right if needed!

Good luck Bryan! Oviedo baby!!

Nigel Gregson
22 Posted 30/01/2017 at 08:43:35
We should thank them for their contributions, but it's time for them to go. They were bought in when we were bargain shopping at Poundland until Moshiri came along. We've now moved to Coles and can afford better.
Andrew Clare
23 Posted 30/01/2017 at 08:44:15
Oviedo is a class player and I am sad it hasn't worked out for him. Never the same after the leg break. I wish him well.

John Audsley
24 Posted 30/01/2017 at 08:46:20
Free riders and negative body language... bollocks!

What's Oviedo ever done to warrant that attack?

Shane Corcoran
25 Posted 30/01/2017 at 08:47:22
Yeah get Jags and Barry out. Freeloaders.

Apart from the above been utter bullshit, what would happen if Williams got injured? I suppose we could drop that old lad in midfield back to centre-back... what's his name?

Steve Hogan
26 Posted 30/01/2017 at 08:48:27
How sad to see the vitriol from our own fans directed towards the likes of our current club captain Jagielka and Brian Oviedo.

Both only ever gave 100% for the cause. Those concerned should hang their heads in shame.

Paul Mackie
27 Posted 30/01/2017 at 08:55:41
Hope this is true, as Oviedo isn't going to get a chance under Koeman and the lad deserves to be playing. He was great in Martinez's first season and then was bizarrely played at RB on his return from a double leg break. Good luck to him.

Gibson however can fuck right off. Never fit and a drink driver. It's an absolute joke that we extended his contract.

Dermot Byrne
28 Posted 30/01/2017 at 08:56:05
Paul Setter and Chris Perry – I occasionally write utter crap on this site that I am later utterly ashamed of. You have my sympathy!
Mike Berry
29 Posted 30/01/2017 at 08:56:25
These are very good players, let's not forget, but their problems have been their injuries that they have sustained during their career.

I am please they are having a chance to continue their career elsewhere; not quite good enough for us any longer.

Jon Withey
30 Posted 30/01/2017 at 08:56:48
Not smart to sell Jagielka in January.

We are to need a backup left back though - can we recall Galloway from West Brom?

Andy Wheeler
31 Posted 30/01/2017 at 08:59:34
Shame to see Oviedo go, a horrific leg break stopped him becoming Baines's successor, in my opinion.

Gibson was a strange buy, showed glimpses of what he can do at the early part of his Everton career, but unfortunately too many injuries means he should be free to seek pastures new.

Good luck to both. Let's get some better quality, either from the U23s or a loan until the end of the season to replace.

One thing is for sure, if Koeman does sanction the transfers, he must have faith in the depth we have with the youngsters.

Exciting times ahead.

Tony Waring
33 Posted 30/01/2017 at 09:05:18
Good to know that some folks have never driven a car after having a pint or two! Will at 11 – you say it all.
Keith Monaghan
34 Posted 30/01/2017 at 09:10:10
Comments such as those by Chris Perry at 3 are an utter disgrace, show a lack of decency never mind knowledge of football, and reflect badly on our club & fans. We're all entitled to our opinions, but Chris's was so ridiculous it beggars belief.

Although they are all very well paid, Oviedo has no way been a free-loader, Jags has been a very good servant to the club and Gareth Barry has been outstanding in his 3+ seasons with us.

I never rated Gibson but think the error was the club's – he should never have been signed. Man Utd fans were laughing their socks off 'cos his injury record at Old Trafford was shocking; Kone was a decent player for Wigan whose time with us was dominated by his unfortunate serious knee injury.

Chris James
35 Posted 30/01/2017 at 09:15:06
Gibson we just need to get off the payroll – I remain astonished that we gave him a contract extension, previous agreement or no.

RE: Oviedo, it's a real shame. When he broke onto the scene he looked like a great alternative to Baines, always head up, pushing forward and started smashing in goals. Since the injury and set-backs he's just not been the same player and also the club has changed around him.

I'd love to see him playing regularly and think he could do a job for Moyes as part of his apparent plan to 'get the band back together'.

Simon Jones
36 Posted 30/01/2017 at 09:18:16
I wish some of you who write dismissively about our players wouldn't bother, or at least stop and think before you do. Oviedo was boss for us in terms of attitude and commitment. The fact he WANTS to play and means he has to go to another team does not make him a useless wanker who needs a lift to Sunderland asap.

He was so unlucky with injury and it's not his fault the team and management has changed while he was unavailable. I wouldn't be surprised to see him be fantastic somewhere else while some of us carry on talking about his limitations.

Sam Hoare
37 Posted 30/01/2017 at 09:18:19
As stated by the vast majority, Oviedo was/is a very good player who has been unfortunate with injuries but has always given 100% and not let anyone down.

I'm not sure we can afford to lose him to be honest as we don't have many options at left back/wing back especially as WBA won't let Galloway return from loan despite not playing him! Connolly is also on loan and Gethin Jones which leaves either Funes Mori playing out of position or someone like Antonee Robinson from the academy. Unless we are bringing someone in...

Gibson can definitely go and I think Kone too as Valencia and possibly Dominic Calvert-Lewin are both ahead of him.

Who is coming in? I expected us to be a little bit busier to be honest but perhaps the right players simply have not been available. Kenwright loves a last minute deal so perhaps they have something spicy up their sleeves

Chris Perry
38 Posted 30/01/2017 at 09:23:43
Guys, no intention to offend, but people need to take of their rose-tinted (or blue-tinted glasses ). It will be better without these players.

Anthony Dwyer
39 Posted 30/01/2017 at 09:24:34
Can anyone at all see Gibson passing a medical? I honestly can't see either player passing medicals if I'm honest!!!

If they do, we have done well to free up wages; if we get a fee we have absolutely smashed it.

Let's hope they go, and keep Moyes and Sunderland in the Premier League.

Kenny Smith
40 Posted 30/01/2017 at 09:30:08
This can only be good for all parties. Oviedo gives everything and, to be fair, Gibson, when he's played, has shown he has / had the ability but, in all honesty, neither is good enough to get in this team now.

Colin Glassar
41 Posted 30/01/2017 at 09:32:57
Good luck, Bryan. Some of the negative comments towards him, Jags and Barry have been downright disgraceful.
Vin McFarlane
42 Posted 30/01/2017 at 09:33:00
Like Sam, I don't think we can afford to let Bryan go at this time. What happens if Baines gets injured again? Oviedo is the only "like for like" replacement we have and, like Baines, he's an excellent footballer. If he goes, it's a case of square pegs in round holes...

Gibson should never have been given a contract in the Summer.

Anthony Dwyer
43 Posted 30/01/2017 at 09:37:36
I must say, I can't understand all the backing some fans give Gibson and Oviedo: the simple fact is they aren't good enough.

Blame injury, blame the manager, blame it on the sunshine if you like, but the fact remains we have better options.

If Gibson moves on then maybe his 3-4 games he gets may be given to Liam Walsh.

Oviedo is a bit better, plus we don't seem to have as much cover at left back as Garbutt and Galloway are both out on loan, but what's to say Ron doesn't rate Matty Foulds or Antonee Robinson ?

Having squad players can be beneficial at times, but the last thing we need is average players blocking the path of our young lads.

If Foulds or Robinson get a little run out here and there it will set them up nicely for a loan deal next year, then we can bring back Garbutt and Galloway and see what experience they've gained.

Also there's the option of Ron buying his own left back, Baines isn't getting any younger, and Ron may rate none of our young left backs.

James Morgan
44 Posted 30/01/2017 at 09:43:06
I wish both these lads all the best, it's not their fault they've had terrible luck with injuries. Koeman certainly seems to be "trimming the fat" so to speak, ie, players he doesn't think can contribute to his vision.

Gibson, Oviedo, Cleverley, Niasse and hopefully Kone off the wage bill should free up a decent amount of cash to invest in a couple of fresh faces. Plus the few quid saved releasing Pienaar and Osman in the summer.

Jagielka can stay till the end of the season or until we find a replacement in my opinion, he's been a great servant and deserves at least that much.

Don Alexander
45 Posted 30/01/2017 at 09:46:46
Brian Oviedo is a professional to his core and earns total respect accordingly. The critical comments re Jags and GazBaz are beneath contempt.

Gibson leaving would be welcome but I'll be gutted if once again we fall short of what Moshiri ordered after the poor Summer window. We need to add at least two more quality players now, one in advanced midfield and the other in attack.

For those who haven't noticed the defence is doing well, and with more threat going forward opponents will be unable to pressure them even to the extent they do now.

Sandra Bowen
46 Posted 30/01/2017 at 09:48:52
I'm rather enjoying this current cull. Must be one or two coming in... the squad must be looking a bit light on the training ground.
Craig Walker
47 Posted 30/01/2017 at 09:50:48
I'd like to thank Oviedo for one of the best moments I've had as an Evertonian. Winning at Old Trafford for the first time in 20 odd years was truly memorable.

I genuinely thought Martinez would bring the good times back. It was good while it lasted. We should have got rid of Gibson after his drunk driving. I've no time for the guy.

Dennis Stevens
48 Posted 30/01/2017 at 09:53:12
If these senior professionals are being allowed to leave, I hope it's an indication that Koeman feels there are further additions to be made to the first team squad from the ranks of Unsworths U23s.
Gavin Johnson
49 Posted 30/01/2017 at 09:58:58
Thanks Davie lad ;)
Peter Barry
50 Posted 30/01/2017 at 10:09:49
I hear Sunderland's away strip is Royal Blue and White.
Tim Kells
51 Posted 30/01/2017 at 10:11:23
Craig - 47. Spot on.
Kevin Tully
52 Posted 30/01/2017 at 10:13:02
So there was a method in the madness to giving Gibson a contract extension after all. Why any club would pay good money for him though is quite staggering. Unfortunately for the player, he is one of the most injury prone footballers around.

Hasn't Moyes just received 㾺m for a player? Maybe Jagielka will make it a treble by tomorrow night? The Sunderland manager will look very foolish if they are relegated after signing a full first team of his ex-players (if you include the three from Man Utd)

If he pulls it off and stays in the Premier League, he will be lauded as a genius, even though he spent over 㿊m in the summer and Sunderland have been in the Premier League for the past 10 years.

You've got to hand it to Mr. Moyes, he can enhance his reputation by lowering expectations to such a level, you would think he was playing with 8 men every week. He missed his calling, a fine spin doctor in the making is our Davey.

Tom Magill
53 Posted 30/01/2017 at 10:16:39
I have to agree with the majority of posters who are thanking Oviedo for his 100% commitment he's shown in his time with us; all the best at Sunderland, Bryan.

Regarding Gibson, I don't understand why he's still at the club; he should've been away at least 4 years ago.

Also, if Jags goes, I want to thank him for his brilliant contributions to Everton over the last 10 plus years, he deserves a lot of credit for his efforts; please stop slagging this stalwart off.

Eddie Dunn
54 Posted 30/01/2017 at 10:18:06
Oviedo has always tried his best and was looking so promising when he had that awful injury. I hope he goes on to have a decent career.

Gibson is not the same lad who was smashing those 30-yarders in for the Mancs. A tidy player, but injury prone.

It will be interesting watching Sunderland (EFC Old Boys), you have to feel for their fans... would you want to pin your survival hopes on that squad?

Dave Williams
55 Posted 30/01/2017 at 10:25:13
Good to move Gibson on if he passes the medical and, much as I love Bryan I can't argue with Ron's reasoning if he doesn't see him as a first team player but shame on anyone accusing Bryan, Jags or Barry as a freeloader. We are all entitled to our opinion but that particular one has absolutely no foundation at all and is so wide of the mark.

Gold luck to Bryan and nothing would please me more than to see things work out for him. Class bloke!

Peter Morris
56 Posted 30/01/2017 at 10:31:04
If I was planning a backs to the wall dogfight to avoid relegation, I don't think I'd be looking to recruit Darron Gibson to the struggle, that's for sure! He'd be spending his time sitting in the dugout urging his team mates on.

Bryan Oviedo, on the other hand, is always a character who is an honest worker, and he will be a good recruit for Sunderland, seeing as they look like losing Van Aarnholt. Good luck, Bryan.

Colin Glassar
57 Posted 30/01/2017 at 10:31:56
Now the question is, will they be replaced? As usual, were leaving it late.
Jim Jennings
58 Posted 30/01/2017 at 10:48:01

Not sure Gibson needs to be replaced. He has contributed nothing this season. Funes Mori can cover left back til end of season.

Chris Williams
59 Posted 30/01/2017 at 10:50:11
There's been some talk about bringing Galloway back from WBA, possibly as cover at left back
Marc Carran
60 Posted 30/01/2017 at 10:57:06
I'm not sure why people are saying that Oviedo hasn't been the same since his injury. Of course he hasn't... he hasn't even played!

I just hope he re-starts his career off somewhere else and even if Sunderland get relegated, I hope his career takes off and he finds a good club.

Colin Glassar
61 Posted 30/01/2017 at 10:58:21
Jim, it frees up wages and there's a few extra million in the bank. I'm just really concerned there's no decent cover for Lukaku.

Lots of rumours linking us to Ashley Young. I hope we keep well clear of this diving cheat.

Anthony Dwyer
62 Posted 30/01/2017 at 11:00:25
Agreed Colin, Young would be a backwards step, would much rather kept Geri.

If Young has to come then I'd like to see Lennon gone, don't want too many similar players who aren't good enough.

John Hammond
63 Posted 30/01/2017 at 11:02:20
Good luck to both of them! I'll never forget Oviedo's winner at Man Utd! I really hope we've got some backups lined up though. Perfect time to recall Galloway??
Brian Hennessy
64 Posted 30/01/2017 at 11:03:06
If Gibson moves, I would say there are 3 or 4 of our medical staff fearing for their jobs. Maybe Moyes will step in and take them too – he's going to need them with our Darron.
Dave Pritchard
65 Posted 30/01/2017 at 11:06:55
Reports on BBC radio this morning said it was loans rather than permanent deals.
Mike Powell
66 Posted 30/01/2017 at 11:06:56
Good luck to the pair of them. Gibson should've been sold a while ago. Oviedo gave it a go when he had the chance but was just not good enough... but good luck to the lad. Well in to Ronnie for getting these players off the wage bill.
Mark Hughes
67 Posted 30/01/2017 at 11:17:19
Oviedo could have been an Everton Great. And possibly still could be!
Colin Glassar
68 Posted 30/01/2017 at 11:18:37
Dave, most reports say £4m for Oviedo and a nominal fee (£1.5m?) for Gibson. Sky are reporting it as sales not loans.

I just saw a journo outside Finch Farm. No sign of the USM logo to be seen anywhere.

Trevor Lynes
69 Posted 30/01/2017 at 11:21:16
Gibson has been a drain but not Oviedo.The other players to be emptied out should include McGeadie and Niasse.Kone should be allowed to go too as he was signed too late IMO.

Jagielka is worth at least the same money as Fonte (£8 million) and EFC should hold out for that.Barry cost nowt so could go for a smaller fee.Oviedo must be worth £5 million at least as he has been decent cover and would be further up the pecking order than Galloway or Garbutt who must be pretty poor if they cannot get games for lesser clubs.

IMO the transfer window is closing too soon for us.We have no cover for Lukaku as I cannot count Valencia being good enough and he is with us only until the seasons end.We still need cover at right back and with Oviedo leaving we need a left back too.We still need a big commanding Centre Back and Maguire or Van Dyk would fit the bill.A decent play maker would elevate us into the top six IMO.So far we have signed just one of proven quality.Lookman may or may not make the grade.Anton is for the under 23's.We are now linked with those leaving the club and I reckon that we are attempting to turn yet another window into a profitable one.

James Macdonald
70 Posted 30/01/2017 at 11:21:51
Not sure what the fees are but presuming very modest so that will prove great business for Sunderland if Gibson can stay fit.

Gibson out is also good news for Everton as he has become deadwood but losing Oviedo does not seem clever at all as he is only 26 and in my view quite close to Baines (2017 version, so not in his prime) in both technique and quality.

Jim Bennings
71 Posted 30/01/2017 at 11:33:59
If we move on Oviedo and Gibson, maybe Jagielka (great servant yes but no doubt long past it). Add that we've shifted Deulofeu, Cleverley and Niasse on loan we could do with bringing in some cover before tomorrow's window close... Maybe a couple of Premier League-proven short-term fixes until the summer when we could spend big bucks again.

Andrew Clare
72 Posted 30/01/2017 at 11:39:37
I cannot see any benefit in signing Ashley Young. We want upcoming young players – not has-beens.
Daniel O'Brien
73 Posted 30/01/2017 at 11:40:31
Ladies and Gents,

Sunderland have two players on loan already and cannot loan anymore players from other Premier League clubs. Therefore, unless they terminate the loans of Januzaj or Denayer on loan from Man Utd and Man City, then these will be full transfers.

You may recall we had a similar issue with Barry and Rom, we could though loan Geri as he wasn't from the Premier League.

Dave Pritchard
74 Posted 30/01/2017 at 11:44:57
I'd be happy with those fees Colin if they come off, especially £1.5M for Gibson which would be daylight robbery based on his appearance record.
Gary Edwards
75 Posted 30/01/2017 at 11:51:29
Vaarwel and best wishes, fellas.
Matthew Williams
76 Posted 30/01/2017 at 11:52:24
We need a Striker in now!.

As for defensive players, Friend from Boro and Mee from Burnley would suit us fine. I'm still hoping we can get the lad Gray from Leicester too at some point.

A UK core to our team of mainly young players could make us a unique team in the Premier League and make us look a great prospect for all young players looking for a chance to break through.

If you're good enough and have the right attitude, you will prosper at this great club!

Steve Ferns
77 Posted 30/01/2017 at 11:52:32
I think the real Everton fans here have been absolutely unanimous. Oviedo gave his all for the club, and we still stand by him and hope and pray he returns to his best. That hope is all but gone, so if Oviedo goes, he goes with our thanks and with our best wishes, and whenever he comes back to Goodison he will get a standing ovation.

Jagielka is the club captain. There have been few better captains off the pitch. He has never put a foot wrong in that regard and does his duties well and is the standard to which the next captain must match.

On the pitch he's faded with his pace. He always made mistakes, but that electric pace always got him out of jail and made for some great clips on Match of the Day. I never really realised how fast he was until I saw that article in the Daily Mail (online – I wouldn't buy that muck) declaring him the fastest player in the league! He will also get a great reception on his return.

As for Gibson, I personally think he was lucky to get such a soft sentence off the courts, and should have been charged with much more. Regardless, I would have been sacked from my job, and I don't see why Gibson wasn't; I was flabbergasted when they handed him an extension. It made no sense at all.

But let's not rewrite history. There is a player there. He's got that booming shot, great passing, great vision, good composure and if you can keep him fit he's better than what Sunderland have. However, he's never been good for even half the games in a season.

I doubt he would get a good reception on his return, but he shouldn't be booed, as I think he gave his all on the pitch, and off it, we all make mistakes. I just think from a business point of view, Everton made a mistake in not getting rid of him, and a bigger one in renewing his contract. He did nothing wrong in signing the contract so you can't blame the lad.

Daniel O'Brien
78 Posted 30/01/2017 at 12:07:12
Only two loans allowed from any other Premier League teams per season. Sunderland have two lads already on loan so these deals will be longer term.
Andrew Ellams
79 Posted 30/01/2017 at 12:11:29
Interesting to see these two get through a medical. But good luck to them if they do. Sunderland are at Goodison on 25 February so maybe they can get some fan recognition then.
Martin Nicholls
80 Posted 30/01/2017 at 12:13:28
I like Sunderland and hope they stay up but can't help thinking back to that watershed moment in May when they beat us to stay up. BFS was wallowing in his "success" and he, along with Niall Quinn and the Sky pundits were confidently/arrogantly telling us that a European challenge was a near certainty this season.

As for the players under discussion in this thread, I agree with Keith (#34) on all of them, including the much maligned Kone, for whom I had high hopes when we signed him.

Garry Corgan
81 Posted 30/01/2017 at 12:20:34
Tony (#33) – They've probably never mounted the kerb at a petrol station, hit a group of cyclists and then driven off.
Tim Sharpe
82 Posted 30/01/2017 at 12:21:37
I liked Oviedo, seems like a good guy, decent player. Doubly unlucky to be behind one of the best left-backs in the Premier League, and with his injuries.

Gibson, scored on his debut (?) and a couple of decent games, but I feel like he is a guest star in a TV series. Talented, no doubt but physically not durable enough.

Good luck to the pair of them, except when we play Sunderland...

Brian Wilkinson
83 Posted 30/01/2017 at 12:24:11
Jagielka has been a brilliant servent to our club, strange how some can call for his head, yet slated our club when we let Hibbert go.

Jagielka himself knows he's lost his pace and timing, I hope he gets one last pay-day, he deserves it.

Ste Traverse
85 Posted 30/01/2017 at 12:46:17
Got to agree with the criticisms of the classless comments towards players who have been great servants to this club.

Yet, bizzarely, that beaut Baxter seems to have been welcomed back by many of the same fans.

I'll be sad to see Oviedo go, but Gibson needs to be moved on. He's done well when he actually gets on the pitch, but that is a rare occurrence.

As for Moyes, the self-styled 'Champions League level manager' has totally lost all confidence if all he can do is acquire players he's already managed.

I've nothing against Sunderland, but after his 'moving on to bigger things' comment after he left us I'd love to see him relegated come May.

Dave Older
86 Posted 30/01/2017 at 12:46:44
Hope this is true. Oviedo has been unlucky with injuries but he deserves a first team spot somewhere else.

As for Gibbo, a good player when fit, but he never is, so he has my blessing to go ASAP!!!!

Jagielka will surely go, he is only going to sit on the bench for us now. He has been a great servant but his time at Goodison is up methinks.

Lennon can go too and so can Kone. The question is will Koeman get any replacements in or will he rely on our youth system?? Interesting times ahead....

Eugene Ruane
87 Posted 30/01/2017 at 12:48:03
On Gibson/Oviedo, tweet I saw this morning from (I presume) a Sunderland supporter - "If we get these two in today, it only leaves us 24 hrs to find two more physios"
Russell Smith
88 Posted 30/01/2017 at 12:49:11
Koeman is just clearing out those who have only been fringe players for over 12 months. Kone, Oviedo, Cleverley, Gibson (who was never fit rather than overlooked). He has already replaced most of these with Lookman, Schneiderlin, Davies, and Holgate.

In my opinion these players are all better (or have the potential to be better) than those they have replaced. Niasse never featured but has been replaced temporarily by Valencia in any case.

I do not think Jagielka will be sold in this window unless we have a replacement lined up. Koeman will use Lennon as a wing back should Baines be injured, playing 3-5-2. It may also be why he is possibly looking at Ashley Young, again as a wing back cover, and at 31 he would be a good "bencher" who would not seriously hinder a younger player coming through over the next couple of seasons, but would provide a good short term buy.

With the younger players from the U23s now pushing harder for inclusion in the first team squad, I do not think we should rush into any last minute panic buys. If all the above are moved on then the "squad" looks far more balanced now than it has for some time, is a good mix of experience and youth, and in my opinion is much stronger.

Mike Mulhall
89 Posted 30/01/2017 at 12:55:15
Might put a bet on Moyes being sacked after game at Goodison on the 25th.
Colin Glassar
90 Posted 30/01/2017 at 13:05:39
I think Gibson (Sunderland owner) knew they were doomed this season, Mike, and hired Ginger with that in mind. Gibson will want him to do a Newcastle job like the FSW is doing, ie, rebuild and get them back in the Premier League with a leaner, stronger team.

Sunderland are a big club but have been shit since Reidy left years ago.

Steve Brown
91 Posted 30/01/2017 at 13:07:03
I don't think any player sets out to be injured, but Everton have previous in signing decent but injury-prone players cheaply and thinking we can somehow defeat medical science. I can't think of one instance of it working out.

By the way, bang out of order to denigrate Gibson or Oviedo for drawing a salary despite injury difficulties. Do any of us respectfully decline paid medical leave if we feel we have been off a few times too many?

David Morgan
92 Posted 30/01/2017 at 13:08:37
Oviedo is totally crap!!! I have said that for ages. He is slow, weak, can't really pass, has no positional sense, can't head and definitely can't mark.

Yeah he tries and has been unfortunate but he blocked Garbutt and Galloway from progressing and is a liability when he plays. It's no mystery that when Baines plays we hardly lose and when Oviedo comes in we hardly win.

The fans are showing loyalty to him over McCarthy is crazy in my eyes. If Sunderland could only take one, I would keep Gibson, he is that bad. From what I have read this morning the Sunderland fans don't even want him. The fans need to change their mentality like the owners.

It's taking a while for the people who comment on here to see if we want to achieve trophies, top four or more. We need top 4 players, It's not Chelsea or Man City taking him, it's a relegation side... which is what we were last year with the likes of him in our side. This post has been quite harsh on him, it wasn't just him, its just most of the others have gone.

Well played, Koeman, the board and Moyes. Now for the Everton fans to start thinking bigger!

Steve Brown
94 Posted 30/01/2017 at 13:14:49
Colin, Ellis Short has owned Sunderland since 2008. In that time, he has gone through Roy Keane, Steve Bruce, Martin O'Neill, Di Canio, Poyet, Advocaat and Allardyce. That is why they are a total mess and Moyes's coat is on a shaky peg.
Gordon Crawford
95 Posted 30/01/2017 at 13:30:32
If they leave then I wish them all the best. :)
Karl Meighan
96 Posted 30/01/2017 at 13:30:38
Gibson and Oviedo seem to be no longer required so letting them go is best for all concerned. At times both did well and I don't think anyone ever expected them to turn us into top 4 contenders. If they can find a Club that offers game time good luck to them.

As for Jageilka, he's up there with Tim Cahill imo and it will be sad to see him go, if indeed it happens. Barry still offers a lot; yes, he may not be someone who can last matches but from the bench or even to pass on experience to the youngsters, he still has qualities that the Club can use.

Dave Pritchard
97 Posted 30/01/2017 at 13:35:33
The Gibson Colin refers to is (or at least was) the Chairman of Middlesbrough. They're probably owned by a Thai, a Chinese or an American now.
Colin Glassar
98 Posted 30/01/2017 at 13:37:33
My bad, Steve, I obviously got him mixed up with the Middlesbrough owner.

I still think they will keep him to clear out the garbage (including all the former Everton players) and start from scratch. They will get something like 㿼m in parachute payments which will help them in the Championship.

Geoff Williams
100 Posted 30/01/2017 at 13:42:43
Under the current structure, I just don't understand how a player recovering from an injury and particularly a serious long-term injury, gets match fit. A player can do all the rehabilitation necessary to be be fit but not have the necessary game time to sharpen his reactions.

The Under-23 set is a flawed concept because of its restriction on over-aged players. Everton have a number of senior players, some recovering from injury, who need regular games to ensure they're not off the pace when they get the chance of 1st team football.

Why are people surprised when the likes of Oviedo, Jagielka, Deulofeu are off the pace? Baines has taken months to regain his form and sharpness.

There's a need to return to genuine reserve teams and reserve leagues such as the defunct Central League and Football Combination. It would also be a step up in development for the Under-21s and provide the youngsters with an opportunity to play against seasoned professionals in competitive games.

Denis Richardson
101 Posted 30/01/2017 at 13:50:32
This Moyes trying to get back in our good books?

Sorry for Oviedo, thought he'd make it but he gave it a good go at least. Gibson should never have gotten a 5-year deal in the first place. Never mind another extension. Good riddance if we can off-load him.

If Moyes could also take Jags, he'll have almost completed the set.

We should chuck in a cheeky bid for Defoe.

John Pierce
102 Posted 30/01/2017 at 14:06:41
Wow! If Everton do manage to offload both this will be an additional sign of progress.

At the top of window, I wanted to see transfers in obviously but conducted well and efficiently.

The outs were a major concern could we move players who were done at Everton?

If both leave today then it says a lot. To ice the cake, McCarthy out and two in.

The key element is the wages, and the breathing space around FFP it gives us to upgrade the team.

Kone has six months left, so that would take care of itself I guess, McGeady likewise at Preston?

Jags quite honestly is in the same boat. Then comes the harder upgrades.

Robles, Baines, Funes Mori, Barry and Mirallas need to be replaced.

Can we spring a surprise tomorrow?

John Pierce
103 Posted 30/01/2017 at 14:12:43
Looks like Roberton at Hull is off to Burnley as the fire sale continues at the KCOM.

A player given today's potential sale would a useful addition. Definitely a decent player, made for a wing back position. Good crosser and passer. But like most not anywhere near as good defending despite their job title.

Carl Taylor
104 Posted 30/01/2017 at 14:22:29
I have to admit to a good deal of disappointment in some of the comments on this thread about the likes of Barry, Jagielka and McCarthy.

If Barry can stay on in some role with this club, all the better. His experience and football sense is an invaluable asset when you have players like Davies and Dowell coming through.

Jagielka has always given his all for the club, and yes he has made mistakes, but so did Ratcliffe and Southall, or Cahill and Distin if your mind doesn't go that far back. At least he gives his all for the team and he's scored at Anfield – take note, Lukaku.

McCarthy falls into that bracket as well, and I would be happy to see him in the squad/side ahead of that liability Besic, that everyone seems to love.

Good luck to Oviedo; if he does leave, he goes with my best wishes and thanks, if for nothing else other than that evening at Old Trafford!

Steve Ferns
105 Posted 30/01/2017 at 14:24:31
I think we have a good team if we bring in a striker to push Rom, and Galloway back from WBA. That'd do me until the summer.

Longer term, I'd be looking for a better keeper, assuming Robles doesn't continue to grow into the role; a striker if we don't sign on in this window; another winger (Lookman, Mirallas, Bolasie, Lennon, Deulofeu (assuming he returns) is not enough quality); a centre back to take over from Jagielka / Williams long term.

I'll throw a name into the mix, not something I often do, but why not have a punt on Emanuel Mammana. So good he played for Argentina before he played a club game. He only went to Lyon in the summer. He's not played much for them, so it's a risk, but we need to take risks to get the top class players, and Funes Mori can tell him what a great club we are, and surely money will talk also.

Mat Smith
106 Posted 30/01/2017 at 14:26:27
John Pierce [103]

"Robles, Baines, Funes Mori, Barry and Mirallas need to be replaced."

Really? – five first team players who are actually playing pretty well at the mo... it's really that easy to replace them?

Mike Dolan
107 Posted 30/01/2017 at 14:26:44
This is a good move by all involved. Its good for Sunderland because both are good players who if fit will add a lot to their team. Its good for Everton because it creates room for some of our younger fringe players and new signings. Its good for both who at this point whose skills no longer fit our style of football.

Oviedo when given an extended chance before his horrific double leg break was the catalyst for that brief but brilliant run we had under Martinez. He was jus brilliant up until that point replacing Baines as a swashbuckling left back.

Gibson when he first arrived from United was a classic midfielder with not much speed but a brilliant range of FORWARD passing. He was unfortunately never fit and we probably got some insight to why when late one night while driving ..ehem ..all "tired and emotional" he slid his very expensive car in to tackle an innocent cyclist.

I wish both of them well and thank them for their service. They will both help Moysie and Sunderland in the short term.

Joe Digney
108 Posted 30/01/2017 at 14:28:45
Wish the best of luck to both lads,. hopefully they both play a vital part in Sunderland's fight.

John Pierce
109 Posted 30/01/2017 at 14:34:52
Mat, read again. I said.

"Then comes the harder upgrades" Those players whilst still doing okay on the wane.

Robles might buck that trend but if we are serious about the big time, a standout is required in my opinion.

Barry Jones
110 Posted 30/01/2017 at 14:34:57
Getting rid of Gibson would have a huge impact on our options ...treatment options ...
Barry Jones
111 Posted 30/01/2017 at 14:37:03
We may be able to recover the cost of over half the equipment in the treatment room...
Paul Conway
112 Posted 30/01/2017 at 14:37:53
Although I wish them well, I wouldn't be very sentimental about them leaving. They are a reminder of a stagnant era. They were brought! In to suit our budget. They suited us and we suited them.

We are hopefully turning a corner and in order to be successful, we have to be ruthless and at the same time respectful. It's a fine balance.

Chris Gould
113 Posted 30/01/2017 at 14:47:10
Koeman has said today that we have no interest in Ashley Young or bringing in another striker. Valencia is enough cover for Lukaku?!

I guess the players he wants aren't available.

Steve Ferns
114 Posted 30/01/2017 at 14:50:47
Makes you wonder what his thinking is if Lukaku gets injured. It seems to us that there is no backup. Playing Valencia or Kone would dramatically change the style of play, nevermind the dip in quality. I think a striker is essential and we should be going all out to find one.
Dan Parker
115 Posted 30/01/2017 at 14:55:07
Nice to see us moving on. Gibson looks quality when he first came but he's too riddled with injuries to ever make it near our blossoming midfield. Oviedo, ever the professional, always put a good shift in and who would forget that Man Utd goal.

The manager is right, we'll do with Baines and we have enough quality youngsters who deserve the chance if he gets injured.

Best of luck to both players.

Colin Glassar
116 Posted 30/01/2017 at 15:01:40
Good to hear Ronald tell the world that Robles is staying in goal for the foreseeable future. I still think we will go for a goalie in the summer though.
Craig Walker
117 Posted 30/01/2017 at 15:01:41
Although Groundhog day isn't until Thursday, I've got a feeling that tomorrow will seem like we've been here before. Logging onto every Everton-related website 10 times an hour to see if we're signing somebody, when I should be working. Watching Jim White and the autocuties' vain attempts to make it look exciting until past my bedtime with the ever-fading hope that we'll actually bring anyone in. It'll be a familiar outcome: nothing significantly changing.

This hasn't been too bad a January window for Everton. Schneiderlin could be good for us in the long term. Lookman looks promising. We've shipped out some deadwood in the process. We still desperately need a top quality striker, some creativity in midfield, a decent centre-half and a world class goalkeeper. I hope the recent good run hasn't papered over the cracks and that we revert back to type and put in an abysmal performance at Stoke.

Kristian Boyce
118 Posted 30/01/2017 at 15:04:24
I was expecting more incomings instead of outgoings during this window. I would normally be worried at the amount of of players leaving our already small squad but in a way, bizarrely it's made us stronger. We've freed up a huge amount in salaries and with the FFP implications, we are in a better spot.

Good luck to Oviedo, wasn't the player he was before the injury. He was hugely liked at the club and deserves to get first team football at a lower Premier League or more likely at a championship team. Hopefully there's a fee involved with Gibson, we need to get something for all the dosh he's got from us over the years.

Chris Gould
119 Posted 30/01/2017 at 15:07:05
Steve, I agree, but if the players he wants aren't available then he's right to wait until the summer. No point in buying for the sake of it. It would seem that Valencia is better than what's currently available in this window... It is disappointing though.
Chris Gould
120 Posted 30/01/2017 at 15:07:06
Steve, I agree, but if the players he wants aren't available then he's right to wait until the summer. No point in buying for the sake of it. It would seem that Valencia is better than what's currently available in this window.
Is disappointing though.
Colin Glassar
121 Posted 30/01/2017 at 15:11:48
Over the years, we've made some terrible last minute deals so I'd rather not buy anyone than buy someone else's cast-off.
David Pearl
122 Posted 30/01/2017 at 15:18:47
David Morgan. There is plenty of shit written on ToffeeWeb but your post beats the lot hands down, congratulations.
PG Malcolm
123 Posted 30/01/2017 at 15:19:18
Good luck to Bryan. Always gave a 100% and was hampered by a bad injury. I feel more will be in if two are going out.
Dave Lynch
124 Posted 30/01/2017 at 15:36:42
I might be classed as an old buffer but what does "My bad" mean?

Is it kidda street talk for "My mistake"?

If so, what the fuck is happening to the English language?

Dave Pritchard
125 Posted 30/01/2017 at 15:40:10
Medicals need to be passed before these deals go through and, with the two players' histories, it could well be that they are still with us in February and beyond.
David Ellis
126 Posted 30/01/2017 at 15:40:36
The good thing about this is the confidence Koeman has clearly developed in the youngsters. This can reduce the wage bills and allow the youngsters more game time. And a smaller squad is easier to manage and will have higher morale. Excellent news – and nothing against the departing players,

Both Gibson and Oviedo were excellent at times, we got Gibson on the cheap because of his injury record and unfortunately it didn't improve but he was our main midfield man in the last 18 months under Moyes.

Oviedo was always just cover for Baines... but failed to displace him so now its time to move on. We have several kids that can play in that position, and I think Garbutt has been overtaken as well by the likes of Galloway, Robinson and Connolly... although who leads that particular pack, I have no idea – I hope we find out soon.

Brian Williams
127 Posted 30/01/2017 at 15:40:59
Dave. It's shite talk from the US which has unfortunately made it's way into the English language like a lot of other shite talk from over there.

You're not alone!

Michael Dersch
128 Posted 30/01/2017 at 15:45:46
I would welcome the transfer of both of these players. Gibson is certainly surplus to our needs in midfield. So he needs to go and we should not be too picky about the fee. Just move him on.

I will miss Oviedo more, as I am a little concerned about our cover at left back if Baines is injured. But Bryan has not been in the plans of our current manager so I guess it is best for both the club and the player if he moves on. I have had no issues with the level of effort or commitment from Oviedo over the years. He has had a lot of bad luck with injuries but has been a very useful player when fit. I wish him well with a new club if that is in the cards.

Eugene Ruane
129 Posted 30/01/2017 at 15:49:40
Dave, # 125 - Duuuuuude, like..take a chill pill and chillax, move on, get over yourself, put the toothpaste back in the tooob. Be a TW team-player and turn that frown upside down (etc ad infinitum)

By the way (unrelated) here's a big fat mad rumour I just saw - Link

Minik Hansen
130 Posted 30/01/2017 at 15:51:54
Oviedo has always that fighting spirit when he is playing, and he deserves to fulfill his role, I hope this move gets through. Baines delivers enough, no need to make Oviedo wait with no cup games.
Colin Glassar
131 Posted 30/01/2017 at 15:52:27
My bad Dave and Brian, oooops, my mistake I meant to say. Languages are constantly evolving, sometimes for the worse admittedly.

I'm still searching the dictionary for 'Kidda'. I can't find it.

Robert Workman
132 Posted 30/01/2017 at 15:57:14
Just watched Koeman's press conference. He seemed extremely relaxed regarding any more transfer business during January. He is happy with striker and goalie situations and sees no need to bring in cover for Baines, as he has enough young players at the club. I like that attitude, also his admission that he changed his mind about letting Oviedo go in fairness to such a 'professional' player.
Ray Jacques
133 Posted 30/01/2017 at 15:59:16
Good news, two more off the wage bill who are not good enough .
Phil Bellis
134 Posted 30/01/2017 at 15:59:45
Hijacked thread... My response to "can I get..." No idea...Next!
Latest in student city: queuing in a line at the bar with 3 or more staff waiting on... I just walk politely to an empty area of bar and get served... It's a pub, not McDonald's ffs... Where did queuing come from? Even the bar staff are baffled
Colin Glassar
135 Posted 30/01/2017 at 15:59:59
Eugene, so who owns Blue Heaven Holdings? Usmanov Moshiri, Mamut or all three together? This is very confusing. Or is this fake news?
Eugene Ruane
136 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:02:36
No idea Colin, if it's completely fake (and it probably is), someone has put a mad amount of time into it.
Patrick Murphy
137 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:05:32
Phil #135 I'd heard they had tried it out at Yates' wine lodge - similar to how people get served in a bank only difference is the tannoy says "Pisshead number four please!"
Simon Jones
138 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:05:47
This from BBC Sport website
Everton boss Ronald Koeman also spoke about Darron Gibson and Bryan Oviedo, who are set to join Sunderland.

He said: "Oviedo it was difficult. He is the back-up for Leighton Baines. He is a perfect professional. He wants a new challenge to play at Sunderland.

"I had told him no way, no chance, but I changed my mind. I don't know if it's the best solution but I like the boy, he was working hard and he wanted to play.

"If we get a problem at that position we have some good young ones.

"We know what we want, if we don't get the players we want we won't just sign players to get numbers in. They must bring lots of qualities to the team. We can wait until the summer."

Colin Glassar
139 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:09:43
The thing about fake news is that these morons go to great lengths to make it look real and convincing. Saying that, I do think there's a very strong Russian connection behind Moshiri.
Patrick Murphy
140 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:10:02
Sky Sports' very own 'white Russian' aka Jim White is confident that Bill and Moshiri are working on a couple of deals and he also claims to be an Evertonian now.
Tony McNulty
141 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:12:40
Some of what went on when Moyes left us irritated me at the time.

No, I am not going to pick the scab off that old wound again.

However, when he came hunting for our players that Summer, and there was a dispute about the price, he was quoted as saying something like:

“Oh, I know how things work with transfers at Everton.”

Well I suspect he doesn't know any more. I just hope we are charging him some serious cash for these reserves. And maybe add a few quid on during the final stages of negotiations just to send a message.

Skinner's principles: reward the desired behaviour; punish the behaviour you don't like.

Patrick Murphy
142 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:12:57
Colin #139 I don't think that Watched Toffee creates fake news, he might make assertions that perhaps don't always stand up to scrutiny, but that site aided and abbetted by a few of his colleagues do dig very deep into official documentation and I don't think they have ever published or produced fake documents.

Colin Glassar
143 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:21:13
Patrick, I haven't got a clue who Watched Toffees is/are. I wasn't referring to this site as a fake news outlet just making a point that they are very good and professional misleading people.
Brian Williams
144 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:23:09
Ha, I didn't know Dave was reacting to something YOU'D said. Hadn't scrolled back that far.
Should have known though, you're a bloody trouble maker kidda! ;-)
Craig McFarlane
145 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:23:54
Both deals done We'll see Bryan back at Goodison next month...I won't hold my breathe on Gibson being fit for the game
Brian Williams
146 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:24:03
BTW. Gibson and Oviedo officially Sunderland players, woohooooo!!
Colin Glassar
147 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:26:20
Good luck to both of them. Injuries ruined their careers.
Patrick Murphy
148 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:28:31
Colin # 143

It's a media circus out there, including the 'trusted' outlets who never let the truth get in the way of a good story, we all have to be on our guard for misleading or fake stories, in every area of life, unfortunately many believe if it is written down - then it must be true.

Eugene Ruane
149 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:31:28
If they both get 'game time', everyone a long as any replacement (if needed) for Baines isn't horribly exposed.

Best of luck to both of them.

Michael Ward
150 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:32:27
Sunderland echo reporting £7.5m for them both. Good business I reckon.
James Hughes
151 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:34:19
Deal confirmed on Mackems twitter

Mike Gaynes
152 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:36:45
Deeply saddened at Oviedo's departure. I spotted him on the Costa Rica national team and touted him a year before Moyes signed him... was delighted to see him arrive and play so well. And he gave me one of my greatest memories ever with the goal at Old Trafford.

One of my favorite Blues, and I'll miss him. All the best to him for many years to come.

Patrick Murphy
153 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:40:41
I'll be honest, I thought Oviedo would have suited Ronald as a player, but the lad has been very unfortunate with his injuries. Gibson looked a gamble when we bought him, but if you think back many of us were reasonably pleased when he arrived, another injury prone player who could have had a fantastic career if fate had been kinder to him.

I wish both players good luck but not when they return to Goodison at the end of the month.

Kevin Rowlands
154 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:44:08
Oviedo just left a really classy message on twitter, will miss him. As for Gibson, not so much but anyways, good luck to the pair of them now playing for Everland.
Chris James
155 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:45:21
Deal done for the pair on full-time contracts. Means Moyes now has:

Darron Gibson,
Bryan Oviedo,
Victor Anichebe,
Stephen Pienaar,
Jack Rodwell
Joleon Lescott

There's still time to grab Jags and I'm sure Hibbo and Ossie would come out of retirement for the right offer! Wonder what Andy Johnson is up to these days?

James Hughes
156 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:46:26
#154 what was the message Kevin?
Mike Gaynes
157 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:47:00
Eugene #149, Koeman is seemingly committed to three at the back. Admittedly Oviedo's departure is a bet on Baines' health, but if something happens, Baines the wing is easier to replace (Davies?) than Baines the LB.
Terence Tyler
158 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:47:01
Great business. Off our wage bill, they were never going to feature in Ron's revolution.
John G Davies
159 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:48:20
Koeman transforming the club into one that mirrors his required standards. Very exciting times to be a Blue. A totally different approach to the recent and not so recent past.

Moshiri and his first choice of manager will bring the good times back. Allied to a new waterfront stadium, these two are what we have waited a long time for.

Mike Gaynes
160 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:48:29
Chris #155, I think Tim Cahill's phone is ringing off the hook in Melbourne.
Colin Glassar
161 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:48:44
Patrick, most of the stuff in the written press about our dastardly neighbours is fake news i.e. They still consider them a top team and don't get tired writing about them.
James Flynn
162 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:49:39
James (151) - Looks official. One of their supporters posted this as the new club badge:

Martin Nicholls
163 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:49:47
If all our ex-players get in team on 25th February, is it possible that Mackems will boast more EFC appearances than the team we field against them?
Alastair Donaldson
164 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:50:55
Good luck to Oviedo, a shame that injury really put him back, but what a great example to others.. anyone else remember he nearly scored an absolute screamer against Man Utd at Old Trafford the season after THAT goal same game Baines missed a peno. If only???

Chris James
165 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:51:00
If that's genuinely in the ٥.5M ballpark for the pair, I think that's great business – granted its not quite Fellaini, but Moyes always looks after us in the transfer market.

Hopefully this together with all the loans, means we'll have the wage-space to push through at least one more decent acquisition before tomorrow's deadline. I'm happy with Schneiderlin and Lookman, but I feel a creative attacking mid or lively forward could give us an extra push in the run in.

Colin Glassar
166 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:52:05
£7.5m for the pair? That's bloody good business imo.
James Hughes
167 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:53:44
I found it, it is class goodbye from Bryan -

We say goodbye, but the memories are never forgotten. I am grateful to this great family for all that I have experienced. Thanks Toffees! 💙

Mike Green
168 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:54:11
On their day, very good players.

Shame about Oviedo – he was really coming into his own when he had that horrendous injury and was pretty inspirational as to how he handled it too. Gibson also showed signs of being a real force in the centre but just didn't couldn't stay off of the treatment table and is probably a bit of a handful outside of work too.

If I was a Sunderland fan I'm not sure I'd be too happy. This takes us another step towards Koeman's finished squad though, fingers crossed we'll add a bit of quality in the next 24 hours.

Mike Gaynes
169 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:56:05
Alistair #164, yep, I remember that... and a really sweet goal against Stoke, cutting in from the byline.


Geoff Evans
170 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:58:44
I'd have give Sunderland ٥mil to take Gibson away. Could never understand how a bloke who couldn't get off the treatment table had the time to go out drinking, good riddance to him.

Good luck to Brian, a good, hard working pro.

Soren Moyer
171 Posted 30/01/2017 at 16:59:21
Calling Oviedo "free rider" is a no no. However, I agree on Gibson and Kone.
Ciarán McGlone
172 Posted 30/01/2017 at 17:02:06
Shame about Oviedo. Very good player who came back from a career ending injury. Seemed a decent spud as well.

As for Gibson. More interested in nightclubs than playing football. Good riddance.

Brian Williams
173 Posted 30/01/2017 at 17:04:35
Just in. Gibson trips on way out of press room after signing contract. Out for three months.
Neil Jones
174 Posted 30/01/2017 at 17:08:02
So pleased they have gone; they were not good enough for the first team anymore so best they moved on for their careers and for the club. Let's hope we can sign some top class players in their place.
Trevor Lynes
175 Posted 30/01/2017 at 17:13:54

I still believe that most of the business is aimed at recouping money spent rather than investing properly. We have signed just one midfielder who is proven at Premier League standards.

Lookman is an unknown so far and although showing promise, he remains a gamble in my opinion. The other kid is not owned by us so cannot be counted. Valencia will be leaving at the seasons end as he has proved to be inadequate. We now have no cover for either full back.

We still lack a commanding centre back who is strong in the air. We still lack a top quality play maker. We have no proven cover for Bolasie as Lookman remains untested. We are still lacking striker support for Lukaku.

We have not signed a goal scorer to support or cover for Lukaku. God help us if Lukaku gets injured as he cannot get rested.

Mark Morrissey
176 Posted 30/01/2017 at 17:18:01
I'm with Lyndon @ 4 , Craig, Kunal and anyone else who is in the Oviedo camp. I think he's a good player and after such a bad leg break we have done well to move him on at all. It was a shocker of an injury and it's not his fault really that he finds himself in such a predicament. Good work to shift him on and best of luck to him.

As for Gibson well it's more of the same really. He doesn't want to be a crock, he wants to play. It was right to extend him because now we get money for him. Best of luck to him too.

Anthony Dwyer
177 Posted 30/01/2017 at 17:19:06
Forget all the reminiscing, you gang of softies, we've just got ٥.5m for ١m worth of players, we should be throwing a fucking party at Goodison with free food and ale.

Even in the current climate were fees are crazy, this takes the absolute piss.

Terence Tyler
178 Posted 30/01/2017 at 17:19:42
Kone next please
Tony Abrahams
179 Posted 30/01/2017 at 17:20:25
I just got a text off Everton as I was reading that Watched Toffee page, telling me that I have 24 hours to join this new payment scheme for season tickets. Put me down for the next 50 years, is all I can think, if this piece is true!

Eugene, I hope that becomes the best thing you have ever posted on ToffeeWeb mate, especially considering the only people who wouldn't find it funny, are the bastards across the park! Watch out FSG, is alls I can say, watch those phoney bastards turn on Yers if this is true!

Liam Reilly
180 Posted 30/01/2017 at 17:21:38
٥.5 Million for both of them.

Very good deal for Everton.

Nicholas Starling
181 Posted 30/01/2017 at 17:22:43
Anyone suggesting Brady would be a suitable purchase as cover for the LW/WB position clearly hasn't watched him play this season. I'm an Evertonian, but am from Norwich and all my family are Norwich fans, so I have a season ticket with them at Carrow Road. Brady has been awful for most of the year, turning in his two best performances in the last two week since he's been linked elsewhere. He lacks consistency and we (Everton) can do better.

I share the sentiments of many here who wish Bryan well. Likewise, I hate to see Jags slagged off. He's worked himself in to the ground for our club and deserves a bit more respect.

Duncan McDine
182 Posted 30/01/2017 at 17:24:00
Bloody hell, who gave them their medical... Stevie Wonder? The ginger one is going up in my expectations but for all the wrong reasons!

I now fancy us signing another player before the deadline... Hope its a good'n!

Anthony Hawkins
183 Posted 30/01/2017 at 17:29:13
Sunderland really are becoming an Everton B team. Never thought I'd see the day Everton being a feeder to another Premier League team.
Brent Stephens
184 Posted 30/01/2017 at 17:42:21
Good deal all round. £7.4 m for Oviedo and £0.1m for Gibson sounds about right.

Sorry to see Oviedo not recapture his initial form with us. A pity Gibson succumbed to injury so often.

Mike Berry
185 Posted 30/01/2017 at 17:44:43
If you believe the fees then that's great business, sold as a profit and off the wage bill. Good players when fit but alas they could be plagued, but I hope they stay injury free and have good careers.

I have been very impressed how the backroom business has worked to move players on, get them a playing career and get the surplus off the books. It's not always easy shipping players out.

Tony Rio
186 Posted 30/01/2017 at 17:48:12
Apparently we got 㾶 million for Oviedo but had to pay Sunder-ton ٠.5 million to take Gibbo. Nice leaving pressie from Bobby, that contract extension.

To be fair, I honestly think he could have been world class, but then again, if my Auntie had bollocks, she'd be my uncle. Good look lads.

Paul Birmingham
187 Posted 30/01/2017 at 17:48:36
Fair play and good luck to both lads. Both scored winning goals in the recent past against Man City and Man Utd. Gibbo was Perma crock, and had some bad luck and Oviedo was a gent off the park and a good player who always did his best. He had no luck with some terrible injuries but was EFC through and through.

Each to their own opinion but no need to berate them, and let's see how EFC remake a la Moyes 2017, holds up this season. Will they stay up? If they do it will become folklore. The few Sunderland supporters I know don't think, bar a miracle, they have a chance. Footy is a funny old game.
Colin Glassar
188 Posted 30/01/2017 at 17:49:57
Helen Keller played nurse Duncan: when she said, "Cough!", Gibbo placed a peanut in her hand.
Steavey Buckley
189 Posted 30/01/2017 at 17:52:18
Moyes then Martinez knew there is a good player in Gibson, so perhaps iit was not stupid after all giving him a new contract for 2 years? He would have walked for free if there was not one.

Now, Sunderland have not only taken over Gibson's contract, but paid something as well in the transfer fee. Good business.

David Chait
190 Posted 30/01/2017 at 17:52:19
Sad to see Oviedo go... was brilliant before the injury and even better than Baines had been before he had slotted in his place.

Can do a great job for any EPL side so good luck to him. He deserves to be a starter.

Rob Dolby
191 Posted 30/01/2017 at 17:52:33
Good bit of business.

Both have been unlucky with injuries and deserve a chance at another club. Let's hope we can unearth a gem before the window shuts tomorrow. We should also recall Galloway from West Brom to cover for Bainsey.

Antony Matthews
192 Posted 30/01/2017 at 17:53:28
Sky sports .Gibson has a wrist injury due to signing his new contract.
Denis Richardson
193 Posted 30/01/2017 at 17:55:14
٥.5m fook me Sunderland are DESPERATE! Excellent business by Everton.

Cleverley, Niasse, Gibson, gone - that's a lot more than I could have hoped for this window.

Neutral on Deulofeu and Oviedo as I think they were ok for the squad. However, if RK doesn't fancy them then no point in keeping them. That's a massive part of the dross taken care of by the Koeman axe - certainly no fanning about.

Christy Ring
194 Posted 30/01/2017 at 17:58:50
A great bit of business to get ٥.5m for two players plagued by injury. Hope it works out for them at Sunderland, Oviedo was never the same player after his horror injury. I'm disappointed we didn't throw in Kone, as a good will gesture.
Ian Bennett
195 Posted 30/01/2017 at 18:10:19
Simply shocking. Fees and wages this must be upward of £15m outlay for two lads that might struggle to get to 10 games.

Great business again.

Will Mabon
196 Posted 30/01/2017 at 18:11:01

The "Ownership" thing might be inaccurate but nothing would surprise me in certain murky worlds. Not that I'd ever be one to go around loudly accusing certain people. Be interesting to see what follows.

"The thing about fake news is that these morons go to great lengths to make it look real and convincing".

You're right, Colin. The mainstream media do go to great lengths.

Notice how the whole fake news thing suddenly sprang up pan mainstream media recently. Almost as if given a "Go" signal from somewhere. Now, many in the world might suddenly wonder prima facie whether anything they read off-mainstream is real, as a default position. Seeds of doubt...

Dave Williams
197 Posted 30/01/2017 at 18:14:06
Marvellous bit of business to get ٥.5m for them and credit to whoever did the negotiating (most likely BIll with Moyes being involved).

Looks like Ron is very happy with his young players coming through and maybe Robinson is in mind if Baines gets injured.

As for the piece from Eugene it does sound very credible and why would a guy with Usmanov clout stay playing not even second fiddle to Kronke at Arsenal?

If it isn't true though go we seem to be doing well enough with Moshiri.

Tom Bowers
199 Posted 30/01/2017 at 18:20:03
This is a good deal all round. Both players have done well in the relatively few games they have played for the Blues but sadly injuries, particularly to Gibbo, have put them back the reckoning.

It's a deal that could help Sunderland avoid relegation especially as they have lost their young winger and Big Vic who was starting to impress with them.

With the young defenders Everton have in hand they will not miss Oviedo but the lad never let them down and who will forget his last-minute winner at Old Trafford.

Dave Older
200 Posted 30/01/2017 at 18:21:12
£7.5million??!??!!? Blimey, I nearly crashed the car when I heard the news on the way home. Channelling my inner Gibson without the petrol station I guess. £7.5million, can't believe it. Fantastic business.
Paul Tran
201 Posted 30/01/2017 at 18:39:21
And now we get a fee for the player we 'stupidly' gave a contract to. Cue the first post that says we were lucky....
Kevin Tully
202 Posted 30/01/2017 at 18:41:46
I never thought I would say this, but getting rid of five first team players in one January window shows how this club is changing. Whatever you think of Koeman (who still has a lot to prove) he is just they type of manager required to make these seismic changes.

There also seems to be clear direction at boardroom level, which we haven't seen for 25 years. The relics are being sold from the Everton museum. Exciting times that will hopefully continue with an announcement that will have the kopites raising the levels of the Mersey by a few inches with their tears.

Darren Hind
203 Posted 30/01/2017 at 18:44:02
Not only that, KT, but we are now getting money for them!
Chris Williams
204 Posted 30/01/2017 at 18:44:31
Tomorrow will be a long torrid day methinks.

Short upfront and short of goals from midfield.

Steve Ferns
205 Posted 30/01/2017 at 18:50:28
This thread has been a good laugh since the deal was confirmed. Please continue!
Jon Bentley
206 Posted 30/01/2017 at 18:53:27
Agree with those posting that credit where credit is due. The 2-year contract for Gibbo looked like a rank decision at the time but fair play to them, the gamble paid off. Unless of course Oviedo baby was actually ٥.5m alone and the only way it was sanctioned was if they took Gibbo as a freebie!

Oviedo deserves credit for how he has conducted himself and always have his all. Will be welcomed back warmly when Sunderland visit Goodison.

Ray Said
208 Posted 30/01/2017 at 19:00:15
£7.5 mill!!! Kenwright must have used a balaclava and a sawn-off to negotiate this one.
Brian Hennessy
209 Posted 30/01/2017 at 19:08:25
Super piece of business. it will be interesting to see if the "Everton B Team" manage to stay up...
Mark Morrissey
210 Posted 30/01/2017 at 19:08:55
Anthony @ you're right. I was just trying to be sensible. It is an amazing piss take and Moyes is more desperate than Dan!!!
Lev Vellene
211 Posted 30/01/2017 at 19:09:48
Oviedo started sort of feebly, but by the time he got his double leg break, he was really starting to look good in his position! Initially, the Gibson deal didn't look bad (wasn't it performance-based?).

But at this point in time, with Everton looking upwards instead of warily eying the (other...) relegation-fodder like we used to do a decade or so ago, both players are now surplus to requirements.

I like the fact that this transfer will now give them both as good a chance of prolonging their playing career in the top flight as their own abilities will now allow them to do!

They were both good for us at the time, and I have nothing but the best wishes for either of them now that they move on!

Dermot Byrne
212 Posted 30/01/2017 at 19:11:50
I think that is crap business or at best OK. Oviedo is worth that for potential and past and many a Championship club would pay ٠m for Gibson. Look at the market lads.
John G Davies
213 Posted 30/01/2017 at 19:16:07
Koeman net spend since he took charge down to 㾽.5 million.
To improve the club to the extent Koeman and Mr Moshiri have achieved on a small sum is fantastic.

McCarthy sale will have him on a net spend of zero. The positivity on our great forum ToffeeWeb is a pleasure to see. 50-year season ticket, Tony Abrahams. Nice one.

Lev Vellene
214 Posted 30/01/2017 at 19:17:42
Do EFC have a plan for keeping the physios from planning regicide now that they don't have their hands full of Gibbo, though? Idle hands, and all that... >;D
Mick Davies
215 Posted 30/01/2017 at 19:18:32
Paul Setter @ 2, Good god! More Moyes muck leaving. Just need to get Kone, Jags and the crab McCarthy out the door soon and this would have been a decent window.

Disgraceful statement about players and a manager who helped to put this great club back on the map. Were you even supporting Everton when Walker or Smith were in charge?

I for one wish Oviedo a successful career after his exertions and horrific double leg break, plus his love of Everton. Gibson scored that great winner against City and always looked classy when on the pitch (too infrequently sadly). I hope they keep Sunderland in the Premier League.

As for John Pierce, I have to question your sanity, intelligence or whether you're just a troll.

Dermot Byrne
216 Posted 30/01/2017 at 19:19:04
John G...

Great to read that rather than nonsense from some who measure us by size of net spend. As my partner says, not the size (over to you all for humour).

Brian Williams
217 Posted 30/01/2017 at 19:19:10
And where's the list of Championship clubs queuing up to sign Gibson? Was no secret he was available but they didn't seem to be knocking the door down to get him.
Brian Hennessy
218 Posted 30/01/2017 at 19:20:17
Lev@214 Seems EFC do have a plan, we have just sold four physios to Sunderland...
Dermot Byrne
219 Posted 30/01/2017 at 19:20:20
Was it Brian? New contract?
Tony Abrahams
220 Posted 30/01/2017 at 19:22:08
It would just be like Usmanov's shares at Arsenal, if this was true JohnG, an investment for the kids, "ON THE BANKS OF THE ROYAL BLUE MERSEY!"
Lev Vellene
221 Posted 30/01/2017 at 19:24:00
Brian (#218), That really cracked me up! Silver linings...
Brian Williams
222 Posted 30/01/2017 at 19:26:11
Dermot. New contract so we could do exactly what we did, get a fee for him. No new contract and he walks for nowt. Big picture Dermot, big picture!
Eugene Ruane
223 Posted 30/01/2017 at 19:26:57
Interviewer: "So happy Bryan?"

Oviedo: 'Er..jess ob course, for beeg beeg pleasure, beeg honour.'

Interviewer: "Was it a surprise to get the call?"

Oviedo: "Jess ob course, because I was nebber in radio before, but eef he want me, I go."

Interviewer: 'Radio?'

Oviedo: "Jess, radio, you know Moyles, Radio X'

Interviewer: 'Ahh you mean Moyes?'

Oviedo: "Ha ha ha, Moyes, ees funny no? Beeg eyes-ball, hair fire! No, Eberton tells me Moyles - so I theenk I go work radio X, with Moyles - (looks concerned when interviewer looks confused) - thees ees the train London yes?"

Tannoy: "This is the 9.07 train from Liverpool Lime Street arriving at it's final destination Sunderland central"

As the door opens, Oviedo's smile vanishes as he hears a familiar voce.

"A taxi? Awa tae fuck, I'll pick up the boy fae here, we'll jump on the bus"

As the train comes to a (complete) stop, he sees a man talking on a mobile, a man with hair

Bobby Thomas
224 Posted 30/01/2017 at 19:29:10
With money supposed to be tight if I was a Sunderland fan I would question spending ٥.5 million on Gibbo – one of the most injury prone footballers in the division, and Oviedo – now a Championship level player due to injury.

Rodwell & Gibbo in mid! A midfield riddled with osteoporosis.

Tony Abrahams
225 Posted 30/01/2017 at 19:31:02
I get the point, Eugene... funny that!
Kristian Boyce
226 Posted 30/01/2017 at 19:32:17
Can we just take a moment to think about the poor physios at Everton who are probably out of a job today.

Good news is that I heard there's probably an opening in the NE.

Lev Vellene
227 Posted 30/01/2017 at 19:33:47
Eugene #223 Well, apart from the 'understudy' thing interview, he's been too patient for his own (good - slash it! ) interests...

I just hope he didn't ask Elstone to find him the proper train table... What would Greenlanders make of a frozen Oviedo?

But the man with the fire hair may still make him feel wanted, even if not properly appreciated, in what the 'man' feels he can really offer on the other side of the pitch from what he's trained for...

Shane Corcoran
228 Posted 30/01/2017 at 19:35:16
Off topic but there's an interview with our Seamus on from 9 p.m.
Anton Walsh
229 Posted 30/01/2017 at 19:40:11
What's the story with Garbutt? I thought he was going to be a cracking left back.
Seamus McCrudden
230 Posted 30/01/2017 at 19:42:08
Well they haven't told me Shane...
Richard Reeves
231 Posted 30/01/2017 at 19:54:22
I thought Gibson would've been a free just to get him off the books so I see it as a bonus to get something for him but best of luck to both of them.

I'm still not convinced by Koeman but credit to him for identifying who a lot of us see as the players to move on because some managers wouldn't and for a long time it's looked like the managers we've had hadn't been able to see the obvious.

Shipping out the deadwood, bringing through some of the youth and hints of more is promising and the right direction to take so hopefully Koeman will keep faith and trust in them as they have not let him down and bring a few more through to add to the squad. That and another bunch of sales in the summer to add to the spending power and things are definitely looking a lot more positive of late.
Colin Glassar
232 Posted 30/01/2017 at 19:59:09
Even more off topic Shane, betfair are predicting that Ross Barkley will move to Spurs tomorrow.
Tony Hill
233 Posted 30/01/2017 at 20:32:33
That's on several rumour sites, Colin, and is presumably bollocks (I trust). Price being quoted is £26m.
Clive Rogers
234 Posted 30/01/2017 at 20:34:39
Moyes was an average manager with us, but seems to have become a disaster since leaving. That's seven ex players he has signed, none of whom were first team and four of them with terrible injury records.
Seamus McCrudden
235 Posted 30/01/2017 at 20:56:36

I'd say there's an element of hes going with players that worked with him previously & happy to play for him as opposed to trying to entice players to Sunderland who simply wont be interested in going there at all?

Better the devil you know that no devil at all?

Colin Glassar
236 Posted 30/01/2017 at 21:01:54
Of course it is Tony, but I won't be surprised if the media pick it up and run with it tomorrow.
Julian Exshaw
237 Posted 30/01/2017 at 21:10:49
Totally agree with the positive comments about Oviedo. Had an excellent spell just before he broke his leg. Criminally sent out to play at right back once which wasn't his fault.

I hope he does well at Sunderland. As for Gibson, it's just hard to judge anyone who has so many injuries. Maybe he'll get a better run of games now.

Rob Halligan
238 Posted 30/01/2017 at 21:13:02
Manchester Evening News reporting manure are after Seamus... Odds slashed on Coleman to Man Utd

Coleman is 1/3 to sign for Man Utd this week, which is the shortest priced transfer of anyone moving on the bookies' chalkboards.

Might be nothing, since it is just the betting market.

Mike Gaynes
239 Posted 30/01/2017 at 21:13:39
Evening Standard now reporting the Barkley rumour.
Patrick Murphy
240 Posted 30/01/2017 at 21:17:11
Sake lads are we going bust? If we sell Barkley and Coleman without bringing top top players in, I'll go down the cellar and sharpen the pitchforks and refill the torches!
Christian Yates
241 Posted 30/01/2017 at 21:18:03
Hi guys, I have been lurking this excellent fanzine for a long time now and was never compelled to create an account and participate in debate, until I saw the comments regarding 'fake news' and Alisher Usmanov.

I currently reside in Moscow and did a bit of digging, and found this on the 'Forbes' Russian language website.

I translated just the first paragraph, as it is the most relevant here:

On February, 26, the 'Championship'*, reported that Russian billionaire Alisher Usmanov had completed the purchase of Everton FC, citing a source in the English Premier League "close to the deal." In response to questions put forward to Usmanov's representatives, Forbes received a clear and concise answer: "No, that is simply not the case."

*The 'news' outlet, that ViralEverton used as its source.

So yeah, just hogwash clickbait.

I will keep looking out for news on this end and will happily translate and post anything that I can find or people ask me to.

Rob Halligan
242 Posted 30/01/2017 at 21:18:14
Won't happen, Patrick.
Mark Morrissey
243 Posted 30/01/2017 at 21:27:59
Now it's getting silly boys. More chance of Coleman going to Man Utd than us winning the FA Cup this season. He'll be first or second on Koeman's team sheet.

What is interesting is hearing David Moyes saying he is desperate for a striker and we have one for sale. He can then have two Kones in his team. Even better is hearing Koeman say he wants Keane. If we can do those 2 bits of business tomorrow I'd be made up.
Andy Crooks
244 Posted 30/01/2017 at 21:30:01
Nice one, again, Eugene.
Ernie Baywood
245 Posted 30/01/2017 at 21:30:02
No doubt we'll all miss Bryan and plenty will be pleased to see Gibson go. The reality is that only Gibson really had the ability to be a first team player.

In my opinion Oviedo didn't quite have it but gave his all. Can't be faulted for effort, enthusiasm or passion for the club.

Gibson is one of the better centre mids we've had at the club over the last 10 or so years. Big strong body, plenty of presence and he could play. He could have been a great signing. None of us really know why he was so injury prone but it's possible it was his own undoing through lack of preparation.

Either way, it looks the right move for club and players so good luck to them both.

Mike Gaynes
246 Posted 30/01/2017 at 21:30:10
Welcome Christian and cheers.
Mike Gaynes
247 Posted 30/01/2017 at 21:30:33
Is that what we are, a "fanzine"?
Ray Robinson
248 Posted 30/01/2017 at 21:36:48
I will always be grateful to Oviedo for giving me one of my best ever memories when he scored the winner at Old Trafford a few seasons ago. Priceless.
Dave Older
249 Posted 30/01/2017 at 21:46:28
£7.5million!!!!!??? I still can't get over it and it's been over four hours since I heard the news. I thought Christmas was last month but it feels like Christmas, New Year and the RS losing a match all in one day. In Ronald we trust.
Grant Rorrison
250 Posted 30/01/2017 at 21:52:25
Assuming Gibson's value in this double deal isn't very much, say £500k. Doesn't seem very much (£7m) for a player of Oviedo's quality in an inflated market.
Eugene Ruane
251 Posted 30/01/2017 at 21:56:56
The cost of injury is interesting - Link
Paul McGee
252 Posted 30/01/2017 at 22:02:54
I liked the two of them on the pitch, but Oviedo definetly never the same after the break and why Gibson was given a new contract is a mystery, he had chance after chance to get over the injuries. If we have around 7.5m for the two, spend it on Tiereny at Celtic as a possible long term replacement for Baines.

Like the lad a lot, might be worth leaving him there till the summer and it would sweeten the deal for him and celtic, but his price will go up.

Top priority of course a forward, but the saving on the two wages and the rumoured 7.5m money we got would pay for him at no cost to what we have to spend on a forward. I may be underestimating his value, but 10 would get him.
Colin Gee
253 Posted 30/01/2017 at 22:15:08
As others have said, sad to Oviedo, or as my dear 70 year old Mum calls him "That O'video lad" go.

He gave 100% whenever he played and that night at Old Trafford will live long in the memory, travelling back on the tram into Manchester with all the Mancs calling Moyes for allsorts was great fun. I must have been the only one on there with a smile on my face.

As for Gibson, shame for the lad,as there is a player in there somewhere, but like many others before him he seems to have pissed it all up against the wall.

Jeff Armstrong
254 Posted 30/01/2017 at 22:25:36
Ernie, "Gibson, big STRONG body" – are you talking about the same Darron Gibson who was made from the same stuff as Christmas baubles and played just 60 odd games for us in 5 years...
Denis Richardson
255 Posted 30/01/2017 at 22:50:42
Gibson was given an extension thanks to a promise from our great former manager. It wasn't a master stroke by the club in anticipation of selling him, as some would believe.

We should all send thank-you cards to Moyes, before he's sacked from his third club since leaving us and fails for the third time to manage a full season as manager. I think this will be Davey's last hurrah in the Premier League before taking up a cushy role north of the border.

Mike Gaynes
256 Posted 30/01/2017 at 23:09:15
Ray #248, me too. For personal reasons it was a very emotional moment and one I will always cherish.
Sean Patton
257 Posted 30/01/2017 at 23:37:37
Wish Oviedo nothing but the best we'll always have Old Trafford Bryan.

As for Gibson, five years with nothing much to show for it – he won't be missed.

Jack Convery
258 Posted 30/01/2017 at 23:39:49
Good luck Bryan. You will always have a warm welcome amongst us Blues of whom you are one. We will always have Old Trafford.
Peter Carpenter
259 Posted 31/01/2017 at 00:10:15
Hey, that thing about players always scoring against former clubs! We're stuffed when Sunderland come to town.
Geoff Evans
260 Posted 30/01/2017 at 00:14:31
Hold on for a white knuckle ride today... we may well be in for some surprises, watch this space!
Clive Mitchell
261 Posted 31/01/2017 at 00:15:32
Good luck Bryan, you handled yourself with great class at Everton.
Peter Carpenter
262 Posted 31/01/2017 at 00:16:56
'Oviedo – and that's Sunderland's ninth!'
Gavin Johnson
263 Posted 31/01/2017 at 00:26:48
I hope both players are successful at Sunderland. It doesn't give a breakdown of how much of the ٥.5m was allocated to the Gibson deal, but it can't be much. Gibson is the biggest sick note ever to get a free ride in the game. I think Darren Anderton was the original sick note but I'd hazard a guess he played more games for Spurs than Gibson played at Man Utd and Everton together.

Whatever made Moyes a good manager at Everton seems to have deserted him. Buying half the Everton team 7 years after their best isn't really thinking out of the box. Sunderland will go down. Moyes will get the sack and probably go full circle and end up at Preston North End ;)

Kristian Boyce
264 Posted 31/01/2017 at 00:36:59
Gavin, despite having the nickname of 'sicknote'. Believe it or not, Anderton made about 500 appearances in his career. When he signed for Bournemouth a few years back I saw an article about him and couldn't believe he actually played that many.
Gavin Johnson
265 Posted 31/01/2017 at 00:47:21
It defo puts Darron Gibson's 134 appearances in a 12 year professional career into perspective, Kristian.
Dan Egerton
266 Posted 31/01/2017 at 06:50:57
I've read £4 million for Oviedo, £400k for Gibson. I have no idea what salaries they are on. Oviedo would probably stay around £40k a week, Gibson probably less.
Ian Jones
267 Posted 31/01/2017 at 07:30:25
To be fair to Moyes, I think he has arrived at a club which is at lower ebb than when he arrived at Everton.

I don't know the finances available to him at Sunderland. Guess he hasn't got much to spend so is getting in numbers at reasonable prices and looks like he is looking at players whose quality and attitude he knows already.

Given a period free from injuries, the latest 2 he picked up from us will do a decent job.

We always have Bradley!

Tony Abrahams
268 Posted 31/01/2017 at 07:31:07
Maybe, it's because I want to believe it, but for Usmanov's people to answer any other way would have been stupid, simply because he would have been found to be breaking Premier League rules?

Keep lurking, Christian, until you can give us some positive news!

Nev Renshaw
269 Posted 31/01/2017 at 07:35:45
All these players leaving is well and good, but we need replacements.
Paul Smith
270 Posted 31/01/2017 at 07:40:46
I hope we don't regret flogging Bryan.

Cracking form before his lay-off; if he ever rediscovers it, he won't be at the Black Cats for long.

Good luck, lad. 💙

Dan Egerton
271 Posted 31/01/2017 at 08:05:39
Oviedo was first choice LB for a while. He kept a fit Leighton Baines out of the side. He was amazing in every game and then tragedy struck. Some people have short short short memories.
Alexander Murphy
272 Posted 31/01/2017 at 09:05:30
Very best of luck, Bryan! If any EPL player deserves good luck then it's "Oviedo-Baby". Handled a career threatening injury and the long, long road to return with true grit, dignity and a smile.

Hope Bryan can return to his stylish best, a class act as a man and player.

Dan Egerton
273 Posted 31/01/2017 at 12:14:28
Now for the last time...


Okay, I'm done.

Teddy Bertin
274 Posted 31/01/2017 at 13:22:36
I doubt there was a queue of championship clubs in for Gibson. His track record is awful. Moyes is desperate for a bit of creativity in that side and is willing to take a gamble that Gibson might provide a couple of passes that help win Sunderland a few games.

Decent business from EFC in the end and proved a lot of us wrong about offering Gibson that contract.

Sad to see Oviedo go but he's wasted on the bench with us. With a long run of games he could be a very decent player.

Good work Ronald and team. Let the rebuild continue.

Brendan Fox
275 Posted 31/01/2017 at 18:34:13
Thanks, Bryan, for the memories and your dedication to the cause despite all the unlucky injuries. Hope you get back to the form you showed before the double fracture leg break.

Darron, on the other hand... for you, I'd say from the club's perspective it's good riddance as you never got to the point where you got fit enough to show what you could do with the undoubted talent you were blessed with. The off-field transgressions when not available due to yet another injury have tainted your time with us. Couldn't really give a toss if you get back to fitness as you never really bothered to get there with us.

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