Joe Williams joins Barnsley on loan

I'm not an admirer of the loan system but It does make you wonder at the point of signing all these youngsters from other clubs if we don't have a system that is capable of properly turning out the finished article.

Thank heavens Davies got the chance when he did but he then seems to be an argument against feeder clubs.

I thought he was supposed to be the better prospect between him and Dowell...

There's no room for all these kids to get in. Loaned out is good for them and hopefully good for Everton.

Joe Williams or any. Get them somewhere to play and develop.

Like Thomas says @ 3. It would be good if Liam Walsh was used in Europe or League Cup to give him some experience. If he does stay I expect he'll be the U23 captain this season.

Another one to keep an eye on...

Liam Walsh and Keiran Dowell have different styles and different attitudes to the game. Liam is all action from the centre of midfield, always in the thick of the action, urging his mates on, never satisfied with their performances or his own, a great team player.

Keiran is a great dribbler and passer of the ball, great on free kicks and corners, as is Walsh, but the big fault with Dowell is he goes missing from the game for long spells and does little to get the ball back when he loses it.

He will have you out of your seat roaring applause one minute then have you pulling your hair out with frustration the next. If he works harder and gets into the game more, we have got a cracker, if not we've got another Barkley to argue about.

And yes, I know, some will be more than happy with that and some of us won't.

It doesn't change the point but I think that Foulds also came from there. Previously, it seemed to be Brentford (Bidwell & Forshaw) and Fleetwood (Henen on loan then McAleny permanently).

Having typed that, Preston and Sunderland came to mind although that may be the same two players, Browning & McGeady.

If Joe can come back in a year's time with game time under his belt and a bit more schooling on the art of defending, it's got to be good for the lad and the club.

I'd prefer to see him stay and get game time in Europe and maybe the domestic cups but he doesn't appear to be as close to the first team as we all hope.

I know he's been injured but Koeman didn't take him with the seniors to the Netherlands and he's not been close to the bench under his stewardship; so maybe a loan would be a good move. It's got to be more challenging than the U23s.

And no! I don't want to burden him with expectancy and say he could be as good as those two Everton greats, but on effort alone – never mind his ability – the lad's got a chance.

Regarding the lower leagues, Liam was on loan at Yeovil the season before last; he did great there, in one of the games an opposition player was trying to wind him up, having a go at him. Liam let him know he wasn't a mug and gave him a smack, got sent off.

He has got a temper and he's got to wind that in, but tough tackling will not put him off. He can look after himself, and Joe Royle for one thinks Liam's size is definitely not a handicap.

Well that's what my olde Grandad told me anyway.

Bury it is then. Cheers.