Everton still paying most of Koeman's salary

Have to say I had more faith in the pathetic Kenwright than this duffer!

Or were they simply so desperate in each case that they would agree to any cockamamie severance clause in order to get their man?

Rather ironic that it should be Prentice in The Echo, that great organ of investigative journalism, who is revealing this to the local football world, much to the annoyance of the club.

How accurate that is, I don't know. But if true, it does seem like we're getting stung for higher payouts that are closer to the full value of remaining contract.

I would place a hefty wager there is a 2- or 3-yearly turnaround of managers in your local after you have regaled with your positive spirit.

We pay enough to put even the remotest cousin through college.

The contract given to Martinez when his existing contract still had plenty of time to run was ridiculous. Koeman quite possibly told the Dutch FA in his interview that they can have him for a reduced rate, as he was being paid anyway. I wonder, how much was his predecessor paid?

It then defies logic that the next manager would be employed on a contract that did not somewhere include some sort of get out clause.

I have no doubt that, when Allardyce leaves, he will be as happy as Martinez and Koeman and more than likely the next guy will be equally recompensed.

A great industry, a bit like being a banker – no I did say Banker – whereby failure is rewarded. Wish I was as lucky!

"If a manager is sacked before the end of his contract he is entitled to the full 100% amount of the remainder of the contract."

And there lies the frigging insanity Brian.

For us, got job. Was sacked for being shite. No more pay or good reference.

And club hopes for 55,000+ to pay for these con artists.

I would feel so robbed if I still had season ticket. Would leave every game feeling they saw me coming regardless how they played.

On that basis, the Kenwright regime was at fault for Martinez's contract, the Moshiri regime at fault for Koeman's.

Would it be too simplistic to point to Elstone as a common denominator here?

Sign a long-term contract. Fail miserably. Get sacked and receive a 7-figure pay-off. Tour the TV studios pointing out where other managers are going wrong. Wait for another manager to lose their job. Get their job. Repeat the cycle.

It's been reflected in how we've paid over the going rate for the likes of Klaassen, Keane and Sigurdsson and also clearly here in Koeman's salary. We offered him the terms we needed to in order to prise him away from Southampton and to get the new "owner's" man in place. Great when it works out; expensive when it doesn't.

The way his contract/severance was structured at least means we aren't shelling out 100% of what was left on his deal. And I'm sure the hope and expectation was that Koeman would land another role at another club that would pay him a lot more than Holland are so that we would be making up much less of a shortfall. It obviously hasn't worked out that way and I suspect it will be another lesson learned along the way.

I know they sacked him before the end of the season, but if this is right I'm sure they'd have used this.

My point being, I wonder if our board thought of this sort of clause in the manager's contract???

It will net him a few more million than if he was an unmotivated, passive, outside observer.

As for Martinez's new contract, who on earth was objecting after that first great season? If you look back on here, we were all worried he was off to manage Barcelona!

All this shows is the roller-coaster nature of football, and how things can sour at great speed.

As for slapping in performance pay clauses, then the manager, ie, Koeman would decline, and get the contract he wants elsewhere and we'd struggle to get the candidate we want. The odds are stacked in the manager's favour as we are the ones who are desperate.

The manager who would sign a contract with them type of clauses would have to be a spineless, self-centred manager.

Only the club's lawyers will know and so it may be again at the end of this season, if there's further changes at EFC in the summer.

The move of the business and admin side of the club to the new office at the Liver building will perhaps see the end of an era for many and, if Farhad Moshiri is as shrewd a business man as we are led to believe, then who knows what is around the corner?

There's been so much negative press the last week over the Bramley-Moore Dock project, it would take a brave man to predict what the next 5 months will bring in the history of EFC.

Mark Hughes is an example of this. He has left Stoke and really doesn't care any more about whether they are relegated or not as long as he is able to save Southampton. This demonstrates unmitigated arrogance. Money, money, money is all they care about.

I am not a fan of Alec Ferguson but he will always support and follow Manchester United.That is one of the reasons why Kendall was so successful with Everton. They were, "in his heart and in his soul". Sure he was also well paid,. but he will never be considered as a mercenary.

So few of today's managers give a toss about the team. The many managers we now have from abroad don't come hear for the weather.Once again it is money. This is one of the reasons why I desperately wanted Dave Unsworth to be successful. However he came in at a significantly difficult time and never really had the opportunity to prove himself. I agree that nobody can tell if he would have made the grade as a top class manager.

Allardyce has now taken over and he very obviously came in only for the money. Unfortunately, that alone is the game today. Every one of today's managers would leave their well paid post if another club came along and offered them an big increase in salary. Loyalty and love of club has flown out of the window.

We need to realise that, whoever becomes the next manager for Everton ,will "only" be there for the money. The only exceptions would be if we took on an ex-player who had Everton in his blood. I have absolutely no idea who that could be.

Even if one of today's manager is very successful, as Conte was last season with Chelsea, they are only a blip in that team's history. He is very likely to be gone after this season. He will no longer care whether Chelsea win the league or are relegated.He can then swear his loyalty to the next club willing to give him millions of pounds, euros or dollars. Yes, it doesn't even matter which country or continent he goes to.

I feel very strongly about the managers of today and their complete lack of scruples or loyalty. I have more admiration for those who manage Accrington Stanley, Barrow or Tranmere. However perhaps they are are also only in it for the money despite it being much less. On second thoughts I will direct my genuine admiration to the nameless guy who coaches manages and inspires my Grandson's team of hyper nine-year-olds. His only salary is respect from parents and even they don't always agree with his decisions.

On looking well back, I just wish dashing "Dave Hickson" could have been Everton's manager. Even if had only been for a week. His love of the Toffees would likely be the same as mine. At 78, I would still take over my beloved "Blues" for nothing. All they need to do is call me. Just think how much money they could save. And let's face it – money is everything. CYOB

With Big Sam, Bobby Brown Shoes and Koeman, that's over 㿊M in management payoffs. That's scandalous amounts of money and no way to run a business. Will anyone take responsibility? No... because it's Everton!!!

Let a great big nuclear apple fall on his smug Dutch head.

"No not like THAT!

What an arsehole... the man has become a multi-millionaire out of being sacked by clubs.

It's the greatest job that has ever been invented.

It might take a while to get things right. Man City started off with Mark Hughes and spent a ton of money and didn't get instant success. We need to identify the right guy and back him, but how do you choose the right guy?

In his first season, Martinez looked like he could be the man to take us to the next level. Koeman came in with a good record and did well in season one. We could get this Fonseca feller in after his exploits with Shaktar and he could be Bobby Mk II or the next Pocheti no. It's impossible to predict the future. Alex Ferguson had a shaky start to his Man Utd career, but with a bit of patience he excelled.

Allardyce has done his job, getting us out of the mire, but he clearly isn't the guy to drive us forward, and we're going to have to pay him for a year's work he will not do.

I don't know the answer, but whoever comes in should have a long-term strategy and be given enough time to get things working. If we keep chopping and changing, it's going to end up a mess.

Where do we find someone who can spend big money wisely, but also pick up rough diamonds and incorporate youth products? Someone who can install a winning culture, build a solid defence, play entertaining football, not be constantly linked to a move to a bigger club? Someone with a long-term strategy, but who can also hit the ground running? Someone positive, but not full of bullshit. Someone who can admit when they get things wrong, but not alienate our best players.

Not a lot to ask for ;)

No, not that Koeman is being paid what he is contractually entitled to receive, but why so many on here think getting paid what was legally and freely agreed is so wrong.

When Martinez was sacked, most of us were critical that the club paid out the majority of his unexpired contract without forcing him to mitigate his losses. Here the club do just that by only paying the difference between his old and new salary and still people complain! As I say, unbelievable.

The real story here is not that the club is paying the difference, but more that he appears to have mitigated only c. 𧼐k of his contracted ٤m a year salary. Smells fishy to me and I'm sure the club are keen to investigate if there's some additional salary or bonus payable by the Dutch FA after the end of Koeman's mitigation period.

The odds of Koeman being sacked seemed pretty remote to borderline unthinkable heading into the season (depending on your point of view)... and even if he was, you'd assume his next job would pay a lot more than the apparent peanuts he's getting from Holland (whether they realized they could deliberately give him a lowball deal because Everton would be footing the bill is the real question, and the point of contention, I'd assume).

If it goes wrong, where does it go from here...?

Also fairly sure that clubs have to pay the remainder of a player's contract if they're sold unless they put in a transfer request.

And all the while the players, coaches, management and board, to say the least, Mr Moshiri, are laughing all the way to the bank regardless of performance or result.

When are you, Mr Moshiri, going to do something to recognise and repair this fiasco?

It's a long way from the two weeks a year redundancy provided we have been employed for two years that most of us probably have gone through at some time. Gizz a job, lah, I cud do dat.

Have to say I had more faith in the pathetic Kenwright than this duffer!"

Seeing as it was Kenwright whose decision to extend Martinez's contract cost the club £10m, that is a very odd statement to make.

What's more, Kenwright's decision cost the club, not him personally as he never funded the club himself. Moshiri's decision on Koeman cost himself – as he has been making up shortfalls in Everton's finances (to the tune of a £150m).

I don't see why this is a story. Both managers were under contract and entitled to their compensation. The club fired both at the right time and had to pay a price to get rid.

Could Everton have negotiated a better severance structure? Maybe, but as these contracts are drawn up at the time the manager is hired, not when he is sacked, the whip hand is with the manager.

The more questionable aspect is the size of the salary Everton pay their managers. I do not understand why Martinez, Koeman and Allardyce were made amongst the highest paid managers. It might be because Kenwright set the bar by rewarding Moyes with a fat wage which made him amongst the highest paid in the Premier League. Everyone who followed has demanded the same.

Did I read somewhere that Pochettino is paid less than Allardyce?

"Where is my striker and left back I said I needed all summer? I wasn't in charge of transfers."

"Ohhhh... good point. Okay, how about 10% less if you go now?

"Okay!"

In my job, I was coldly indifferent, an arrogant aloof elitist who would stride purposely with a serious expression creating the impression of a serious intellectual man with a master plan of pure genius. As such, I would insist those beneath me (basically everybody) sit elsewhere to eat so as not to offend my senses and disturb my golden thought processes.

When my projects failed miserably, I blamed the substandard materials I was somehow expected to fashion, the producers, the environment and hinted at board level incompetence. I dragged the firm to the very edge of bankruptcy and created panic for all concerned with many sleepless nights: the anxiety and fear grew and choked the heavy air.

All I got was a punch in the throat and threats that if I ever tried to work in the industry again I would be prosecuted, no fucking seven-figure settlement... Doesn't seem fair.

No, not that Koeman is being paid what he is contractually entitled to receive, but why so many on here think getting paid what was legally and freely agreed is so wrong."

Well... at risk of exposing my lack of credentials in the field of ethics, I would venture to say that it's wrong because he's getting paid an absurd amount of cash in return for doing absolutely nothing. A fair contract is supposed to be quid pro quo – In this case, there's a whole lot of quid but no quo.

"Why are you the besht man for the job, Ronald?"

"Becaush I'm cheap. Jusht pay me a 100 Guildersh a week, and Everton will pay me the resht"

"Okay, the jobsh yoursh!"

At this rate, we'll be paying Allardyce a huge sum weekly too as the difference between his contract, and shelf stacking at Aldi. Under strict surveillance, of course.

If you are Man Utd, perhaps you can insist on performance related clauses, but at Everton we will just be grateful to land the likes of Fonseca.
The cesspool of the Premier League is awash with "easy" money gleaned from TV revenue. All the clubs in the lower half of the Premier League, the Championship and Europe know that English clubs are cash cows in the parlour.

We have seen what the desperation of possible relegation looks like, in our latest managerial incumbent. Ditto the over-generous severance pay outs to the last two. Again, desperation.

History will surely repeat itself in the summer.

The main point here is that Holland are clearly paying him less because they know we'll make up the shortfall. Half a mill a year? Absolute joke. What would he be on if he wasn't getting wedge from us, two million? So the Dutch FA are stiffing us to the tune of over a million a year. Disgraceful.

Guy's a disgrace. What other area of work would you continue getting paid for messing up and get two wages at the same time? Wouldn't happen in my profession!

And now we might have to pay off that idiot, Allardyce!

The more we learn about the Moshiri Mob, the more it's clear that football-wise they are about as bright as Lerner and Short. And look what happened to their teams after they threw money at players and managers galore!

While Koeman is due compensation from his sacking, the Dutch have purposely paid him way below the going rate of a supposed top international team. If his salary is no way near his predecessor and also comparable to other international managers, then I think we might have a case.

It would have been interesting if he got another Premier League job as surely that would have been a conflict of interest if we were still paying him while playing against him.

Why for instance would Usmanov's USM pay ٣m a year to sponsor a training ground which is out of the way and very rarely in the news? Everything at Finch Farm belongs to the Council (or rather the people of Liverpool). The only sensible answer is that it was a way of getting cash into the Club. The suspicion must be that even this relatively small amount must have been needed, unless several years sponsorship were paid in advance.

ps: This is all conjecture of course.

Heitinga disappointed, Van der Meyde got high and crashed his Ferrari into a stripper, Drenthe did his best impression of Van der Meyde. Koeman was the worst manager in the history of the club and then shafted us on his salary.

At the moment the prospect of Klaassen maybe not being complete turd by next season represents our most successful foray into the land of Gullit, Bergkamp, Van der Sar and Cruyff.

They'd probably end their tenure owing Everton their entire salary back.

Nobody really knows how effective some of the fancy foreign names being bandied around would be in the Premier League. Bringing any of them in to manage a squad riddled with instability increases the risk of failure.

Keeping Allardyce past the last game of the season risks alienating a large proportion of the fan-base and, if that proves to be the case, I wouldn't expect to see too many 'house full' signs at Goodison Park next season – a dilemma indeed.

Regarding Lerner and Short, I think they both realised how much they'd have to spend to achieve anything and decided to pull out.

Name me any new-money owners who've got it right first time. That's not an excuse – that's how it's gone elsewhere.

If I was Moshiri, I'd be looking at how Koeman & Walsh spent money and how Allardyce & Walsh have spent money. Something for him to learn there when he recruits the next one.

However as some posters have said it is a complete nonsense that performance criteria are not built into these absurd salaries.

In other industries managers are penalised for failure but in football they are rewarded with a massive payoff and another job in the near future.

Moshiri must have more money than sense... Koeman's managerial record wasn't great to begin with but still he went after him.

Sigh... try the Championship next time, Moshiri, because sometimes less is more!!!

All sense has been removed from how the Club operates and there will clearly be a price to pay.

Moshiri got it wrong with Koeman. I don't think he needed to hire Allardyce, but Moshiri clearly did. I can't see how he was ripped off, by anyone else.

For years we were stagnant, made no attempts to evolve as a club or business. We got comfortable with mediocrity and called it success. I read many lazy arguments that all we needed was money. Now we're actually trying to compete, mistakes are inevitable, like they were at City, Lpool and Spurs. Remember that many on here laughed at those clubs as they bought many underachieving players and turned over managers. They've learnt from their mistakes, we're not laughing anymore. We're playing catch up. But we've got to start getting things right.

That's a cracker.
Even by your usual standard.

"shadowy people" haha

How ironic that could be in our City.

As someone not quite up with the shadowy side of the game, I'm a little bemused, was it a tax dodging scheme by the Ince clan? Do HRMC know?

It is inconceivable that those at the helm of EFC are just as guilty. Will the club please name the culprit or culprits responsible for this latest laughable situation? I believe the fans deserve an explanation and a naming of who is directly responsible. Surely Moshiri has advisors?

What are you talking about? Fine print? Everton wrote the contract, not Koeman. You're asking who is responsible, it's us. The employer drafts the contract, not the employee.

So who chooses the next manager? Any cock-up on that appointment may just forever condemn us to another 20 years or more as also-rans in any rare "good" season for us, as per the Kenwright decades. Mid-table obscurity or far worse are the alternative outcomes. Get it right and we may just threaten the top four places in a few years time, but a huge change is necessary at Finch Farm to achieve that.

So, no pressure, Mr Moshri, but who are you going to trust to make the next manager a person fit for purpose? You are by definition a "Lerner" as an outright owner, I just hope you don't come up "Short", again, for all our sakes!!!

Off the top of my head, Spurs appointed Redknapp, Villas Boas, Sherwood before they settled on Pochettino. Man City have been through Hughes, Mankini, Pellegrino before Guardiola. Liverpool went through Woy and Rogers before Klopp.

They took decisions, made mistakes and have learnt. We're just starting...

My take on it was that Koeman's position became untenable.

I have the feeling that Kenwright's constant interference, bringing Rooney back and not replacing Lukaku, caused Koeman to down tools .

Yes, I agree with that... I wonder if Moyes has still been receiving a salary from Man Utd for the last 4 years?

Koeman ruined this club with his arrogance and stubborn approach. Total waste of space. We would be in even more shit if Ronald had stayed here...

If the Dopey Dutchman had his way, we would now be lumbered with Giroud and the utterly useless Moussa Sissoko to add to Klaassen, Sandro, Keane, Williams, Bolasie and the rest of the crap he squandered our money on.

I tend never to look at things as black-and-white, and the managerial situation at Everton is definitely as grey as it's been in a long time. I was somewhat in favour of Koeman being sacked at the time, but in no way wanted Allardyce but was relieved Kenwright hadn't gotten Moyes back. I also didn't think Unsworth earned the job long term but held no animosity toward him at all either. Six months later, I think Koeman was not the catalyst of the problem at all.

I do agree we may have been in more shit had Koeman stayed, but like I've said in my response with Jay, I don't think he engineered the situation as much as people think.

'If it turns out you're shit and you can't do the job you're being paid ridiculous amounts to do at Everton... no worries, pal, your money'll not go down just because you were incompetent but we'll make sure whatever someone else offers – should you somehow be offered another such role based on this showing! – we'll top it right up to what we should never have paid you in the first place... and, again, you proved you weren't worth even a fraction of!!!

('Meanwhile a proud footballing nation like Holland I'm sure will inexplicably pop out the woodwork to offer you a job... you know, just like Belgium did with our last total failure of a manager – who's now on an even better, more astronomically crazy, wedge than yourself!!!')...

Pretty sure all this just goes to prove that some people, some clubs or businesses, whatever... = Everton... just can't handle suddenly having money, as they, WE, just have to keep throwing it about like that in itself is somehow going to make everything right in our little corner of the world.. Wrong!!!

We are a deeply sleeping giant with suddenly deep pockets, a team and board who think it's a massive 'result' to now be nothing more than also-rans, and a current dream which amounts to nothing more than having a new, bigger, brighter, bedroom, in the not too distant future!!!

At least Big Sam will almost certainly be getting paid for achieving his #1 remit: making sure we don't go down (but, again, this is also, we all know, just confirming us as also-rans!! Nice.) ...after this though, and when he decides he's bored and wants to 'prove himself' again, what other team will we be massively funding the manager of???

Just a thought like .