Rooney grabs first Everton hat-trick as Blues thrash West Ham

Wednesday 29 November 2017  200 Comments  [Jump to last]
Everton 4 - 0 West Ham United

Mason Holgate passed a fitness test to alleviate the injury crisis in defence
David Unsworth signed off as caretaker manager with a handsome victory thanks to a treble from Wayne Rooney and a fine penalty save from Jordan Pickford.

With imminent managerial appointment San Allardyce watching from the Directors' box next to Farhad Moshiri, Everton were leading 2-0 when Pickford pushed away Manuel Lanzini's spot-kick and the Blues took the cue to double their advantage with another two goals.

Rooney sealed his treble with a sublime finish from inside his own half and Ashley Williams atoned for conceding the penalty by heading in the fourth.

Unsworth took charge of his eighth and possibly final game knowing that a victory over the Hammers was of paramount importance.

Injury to two key defenders, Leighton Baines and Phil Jagielka, forced him into making changes at the back where Cuco Martina was recalled and Mason Holgate came into the back four.

Tom Davies returned following suspension and Rooney was back in the starting XI after sitting out the defeat at Southampton on Sunday.

The first quarter of an hour featured no chances, as two nervy sides felt each other out.

Pickford made a confident take at one end and then Everton won a penalty at the other end as Calvert-Lewin was taken down by Joe Hart.

Rooney had his spot kick saved but the rebound fell invitingly for him to head home.

The goal didn't initially spark greater adventure from Everton but Sigurdsson won a free kick with 25 minutes gone that came to nothing.

A couple of minutes later, a quick move ended with Davies free on the right and his cross fell to Rooney who slotted home.

The Hammers started the second half on the front foot and had the Blues penned in their own half for the first seven minutes or so but the defence held despite some cheap giveaways in the midfield and Cresswell smacking an effort off the crossbar.

Everton continued to sit back, however and when Williams brought Sakho down in his own box, referee Oliver pointed to the spot.

Pickford guesses right and parried Lanzini's penalty away to safety, though, preserving the home side's two-goal lead.

Shortly afterwards it was 3-0 when Hart slid the ball out to the halfway line but was caught way off his line and Rooney executed a brilliantly deft shot from behind the halfway line that sailed over the keeper and into the empty goal.

3-0 became 4-0 a few minutes later when Williams lost his marker at a corner and glanced a header into the far side of the goal.

Everton: Pickford, Kenny, Holgate, Martina, Williams, Gueye, Davies, Lennon (89' Lookman), Sigurdsson, Rooney {c} (85' Baningime), Calvert-Lewin (90+1' Vlasic).
Subs not Used:

Robles, Besic, Schneiderlin, Ramirez.  

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Lev Vellene
3 Posted 29/11/2017 at 19:27:46
I'm NOT noticing Williams, la-la-lah! Oh dear, no, and not!

Dean Cooper
4 Posted 29/11/2017 at 19:33:42
Even if we played two Holgates, not sure how long that feeble backline could hold a cleansheet, even against a poor West Ham under David Moyes.

But nevertheless – COYB!

Eugene Kearney
6 Posted 29/11/2017 at 19:39:08
Good interview from Unsy on the TV just now.

An Evertonian through and through.

We will win this. COYB.

John G Davies
7 Posted 29/11/2017 at 19:39:21
That's the side I would have gone with.
John Graham
8 Posted 29/11/2017 at 19:39:23
Think we should have Holgate up front too.
West Ham will never guess our tactics now.
John Hammond
9 Posted 29/11/2017 at 19:42:46
Sandro scores and gets dropped for the next game. Calvert-Lewin is invisible at St Mary's and gets another game.
Oliver Molloy
10 Posted 29/11/2017 at 19:44:45
Allardyce will have had an input into the side picked tonight in my opinion.
Mick Conalty
11 Posted 29/11/2017 at 19:50:02
Listen up, people, failure is not an option.

Rhino's final team talk.

Steve High
12 Posted 29/11/2017 at 19:52:49
Not sure how that team could be improved upon, but issues abound. Davies and Gueye need to boss things, there is nothing to lose so just go for it. Is Lookman injured?
John Dingle
13 Posted 29/11/2017 at 19:58:05
We need to find a way of getting quality ball to Calvert-Lewin that he can use. Hoofing the ball upfield to the guy and expecting him to be productive while surrounded by defenders will not work.

Hopefully Rooney will play on the left and support Martina, Siggy demonstrated on Sunday that is a weakness.

Thank god Schneiderlin is not playing. His performance on Sunday was woeful, he was not interested and should be shipped out, if we can find anyone to take him, asap. Same applies to Williams but presently we do not have an alternative.

Pleased to see Besic on the bench, I would like to see him on early in the second half.

Bill Gienapp
14 Posted 29/11/2017 at 19:58:19
I have a lot of respect for Unsworth, but not really sorry to see him go, from a tactical standpoint. There's just no real consistency to what he does, other than starting Aaron Lennon every match.

Mirallas constantly yo-yo's between starting and not even making the bench. Sandro isn't given an opportunity to build on his decent display against Atalanta, even though Niasse is suspended. Baningime is singled out as MotM against Atalanta, then doesn't start either of the next two matches.

Declan Martin
15 Posted 29/11/2017 at 20:12:40
Not sure which is the worst?

Williams at centre back or Fat Sam as manager?

Andy Crooks
17 Posted 29/11/2017 at 20:51:02
This scoreline says so much about our players. Fat Sam (sorry Mr Allardyce) is preparing to deliver toes to their overpaid holes and they suddenly find a spine.

Well done, David Unsworth. Even if we lose this, you have been a true Evertonian. Let down by gutless players and custodians of the club who have no shame.

Mike Price
18 Posted 29/11/2017 at 20:52:38
Stop the negativity about Allardyce, it's ridiculous.

Rooney showing he should be club captain but Pickford not claiming crosses is reminding me of Howard and it's worrying me.

2-0 up against a crap side and I'd still almost take a draw... Koeman must be our worst ever manager, he's chucked £100 million away, we couldn't give some of them away on their ridiculous contracts, and taken us backwards about 5 years.

Mike Powell
19 Posted 29/11/2017 at 21:00:23
Good first half, Blues!
Ashley Roberts
20 Posted 29/11/2017 at 21:00:55
Unbelievable!!! with Rooney playing in midfield instead of Schneiderlin. What a difference. Not great but so much better than recent performances. How has Rooney not started the last 2 Premier League games??

Unsworth's undoing. Why could he not have figured this out beforehand? Maybe it shows he did not have the needed managerial/tactical ability.

Justin Doone
21 Posted 29/11/2017 at 21:28:14
We have been very lucky again.

Get liability Willy off for anyone. We need to react, come on Unsworth.

ps: Anyone is NOT Schneiderlin who shouldn't be on the bench.

Vlasic for Williams. Kenny to stay back in a back 3.

Siggy stay deep and long pass it to Vlasic who's fresh.

Beni for Davies to keep 11 men on the pitch.

Who... Fuck Off, Fat Sam

Ash Moore
22 Posted 29/11/2017 at 21:35:19

I got a vibe at the end of the Atalanta game he'd win us the next one on his own. The body language. But of course he didn't feature against the Saints.

Well past his best, but still comfortably the best footballer on the pitch. He's our captain really isn't he?

How bad is Joe Hart though???

Pete Clarke
23 Posted 29/11/2017 at 21:51:34
No need to keep having a go at Unsworth. The last few defeats were through shambolic defending and he is not a defender.

Big lift for the whole club tonight, enjoy your drinks before Sam takes over.

David Hallwood
24 Posted 29/11/2017 at 21:58:15
Ash (#22) the legs might've gone but the brain's still there.
Mike Powell
25 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:01:18
That's much better blues, the penalty save changed the game, even though we were two up. What a goal by Rooney!!!
Michael Fox
26 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:03:46
Is it too late to get rid of Fat Sam?
Kieran Kinsella
27 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:03:51
Walter Smith beat West Ham 6-0, 5-0 and 4-0. The middle result being around this time of year in the season he was fired. We have won nothing yet. No cause for happiness.
Bill Gienapp
28 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:04:03
That makes Moyes 0-5 and yet to score a goal against us since leaving Everton.

Also, props to Lyndon for this tweet – "The Board's going to agree terms with Allardyce just before the game, and the team's going to beat West Ham 3-0 aren't they? We'll wonder what the panic was about but be stuck with a manager no one wants. #EvertonThat"

Mike Jones
29 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:08:10
Kieran Kinsella – winning something isn't the point of this year now. So why the statement?
Ciarán McGlone
30 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:08:30
A bit of joy at last..
Andy Crooks
31 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:08:53
Well done David Unsworth. Shame on the players who feared Sam's boot.


Jason Wilkinson
32 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:09:26
Absolute disgrace. Why has it taken 14 matches in the Premier League to produce a performance?
Jamie Crowley
33 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:09:52
I've been behind signing Big Sam since we fired Ronald.

Even called the score to today's game at 4-0!

Nah I'm just fuckin' around.

What a game! Unreal.

Please, please play Rooney centrally and deep as much as possible Sam.


Stephen Brown
34 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:11:25
Looking up the table for first time in 2 months!
Tommy Bowman
35 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:12:03
4-0 yeah... fuck off out of our club, Allardyce, you bent twat!
Bob Parrington
36 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:13:48
How many penalties is it that Williams has given away? Total liability regardless of whether or not he scored.

Great to have the win and, even more, with a clean sheet!

Hope they put salt in the wax of the seal on the contract with Big Sam! (for those who know the origination of the term "yours sincerely")

Ray Jacques
37 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:15:12
Don't all start coming on here with Unsworth is the answer and the panic is over. There's lots of work needed to sort this mess and one home game just relieves the immediate pressure. If Pickford didn't save the penalty... for once, we got the breaks.

Give Allardyce a chance, we are due a nice surprise instead of the usual hope followed by chronic disappointment.

Michael Lynch
38 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:18:07
Disappointed for all those shirt-burners who said they'd boycott Goodison until Sam was gone. Missed a cracker tonight lads, and I must admit I'm really looking forward to Saturday. Never mind, you're up there on the moral high ground, hope the view is worth it.
Paul McIntyre
39 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:18:49
Bob 36.. for those who know... Not you then.

Latin: sincerus... pure / clean.

Christy Ring
40 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:19:10
Superb from Rooney, and a massive 3 pts. I've just seen the worst team in the Premier League blowing bubbles.
William Cartwright
41 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:20:28
Everyone on ToffeeWeb, almost without exception, has supported Unsy's loyalty to the Club, but criticized his team selections. He had a golden opportunity to be offered the manager's role full time but blew it, big time. Pity but we move on.

Good game, good result, thanks to Pickford, and get prepared for Rooney to be nominated as captain and several players to be shipped out. We increased our chances of a victory by playing 11 v 11 with Schneiderlin not in the team; and it paid off.

Victor Jones
42 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:21:11
That's more like it. Shame that Unsworth couldn't get that sort of result more often.

And that's all this old game is about. Results. Not the moralizing posturing nonsense that I have read on these threads for the last couple of days.

Was that performance tonight Inspired by the fact that Sam Allardyce was looking on. Or was it tactical genius from David Unsworth. Or was it (as I suspect) simply because West Ham are just not that good. Anyhow i don’t really care. Its a win. Now lets do the same against Huddersfield.

Hope all you want away "supporters" are getting back on board for the ride. It could be interesting.

Giving up Everton. Naw. Not for me. That is never an option. Take more that Big Sam Allardyce to stop me supporting this team.

Last points Good luck to David Unsworth. His day will come. I have no doubt. He just picked a few baffling set ups. And relied on a few dud unreliable players. Those players put in a mini performance tonight. Shame that they did not turn up about a month ago.

And finally. George McKane enjoy your winnings. Four nil I believe was your bet. Well done sir.

Up the Toffees Big Sam's Toffees. Now chew on that people..

John G Davies
43 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:24:34
Steve Ferns,

That is the position you and I discussed Rooney playing in last week. He is worth a run in that position and 4-3-3 formation. In that position the onus is on his brain rather than his running power.

Joe McMahon
45 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:24:57
Much better at last.

People, stop slagging Sam, we've had some awful managers over the years. Clean sheet and no Baines, coincidence?

Raymond Fox
46 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:25:47
Very happy to admit that my prediction for the game was well wide of the mark. Just goes to show how nothing is all it seems, well done David and the players.

The win puts a much happier look to the League Table and now its over to Mr Allardyce. Let's get behind Sam now and judge him how he performs as Everton manager.

Phil Walling
47 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:26:23
Not impressed by Unsy as manager but so glad he finished on a very positive note. He sure didn't deserve to suffer the appalling performances virtually all the players put in on his watch.

Now we are into a whole new experience with a manager for whom most of us have little respect. But perhaps, just perhaps, his time with Everton will see his redemption on and off the field.

John Roberts
48 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:27:26
Massive 3 points and hopefully some confidence back.

Can we sack Williams? think I'd rather see Lennon play centre-back.

John Ronnie
49 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:27:53
Well said, Michael Lynch.
Peter Anthony
50 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:30:37
Thank you, Rhino. Thank you, Wayne.

Get in there!!!!!!!!!

Andy Crooks
51 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:34:43
Good posts, from Raymond Fox and Phil Walling. There are exciting times ahead and they may not be all good. But that was a great send-off for a great Evertonian who stepped up, took a poisoned chalice and dealt with it with skill, imagination, guts and dignity. Well done, David Unsworth, and thank you.
Colin Metcalfe
52 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:35:14
John (#43), I could not agree more. The team I picked was Rooney playing just ahead of Beni because Schneiderlin has been so poor this season. We needed someone who can pass it out of defense and he excelled in this position tonight; he clearly enjoys the roll as he is much more involved similar to Pirlo in the Milan team.
Laurie Hartley
55 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:38:24
What a relief and what a great result. Up the Blues!!!!
Sam Hoare
56 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:39:29
Work still to be done of course but we are 13th now with some winnable games on the horizon.

Fair to say that those talking about relegation as 'inevitable' may have been overstating it?! Such panic has issued in our new firefighting manager.

What is done is done. Onwards.

Colin Glassar
57 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:41:54
Omg, I’m still on cloud nine. Big Sam and Rooney together, it’s like having Churchill and Monty together at El Alamein.
Tony Abrahams
58 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:42:12
It looked to me like someone has already spoken to these players. West Ham were very poor but maybe Pickford, has just had has big an hand as Rooney, in getting us 3 very valuable points.

More organised, more disciplined, and it even looked like the confidence was returning near the end. I was screaming for Rooney, to be subbed, and then I was cursing him, for all the years he spent away from us!

But tonight is not a night for looking back, it’s time to look forward, and I’m also delighted for Unsworth, who has just had the weight of the world lifted from him. A very good night indeed!

Laurie Hartley
59 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:42:28
Just saw your post @ 47 Phil – well said man. I even detected a note of optimism. :) Up the Blues!!
Jason Wilkinson
60 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:45:22
Fickle bunch of fuckers!!! I understand the relief at the result but I'm still fucking annoyed that it takes appointment of Fat Sam and the fear they might get dropped and shipped out to put a shift in for the first time this season.

BTW long may it continue. Work still to do.

Paul Mackie
61 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:45:32
On the other hand, Michael (#38) that was a good last game for me to go to for a while. Hope you enjoyed it as our football now will be 'lump it to the big lad we sign in January.

Enjoy paying £30+ a ticket for that shite.

Ian Riley
62 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:48:01
Great win but let's be realistic. West Ham are very poor. Unsworth is a great servant and a loyal man and deserves tonight. Players have put in a shift tonight and with the class of Rooney you have a chance.

On Sam Allardyce. The criticism on here is based on what. Everton contacted him, twice. He has come to the biggest club of his career and with money and quality we already have, top seven is still possible. I trust him to buy the right players and organise us better. Sam Allardyce at other clubs has got the best out of all players he has managed. Yes, he has had bad moments at clubs but who hasn't.

I wanted Silva but my second choice was Sam. On Sunday evening I couldn't see tonight happening, who could? Something to build on with the experienced and youngster players. I'm not kidding myself. January may require spending the summer budget to climb the league. Fine, staying up and building the confidence for next season is what the manager was brought in. The expectations fellow fans have over the type of manager to bring in was pie in the sky. Fighting relegation takes a different sort of manager than Champions League and winning leagues with a pot of gold.

Sam won't settle for battles at the bottom. He sees Everton as a big club underachieving. This is his last club to achieve at the top. Give him a chance.

Andy Crooks
63 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:48:40
Sam, I suspect you are thinking the same as me. The board lost their nerve and everything changed. The "project", is on hold. Unless, if course, Mr Allardyce has it in him to to prove that, with backing, he has it in him to achieve something special. Who knows? Strange, exciting and odd days ahead. Bring it on.
Dave Ganley
64 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:50:12
Just back from the game and what a pleasant surprise. Was a bit hairy in 2nd half until the penalty save but what a cracker for Rooney's hat-trick. Just glad it fell to him and no-one else. Small steps but a step in the right direction.
Sam Hoare
65 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:52:38
Yes, Andy. The board (and many in here) certainly lost their nerve and aspiration was replaced by desperation. Understandable I suppose.

Strange and exciting indeed. I am weirdly curious to see whether he will resort to his modus operandi or show us something we had expected. I actually think his coaching team looks useful so have a small glimmer of hope left...

Michael Lynch
67 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:54:50
Paul Mackie – I've been an Evertonian for 50 years, I've seen a fuck of a lot worse than anything Sam can come up with. I've sat there with less than 20,000 on a freezing Wednesday night watching drab draws with Ipswich, so I'm not going to give up now.

But enjoy your new hobby, or shopping with the missus or whatever else you're going to do now you've thrown a hissy fit.

John Keating
68 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:54:53
Just back in and we needed that. Sigurdsson, Rooney, Kenny and Holgate pluses. Lennon as expected run his socks off.

West Ham were dire but we actually made them look good Never 4-0 of a difference but who gives a shit the only thing that mattered was 3 points.

To be quite honest they had us on the ropes after half time Had the shot gone in rather than hit the bar or the pen gone in we would have folded because you could feel the panic in the players.

Great result even better 3 points but so much work to do with this team I do not envy Allardyce.

Dennis Stevens
69 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:57:41
Michael Lynch (#38), I got the impression people saying that planned to boycott the Everton matches whilst Allardyce is manager, so not too sure why you think they would have missed the match tonight, Unsworth's last match in charge.
Rob Dolby
70 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:59:33
Why didn't Unsworth set up his team's like this 5 weeks ago, he might have been offered the job. Besides the Chelsea game we have been like a sieve.

Great that the fans sang his name as he has conducted himself very well over the last 5 weeks just a shame half of senior pros didn't perform for him.

The Rooney selection puzzled me as Unsworth hasn't fancied him in the starting 11 yet he is captain and centre mid to boot. I just wonder if Big Sam had any input at all.

Good performances all over the pitch. Roll on Saturday. Good West Ham support tonight singing "You've got Sam Allardyce!" then at 3 - 0 down singing "We need Sam Allardyce."


Andrew Wayne
71 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:59:40
We were everything tonight that we weren't against Southampton. You do wonder if we had played the same way we would now have Uncle Sam? New Manager bounce perhaps as some realise that they are now have to play for a shirt (and a wage).

Rooney though was imperious even hat-trick aside. Guess what – you play players where you are supposed to and look what happens (with a little application). Bit of a wobble at the re-start that could have gone differently but Pickford's save turned a slowly grumbling Goodison Park back behind the team.

Great atmosphere – Uncle Sam appeared for a nanosecond on the big screen and I thought a heard a low, very short chorus of boos – but perhaps not. Sammy Lee was serenaded with a traditional ditty and I suspect that his tenure may be a little uncomfortable at times. Great result but more to do. COYB.

Tom Bowers
72 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:59:43
Well we all knew any turnaround wouldn't happen overnight and so it proved in today's game. After a nervy opening they got the penalty call which was correct but some may not have given it.

After that they settled down and scored a beauty thanks to a great run by Seamus, oh. sorry I meant Jonjoe.

As expected West Ham changed things up after the break and Everton looked unsure again but a great penalty save by Pickford boosted the Blues and they finished in style.

I was happy that Carroll, Antonio and Sakho didn't start this game as things may have unfolded differently.

A small step back but it was only West Ham who are in the doldrums too and we need to build on that by beating Huddersfield next so they may have better optimism for the RS game.

Paul A Smith
73 Posted 29/11/2017 at 22:59:45
Rooney was great. Still not sure he's a midfielder every week but great Hat Trick.

John Joe Kenny had a good game he done almost everything right.
Sigurdsson had a quiet spell 2nd half but was great everytime he touched the ball. Gana looks better without Schneiderlin and Tom Davies who has had me doubting him never drops his head and deserves great credit for that.

Nice win for Unsworth to end on and so glad the fans showed appreciation. To be fair West Ham are dreadful and their good supporters I spoke to before the game told us we would win 3-0. That seemed a long shot at 7 o'clock.

And Rooney's 3rd was sublime.

Onwards and upwards now. Get behind the team.

Brian Williams
74 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:04:33
Just home, floated all the way. Great result. Onwards and upwards I hope.
Chris Watts
75 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:05:31
Just seen the 2nd goal on MotD again. Real quality started by a sublime pass from Pickford
Andy Crooks
76 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:06:49
Jason# 60, good post. The admirable Steve Ferns, whose tactical analysis is top reading, in my view, had not factored what happened tonight into his view at all.

What we witnessed tonight was a bunch of smug, shameless, professionals turning in a show for two reasons:

Out of decency, integrity and pride they owed it to David Unsworth. More importantly, though, I think they fear the boot of the fat man being buried unceremoniously in their overpaid arses.

Raymond Fox
77 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:06:54
Paul 61, I think your over reacting man. Let's wait and see what happens, he can get teams playing good football when he has the players to do it.

Personally as long as its winning football I'm not overly concerned what style it is.

After all we haven't had much success playing the usual top 6 teams at their style have we, surely a good manager changes his style in individual games that gives you the best chance of winning.

Does not mean you have to play the same against every team.

Mark Morrissey
78 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:10:14
The stars aligned at Goodison tonight. Thanks to Davey Unsworth in his final game.

An imperious flashback for Wayne Rooney and a belter to seal his hat-trick.

Moshiri and Kenwright like Waldorf and Statler looking on with their new toy.

Moyes wishing he'd never have left.

A penalty scored and a penalty missed.

A week is a long time in Football. Keep the faith boys and get behind the new manager.
Brian Wilkinson
79 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:11:41
Jesus H Christ – we won 4-0, apart from the penalty we gave away every player stood up and yet some are still unhappy.

We have had a ponderous season, clean sheet, goal of the season, great team performance, just enjoy the moment and take in the result.

Take each result as it comes, how anyone can still be pissed off after the goals and performance is mind boggling.

Whatever the reason was tonight, whether it was the big Sam fear factor or doing it for Unsworth and the fans, they did it tonight, no hiding place now for those players, they will have to deliver or face a rollicking.

Bobby Angwin
80 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:17:01
We're back! I don't like Big Sam, but as Phil McNulty said on BBC, us trying to poach Simeone was “wildly unrealistic“; Allardyce is unfortunately the best we can do at the moment but I'm hopeful.

We've got some excellent players; somewhere in that bunch is a quality team. Allardyce may be the one that brings it out.

Teddy Bertin
81 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:19:07
I've never been so confused. I've never cared so much and simultaneously wanted to look away at the same time.

I've always rated big Sam but would never have wanted him at Everton and would never have expected a top 5 club to take a risk on him.

Can't be a hypocrite though. I would have said to any team that wanted to finish between 7th and 10th that Big Sam would be a better shout than most and that is where we find ourselves.

Maybe Martinez wasn't there absolute shower of shite that everyone called him out to be. Maybe we did lose a lot of points at home from having a hostile crowd due to unrealistic expectations. Maybe John Stones and Ross Barkley didn't deserve to be shouted down as cunts when Stoke battered us at Goodison. Maybe Lukaku did carry the team. Maybe Ronald did need more time. Maybe Rhino will be more than the next Craig Shakespeare.

I think what we've learned is that we're not a top 6 club, despite the expectations raised by David Moyes that we can finish high without spending. Perhaps top players won't even consider coming here for the money and perhaps we'll be lucky to have a manager like Big Sam.

That's all we are. A poorly run club with a great history, who have needed hard working honest managers and players to cover over the cracks and make us feel like we're only a couple of players away from the top 4 when in fact we've only ever been a couple of players away from relegation since the 90s.


Rob Hooton
82 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:20:57
I thought Jonjoe Kenny would have had MotM tonight were it not for Wayne and his splendid hat-trick.

Much to be happy with and for Allardyce to work with???!!!...

John Keating
83 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:22:01
Brian (#79) you are right it was a great result, it flattered us, but a great result.

In context of the season so far the performance was good but lets be truthful here had we played a half decent team we wouldn't be celebrating right now.

3 points right now is everything and is all that matters, hopefully another 3 on Saturday but if we play like that against the RS then God help us.

We still have a long long way to go.

Bobby Angwin
84 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:22:26
Chin up, Teddy la, for fuck's sake. We've just won 4-0 after looking like shite over the last few games.

Onwards and upwards, enjoy it!

Tony Hill
85 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:22:27
Wonderful win, Pickford save crucial. A privilege to be there for Rooney’s hat trick goal. West Ham were appalling but so what. There are no wider conclusions to be drawn save that these players perform when they want to or when they are scared into it.
Mike Hughes
86 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:23:54
Very pleased for David Unsworth. Nice to go out on a high -– I hope his career progresses. New era now.

Let's hope we can push onwards and upwards.

As Raymond Fox #77 states, as long as it's winning football who cares too much about the style right now? However, I have a feeling many will be pleasantly surprised.

A first win at Anfield in 18 years would be a great start (but one step at a time).

Brian Denton
87 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:24:40
Sam may have landed on his feet – there are some good players in our side. West Ham were truly appalling. Moyes working his magic!
Mike Hughes
88 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:27:02
Sam can't win can he?

Landed on his feet if he wins. Master con man if he loses.

Let's give the man a chance.

What has gone on so far – with huge investment – has been pretty underwhelming.

Don Alexander
89 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:27:25
John Keating (#68), you're spot-on. Allardyce can win me round if he eventually gets us able to hold a high defensive line successfully, and in this league that's hard, but that's what top teams do.
Andy Meighan
90 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:28:47
No Schneiderlin or Mirallas and a totally different performance. Coincidence? I think not.

I hope the pair of them never darken Goodison again. Great win and totally lifted the gloom.
Derek Knox
91 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:29:45
Absolutely a total change to what has been served up of late, no coincidence that Schneiderlin and Mirallas have been dropped.

Okay, West Ham were very poor in contrast, but let's not take too much credit away, we still had a passenger at left back, the useless Martina.

Rooney, playing a deeper role, dictated the game, and took his goals well.

I am not however getting too carried away, and It's back to business on Saturday, let's see how we move on from tonight.

Christine Foster
92 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:32:06
I wonder why Sam said yes, perhaps he felt it was the biggest club team he would ever manage, perhaps he thought he had a nucleus of quality he hasn't had before, perhaps he really believes he can deliver a top 4/6 side with his input. Who knows? Yes he will be well paid for it, but I think also its a great opportunity to get the recipe right to cook something special? I hope its the latter...

Tonight was wonderful, the first time this season we have seen a team play... a great way to repay Unsworth, I really felt he deserved that as much as he has struggled, he deserved every minute of that game and it will stay with him forever I hope,

Rooney? Class tonight, sheer bloody class... left back, midfield, striker? That goal... sweet... I wonder what all his detractors are saying tonight?

Barry Jones
93 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:32:24
The game against Southampton confirmed to me that Unsworth was not the right manger. We were losing, confidence was zero and he brought on Lookman, with Rooney on the bench. You do not bring on a kid and expect him to change a game in those circumstances. The pressure on him is incredible.

Whereas, Rooney, you could see, was itching to get on. His experience and calmness would have been way more valuable. He may not have changed the outcome, but it would have been a smarter choice. I wonder if that's what Joe Royle may have been telling Unsworth. Regardless, I wish Unsworth continued success with the U23s. I am so pleased for Wayne (and Unsy) today.

So one good result and the panic is over I guess. Guys, I love ToffeeWeb, but we have to be a bit more realistic in our responses from game to game. I know that following Everton is very demanding and very hormonal, but don't panic Capt. Mannering!

David Hallwood
94 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:36:27
BTW Sigurdsson's starting to look good.
Trevor Peers
95 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:36:52
All you guys saying you don't 'like' the new manager is being a bit pathetic and sad, why be personal. I'd rather it was, does the manager give confidence and get results?

Obviously the credit will go to Unsworth, but the real transformation from 'suicide watch' to easy winners, must have had something to do with the fat guy in the stands.

Why? Because that kind of confidence hadn't been there all season until tonight.

Mike Hughes
96 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:38:38
Trevor (#95) – was it confidence or effort?
Barry Jones
97 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:44:09
Christine, you are spot on with your assessment. I think Sam is looking to cook something special. I think he believes that this is the biggest club he has ever worked at and he wants to show what he can do. I believe that he can deliver. His Bolton team played some good stuff. He had some wonderful players in JayJay Okacha, Steede Malbranque and Fernando Hierro.

Once the media pigeon holes you, it sticks sadly and everyone believes it to be gospel. Sam is more than just long ball. He's practical in his approach but he knows what it takes to deliver in this league, in this day, and thats a lot more than just punting it forward. Just my opinion.

Derek Knox
98 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:44:14
Forgot to mention before, it's amazing what an injection of confidence can do for both morale and results.

The secret is to maintain that over the next run of games.

John Malone
99 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:46:46
David 94, why what did Sigurdsson do to ‘look good’ tonight??

He put a shift in and threw in a couple of decent crosses in but if Rooney doesn’t score three does Sigurdsson still ‘look good’?

Neil Copeland
101 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:50:07
Just back from the game, great win and confidence returning after Rooneys brilliant third. Very port West Han but you can only beat the team put in front of you.

Impressed with Siggy, his best game by a country mile. Davies and Gueye also much improved.

Great ovation for Rhino too.

Lots of work to do but plenty of proof that there is a half decent team there too.

Well done blues, much better

Dave Speed
102 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:53:58
I notice that Rooney was compared to Pirlo tonight in the role I preferred him to play from the moment he signed – nobody commented on it, unlike when I suggested it when he signed and I was slaughtered on here.

I wasn't surprised by how well he played there, and I think that, if we don't go for the old Sam Solidice game (Sam insists that the ball has to have solid ice on it when it comes back down), then Rooney could nail that position for a couple of years.

Dave Abrahams
103 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:54:58
Made up with the win, we needed it and a few more to go with it, as a few have said Pickford's penalty save was crucial, we were floundering, just playing in our own half, if that had gone in would we have held on.

Rooney deserved the MotM for his hat trick, maybe even his third goal, but Kenny and Lennon were great for me along with the running and graft of Calvert Lewin, Pickford for his clean sheet, Gana and Davies for their energy, although Davies needs to calm down and start jockying players instead of running right at them.

West Ham were woeful except for the start of the second half and we have to continue on Saturday with another victory, it will not be as easy as tonight, but let's savour our win tonight for the next few days.

Glad David Unsworth finished his spell with a good win.

Alex Fox
104 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:57:22
Rooney and Davies with Gueye must be the midfield three until Barkley's return. It's remarkable the difference playing two players with attacking instincts makes to the middle of the park.

Great result and the least Unsworth deserved.

Funny game football. It's very possible that if this result had come one week earlier he'd have been offered the job full-time.

He leaves the club 5 places better off than when he arrived. Beat Huddersfield at the weekend and we should rise to the top half.

Panic? What panic...

John Ronnie
105 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:59:04
We've got good players to come back from injury – top class at that.

Plus surely Sam will have a pot to buy some top defenders and a couple of strikers in January.

It looks a damn site better now than it did Sunday afternoon.

Steve Ferns
106 Posted 29/11/2017 at 23:59:29
Just back from the game. Superb by the players tonight. Finally they gave Unsworth a performance he deserved. Full credit to Rhino, I heard that Allardyce has tried to take some credit for that. Well the 40,000 who stayed behind after the game and waited "For a grand old team" to die down so we could tell Unsworth what we thought of him, and he came on the pitch and punched the air.

Superb Unsworth. You bow out with a record of 3 wins, 1 draw and 2 defeats. 6 games, 10 premier league points. A win ratio of 50%. A points per game of 1.67. Now it's over to Mr 34% and his 1.2 PPG.

And to all the people who said I was complacent and we are in a relegation scrap. Sure we are. And when we beat Huddersfield, on the back of Unsworth's good work, unless Big Sam tries to stamp his own mark over it all and fucks it up, and we move into the top half. Then ask yourselves, what the fuck have we got Big Sam for?

Why did we panic? It's still only November. And we should still finish in the top 8. And we still have a shitload of money to spend. But now we have dodgy Allardyce in charge and every signing he makes you will question whether they are the best signing for the team, or the best for Allardyce's bank account.

Counting the days until he fucks off.

Paul A Smith
107 Posted 29/11/2017 at 00:00:03
Forgot to mention Pickford's pen save. His speed was great and what a stop.

We have won 4-0 and it wasn't pretty at times.

Allardyce must be able to get us some more ugly wins surely?

Steve Ferns
108 Posted 29/11/2017 at 00:05:12
John G Davies - exactly. Was it you who suggested it first and then I saw something in the Cypriot Europa League game, where he was basically doing shuttle runs up and down the pitch, and thought he's playing as a midfielder and should just play there but more centrally anyway, preferably with two more defensive midfielders alongside him who run a lot and can cover for him. It worked a treat.

They should hire me and you to be managers John!

Dennis Stevens
109 Posted 30/11/2017 at 00:05:15
Very pleased for Unsworth & for all the long-suffering supporters at Goodison Park. I really hope this doesn't prove to be the high water mark of our season.
Darren Hind
110 Posted 30/11/2017 at 00:05:47

I've pointed out Rhino's 50% win ratio on the other thread. Funny to think the guy who "is simply not up to the job" is "clueless" and "totally out of his depth" has a better record than any of the previous jokers and a much better record than the guy who replaces him.

Funny old game

BTW Steve I suggested Rooney play deep lying midfield role months ago to you when we were discussing Sliding in and Gana.

Tony Hill
111 Posted 30/11/2017 at 00:06:23
Yes, that performance and result show that we're great actually and that Allardyce should be put in jail. Fucking hell, the stupidity is endless.
Chad Schofield
112 Posted 29/11/2017 at 00:06:41
4-0 so much more effort, but a way off perfect -but obviously you have to enjoy nights like tonight! Some really good performances and very happy for Unsworth and his planned training session late yesterday worked.

It was sad BT Sport and some others took credit away from Unsworth and gave it to our new manager.

John Ronnie
113 Posted 30/11/2017 at 00:08:25
Also proud that the starting 11 fielded 7 English players (8 British) if you included Williams.

Stick that up yer jacksy, grooners and RS!

Michael Penley
114 Posted 30/11/2017 at 00:10:45
Can I just ask that the Big Sam supporters treat him the same as Unsworth got treated? That is – if we are not performing within 5 games from now and the squad is not transformed, Sam is out of his depth, not ready to manage in the Premier League and unfit to manage Everton.

It's only fair.

Dennis Stevens
115 Posted 30/11/2017 at 00:11:50
Chad, you can't blame them as many on here were doing the same.
Steve Ferns
116 Posted 30/11/2017 at 00:12:48
Yes, someone mentioned it before me. That's for sure, and then in the Cyprus game when he started hitting 60 yard passes from the left back position and running up the pitch after them, I thought, hang on a minute, they have a point.

We need a passer in the middle, and as Schneiderlin has been absolutely dreadful then Rooney deserves a good go. Sigurdsson was better again today. He's improving and he's much better with Rooney deeper. They didn't link up as much as I would have hoped but when they did it was class.

Mike Hughes
117 Posted 30/11/2017 at 00:13:23
Tony (#111),

The debate over Allardyce has been very divisive. I do wonder about some of the comments posted here in the past couple of days.

So-called high moral principles can come across very easily as low-grade bigotry.< ‘Fat', ‘conman' I wasn't sure if people were referring to Koeman or Martinez.

Michael (#114),

That's not fickle or disingenuous at all, is it?

Many on here though Unsworth was out of his depth regardless of who replaced him.

Your bigotry against Allardyce is obvious.

For the record, I'm amazed we've had to recruit Allardyce. But we had to.

Your “one swallow makes a spring” view of tonight is just the kind of short term, knee-jerk thinking you will accuse Allardyce supporters of.

Dennis Stevens
118 Posted 30/11/2017 at 00:14:47
Not really, Michael – Allardyce is inheriting a better situation than the one Unsworth was handed, & he has more authority with which to address it.
Steve Ferns
119 Posted 30/11/2017 at 00:21:23
Everton will know how much a shit storm they have created. The wisest thing they can do now is make an offer that Barkley cannot refuse. Allardyce will be a fool if he doesn't think Barkley would walk back into that side, and so he should be able to guarantee games and so should be able to tell Barkley a load of things he would want to hear.

I think delivering Barkley on a new deal will go a long way to getting Allardyce off on the right foot.

Chad Schofield
120 Posted 30/11/2017 at 00:22:01
I know, I know Dennis. He anointed the team with spittle from his jowels, cast a vast shadow across the pitch next to Mr Bean and Mr Blue or some how the echoes from his walk and talk phonecall stroll earlier stirred up that performance.

Long live the king and all that.

Darren Hind
122 Posted 30/11/2017 at 00:29:03
Is right, Dennis.

Allardyce has been offered a walk in the park compared to Rhino.

The stick Rhino took last week when injury to Baines forced to him to reshuffle an already cobbled together defence was unbelievable. We ended up with five regular defenders missing, a young right footed kid playing left back, a winger at right back and a 35-year-old captain who was so exhausted he could barely stand on his feet... but the manager was to blame because he chose the wrong options.

Still, a new man at the helm now. Let's see how he does.

Steve Ferns
123 Posted 30/11/2017 at 00:32:31
Just put MotD on the iPlayer. They have the side as a 4-2-3-1. Now is that because it was their guess before the game, or because that's what they thought was played?

Rooney was on the left, Gueye on the right and Davies in the middle. Rooney was often the furthest back and often covering Martina at left back. Second half there was a switch for a bit and Gueye dropped deeper, in that 15 minute spell as Moyes tried his old tricks to wrestle control of the midfield and get back into the game. But after saving the penalty and riding the storm out we got back to even and it was a flat 3 again.

So in essence, very much a 4-5-1, but with Sigurdsson in particular and Davies on occasion, getting right up there.

One player who nobody seems to saluting, who I thought was fantastic today was Calvert-Lewin. Didn't really get a sniff of goal. Didn't get the rub of the green, expect for winning the penalty, but he ran hard all game long. He was often isolated and he just did not stop.

Fantastic performance and I think Allardyce will have seen a Kevin Davies type performance in him, he's about the same height too.

Brent Stephens
124 Posted 30/11/2017 at 00:42:02
The win. Rooney. Kenney. Pickford. But my thoughts tonight are with Unsie (a win one match too late?). Hold your head up high, David. Your time will come.

"If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!"


Brent Stephens
125 Posted 30/11/2017 at 00:47:49
Steve, I totally agree about Calvert-Lewin. I heard people at the match say he does nothing. But I see a player who is tireless in his closing down of the defenders (Lukaku, are you looking?). and who wins ball after ball in the air – with nobody backing him up.
Michael Penley
127 Posted 30/11/2017 at 00:56:55
Mike (#117),

It is indeed disingenuous – that was my point. It is disingenuous and hypocritical to expect Unsworth to have transformed the team into a winning machine within 5 games, while giving Allardyce the requisite time needed to effect such a change.

In reality, Unsworth should have been given time to turn our fortunes around. But since he hasn't, and according to some that means he is useless and not ready for the Premier League, Allardyce should be judged according to the same measure.

Whether he will be remains to be seen. But I expect that if we are not winning every week in 2 months from now and still playing quite badly, the "give him time" and "Rome wasn't built in a day" calls will be thrown out like nobody's business.

Justin Doone
128 Posted 29/11/2017 at 01:01:12
What I already knew.

Baines is our best penalty taker. If not Baines maybe Siggy.
Rooney is still a quality player.
Calvert-Lewin, Davies, Gana and Kenny should play every game. There young enough and fit enough to do so.
Who ever the manager / recruiter is we need LB, CB, LW/LFwd, CF/Striker.
We do have a good squad although missing a few quality first teamers.
Schnides will not be missed.
Neither will Williams, move them on.
It's far easier to win when keeping a clean sheet.
It doesn't matter who the manager is, teams will struggle if you don't play players in their best position.
It's far too easy for poor teams to create chances against us.

What I learnt.

Andy Carroll's injury won us the game.
Moyes is still an Everton fan.
Not to start Antonio with no Carroll wax criminal, thank you David Moyes.
We have had incredible luck this season with teams hitting the woodwork and penalties saved, both at crucial times.
We can keep a clean sheet with Williams playing. Wow I didn't think it possible against anyone.
Sigurdsson and Rooney can play in the same team, against limited opposition.
Unsworth has given it his all. Simply not experienced enough at the top level.

Well done but what team will show up next?

Brent Stephens
129 Posted 30/11/2017 at 01:10:33
Justin "We can keep a clean sheet with Williams playing. Wow I didnt think it possible against anyone".

Despite not because of Williams, perhaps? The penalty...

Mike Hughes
130 Posted 30/11/2017 at 01:10:33
Michael (#127)

Fine. But applying hindsight after a 4-0 win is easy.(i'm Not saying it was hindsight, just a possibility).

Did you take the stance on Unsworth prior to this?

Or were you an advocate of the Unsworth option only when Allardyce became the unpalatable alternative?

Genuine question.

By the same token as your post, were you taking a Koeman Out stance?

I raise this point because i'm Not interested in the personalities, just EFC.

Andrew James
131 Posted 29/11/2017 at 01:19:02
That was a great result against a side in flux themselves. Credit to Pickford, Rooney, Lennon, Davies, Holgate, Kenny, Calvert-Lewin and Gana. Confident now we won't go down.

Rooney was incredible. I had him as scoring double figures this season, wondering if it might be as many as 20?

Steve Ferns
132 Posted 30/11/2017 at 01:26:41
I was with Unsworth all the way up to Southampton. He frustrated me by picking a 442. But I said all along, and I think I was the first to use the word in conjunction with Unsworth, that he had no authority. The players could simply look a couple of games down the line and think he would not be there any more so they could simply wait him out. Which meant he could not stick a rocket up anyone's arse.

Which led to all the "chopping and changing" he was so criticised for. People forget to mention the relentless schedule he had of two games a week for the entire period. Look at the rest of the Premier League, did Saints not change 5 players from the side that thrashed us? Is that not chopping and changing? is it not necessary to do this to keep players fresh? Is it also not necessary to do this to try to find a combination of players that work and around whom he could build a side?

However, the single and most important point for me, as that the schedule meant that he had no time at all on the training pitch and so he would not be able to effect changes.

Today, we saw a much improved defence. Kenny and Holgate know Unsworth well and it showed. Holgate was good. Actually he was very good but had a couple of bad moments that knocked his performance down a notch. But for me, the much maligned Williams put in his best performance of the season. Holgate and Williams seemed to work as a team. Williams bossed the youngster around and coached him through the game and used his legs to supplement the lack of his own. However, the lack of pace for West Ham helped. My point is that with 2 of the back 4 who know Unsworth and his systems, the defence looked very solid.

The only weakness came from Martina. I won't criticise him. I think he did the best he could do, and gave 100% effort. However, the lad has no left foot. How can he be expected to play left back? Each time he had to come back inside and moves ground to a halt and lost all momentum. The blame here is Koeman for buying him, and for registering him. If we hadn't bought him (and factored Holgate / Kenny was the right backs until Coleman came back), then we could have signed a left back on a free, or registered Garbutt, or even not sent Galloway out on loan. Instead we registered Martina and it's cost us dear.

Gordon Crawford
133 Posted 30/11/2017 at 01:42:15
We’re going to win the league.
Barry Williams
134 Posted 30/11/2017 at 01:47:34
Strange. I have entered a parallel universe in which I am happy after an Everton match. Not only that, we scored 4, one was a worldly and the keeper kept a clean sheet after a cracking penalty save! I must stop eating those toadstools!

Have to say, as poor as West Ham were, Kenny and Holgate deserve a mention as youngsters and so does Martina for playing left back and getting forward so readily. It was actually a team performance!

I am not being facetious or anything, but when there is something positive to post about, there seems an awful lot less posts!

David Israel
135 Posted 30/11/2017 at 01:49:33
Well, how about that? We suddenly find ourselves five points clear of the relegation places. What was the panic all about, one is almost tempted to ask.

Just like against Watford and Palace, the gods favoured us, but this time we deserved our good fortune, and played with energy and, at times, with some flair and composure. And we finally managed to get a clean sheet. About time to...

Rooney deserves all the praise, of course, as does Pickford, but I'm getting more and more impressed by Kenny. A determined and resolute player, who can also play football. And Holgate was much better than in his previous games.

Uncle Sam won't have as difficult a job now, I suppose.

Barry Williams
136 Posted 30/11/2017 at 01:52:03
Steve Ferns – (#132),

I agree entirely with your post, almost!

Unsworth was on a hiding to nothing and had very little support, time to train the players and hardly any Premier League home fixtures. His record in the Premier League is actually pretty good! Let's not forget we had the top scorer suspended too!

Barry Williams
137 Posted 30/11/2017 at 01:55:47
As you mention Steve, the ineptness of not registering Garbutt and sending out Galloway on loan with no left back cover and an ageing left back with 2 games a week to play was/is astounding!
Soren Moyer
138 Posted 30/11/2017 at 02:01:10
Delighted for Unsy and happy with 3 points. But let's not get carried away. West Ham are a really poor side, much worse than us. Fortunately, their penalty was saved – otherwise it could have been much tougher for us.
Michael Penley
139 Posted 30/11/2017 at 02:02:18
"Michael (#127),

But applying hindsight after a 4-0 win is easy. (I'm Not saying it was hindsight, just a possibility).

Did you take the stance on Unsworth prior to this?
Or were you an advocate of the Unsworth option only when Allard became the unpalatable alternative?

Genuine question.

By the same token as your post, were you taking a Koeman Out stance?

I raise this point because I'm Not interested in the personalities, just EFC.'"

I was fairly indifferent to Unsy until I saw that people were judging him unfairly and according to different standards than the likes of Koeman, Martinez, etc were judged. And I am wondering if Allardyce will get the same grace period as those managers got (and Unsy wasn't) simply because they were permanent appointments.

But I don't see why it matters who I'm rooting for. What I've asked is simply for some consistency in assessing our staff. Doesn't it point to somewhat of a strong bias in favor of Big Sam that his advocates refuse to let him be judged by the same measuring stick as Unsworth was?

Jamie Crowley
140 Posted 30/11/2017 at 02:22:21
Mentioning Calvert-Lewin and his workrate and tireless running and pressuring their back line is a great shout.

Without Calvert-Lewin chasing down, Rooney doesn't score a 60 yard goal I'll never forget.

Calvert-Lewin is due credit for that wonder-strike as he played the pivotal part in creating the opportunity for Rooney to shine.

Lee Brownlie
141 Posted 30/11/2017 at 03:07:48
Okay, Darren... so clearly not Unsworth's fault at all, the dodgy, disjointed, back line vs Saints.. just down to injuries, yeah? But didn't we have similar injury concerns before, albeit the dodgy cover put out by Koeman totally WAS his fault!

Now, I'm absolutely not saying you turned out to be wrong on old Ron... that's history... but Unsworth made no better fist of it, overall, simple as.

He also publicly slated the 'senior players' while leaving Rooney kicking his heels on the bench! Now that turned out to be a top idea, didn't it?

Ant Sorvoja
142 Posted 30/11/2017 at 03:18:15
Can we play against Moyes every week:

David Moyes has lost all five of his Premier League games against Everton since leaving the club, with an aggregate score of 12-0.

Gordon Beattie
143 Posted 30/11/2017 at 03:25:55
Steve Ferns (#132),

Looking back at Unworth's team selection over his 6 Premier League matches, he has made 2 changes, 3 changes, 3 changes, 2 changes and finally 5 changes for tonight's match so we can ignore this "chopping and changing" criticism from pundits who presumably wanted him to field his best team in the now meaningless Europa League.

The new manager could relieve the pressure of the relentless schedule by sending Unsworth and the Under-23s to Cyprus so that he has a full week with the first team to prepare for the derby match.

On the subject of Galloway does anyone know if he can be recalled. Pennington scored in the last derby match so we should recall him as well.

Barry Williams
144 Posted 30/11/2017 at 03:26:00
Unsworth's Premier League record from what I can work out!

P6 W3 D1 L2 F13 A10

Not bad is it? With the squad we had and him taking over 2 pretty bad teams, that reads well. I am discounting the cups, but all things considered, what was he supposed to do with such a weak squad of aged players and kids? Rotation was always on the cards.

He wasn't that out of his depth considering the time he had and the state of the squad mentally! The 2 league losses were away and we haven't won away since January I believe!

Just a thought!

Jay Harris
145 Posted 30/11/2017 at 04:04:27
Can we please celebrate Unsy's last game and a rare 4-0 win and enjoy the occasion rather than turn it into a Unsy v Big Sam pissing contest.

I said before the game that I thought West Ham were shit and couldn't understand why posters were so nervous but I have to say lady luck stayed with us tonight. 2-0 and cruising relatively speaking and then we sit back and get nervous again and only a crossbar and a brilliant penalty save won that game for us.

I thought Calvert-Lewin and Kenny were magnificent, Rooney showed some class and Tom Davies, Aaron Lennon and Sigurdsson showed a tireless work rate.

Still I hope to see Niasse and Calvert-Lewin in the team at the weekend and really have a good go at Huddersfield before the big one.

Kevin Moorcroft
146 Posted 30/11/2017 at 04:33:28
Build on tonight – simple really!!!
John Pierce
147 Posted 30/11/2017 at 05:16:42
Out on New York tonight. A bit squiffy. Why do we need that lard arse?
John Pierce
148 Posted 30/11/2017 at 05:32:06
Very emotional. The reality that he is our manager yet we turn in that for Unsy.

Under the lights and that goal. Sumptuous just sexual in the extreme fron Wayne.

His face, his reaction, just like any of us had knocked it in. Tears.

Tom Dodds
149 Posted 30/11/2017 at 05:42:48
I was soo nearly not going last night.

It was really cold, a mate and neighbour who only recently cancelled his season ticket would've come round, loads of wine and Leffe (Aldi big bottles btw!) the drive to the station/soccerbus and after all the sickening defeats we'd just had + Fat Sam as manager? "Why the fuck should I?" I thought..

...But I did!!!

Gareth Rosslee
150 Posted 30/11/2017 at 05:51:21
Baines is a loyal servant and formerly a good player, but there’s no coincidence we thrived without him. He’s dished up tripe all season and hardly a peep on here.
Clive Mitchell
151 Posted 30/11/2017 at 06:02:08
Fell asleep when I got back so only read a few dozen posts.

We had an Everton side back tonight. I'm not saying we were great, but this was a side that had bite in the challenge, was on its toes, moving for the ball. West Ham looked a bit like we've looked all season.

Anyway, what I'm left thinking is – a side without Keane, Jags, Baines and above all the woeful Schneiderlin fought and performed, and it's no coincidence. Crude as he is, Williams walks into our best 11. Tom Davies was immense tonight – support him, don't Barkley him. Gueye thrives on the energy around him in that team. Well done Kenny! COYB!

John G Davies
152 Posted 30/11/2017 at 06:26:06
Steve 108,

It was, mate. We can go half each on Sam's wages.

Bob Parrington
153 Posted 30/11/2017 at 06:38:51
I forgot to put something in my earlier thread.

"Well done lads!". Fab win and no goals against!

Let's repeat it against Huddersfield!

Gio Mero
154 Posted 30/11/2017 at 06:41:10
Great for morale. The players' and ours. West Ham were really poor tonight. I think we can snatch a few points with Allardyce between now and January.

But I can't help thinking we scored three with a midfielder and one with a defender. No threat whatsoever in attack which needs to be addressed; until then, a dog fight every game.

Ernie Baywood
155 Posted 30/11/2017 at 07:09:54
Some collected thoughts...

Formations and tactics are only part of the challenge for a manager. Having a team committed to the cause will always have an impact. Did Unsworth make some tactical and selection mistakes? Absolutely, but shame on the players who suddenly located their balls, regardless of whether it was because it was Rhino's last game or because they knew their next manager was in the stand.

And shame on the management of this club who put an Evertonian in charge of a set of weak characters without the right backing.

The game itself, well it was obviously much better. Mind you, Williams was still shite and the penalty he gave away so amateurish. What was he swinging his foot at?

I thought Kenny and Sigi were standouts.

Rooney is still class. That third goal will be under-appreciated by those who never played at a decent level, in the same way that his overhead kick in the Manchester derby was over-appreciated by the same people. Such a perfect strike of a moving, bobbling ball. Incredible technique.

Rick Pattinson
156 Posted 30/11/2017 at 07:36:52
Our only half-decent performance. So what happens now... do we keep that team??? I still don't know what our strongest line-up is. Do we drop Baines, Keane, Jagielka, Mirallas and Schneiderlin???
Mike Hughes
157 Posted 30/11/2017 at 07:57:33
Michael #139

Allardyce hasn't even started yet. So your judgement statement makes little sense.

I mainly see bias against him before he's even arrived. In fact, it's more than than – it is out-and-out low level bigotry from apparently high-minded people.

Anyway, he's here now. Time to get behind him as with every Everton manager (at least until he perhaps proves he's not up to it).

Hopefully our supporters will give him the same chance / time they gave Martinez and Koeman. So far, he's smoked a few of our fans out who won't be going to the match while he is here.

I would not want to be in the trenches with them. Incredible double standards to some of these posts.

Andy Meighan
158 Posted 30/11/2017 at 08:02:38
Steve Ferns (#106),

I said you were complacent. Still think you are. We are not out of the woods yet by any stretch and have got to keep that level of performance up...

Can they? We all certainly hope so... But you sound as if you're trying to take some credit for the win and team selection.

Anyway, seeing as you're not going to be there for the next 2½ years, maybe we'll be spared your expert coaching analysis before and after every game. Hope so.

Ian Hollingworth
159 Posted 30/11/2017 at 08:23:02
So the stats merchants are omitting the abysmal Europa League games from Unsy's record, very convenient guys.

You are totally deluded if you think keeping Unsworth was a good option and even more deluded if you try to pin the improvement last night on David Unsworth.

Sadly, I think you will find that the commitment and improvement last night was on the back of hiring a full time manager who may just kick the arses of those overpaid players who have been a disgrace to the blue shirt recently regardless of who the manager is.

For the record I think the board handed Unsy a poisoned chalice and any blame lies at their feet.

Paul Smith
161 Posted 30/11/2017 at 08:41:06
It would appear we have some quality players' that can win us games, Jordan, Wayne & the improving Sigurdsson. Big shout to Kenny an exemplar of the SOS, I think and hope.

As someone alluded to early in this thread, a paucity of offerings after such a good win, is TW in danger of becoming a venting tool without hope? I pray it isn't, after all, it's my favourite go to site after X-Hamster! ;-)

Dale Rose
162 Posted 30/11/2017 at 08:45:51
Great result, especially after Sunday, I thought the fallout from that one would dog us. Great to see the team playing so well. West Ham although not good last night, are a good side that can play football and cause an upset.

Just hope we can build, and Unsworth, can keep bringing our youngsters on. He has showed a great deal of character over the past 6 weeks after a shit storm. Have a great respect for him.

I can understand some of the posters on here showing their displeasure over the last few months, and can't argue with many of the comments. I fail to understand though, those that are talking about not supporting the club anymore. You pick your team and stick with it.

Michael Lynch
163 Posted 30/11/2017 at 08:54:54
Hilarious revisionism from the "anyone but Sam" brigade on here. Unsworth unfortunately was a disaster, to try and dress it up as a success is patronising to both Rhino and the fans. What games have you been watching?

Your stats are selective and misleading as they don't include Europa games, nor do they allow for the abysmal performances that we all (well most of us) saw. But, if you are going to select stats, as MotD said last night, compare the stats of the teams Sam took over, before and after. He improves struggling teams. That's what he does. That what he's been brought to Everton to do.

Unsworth is a great Evertonian, but his short reign has seen some of the worst, must gutless, chaotic performances I've seen from an Everton side in 50 years of watching them. I'm hoping Sam can sort them out and put some pride back into the club. In the meantime, any fan who has some kind of irrational vendetta against Allardyce is welcome to sit the next 18 months out. See ya.

Bill Gienapp
164 Posted 30/11/2017 at 08:57:10
So does Rooney's goal overtake Siggy's wonder strike against Hadjuk Split as the frontrunner for goal of the season? I'd still give Siggy the (slight) nod in terms of degree of difficulty, though Rooney's had a bit more context/emotion to it.
Eddie Dunn
165 Posted 30/11/2017 at 09:00:32
We found something better with Rooney in the midfield and Schneiderlin off the park. Unsworth's persistence with the French Statue was hard to understand. Let's hope that the players grow in confidence and that Allardyce drags us upwards.

It is clear that the players sub-consciously switched-off as the club drifted aimless for 5 weeks. It shows the need for decisiveness, and that leadership from the top is paramount for the whole organism to work properly.

Kevin Tully
166 Posted 30/11/2017 at 09:06:31
Oops, late for work, who cares? What a night. Can we please now do away with this myth of of two defensive midfielders? Martinez started it, Koeman loved it, and it doesn't suit our players. Sell Scheiderlin in January, he's finished here, and Moyes will take Mirallas.

Special mentions to Kenny and Davies. Both got forward at every opportunity. They were a breath of fresh air.

"Going on to bigger and better things" eh, Moyesy? How's that working out for you? Looking forward to the next game for the first time this season. We've been appalling for 20 something games. How did that happen?

Terry McLavey
167 Posted 30/11/2017 at 09:08:21
A great evening! I thought someone had put something in my drink! If having Sam in the stands causes that reaction all well and good. I liked the way he was clapping and smiling at the end, I don't think I've seen him smile before?!!

Sometimes the most unlikely things work out? Time will tell and no-one knows, even the experts on here.

Off topic ,I didn't like the smug smile and comment Klopp made about the upcoming derby on match of the day, perhaps he may be in for a surprise?

Tony Graham
168 Posted 30/11/2017 at 09:10:46
Great respect for Unsy. Pleased for him last night...

He did his best, stood tall, and took the flak. A true blue, good luck Davey lad...
George Stuart
169 Posted 30/11/2017 at 09:10:49
A couple of things from last nights highlights reel.

No 1. Unsies reaction to Rooney's third goal. He went mental. Was it a supporter, a manager knowing the three points were in the bag, or a friend made up for his mate. Unsie, top bloke.

No 2. Wayne's second goal. He bombed up from just inside the half way mark. True, the West Ham defence moved to their left as a unit of very highly paid schoolboys. But Wayne saw the space and filled it.

No 3. Both penalties were illegally saved. We have goal line technology now. Use it to stop cheating goalies cheating (cf Jersey Dudek in the Champions League final).

A ways to go yet but optimism rears its head. Don't fuck it up, Sam.

Peter Laing
170 Posted 30/11/2017 at 09:14:57
I commented earlier in the week that Jagielka should be replaced by Rooney as Club Captain and Baines replaced as Vice Captain by Seamus Coleman. Rooney proved last night that he has the leadership qualities required and is more vocal, prepared to lead from the front and contest every decision given by the referee.

Although Rooney is in decline he is still one of the best footballers that we have on the books and along with Sigurdsson and Barkley (if or when he returns) to cause the opposition problems. Coming up against the top four might be a big ask but for the other three quarter of teams Rooney should be starting in every game.

Andrew Wayne
171 Posted 30/11/2017 at 09:44:06
Having got back later last night, I did a quick catch-up on the match this morning – recorded by Mrs who bailed last night – and with limited time before off to the grind ran the VT (easy this media lingo) at 2x to get the highlights. You can glean a lot more of the pattern of play than in real time this way. One or two points worth flagging:

1. We kept our shape all through the game there was little errant movement with the ebb and flow of the defence/midfield consistent and well organised.

2. Rooney bossed the game – you could see this on the pitch but it is more evident when speeded up.

3. Kenny played a blinder both in defence and getting forward but helped by the defence having cover from midfield when going forward which has been a real problem of late. We largely stopped West Ham getting down the flanks and getting crosses in.

4. Rooney sat deep for much of the game including getting back into defend numerous times in the 18 yard box - he wasn't disruptive as he can sometimes be when he plays a conventional forward No 10 and drops deep confusing other roles.

5. The defence held the line much much better and Williams actually did a bit of leadership with Martina (who was the one who kept forgetting where he was playing).

6. We sat too deep at the start of the second half and invited West Ham on – a problem with an overly defensive midfield which better teams punish as the ball keeps coming back at us.

7. Even speeded up, Savage is a prat.

Good performance all around and reminiscent of that vs Man City last season.

Gus McEwan
172 Posted 30/11/2017 at 09:52:14
Michael Lynch (163).

Well said sir. Could not agree more.

Simon Jones
173 Posted 30/11/2017 at 09:55:12
I'm not getting carried away, we still have an unbalanced side, but at least a hat-trick from the current leading, all-time Premier League goal scorer might put to bed this stupid, "We don't have any strikers myth." Niasse to come back at the weekend, Calvert-Lewin still learning his trade and knocking a few in, plus Sandro, who may, or may not still turn out to be brilliant... or rubbish.

If we could win at the weekend, new manager, Huddersfield starting to slide, and other results go our way, which if you look at the fixtures could well do (I'd only reckon on Leicester getting 3 points), then we could be in the top half come 5pm on Saturday.

Dave Richman
174 Posted 30/11/2017 at 10:00:36
Ian Hollingworth @ 159

Beat me to it, mate. If we're really going to use meaningless win percentages to compare managers, then surely Sam's 100% win ratio with England is the best one of all... probably.

Ernie Baywood
175 Posted 30/11/2017 at 10:22:38
Michael (#163) – Who is proclaiming the Unsworth period to be a success? I get that you disproved it, but no-one's claiming that!

At best I'll say it was inconsistent, ranging from not good enough to disgraceful. With last night thrown on the top once it was all but over.

For what it's worth I'm not going to judge a man too harshly on two European games in a comp we were pretty much out of and were simultaneously in a relegation battle not of his causing? He sent out experimental teams and we got twatted. It's pretty straightforward. I couldn't care less about those games once it was clear we were done for. Atalanta still left a very bitter taste but ultimately didn't matter beyond damaging already frail confidence.

In the league he won both home games, and returned a draw and two losses away from home. The first win at home was incredibly fortunate. The last emphatic. Away we ranged from honest endeavor but not good enough (Leicester and Palace) to an absolute shambles (Southampton).

Success? Not even slightly. It brought a season low point and highlighted the weak characters in the squad. But even that was an improvement on Ronald's last month.

Prior to that we hadn't won at home in 4 – while Europe still had some meaning. He achieved something didn't he? A few points on the board and called out shithouses like Mirallas and Schneiderlin. In horrible circumstances.

He was the only one at the club who stood up over the last 5 weeks. For that at least he deserved last night.

Derek Knox
176 Posted 30/11/2017 at 10:25:40
There's a long way go go, but a positive start to the Renaissance of Everton.

I have often said on here we do have a nucleus of good players, admittedly light in a couple of areas, and overstocked in others. Hopefully an astute shopping list in January, won't break the bank, but deliver those missing pieces.

The difference last night, apart from the ever hapless Martina, the others worked as a team with drive and enthusiasm. Having said that, West Ham were very poor, and stiffer opposition would have resulted in a different scoreline altogether.

Confidence, which we have lacked for quite some time now, can be all the difference between a run of results and survival, and further downward spiraĺling.

It was no coincidence either that the dropping of Schneiderlin and Mirallas made a huge impact. After the fiasco at Finch Farm, I just could not believe, or forgive, Unsy still picking them for first team duty.

Now let's follow this up against Huddersfield on Saturday, and increase that confidence further before the next away game, against the Dark Side.

Simon Jones
177 Posted 30/11/2017 at 10:32:18
Ernie 175

Absolutely spot-on. Never expected Unsy to go from U23s to managing the first team in Europe in the space of a few weeks. He stood up and I bet he learned a lot about himself and the players from those poor performances.

Ray Jacques
178 Posted 30/11/2017 at 10:38:27
Unsworth's overall record is W2, L5, D1. Two absolute hammerings in that.
Brian Williams
179 Posted 30/11/2017 at 11:17:48
I thought I knew about football. After a lifetime of playing, supporting, assistant managing and watching thousands of games, I thought I knew about the game.

Last night proves I know sod-all because how a group of players can do such a Jekyll-and-Hyde over the course of several days really is beyond me.

I walked, or floated, out of Goodison last night on an absolute high having enjoyed a game for the first time in many weeks. I slept well for the first time in many weeks (yeh I know, sad).

But I've woken today, and as happy as I am, there's something there that keeps asking "Why not last game?" "Why not last week"?

There's a constant "if only" feeling there, as in, if only they'd have had the spirit, the confidence, and to some degree the luck, that they had last night in previous weeks.

I'm looking forward to Saturday's game, and hoping for more of the same. We need to score first, and we need to score early and then I feel we'll go on and win well. Confidence breeds confidence and who knows what can happen then.

Paul A Smith
180 Posted 30/11/2017 at 11:22:32
Unsworth has a 50% win record apparently. That's untrue in Premier League results and still untrue if you count Europa League results. Lets stop saying he was pathetic or making out he has done enough to suggest he can take the job full-time.

It's taken weeks to get a decent result against a side that is in deep trouble like us. Last night, I came away thinking there's one worse team than us now.

Luck has played a great part and a great game changing moment from Pickford. Rooney doesn't get that much time and space against a top team and ideally Unsworth is not starting Holgate.

Last week, Rooney doesn't start; this week, he is captain. Unsworth done what he thought was right and ended on a win.

Move on now – the arguments over Allardyce are total pointless. I would take Simeone over Unsworth but I can't. He's here... so, unless you're getting hypnotised or frozen, stop pretending you're not a fan anymore.

Hywel Owen
181 Posted 30/11/2017 at 11:24:16
Well done EFC. The change in players' attitudes compared to last Sunday was astonishing. Was it something to do with a certain person sitting in the stands.

Shame on them all for the way they have treated David Unsworth. One thing is certain – the skivers in that squad are not going to be around for very long. I wonder who they could be?

Jay Wood
182 Posted 30/11/2017 at 11:28:08
So...since Tuesday evening I've been without internet for 36 hours. Just got it back.

Did I miss much..?

Brian Williams
183 Posted 30/11/2017 at 11:29:22
Jay nah, same ole same ole mate.
Dave Abrahams
184 Posted 30/11/2017 at 11:32:56
John G and Steve Ferns after you have stopped praising each other over Rooney's performance last night because you suggested he play in that position weeks ago, let's see how he performs there against better teams than West Ham, one better still watch his performance in the first twenty minutes after the start of the second half.

Was panicking and as poor as the rest of them, he is the old hand dictating the game, should have been putting his foot on the ball, slowing them down and having a calming affect on the side, watch him and see how he plays in that period.

Mike Powell
185 Posted 30/11/2017 at 11:45:19
One thing from last night: no Schneiderlin or Mirallas and we looked much better in midfield. Just a thought...
John G Davies
186 Posted 30/11/2017 at 11:53:02
Take it, Nelson Dave.

Wasn't praising myself at all. Just a little laugh.

Not like you that mate, over celebrated last night?🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺

Darren Hind
187 Posted 30/11/2017 at 11:54:09
Come on, Dave A, let John G and Steve have their fun.

The best thing about it is when I said it to Steve months ago he didn't agree at all... but to be fair I've changed my mind about Rooney playing there. He was okay when he had the cigar out, but even Moyes sussed him out, once they started to squeeze him early in the second half denying him space he struggled to keep possession what a goal though.

I think Rooney could play the Pirlo role in one of the slower paced European leagues, but after last night I know he couldn't do it for a whole match in the premier league.

Still they would make an entertaining double act, Steve's confused tactics and John G's habit of planning a strategy to counter opponents who aren't even playing – Still laughing at how meticulous he was in his plans to stop a guy who was suspended last week.

John McFarlane [Snr]
188 Posted 30/11/2017 at 11:59:30
Hi, Dave (184),

I have left a message for you on the "Favourites aren't always the best" thread, I feel that you may be giving me a bit of a rebuke also, but I appreciate that we all have our opinions and I will accept it as one Evertonian to another.

John G Davies
189 Posted 30/11/2017 at 12:09:02
And 30 seconds later up he pops 😂.

You're that obsessed with TW you have even saved your posts to get over the five posts rule. Get a life, young man

You'll not hear back from me on this thread so fire away.

Sam Hoare
190 Posted 30/11/2017 at 12:15:53
Rooney obviously had a stormer last night but I too remain unconvinced about him in a deeper role. He loses possession too frequently and I'd like to see the 'mistakes leading to chances' stats but I think he could be up there.

Perhaps useful at home against poor teams where having some deeper lying creativity is useful but I'm not sure about it in tougher games.

I wonder how Sam will set us up. Trying to get my head round his appointment still (a desperate decision in my mind) and hoping he will see this as his (last/only) chance to show that he can get good results without resorting to hoofball, which we are currently ill-equipped for at any rate.

If he wants to bring in some stronger, faster players in January then I'm on board with that. Wonder who he'll target?

Steve Solomon
191 Posted 30/11/2017 at 12:29:00
Ironically, Unsy finally got the team selection and balance right last night. It took him that long to figure out who would play and who was the dead wood.

I have long felt that Rooney was the only one giving 100% through all this (of the senior players) and he deserves the hat-trick and the credit. He was the midfield general we've been missing. Central mid for him from now on in my eyes.

It's certainly made Sam's job easier by showcasing the true nucleus of the squad through his selections last night.

Kudos to Sigurdsson too, I thought he put in a good showing.

Great win, something to build on.

John McFarlane [Snr]
192 Posted 30/11/2017 at 12:48:46
Apologies Dave [184] I got my threads tangled, It's music is my heartbeat.
Barry Williams
193 Posted 30/11/2017 at 12:58:46
Ian Hollingworth - 159

Agreed that Unsworth was handed a poison chalice, so given the fact that he was handed a poison chalice, then his record in the premier league was okay, and this is what he obviously prioritized.

I posted premier league stats, but also quantified them by putting Unsworth's position in perspective, a poison chalice as you have said yourself!

No time to train or prepare an inherited squad of either aged or inexperienced players, thus rotation was necessary.

Koeman left with us in the relegation positions I believe. Now we are not. Is that revisionism? Were we going to qualify for the Europa knock out stages under Koeman?

And we have also unearthed a gem in Benigme!

John Graham
194 Posted 30/11/2017 at 13:03:54
Great win. Some good performances by Pickford, Rooney and Sigurdsson, although I was a bit nervous when they got the penalty as they seemed to be getting into the game more.

Good send off for Unsworth but I think the thought of not upsetting Big Sam was on the players' minds also.

Let's hope it's a bit of a turning point in our season. Hopefully we will keep a similar team for next week and then introduce players bit by bit so it doesn't upset the play too much.

Still a long way to go and lots of room for improvement but it's a start
Michael Lynch
195 Posted 30/11/2017 at 13:11:05
Ernie @175 – here you go mate, Steve Ferns: "Superb Unsworth. You bow out with a record of 3 wins, 1 draw and 2 defeats. 6 games, 10 Premier League points. A win ratio of 50%. A points per game of 1.67. Now it's over to Mr 34% and his 1.2 PPG."

That's the kind of bollocks I'm talking about. Now I'm a huge fan of Unsworth, and he deserves every credit for standing up and taking on a thankless task. But statistics can be manipulated anyway you like if you use them as selectively as that, in a desperate attempt to slag off Allardyce.

John McFarlane [Snr]
196 Posted 30/11/2017 at 13:14:06
Hi Dave [184] sorry for the confusion, I was right the first time 'Favourites aren't always the best,' I guess I'm still in shock after last nights game.
Kim Vivian
197 Posted 30/11/2017 at 13:31:30
Did anyone notice that Rooney's wonder goal last night nearly didn't happen – it was nearly blocked by the ref. Oliver only just dodged out of the way.
Barry Williams
198 Posted 30/11/2017 at 14:06:47
Kim Vivian – 197

It was a pretty nifty and dexterous move from the ref I have to say!

Jim Wilson
199 Posted 30/11/2017 at 14:21:58
Well played Rooney. It makes a mockery of those who say you are finished.
Well done Moyes too. Only you could organise your team to get well beat by a club in crisis. You have the perfect record against Everton. In Moyes we trust!
Derek Knox
200 Posted 30/11/2017 at 14:28:42
Kim, the ref is claiming an assist! :-)
Paul Kossoff
201 Posted 30/11/2017 at 14:40:02
A quick move led to Rooney's goal? It was an excellent passing play that had Rooney running from deep in his own half to finish it in the Hammers penalty area. If it was Man City, they would be jumping!
Dave Abrahams
202 Posted 30/11/2017 at 15:30:55
John G (186), I wasn't. having a go at you and Steve Ferns but telling you both to wait and see him (Rooney) do what he did last night, in the first half mostly, against a better and more pressing team.

Wayne had a good game obviously but the highlights of his game were the second and the absolutely fabulous third goal, now that was a goal only a footballer with a great football brain could score. Unfortunately the football brain is still there but the body can only play in fits and starts.

So you can keep your hair on John G !!!!!!!

John G Davies
203 Posted 30/11/2017 at 15:44:25
Dave, I know that, mate.

I wish I had hair to keep on!

I'm in between Rooney and a coconut nowadays 👍

Paul Holmes
204 Posted 30/11/2017 at 16:03:34
I have to eat humble pie after that. I posted we would get beat with Holgate playing centre-back (because I remember his performance against Lyon at home).

West Ham having Andy Carroll missing was a blessing, and the crossbar and the penalty miss would have made a different game. Still loads to work on but great result; better coaching for the defenders in the weeks to come.

Getting Niasse back and a resurgent Rooney should get us to the January transfer window in okay shape, then hopefully Allardyce will ship loads out and get some in for a better second half to the season and a good FA Cup run!

Mike Allen
205 Posted 30/11/2017 at 16:08:35
I started watching Everton in the old Division 2. Since then, we had a top manager in the sixties, early seventies... then dross until we gave an up-and-coming young manager a chance in the eighties.

Then Heysel fucked us up good style. Then Big Joe gave us a trophy in the nineties. Kenwright and Moyes stabilised us as a run-of-the-mill club that could not compete with the big boys...

Then dross again... so quoting stat after stat to belittle Unsy and Sam does not make any sense. Over the past 60 years plus, we have been in the doldrums more often than not.

It will take a lot more than Moshiri's few bob to get us to where many of you think we should be. Just support whoever is in charge – don't stat him out before he's got the job!

John Pierce
206 Posted 30/11/2017 at 16:24:23
Just sobering up last night after big meet up in New York. For a midweek game, a big turnout.

If felt like vultures picking over a dead carcass pre-game. Alot of gnashing of teeth and revolt about the impending appointment.

The game almost a side show. The ale skewers the memory but we were okay, but rode our luck and Rooney’s powers more than adequate to dispense with a truly shabby West Ham.

With the hangover raging and the post match vibe fading, the reality is stark. We now have a manager I’m completely opposed to and wonder why most cannot see the naked ambition in Allardyce. He doesn’t think we are relegation candidates and covets this job. He wants take us on, and this will be the first job he gets to spend properly.

He won’t be gone in six months. Sour times.

Mike Crawford
208 Posted 30/11/2017 at 17:47:03
Kim @197. Yes – that and the attempted hand ball. Only watched it about a dozen times. Shows how bad things have been.

Can't remember the last time I got a score update that wasn't Everton 0

Les Martin
211 Posted 30/11/2017 at 18:49:47
Great result being at the game last night and the type of send-off David Unsworth deserved.

Prior to the kick-off, several and me included thought the line up yet again looked completely unbalanced with just Lennon on one wing and no-one in front of Martina on the other.

The bad news first: we beat a very poor West Ham side last night who could not play any worse in the first half, and when they improved in the second, for the first 15 minutes we reverted to type, and again we looked a shambles until Rooney's wonder goal.

The positives: it looked as though the players were trying to impress the new Boss in the stand, and the biggest plus was the emergence of the younger players, with Kenny putting in a great performance.

We have 7 or 8 really good young players in or around the first team and in a few years we could be right up there.

Onwards and upwards!

John G Davies
213 Posted 30/11/2017 at 19:43:33
OK Dave.


Geoff Evans
214 Posted 30/11/2017 at 20:10:26
Top post, Ian (#159). Agree with all you say, especially the arse-kicking part.
Tony Abrahams
215 Posted 30/11/2017 at 20:15:27
Darren @122, maybe Allerdyce will make it look like a walk in the park?

We had conceded nine in two games, and kids "playing pairs" on the field, (the streets have gone sadly) have had more help than our entire team, because they've been playing every man for themself!

Suddenly Pickford is in no hurry to kick the ball, the centr-halfs, are not getting pulled wide, and Ghana Gueye, is holding his position, and playing centrally.

All of a sudden it looks like we have had a proper team Talk? Someone to guide the players, instead of pinging them all over the place, and the calmness it produced, definitely showed out on the pitch last night?

John G Davies
216 Posted 01/12/2017 at 06:46:43
Pudding and beef, Tony.

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