Late leveller by Limassol holds Blues to damaging draw

I'd like Lennon on too for pace instead of him. I'll go for the safe 2-1 with hopefully Ramirez actually being played up front and not chasing on the wing out of position as per.

Can't he just play two up top and Sigurdsson in the Number 10 role we actually supposedly bought him for...

If you have Mobdro on your phone or tablet then you'll get a decent stream.

Williams showing his usual panache on the ball.

Other than that, there's players out of position on both wings and Schneiderlin doing his usual back passes. Dire.

We need a new manager!

䀋m received for Lukaku
٣m spent on Ramirez

Nice profit for Bill and his cronies.

The best we can hope for this season is for our Premier League status to be preserved because there's no chance of silverware or Champions League football.

In an orderly queue. Taking a long run-up.

John Mclaughlin's fiery and passionate jazzgasms?

Nah, more like the Grateful Dead. Flabby, lumpen, going nowhere in no hurry, occasionally interspersed with a bit of magic from fat Jerry Garcia / Wayne Rooney.

If Koeman can't see what everyone else sees then he's more of a fool than I thought he was. Europa League has gone, League Cup is as good as gone. Leaves us with survival and hopefully an FA Cup run against so called minnows.

Although on tonight's crass display minnows can give us a lesson too. Good night, Everton, you don't deserve me or my passion. Gutted!!!

Why do we play so slowly? The only urgency we show is after they equalise.

Way too many below par players in this team. It'll be a long, hard and painful season.

Where to from here?

The players are at fault for individual mistakes, but Koeman creates the context in which those mistakes fester.

He's a chancer.

Result is an absolute disgrace to the club.

Someone commented earlier, Ancelotti is available?

I think the main problem with playing the kids is that they're going to struggle for at least one game in every three – Koeman knows that, and he's tried to tell the fans that.

I don't think we can take much more of this. It is going nowhere fast – or slow if you draw the analogy on the pitch.

I didn't think it could get much worse – but tonight proved me wrong.

We are a million miles short of mediocrity. If there was a semblance of promise, a glimmer of hope, a hint of better days ahead, I would continue to support him. There is not a fucking sign. I am done with him. The line-up tonight was insane. Paceless, devoid of guile and width, utterly woeful.

He will not be sacked but in my view he is no longer fit to be our coach. To those who called this some time ago, I think you got it right.

It may have been asking too much of Williams to babysit both Holgate and Kenny. Holgate certainly has a lot to learn, and Kenny didn't show anything down the right. In fact Martina has been more industrious down the right flank. It didn't help Kenny that he didn't have any help down that side, but then neither does Martina.

At least Vlasic was positive and looks a confident lad. That's more than can be said for several of the others.

I just can't make my mind up about Rooney. He certainly works hard and he did score, but he doesn't create anything, and he takes up positions that Sigurdsson would. Every time Sigurdsson lined up a free kick, he had Rooney in his ear advising him. Why? Sigurdsson is one of the best in the Premier League at free kicks, don't get in his head when he's lining it up. Let him play.

I can't help but think that Sigurdsson would step up if Rooney wasn't in the team.

Amateurish defeating, lack-lustre midfield, slow build-up and no cutting edge. Rooney is slowing down everything, and while he seems to be playing better than most, his role is stifling the team.

Sorry to say, but the other youngsters didn't impress at all. Davis looked like a headless chicken at times, while Holgate and Kenny looked very raw tonight. Only Calvert-Lewin looks the part at present. Everyone else just looked bog average.

As these are good players when given a plan, the buck must stop with Koeman. His lack of motivational skills, team selection and tactics are unbelievable. He hasn't a clue what his best team is. (I don't either but I'm not the one on the training pitch every day.)

It's all going to end in tears unless we take action now! The Burnley game could be the game-changer!

If we fail to beat Burnley on Sunday, then I can see tulip balls getting the boot. He combines the worst of Moyes and Martinez with none of their positives.

No focal point, just a new signing sacrificed as a centre forward learning the English game.

My arl fella took up the walking football thing a couple of years ago, this lot look a set of zombies droning around the pitch.

Whatever the options are to replace him, and in Everton's stupidity there might be none, that would be better than waiting for a team sheet with all the unpredictability of day following night.

Its so predictable, are we caught in groundhog day? If feels like it.

The absence of Calvert-Lewin was criminal, or any player that can carry the ball; Vlasic & Lookman. Fair does to Vlasic, bright, clever and took his goal with great confidence.

We are in a lot of trouble, and messing around dithering over keeping Koeman or no just makes it worse.

Concession of poor goals is becoming a habit and the signs of a manager who has lost his grip.

Koeman continues to pack and stack the midfield. Even when he changes it he puts another midfielder in a wide position, instead of pacemen specifically in their position... my goodness.

Missed sitters, bad central defending from Williams and Holgate (drop the pair of them they have been dire and responsible for so many goals) no pace no idea poor tactics..

As bad a team performance I have seen only surpassed by bad team selection and game management.

It was crying out for pace. It was awful.

Damning.

It feels like the same mistakes are being made over and over again. Perhaps the sooner we're out of Europe the better. It's sickening to watch.

This manager is playing the same formation, same line up almost week-in & week-out and it's the same rubbish zero confidence, zero attacking threat. Is Koeman upsetting the players hence why they're not performing!!?

Sigurdsson is the future, Rooney is a good backup, but that's it, as far as I'm concerned.

Williams must surely be on borrowed time!!!

He is a total liability.

If you want to play a pressing game, it's better to play pacy players who press the other team back. It always takes an hour for him to do this.

I've previously said it would be best to give him till Christmas to let the new players bed in. I wouldn't be upset if he was sacked tomorrow.

The second half was much better, led by Vlasic, who must start on the left and Calvert-Lewin, another certain starter. Davies was poor, but should start, we need his energy.

Our problem against Burnley will be defensive if Jagielka and Keane or still out. Holgate is not ready for central defence and Williams error prone. Kenny, who I like, did his chances no good at all with an insipid performance. This will be Koeman's last role of the dice.

List three positive aspects of Koeman's stewardship and outline your positive, constructive arguement to retain him.

And they did look "up for it" which is a bit unfair as it immediately puts us at a disadvantage.

I hope we learned from the Martinez fiasco and put a performance-related clause in the manager's contract.

Desperate times.

If it's the same in two months time then we are going to be in big trouble.

It's not the players, it's the manager. He doesn't have a clue.

Koeman hasn't got a clue, he is sadly disassociated now in his interviews, like a man who is desperate to be put out of his misery. He clearly knows he is crap now.

Koeman has had to change every starting eleven after watching his first choice plan fall apart.

Rooney hogs the play and is past it. Terrible mistake bringing him back.

How can you win games when we play with our backs to the goal in the opposition half?

𧶀m spent and ٤m a season for the worst football since Walter Smith.

No striker to even give us a glimmer of hope.

Terrible man-management.

This will not all suddenly 'gel' or 'click into place.' Too many mistakes made in the summer transfer market.

All this, and I actually wanted him as our manager. Sometimes, every party has to admit it will never work. Sensible people will come to a decision, and everyone has to cut their losses.

Time to 'bite the bullet' and send him on his way.

Kenny was not great but he needs a wide player in front of him. He, Davies, Calvert-Lewin and Vlasic will provide great energy if the right players are around them and surely a Lookman is worth some games too.

Koeman was hardly inspirational in his interview and his days must surely be numbered. A defeat on Sunday would be very damaging to him but surely we can beat Burnley at home... surely?????

The Kenwright PR department will be working overtime tonight to try and cover up this latest fuckup. Koeman out!!

https://twitter.com/btsportfootball/status/913515312125026306

So at 1-1, I expected the introduction of Vlasic to enable us to be more attacking and go on to win with little fuss.

We made hard work of it but finally the perseverance of Davies, some class from Rooney and Sigurdsson and then a wonderful finish from Vlasic and we looked set to go and win.

But no. The master tactician continues with his subs he'd been preparing before the goal, on they go. One I agreed with, the other not. He's exchanged our box-to-box midfielder (who has played with Kenny dozens of times) for an out of sorts Klaassen who then continually misplaces passes, we lose our momentum and then he gives away the free kick for their goal. It was so unnecessary. It was like Koeman was trying to even things up for the neutral!

How often does a team at home surrender a 2-1 lead to 10 men?

Koeman is not learning from his tactical mistakes. In every game I see, we look better after his subs – isn't that an admission that he got his starting line up wrong, especially when it is happening every game?

There was a comparison made between Koeman and Van Gaal on TV. Our tactics are certainly looking lifeless and very rigid.

Koeman needs to improve. There is only so long that he can keep on repeating the rhetoric about confidence, aggression, mistakes etc. He needs to choose the right line ups to allow the players to perform well and gain confidence.

All this for ٤m per annum – ye gods

Conte - Determined, organised, winner.
Guardiola - Football at any cost.
Mourinho/Ferguson - Win at any cost, 2nd place is nowhere.
Pulis - Stubborn and dull.
Klopp - Entertaining but not all there.
Southgate - Why? What?
Koeman - Dour, shite, living on past glories.

This team and it's style of play represent Koeman and his philosophy, his personality. Nothing will change until the man in charge changes; and Koeman will not be changed, like Martinez and Moyes before him.

Moyes is the classic example. We gave him Yakubu and Johnson, and they were thrilling together. Then Moyes put his personality and philosophy on them; and they were chasing back and forgot what they were capable of.

We need a manager/leader who can convince the players they are capable of so much more than Koeman does, just not the insane levels of confidence that a Martinez or Klopp possess. I don't know who that manager is, but I am 100% certain who it isn't.

But you know with our lot they will hang on and hang on till it's too late to rectify it this season.

Koeman and Everton are a laughing stock in the media. He must go before he does any further damage to our great club.

Bench Rooney on Sunday, start Sigurdsson in the middle with Vlasic to the left of him, and Calvert-Lewin up front.

I have disagreed with you for some time. You were right, Kevin.

If "Koeman Out" is boring, then how would you describe his crazy, ill thought-out football? He brought Klaassen on to play on the right, even though he's too slow to play in the middle at the minute?

Positive tonight was Sigurdsson, he looks a very good player, but will only improve if the manager improves the personnel, the system, and plays him in his right position. I'm not holding my fuckin breath though.

He agreed and we left for a chinky take-out as we had no tea.

Utterly atrocious performance.

If that's going to happen, he's got me and thousands of others fooled, mate. I can't see for the life of me what the overall strategy is. There isn't a single indicator this is going to get any better.

I never want to see us get beat but hopefully draws will see us exit the Europa League and concentrate on staying in the Premier League. We really are that bad.

There are no signs that the manager has the skills to lift us out of the dire shit his tactics and team selections are putting us in.

We have to accept that the skill levels of our players are mid table at best and we need someone, anyone, who is able to motivate these overpaid clowns to actually get to and stay mid table.

The excuses we here would be laughable if they weren't so concerning. Players "getting used to each other" shouldn't prevent them being able to pass to each other.

As well as the managers failed parts, tactics and team selection, motivation and man management are other required attributes, well I suggest he's failed miserably there too.

Best to part company sooner rather than later, and who to put in? Well, anyone would do better than Koeman to be honest.

The only players to come out of that performance with any credibility are Baines, Kenny, Vlasic and Calvert-Lewin.

Darren Hind constantly says we play zombie football but if you've watched an episode of the Walking Dead you'd know that zombies do something in every show that we're unable to do, and that's go fucking forward!

They finished with ten men tonight but we didn't have any advantage because:

a) Rooney is half a yard short of pace and despite the odd very good ball doesn't do enough to warrant his place.

b) Sigurdsson is the same but without the odd very good ball.

c) Sandro just isn't good enough at the moment and although people say "new league" new country" etc how come Vlasic seems to have managed the change.

d) Schneiderlin MUST be under orders not to pass in a forward direction if a backward pass is possible (although he near gave me a heart attack when he sprinted forward ONCE in the second half and went past two players.

e) Williams is shite.

I can't remember us being THIS bad last season when people were saying we're only two or three players from being a very good side. At a conservative estimate we're about seven short this season.

I couldn't wait to leave my seat and eacape!

A team with no adventure, has the players trying to score absolute worldies?

I could forgive Calvert-Lewin, given his age, and his inexperience, but what Rooney tried tonight was fucking ridiculous, and maybe told us a bigger story.

A top class manager wouldn't accept this type of play, unless he's fucking lost it, and realises the players must have no faith in the system... just a thought.

If only we played players with pace from the start. International break may see a change at the top.

Hope... if something doesn't happen very soon we will be lucky to stay up. It feels like we are stuck and no hope of an easy way out.

Start with Calvert-Lewin, Oumar and Vlasic v Burnley.. for the life of me I can't see us progressing in this Europa League, bar a miracle. No punch, passion, belief and until the subs we looked like a championship side.

Time soon to do a Reggy Perrin, the club should refund every one tonight, the latest disgrace to haunt this famous place..

SOS time.. no more to say.

If this was Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, Man Utd, they would look at what this manager has done over what is nearly a year and a half and say, "This is not good enough, you're gone."

But there is the question. Is this ownership actually ambitious or just making a shitload of money by owning a football club and making money off of naming rights and sponsorships?

What must he be thinking about this tulip brained manager of his with his gutless, boring tactics? I bet he wasn't promised these mindless tactics and cowardly decision making when he signed up for us.

I've never been a so-and-so out supporter but enough is enough. Koeman is becoming a caricature if his fellow Dutchman, Van Gaal with his arrogance and stubbornness. Time for action Moshiri if you are really serious about taking us forward. Don't let the rot become unstoppable.

The goal went in 2-1; no need to change it, Just let it settle down; NOPE, on comes Klaassen.

I really hope I'm missing something but fuck me, he needs to improve and fast. At least Sandro puts himself about and caused the error for the first goal, but Klaassen has produced nothing of note dice he arrived bar one challenge late on the penalty area.

Koeman needs to ditch his 3 number tens for Sunday and play with some pace: Vlasic, Lookman or Mirallas .

Danny Broderick (#103). You sum up a lot of the sentiments I have been feeling lately.

When I saw the team sheet immediately I wondered where everyone would play and where the width was coming from. I agreed with playing Kenny, but was such an inexperienced player expected to be both a competent defender and winger?

Williams, Baines and Rooney are in their 30s and being overplayed, it is that simple. Williams looked heavy legged tonight. Rooney was outstanding, he was everywhere, gave a damn and even when he passed it from deep, he was the one in the box trying to get on the end of a pass, where were the other younger players?

What system are we playing? Why have loads of wingers in the squad and hardly ever play them. Like many have said, we keep playing better after subs have come on and provided width, penetration and pace, so why are we not starting with them?

We were playing a Cypriot team at home and we couldn't beat them, the country has a population of less than 2,000,000.

Koeman needs to get things right asap and dispense with his unnecessarily convoluted system that just isn't working.

How did it get to this!!??

Koeman is quite simply failing in every department. The defence is disorganised and leaking goals. The midfield loses possession, lacks dynamism, no creativity, and no pace. The attack is one paced, lacking confidence, and predictable.

And yet, time and time again, Koeman is going with the same system, the same personnel. No risk taking, no adventure, and no results. For me he should have been gone after the Man Utd game.

The 4 winnable home games on the trot seemed to have been his hope to get things back on track.

So far, we almost lost yet managed to fluke a win in one, and drew against 10-men from a ridiculously weak league (any decent PL team should be winning this 3/4/5-0 easily). Got to go.

Let's try for Tuchel or Ancelotti (£6 million a year we pay Koeman, enough to attract someone of this stature). If not, give Unsworh til December.

Lose a few more games, be in the bottom five around December and the board may be forced to act but Kenwright prides himself on being 'patient' with managers. I don't want Crystal Palace level impatience but Koeman has had some time now. No sign of improvement equals time for a change...

"But we have bought potentially great Under-23s."

Sound. Man Utd must be made up we babysit for them.

If that isn't striking alarm bells with the club hierarchy, then we could be going back to scrapping it out in a relegation battle come April.

He's a shit manager? Well, tell me that in December. Tonight we played well enough to win. In this bad start to the season we look like a team that will never score goals but we forget sometimes that for the last three seasons when Lukaku went into one of his funks we looked like a team that would ever score another goal.

This is a team that has some brilliant players but they need a little time. This is a team that will click. I am still happy with all of the summer signings and the manager and the direction of the club. I think now is the time that Evertonians need to stay positive and support the players and manager while they work through this bonding period. Let's not get all panicky – it's unbecoming.

RK, of course, inherited a fine set of players and has been given a good budget. I look at what we have on the books and there's definitely some gems there.

When we get to such moments, I think in terms of who is at fault? Is it the squad or the manager? With Martinez - manager. Smith - both! Hence why I was stunned when Moyes did what he did. Walker - manager. I look at our players - Baines is still a good left back, Jags is worth having, Pickford I like, Gana, Davies, Barkley, Rooney, Mirallas, Vlasic, Sigg, DCL...all good players and we should be doing better by now.

Therefore my thought is that another manager could get more out of these players.

Someone was criticising Everton's crowd the other day on ToffeeWeb, saying we don't sing, we moan, and although I think the fans are showing remarkable levels of patience right now, it's not going to last, unless something changes very quickly.

Don't even go there. ,"Real Evertonians"

Don't even go there. ,Turned off,BlueKfrog,0,23:24:23,,5.64.193.206,ok,1191,09/28/2017 23:24:23,tulway26,reader,, 854929,35569,toffeeweb,28/09/2017,Stewart Lowe,stewartlowes@hotmail.co.uk,"This is the most talented group of players since the 1980s, Koeman simply hasn't got a system in which to play them. All summer I kept thinking, another midfielder??? But I kept reassuring myself that Koeman and Walsh know what they are doing, and that they have a format in which all these players would fit.

What's the point of buying lots of players that are great at set pieces and then no striker to put them away? We may as well have only bought a striker and no set piece takers as we would have reached the same consistent conclusion and saved money. Very narrow formation, very slow paced, no link up play, too many players out of position, no focal point.

I know it's very easy to say this now but I never wanted Koeman in the first place, as I thought his name preceded his ability. Its not too late to bring in Carlo Ancelotti or other manager of that Ilk who has won a lot and say, do what you can with this squad and we will give you 𧴜m for players in January to try and push on for Europe from there.

Surely thats the point of realisation?

Once I couldn't make a positive argument for his selections/formations I knew that was it.

Sad times. Lets, hopefully, move on from him.

What excuse has he got?

We've gone backward's this on a par with the early Moyes day's when we had no cash and had to make do with second rate player's!!

Koeman out!

What formation where we playing? Rooney was at left back again... Baines playing as a wing back, but in a four man defence?

Can't defend, players out of position, Koeman has turned it around all right, he's turned it so far round we are back to square one

Only players to come out that with any credit were John Joe Kenny and both Vlasic and Calvert-Lewin when they came on.

Roon-eh?... has-been who scored a lucky tap-in... Too many Number 10s and no decent striker replacement. Mug.

Even my head is now sore from banging on about Koeman and actually you are right the the board (we still don't really know whos in charge) need to speak up set the agenda. Cut lose or be clear what they expect.

If this is true then I'm baffled even more, because this is how most second rate teams have always been coached in how to play the game. It has no real,thought behind it, and is also very easy to play against, especially when your team doesn't possess any real pace.

Someone said the Cypriots, are 8th in there league, but they just pushed a player, out wide tonight, in a position to cut off our out ball to the fullback, and this stifled our width even more than it normally does, (if that's possible) until Vlasic, came on.

Players out wide need support, not fucking iscolation, and whilst I understand Mike Dolan, I just don't understand Ronald Koeman, and his bizarre second rate tactics, at the minute.

I also thought Tom Davies was good tonight. He makes mistakes but because he's so lively, not to worry, he'll come along to do something positive within moments.

Gana was good as well. RK subbed off the wrong DM.

So fed up listening to others banging on about yesteryear... get over it boys, it's 2017 and the game we knew once doesn't compare... So stop the bullshit comparison: "Blah blah... when Kevin Sheedy and Howard Kendall did this" bullshit...

It's been said, this is football 2017... nothing matters what you think because we're in the now!

Everton that.

At half-time, I messaged my son: "So slow, frightened to pass forward, awful again. Everything has to go via Rooney. Width and pace required urgently." If it is so obvious to us all, why not to him?

Probably best we don't get out of the group. Need to save ourselves for what is looking like an inevitable relegation battle. We are awful. Utterly devoid of confidence and character.

No longer the Toffees. Now the Crabs (can only go sideways and at a walking pace). And if I could think of an animal that predominantly goes backwards then it would no longer be the Crabs.

I'm one of the few that went the the Oxford FA Cup game when Inchy scored and saved Kendall's bacon. This gave us the confidence to move forward and develop into a good team.

We need some inspiration from the players to get things right. I have read all the points on team selection on this site; when Koeman plays the young players he still gets brickbats. It so easy making throwaway points and not being accountable. Give him time; he can and does attract top players.

Koeman has taken a squad of talented players and turned them into a team devoid of passion, direction and confidence. Even the bloody match commentators could see it and were spot on in saying this was a team who were not receiving any direction from the bench whatsoever. Koeman has to go because he is sucking the lifeblood out of talented players who deserve to be coached in a far more positive way than he is capable of.

The fans booing at the end said it all really. Not even halfway through the season and he has totally lost the plot, refuses to change his as yet unidentified system and is once again blaming the players for his own shortcomings as a coach.

To use an old phrase, it's a bad workman who blames his tools. Well, Mr Six Million Pound coach, Koeman, the players are your tools and it's your job to get the best out of them. Their failure is I'm afraid, your failure and your responsibility.

Koeman is quite clearly not capable of learning from his mistakes, hence his continued selection of an unbalanced team with no pace, width or penetration. Again, the commentators mentioned all these things and if they can see what we are all seeing, then why can't Koeman?

More to the point, what the hell is the board going to do about the situation? We have a lame duck manager who, just like his predecessor, refuses to see any faults in himself.

The only bright spot in tonight's game was the performance of Vlasic, a really good find. I had a feeling Koeman's decision to foolishly include Barkley in his Euro squad at at he expense of Niasse might come back and bite us on the bum. Why the hell did he include a player who is out till Christmas at least and who obviously doesn't want to play for us.

His decision making sucks, his tactics are unfathomable and his man management stinks. Apart from that, he's doing okay... NOT!

When he was appointed I was pretty happy as many were that we had appointed a decent coach to push us on.

The big question is though “what's happened to him?”

The summer recruitment and subsequent line ups, tactics and substitutions are questionable.

He is becoming a master of his own downfall. Only one man can change this now. Koeman.

He said "It's fucking nap isn't it"

I said "If there wasn't so much fucking lead on the poxy roof, I'd get onto my bet365 account and stick 20 nick..."

2-2.

For. Fucks. SAKE!!.

Right now even a bad plan would be an improvement.

Currently, we seem to have no plan.

None.

What is his gameplan?
What is his tactical system?
What is his philosophy?...

Because, from where I'm sitting, I don't see any evidence at all that Koeman has any real idea or plan. Game after game, we just look like a gang of individuals who only met each other 10 minutes before kick off!!

By now, there should be be some indication from our performances as to how Koeman wants us to play and progress, irrespective of results. What I mean is that surely by now, we should be seeing the development of a recognised method and style of playing. But we don't – it's a total mish-mash!!I

I have no idea as to how Koeman wants to play... does anyone?? The players' body language also gives off an air of doubt and uncertainty, which can't be right!!

I hate the idea of calling for Koeman's head after less than 18 months, but something has to change... pretty sharpish, methinks!!

I am sorry fellow TW'ers, but Koeman hasn't got a clue what he is doing, we have many good players, who have suddenly become, poor players.

There has to be one and only solution, if he has any modicum of decency, he will admit, he has bitten off more than he could ever imagined, he could chew.

Resign now Ron, before you take this once great Club, beyond the point of no return.

Koeman exemplifies mediocrity as a manager, with seriously limited man-management skills (Niasse, Lookman, Mirallas and possibly Barkley all seem to have suffered). Of course, I may be mistaken though.

It is not like he has just taken over he has had 3 transfer windows and has brought in nearly a new team, these are players he has given the green light to sign. He might not be involved in the negotiations regarding transfers and contracts, but he says yes or no if the player fits the way he wants to play.

Southampton, whoever takes them on, have a team and style of play that attracts good technical footballers who want to play football. Not players who look good going around in circles with their first preference is to pass backwards.

Koeman and Co had a year and a half to start scouting for a striker, that's how long they new so if they cant find and sign a striker in that time then maybe the board should find people who can. Koeman is destroying this team and their confidence, the team has seen what happens to players who try and be creative and attack teams – just ask Barkley.

Big teams take swift action when things are clearly not working – Everton and Koeman are clearly not working.

He's a fraud like Martinez before him who has got to be given the bullet because he's too stuborn to change whatever the fuck his philosphy is to simplify the game and get back to basics with players playing in their correct position, some width and pace, with two up top from time to time, is not too much to ask.

He may have been a great player but he's a shite manager who is stealing a living based on past glories.

We have had 14 months of this shite– enough is enough!!!

I would imagine, maybe I am wrong, that, although Moshiri knows little about football in general, he has enough acumen, to realise that something is not right!

He will have also noticed, by sight or financially, that the the amount of attendees, at any given match, is dwindling, this is when he will ask the relevant questions, within.

I have also listened to his post-match interview, he, (Koeman) is not to blame, the players are?

We can't carry on like this much longer, just wait and see, I think there will be some action soon.

Well, I sincerely hope so, for the benefit of all, and mostly for the great Club that Everton, once was!

A nap, as always, no matter who is the manager.

The board need to roll the dice, and I'd like it to land on Unsworth.

When the substitution finally comes he brings on Klassen...a player I like...but fucking hell, get someone on like Lookman who is going to stretch the opposition.

I disagree with Eugene, I think Koeman does have a plan. He wants to make the pitch as narrow as possible. It's like he's trying to find the most difficult way to score goals.

Is it coincidence that every central midfielder at the club is having a terrible run of form? He brings on Vlasic, and he lights the place up by comparison. The solution is staring the manager in the face and he's too stubborn or too stupid to see it.

Dear god! I'd give the man more time...but it's getting worse, not better. Absolutely hopeless.

I didn't get to see the game live but highlights seem to show we were in control, just not putting the ball in, so not sure what to feel about the game. I do agree with the assessment of Koeman's tactics. WTF is there a need for two defensive midfielders? And despite being so heavy defensively, we conceded first!?!?!

I said before I will give him a few more games but surely Moshiri gotta keep an eye out for a replacement if this goes over the deep end.

A manager who knows how to place a player in their natural position whilst at the same time generating pace & fluidity throughout the team is a must.

The players (excluding a world class striker) are there. We just need someone to manage and direct them.

Another game crying out for Lookman.

COYB

Apart from the blip of City at home, made by youngsters, Koeman's plans have consistently been crap.

And not once this season, no matter the opposition, have we played well for more than 20-30 minutes.

From this, it looked like we started badly but created a lot of chances after that, and that Tom Davies was involved in everything good.

But everyone who saw the game thinks we played badly – maybe influenced by the fact that we conceded a late goal to 10 men?

Truly atrocious that performance, even if DCL had headed that winner, its just another moment in papering over the almightiest arsecrack of infinity.

‘Lest not forget that Cypriot side were begging to be beat. They were comically bad, their centre half offered Koeman a Kevin Brockish back pass, gifted to the returning prodigal son.

We looked that Cypriot bearing a gift straight in the eyes and spurned it like so much milk.

That was the time to seize the game, Ronald knew better though preferring to hypnotise them into submission.

Even then the gifts kept coming a Rooney Hollywood pass takes the crazy golf route to Sigurdsson who passes forward, Vlasic undimmed by the crab football we play finished out of step with the game. Aplomb I say!

The Cypriots now fully under Koeman's hypnotic trance offered up their final gift, a crunching mistimed studs up assault on the budding maestro, Calvert-Lewin.

Hurrah victory is thine, erm not so fast there mate.

Having ignored all the help on offer, Koeman looks on cluelessly as his stardustman Ziggy and the callow ‘youth Holgate are outjumped by the very same Kevin Brock reincarnated as Yuste the moustachioed Cypriot pornstar

Ron-laa is not me, its you mate, time to see other people, go on a break, best not to call. See ya around.

We have two ex Evertonians in Ferguson and Unsworth who at least know the team and I am sure they could never do any worse than what Koeman is doing. Man Utd got rid of Van Gaal and Chrystal Palace got rid of De Boer. We need to get rid of one more dumb Dutchman. No manager Everton have ever had has had so much money to spend and up to now seems to have wasted it.

Koeman's lack of success is so similar to what Van Gaal did to Man Utd. When he was there all the players seemed to get in each others way. He looked clueless and managed to blame the players for the mistakes he made. He also lost the players.

This is exactly what Koeman is doing. I still think we have many really good lads in the team and they only need someone who can restore confidence. Koeman is not that man.

Or let's give Unsworth a chance!

Anyone but this pretender.

Me too, I thought Davies was very poor, his head down enthusiasm got him into trouble many times.

Once again a boring night and no entertainment or plan to really win the game.

There can be little excuse for the manager now and when the time comes he will probably be sacked. There should also be few players joining him in the next window as well.

Stewart Lowe@149 Is surely taking the piss suggesting, "This is the most talented group of players since the 1980s,". I wonder if he was the one who started that slogan when Martinez was in charge.

This must be a wind up, surely! You only watch the highlights and yet believe the view of people who actually went to the match or saw the whole match could be clouded because of the last 10 minutes? Seriously??? Come on.

Let me tell you, we were disgustingly poor. Absolutely shocking.

Sad to say, Davies had a game to forget but was still not even close to being our worst performer.

It might help a few of them if they could play in their own position, or at least the same position for more than one game. Rotation is for stable, established teams/squads. I don't think many of the players know their arse from their elbow under this manager.

Sean Dyche will probably have a lie-in today, the best night of sleep he's had in many a year.

We won't get to the knock out stages – we will be embarrassed a lot more before then. The players aren't crap – the manager is. Why won't he pick the youngsters? Why does he play players out of position? Why? Because the guy is useless!

The way he slagged the players off for being "scared" is unforgivable. That should bring the end to his tenure at this now sad club.. We have been embarrassed too long, a laughing stock, relegation certainties. If or when we go down, it will be a long time before we get back into the Premier League unless Koeman goes

Since moving back to UK at the start of the season, I have not watched or wanted to watch Everton play – is that sad or what?

Severely depressed and bored with Everton so far, and seriously I cannot motivate myself.

The manager, recruits, selects, trains, chooses tactics and formations and above all motivates his players. Koeman seems to be failing on all counts.

This team we were playing yesterday, represents one of the minor leagues of Europe, but they were motivated and understood their tactics. Our team weren't and didn't.

I rest my case.

Williams looks mentally slow, especially this season... like his mind is elsewhere. Rooney often looks like our best player, but I can't see how he fits into a team desperate for pace and width.

Oh dear how can Koeman pick one of his marquee signings?? Klaassen cannot be in the team at the moment.
Sandro looks committed, but he is not doing nearly enough to warrant a starting role.

I woke up thinking about an attacking line up to face Burnley. Koeman needs help from us lot here to pick a proper balanced side with the players we have got. There's no way he can do it on his own.

Side to play Burnley:

Pickford
Kenny Williams (no choice) Holgate Baines
Vlasic Gana Sigurdsson Davies
Calvert-Lewin Niasse.

Fuck it, Ron, just let's go for it! Stop thinking defensively all the time.

I don't want to see a game where 10 or 12 players are mincing and battling around in midfield for 90 minutes. Especially against teams who were way below us last season.

I want to see an attacking line up that sees us on the front foot from the start .It would make a pleasant change.

The absence of a quality striker is without doubt the biggest issue and the team looks fragile with low confidence. Koeman's many critics were calling him for not playing the kids but Kenny and Davies both looked anxious and the atmosphere was bordering on toxic at times: it is no searing insight to say this doesn't help.

The time to judge him is at the end of the season when we can see if there anything in the team to work and there must be a story why there isn't a forward. Confidence is a wonderful thing and I can remember the team that was shite until things clicked at Oxford and all the experts on the Gwladys Street calling for Kendall to be sacked.

For the time being we are stuck with Koeman so support the team and, if we do get rid, give Unsworth a go.

Why do we always start off so sluggishly, well I suggest you watch the pre match warm up. There is a total lack of intensity, I would go as far as saying it's totally pointless.

The board must realise that the club is in doodoo big time. Koeman must go now.

Instead I find my views are hardening by the minute. Having read most of the reports on last night's debacle, it seems the fans, the press and the TV pundits are, for once, almost universally united in their condemnation of Koeman's Everton.

Talk sport have published a selection of Twitter posts to their site, posted since the game. 100% in favour of sacking the Dutch master in charge of the total collapse of Everton as an effective team unit.

Slow, ponderous, lacking any pace whatsoever, players looking demoralised and dejected (while the game was in progress), lacking any sense of direction with no guidance coming from the touchline, a dispirited set of players, clearly lacking in confidence and leadership. Those are just a few of the comments from the media. TV pundits absolutely scathing in their condemnation of Koeman's tactics and overall leadership.

Perhaps the most telling one I've seen so far, is that the Burnley game has taken on all the proportions of a six-pointer, a game that if lost, could make Everton a prime candidate for a relegation battle.

As usual Koeman, like all bad managers blames everyone but himself, now blaming the players collectively for being scared and afraid to play football. He says he needs to work on their confidence... Der. Isn't that something he should be doing every day as the coach? Telling them they are good enough to win games, motivating them, using skilled man-management techniques to build that confidence in order to get the best out of them?

Bayern yesterday sacked one of the top coaches in the world because they are not satisfied with results so far this early in the season and they are only third in the Bundesliga.

We made Koeman one of the best paid coaches in the world, for what? To let him oversee the sinking of the good ship Everton

I've never see so many empty seats as I did last night. Will dwindling attendances get a message through to Moshiri? How much more of this fraud will the board accept before taking action?

A big team with ambition would take decisive action now, before it's too late.

8-hour round trip to watch that muck; no thanks. I've better things to be doing like clearing the garage out...

Seriously, what has he served up this season?? Utter guff. Schneiderlin is terrible, Williams... if he was a horse, would already be put down – he is clearly our worst player in the squad by a long way. And the squeezing his No 10s in really grinds my gears.

I left before they equalised last night due to traffic and being bored; I wasn't at all surprised to hear the score on the radio. Koeman Out! 13 games this season – same tripe in every single one of those games.

I live an eight-hour round trip from Exeter, but if you want a hand clearing out your garage...

We are not going to improve under RK last night was the same as the first pre season game. Awful to watch

I'd sack him today if I had the chance as he appears to be fucking clueless. Ancellotti, Tuchel, ffs even Benitez would be an improvement over this bugger.

He shouldn't be given more time because he was a successful player. Gary Neville got the push fairly promptly once it was clear he was out of his depth and Koeman has displayed quite clearly that he is also out of his depth.

His selections are repetitively wrong, as is the balance of the team. He regularly blames the players and has only admitted that he prepared us badly on one occasion. His subs are usually also hard to fathom, and of course the results are also poor.

This is a results business. We can stomach losing to Spurs, Man Utd and Chelsea. However the manner of the performances, the tactics and the obsession with two defensive midfielders in every game and his devotion to the three number tens is plain daft. These are mistakes that most of us all recognise. It ain't rocket science.

The home game against a tough Burnley side that are well-drilled and won handsomely at Chelsea, will potentially be his last chance. Another home defeat (which looks very possible) would surely force the board to act.

The squad has injuries, but most teams do. We all knew we needed another centre-half whilst Funes Mori was out, as well as a winger, and a proper striker. We are now papering over the cracks, as the signing of a utility lad like Martina has signalled.

Why did we not get Giroud? Why was Vardy not chased as an alternative, or even a punt on Chris Wood for example?

We are watching a team mismanaged, confidence levels are plummeting and results are getting harder to achieve. If this guy continues, we will be in the bottom half all season, with a real chance of being sucked into the relegation scrap.

So, so, sad to see this happening to our Club, but as Gloria Gaynor said in her epic song ' We Will Survive '.

I just hope we get a manager that thrives on having a really slow squad full of youngsters who aren't ready and experienced players who are not going to get better. We will fly once we find this man.

As for us. No idea how we will be set up at the weekend. The team yesterday on paper looked okay. Good enough to win. I initially liked the idea of Koeman based on what I had seen at Southampton, but the reality is as it is not good.

As a manager, he cannot be totally responsible for the giveaway 1st goal, the way Klaassen conceded the free-kick or the inability to pass to a player in their own shirt.

The players need to take responsibility for that.

Koeman pretty much responsible for the rest.

So that's sorted then, they just need more confidence.

We can relax as the problem's been identified and in Ronald, we deffo have the man to sort it.

Pictures an unsmiling Ronald, eating a sausage roll, looming over Davies in the changies...

"You played shit. Don't play shit, play good."

The boss scrunches up a small paper Greggs bag, drops it and volleys it perfectly into a waste paper bin 20 feet away.

RK: "Can YOU do that? I think you can't Tom. Not in the first holff or the second holff."

Davies (head covered in flakey pastry) immediately cacks 3lb of piccalilli into his bills, breaks into a sweat and a day later is hauled off for 6 months psychotherapy (club psychotherapist claims "Barkley, Niasse, now this lad? I'm run off me fuckin' feet here!").

Probably.

They look up, they have no space, they challenge for the same balls, they look to the wings, there's no-one there. They all look to each other to lead the team. And when he brings on pace and gives the team shape, they play better His players, his team, his tactics, his congestion, his confusion.

When good players, many of whom were leaders at previous clubs are performing poorly and shrinking into the blades of grass, there is one large reason for the lack of confidence.

His fate depends on the pride and stubbornness of his employers.

Right, need to get back to my game of "thrones".

To be honest, both of our goals were due to mistakes by Limassol defenders. In fairness so were their goals but we are a top 8 Prem team and they are not. This should have been an easy game.

Vlasic looked great and for me was by far our player of the game. There was one moment in the game where Rooney won the ball down the right and sent in a cross and there was no-one there to meet it. Sigurdsson was strolling outside the box. Even the commentators recognised that and pointed it out.

There is no fire in their hearts anymore and this shows that Koeman has lost the dressing room. Time for him to go.

Why not the same to Schneiderlin, Gana, Sigurdsson Klaassen etc etc? At a time when we are playing worse football.

Koeman's man-management and game management are awful.

- Team in free fall
- No striker
- Best player injured
- half (or holff as Eugene brilliantly noted) the team out of form.

The solution is to sack this muppet and install Rhino.

Get back to basics and rebuild confidence.

If he is left in charge so much more damage will be done to team morale.

Also the squad is stupidly bloated and mismanaged.

The following players did not play yesterday:

- Martina
- Lookman
- Mirallas
- Besic
- Lennon
- Niasse
- Tarashaj
- Robles
- Stek

The following will return from Injury:

- Barkley
- McCarthy
- Funes
- Keane
- Jags
- Bolasie
- Coleman

That is 16 players on top of the 15 who played last night.

Absurdly bloated and mismanaged squad. Three out of the 4 natural wingers are fit and have hardly featured. Nonsense.

We have plenty of pace in the squad, it just isn't being used!

And while myself and a few others were laughed at for thinking we were in danger of blowing big money on players who had hit their peak, the masses were delighted selling Lukaku and hearing Barkley was going whilst spouting empty nonsense about ambition and doing things the right way.

It's been a pitiful plan from top to bottom since march last season. Joining the elite is just words. It will never happen with a squad full of slow has-beens.

There is a certain amount of balance with a dedicated rightback on the pitch who can both defend and attack. Jon-Joe proves this. Calvert Lewin makes an immediate impact when coming on and leads the line more effectively than anyone else we have.

We have more to us going forward when Davies is on the pitch, because he gets forward.

Niasse for all his flaws is an excellent substitute for when the opposition defence is tiring, and his average technique won't cost the team as much as when the opposition is still fresh.

Christ, heaven forbid if Barkley was fit and staying. The ability to combine all of the elements that work with his drive from midfield would completely change our ability to turn teams over.

My biggest concerns though remain. Schneiderlin is woefully out of form. Defensively he is achieving less than the formation requires of him.

Calvert-Lewin is still a kid and can't have the pressures of full on his shoulders at the first choice striker, it could easily break him as much as make him.

And finally. Our defence lacks any semblance of pace or control, that you would require for Koeman's preferred tactic of passing a team to do with a high line.

Ashley Williams is so slow the whole defence drops deeper to compensate and creates a massive gap between our defence and midfield when we are pushed up attacking.

Putting a positive spin on things, we've won 2 and drawn one of our last 3 games.

Apart from that, we're shit.

The thing that saddens me as some other posters have said.
We are the worse team to watch at present. That in itself is down to Ronald.

He's not. He was dog shit in the first half. Popped up in the left back positions a few times which I could appreciate had he been tracking back in defence but that wasn't the case. We had the ball and Apollon had got back into position. He's our forward FFS. With him in the team we're depriving a player with pace from being on the field.

We were excellent for a large part of the second half and if Koeman can't see why that was then he deserves the sack. This has been going on far too long now.

Some have said he is our best defender and his effort is correct, but his lack of pace and knack of coming up with a clanger are really damaging our chances.

People are saying that we have problems going forward, but for me the bigger worry is at the back. It needs sorting asap and Williams needs to be cut adrift.

I posted a few days ago that the run from the 20th September (Sunderland) through to the end of October would be defining with essentially nothing to be pessimistic about with the possible exception of Arsenal and Lyon although Chelsea have now been thrown into the mix, so realistically that challenge will in all likelihood be the end of our League Cup involvement.

I would love to be dancing on the furniture with us having achieved min 7 league points (or, Saints alive, 9 points) and retained our interest in the Europa League by beating Lyon, but I would have to accept an inevitable loss to Chelsea.

If my first predicted scenario, or worse transpires – see Koeman walking (if he's still around). From his point of view, despite the financial consequences to him of doing that, and the fact it will show up as a failure, it will look better on his cv than having being sacked, and I don't think he's walking the breadline.

It remains to be seen – if the worst comes to the worst – if Moshiri has the balls to pull the trigger sooner rather than later. We can't use Martinez as a template for the size of his balls because RM was halfway out of the door by the time he arrived and that was a pretty easy task. Koeman, on the other hand is Moshiri's man, and that makes it harder for him.

I, like most on here I hope, do not WANT Koeman to fail. On the contrary I know we would all rather be shouting his name from the roof tops but I am in agreement that the signs are pretty ominous so far.

I hope that our board has not got it's collective ostrich heads buried in the sand and are proactively exploring replacement possibilities because I truly believe he might walk, but I hope above all else that my second scenario pans out and my furniture can look forward to a good old bashing by October 29th, and you never know - we might even still be in the League Cup.

Also, Schneiderlin has rated only one mention, can I take it that is on a par with his (usual) input?

People are calling for Tuchel or Ancelloti but surely the first name on the list, at least as first option/caretaker, is the man who has managed an Everton side to win something, knows the players and wouldn't need time to settle in, David Unsworth.

And we need McCarthy, Barks, Mirallas, Coleman, Lookman back in the team asap.

Klaassen started to wonder infield, ball-watching instead of holding his position, which left a big massive space on our right side. As I have said, square pegs...

Secondly, give the job to Rhino as Caretaker Coach of the first team until January.

Thirdly, sound out Tuchel; he can only say no, pay him his full whack, give him total control & support of our great club.

Fourthly, salvage our season, build for the next using our youth and fringe players and sell our ageing players one by one.

Fifthly, buy players that fit the system and start looking in the Premier League first and foremost.

Still a long way off what is required but encouraging. His dead-ball delivery remains disappointing though.

Playing 2 deep midfielders at home against a poor team like these is a joke.

Williams is shite, and has been all season. The sooner he's gone the better.

As for Rooney, I've been saying for weeks (as have a few on here), that he shouldn't be starting at all. He's finished, and with everything going on in his private life do we really expect any kind of half decent performance from him? But for some reason Koeman is scared to drop him. He shouldn't even be making the bench at the moment.

Calvert-Lewin and Lookman surely should be starting the game this weekend, with Sandro on the bench. Vlasic must also start too, he was a big improvement when he came on.

I'm not one for saying get rid of a manager, as I always think they deserve some time, and I said the same about Martinez. However, Koeman is into his 2nd season and has had more money to spend than our previous managers, yet has took the team backwards.

This is meant to be a new dawn, a new era for EFC. It's hardly looking that way at the moment.

New owner
New stadium (soon)
Same old problems on the pitch

Besides, if he were to be sacked, the compensation, he would be entitled to, would smack of being rewarded for failure.

The other aspect the hierarchy will be aware of, is that should a successor be appointed, as inevitably happens at most Clubs, the new manager will have his own agenda, regarding players.

A lot of players we have probably overspent on, would be surplus to his requirements, and he will have his own list of who he wants. All in all, not conducive, or at all ideal, towards any progress this or even next season, assuming we are still in the Premier League.

He is not good enough or passionate enough to be our manager, he told the media Tottenham were a team which we want to aspire to; this before we played them. He told the press Keane was suffering from a confidence crisis. He told TV that Barkley had not lived up to his hype; that's why he was dropped. If this man has any positive things to say about Everton, I think I must have missed them.

Will the Board sack him? That's the Million-Dollar Question?

"Our overall squad is decent, probably better than the Leicester City squad that won the title."

Oh my fucking god! You don't honestly believe that, do you? I can't believe some of our supporters, I really cant. We are fucking abysmal.

Under Moyes, we had some shit performances but we always got a reaction. This is happening every single game under this clown. We'll see the same on Sunday: Rooney, Schneiderlin, Sigurdsson, Williams, and Gueye will all start because the manager bought them, end of.

It'll be the usual slow, boring, pedestrian, non-creative drivel that's become the norm under Koeman. He's slowly destroying everyone's passion for the club; it's mind-numbing and horrible to watch

And here's the thing: it's going to get a whole lot worse – no doubt about it. The prick should be up the road on his away record alone.

Sorry for the lad, though. Hope he makes a speedy recovery.

We're the worst! Sigh.

Schneiderlin never moves after a pass and very rarely stops teams gliding through us.

Gana tries to play like a footballer but he hasn't got the ability to dictate.

Klaassen looks at the moment to be very weak and off the pace and if he does improve, its not going to see us with a top midfielder.

Sigurdsson has had a slow start but again is he any better as a number 10 than Rooney would be?

Keane, already has the manager asking questions of him and seems to fear defending at the moment.

And lastly Koeman. He has either bought, identified or agreed to manage these players. And he hasn't got a clue where they fit in.

How is it possible to play a wingback system with a back four? We had a central midfield destroyer, Gana, trying and expected to be a playmaker. The two wide positions filled by Davies and Sigurdsson, who after falling behind after twelve minutes changed positions.

I would guess that before this season started neither of them two so called widemen had ever played there in there lives let alone at European or Premier League standard.

When we went ahead two subs were introduced,; the Sandro change was possibly justified although there was a case for it happening at half time. The second change was also made are third of the game so what happens if a player is injured? This after going ahead for the first time in the game.

Playing fullback or wingback or whatever Koeman thinks these positions are must be a very lonely and soul-destroying experience in this Everton team. Hopelessly outnumbered without the ball and expected to create chances for who I could not tell you as there is no target to hit, no system or even a fuckin' plan.

No chance I'm afraid.

I'm with you, there are debatable tactics, positional shortfalls and calamities a plenty on the pitch. Koeman has to accept his portion of culpability.

We can spend all our time between matches spouting off on how much that portion of culpability is, but we are not a sacking club.

Where we let ourselves down is with our own responsibilities; I've said it before on another thread Goodison has the worst and most toxic home crowd in the premier league.

We berate the manager for not playing our young hopes in the team then, when he does, we subject them to a baptism of criticism and scorn.

Kenny shit himself yesterday and got rid of the ball everytime because all he could hear around him was vitriol. We all have a part to play.

Our role as fans in the Bayern Munich home game of 1985 is embedded in folklore – look how far away from that influence we are now!

But better than having Thursday matches that are fruitless, that do interfere with preparations for Everton's next match in the Premier League.

I'm worried about boosting him too early but this young man is a real silver lining at the moment.