Allardyce' time could be up at Everton

After seeing what he's done in the Premier League I've come to the conclusion that Silva is average. Two years of trying and failing to get into the top six is what we'll get from him. I'd prefer to take a chance on an unproven Premier League manager like Fonseca or the Wolves manager.

Best news I've heard all day.

I hope this is true. He came in, did what was asked of him by keeping the team in the premier league, but he isn't the man to take the team forward and certainly hasn't endeared himself to the fans with his attitude. So it's time for him to move on after the six months like Moshiri wanted originally.

Rumour that it's all done and dusted. Silva in on 4-year contract. No idea how reliable it is but here's hoping.

Best news all season if this happens! Time to get on the ales.

On a rather large southern comfort and coke when I read this. Might just pour another. 🍹🍹🍹🍹

Dear Sam. Thank You and Goodbye.

Southern comfort and lemonade on ice, until Alargesize has gone, with Walsh and co! Now when he goes, what song would be appropriate, Word up? wave your hands in the air like you don't care! Alright now? Get back, ( to where we once belonged.) maybe.

I am not saying I think we should keep Sam but I do feel sorry for him. You don't hire Fred the painter to re-do the Sistine Chapel then complain he is not Michelangelo. I think he was genuinely chuffed to get the job and has done the best he can.

The vitriol has been OTT. Everyone got upset When Barton called Unsy fat but it is a daily taunt directed at Sam. He was the wrong choice but the nastiness has been too much.

Great news on Allardyce if true. Slightly nervous on Silva if honest, but would be more than willing to get behind him if he's next in line. One thing we need is a united front after the season from hell is over.

There was a bit more detail online (Echo I think) which mentioned the forthcoming meeting with Moshiri and certainly points towards Allardyce being let go.

There were quotes from Allardyce himself that would support the theory, not so much by what he said but more by what he didn't, or couldn't, say.

Looks like the protest and all the emails may be about to pay off.

Just received this note on Twitter

"Heard Allardyce is going, £4.9 million pay off. Silva to come in, plus Brands. Big changes behind scenes too."

Better get down to the shops tomorrow if Christmas really is that close.

Might treat myself to a bottle of Southern Comfort and a bag of ice, no lemonade or coke for me too nice to spoil the taste.

Bob 11

Well there it is. The cast-iron confirmation we've all been waiting for.

If it's on Twatter it must be true woohoo!

Of course. Everything on twitter is, er well, fact??

And this was direct from a mate of a politician... so, er, it must be true!!????????

I hope so, Bob. If he's still in charge come Tuesday, I'm panicking.

If he does leave, I think we should be appreciative of what he's done. We were absolutely shite when he came in, probably the worst performing team in the league with little upside. Asking for attractive football after the predicament we were in after a few months was a stretch. I actually think he'd get better results than whoever we appoint in the near-term. I don't think a new manager will change much unless a more fundamental change happens throughout the whole club. Unproven foreign manager could be the next Wenger, Mourinho or Klopp or the merry-go-round shite.

To cut a long story short, it's going to be a long time before I dare to hope again after the abject disaster of last summers transfers.

I have been predicting here for months that Monday morning May 14 would the glorious hour of Sam's departure.

Now I've got Twitter and the Mirror behind me. Woo-hoo.

I don't even drink but I'll have one the moment that news bulletin crosses.

If Sam is shown the door, I just might join the Southern Comfort party. I think I'll have something I haven't had for years. Back a lot of years, me and my buds used to driink Southern n' Seven (7up).

I will celebrate with a wee dram of Aberlour 18.

Moshiri was prepared to pay 㾹 mil to Watford to get Silva and now he gets him for free so Sam's payout is a money saver. We can now buy 25% of good left back or centre-half.

If the gossip is true and it does seem to be rife then Allardyce is gone.

However despite Steve Ferns protestations I am not convinced by Silva.

Why don't we ever go the extra yard and get Emery, Ancelotti, Conti, Simeone instead of Moyes, Martinez, Koeman etc and then ask why we don't achieve things.

Big Sam leaving!? Great news. Silva coming in!?...sigh.

Not hopeful folks, didn't a piss-poor Blues team beat Watford with Silva in charge at home?

As for celebrating, I'll wait for our trophy drought to end first and foremost if yer don't mind.

Jay, for the same reason we're not going to get Messi, Neymar or Cristiano to come and play for us.

There is nothing about a mid-table -- and particularly uninspiring -- EPL club to interest them.

Managers like Ancelotti and Simeone don't do reclamation projects, which is what we are at the moment.

Nothing wrong with dreaming, of course, but it ain't gonna happen.

Great news if true. I have always had a respect for Moshiri in his dealings thus far regarding Everton. He came in, obviously wanting to build a footballing entity for heritage and mid- / long-term profit. He is a businessman after all said and done. He came in and quietly fulfilled all the (possible) Kenwright taking-over compensation contract stuff that we know little about and may never do.

The whole management structure with its complex, interpersonal relations must have been confusing to all. The swift sharp import of Koeman and Walsh could on paper and in theory have been a masterstroke. Most, including me, were looking forward with anticipation of great things.

The seriousness of our position before and after Koeman left was very precarious. I was, like many, genuinely concerned about relegation. It is easy to be blase after the event but at the time the nervousness was very, very real. Relegation, IF it happened, would have killed us. No coming back from that. Unsy did well but, in revealing how Boys Pen Bill was his daily confidant, he shut himself out of contention after that. Sam Allardyce was an insurance backstop and not the first choice. There was no-one else willing. He took advantage and did his 'job' – no matter how unsavoury his style – and we are safe.

Therefore, I trust Mr Moshiri has his plan and will roll it forward, and we will see a massive change but probably less player focused than the last close season. I sense it is starting to happen, and it will take time. I am not referring to the longer-term projections, but the imminent stuff. It is completely unrealistic to expect senior staff to be dislodged and replaced at the snap of a finger, there is too much stuff behind the scenes to be dealt with for that to happen. Swift action happens when the decisive managerial team is in place. Everton don't have that yet but we should see it coming soon.

Against this lack of managerial structure, just consider the activities during the last 2 years that Mr Moshiri has had to deal with: Initial buy-in, debt relief, Bramley-Moore Dock, changing the mindset (we are not a museum), taking on the managerial changes from the top down (Kenwright, Elstone, Martinez and crew, Koeman and crew), each change with its own contractual and commercial challenges and obligations to be met, turn-over of players, Boys Pen Bill's tinkering, the Liver Building, miscellaneous refurbishments of Goodison Park, Finch Farm re-branding and expansion, massive let downs by Koeman and Walsh — all done under the massive spotlight of the disgruntled (and rightly so) supporters whose opinions I believe he values — and still moving forward. This time, with experience, he will bring in expensive highly qualified staff who will be tasked to change the mindset of the Club. Bloody hell, What more could we expect from him!!!? No wonder his first order of business is a Director of Football!!!

I believe we are in good, safe hands. Major and minor setbacks aside, I suspect he is doing an incredible job, and I thank him for that. COYB

Well put, William (#25).

Daryl, Mike, Len, Paul and Rob. I might just raid the "spare change jar" and go buy a bottle of Caol Ila. It's a bit pricey here in Australia but what the heck. A celebration is... worth it!

Tomorrow nights, let's see, what happens and the course of next week.
This is Everton, enough said.

I have no doubt Allardyce will be replaced by Marco Silva this summer, which I'd be very happy about. There's no way Brands would come here to work with Allardyce and it's no coincidence Silva hasn't taken up a new position, he's already been given the nod by Mosh I expect.

I expect we will have a very similar summer to last year, loads of understandable optimism following the appointment of a new manager and a new DoF, plus new signings. Let's hope it's not misplaced this time.

Matthew 23, let's not forget that we were incredibly lucky to beat Watford, it was a thoroughly underserved win for us. They played us off the park for most of the game.

Allardyce came in to do a job he was asked, although whether we were really in the mess we were in is always going to be open to conjecture.

But his phrase "I've done all I can do. That's what I'll say to him. I can't do any more than that." is what condemns him. Out of his own mouth, the words which say I need to be released.

The complaint as fans is that "Mr Allardyce, is that all you can do? You can't do any more than what we have seen in the last 23 games?" We do not enjoy the football you want the players to play. We do not enjoy the style. We do not enjoy the grind, we have enough of that in our daily lives. So if that is all you can do then it is not good enough for us now the crisis is over. Thank you for your honesty in acknowledging your limitations. We needed a firefighter and you have put out the fire, now we need an architect and an interior designer to make the building beautiful again.

Not Sure Silva is the answer

Great comments Phil #30. The last sentence sums the situation up completely.

Howe please, I have a good feeling about him. Would love to see him given a chance with a bit of cash to support him.

Moshiri is being decisive. He is sacking Sam Allardyce and hiring Marco Silva and bringing Brands in As D.O.F.

Decisions had to be made. Managers such as Simeone, Sarri, Jardim, Emery and Fonseca just won't come to us.

They would string us along all summer to improve their contracts with their current club or elsewhere.

With Silva we can start planning for next season on Monday. He can hit the ground running, sign a couple of quality players and start the new season afresh with a solid preseason behind him.

This has got to be better than fannying around all summer waiting for the superstar manager that may never happen.

Silva wants to join EFC, he wanted to in October as well. He wanted the challenge and feels he can achieve something with us. Far better this than having a mercenary manager here who has only come for the money. Like Koeman was.

He may not be the stellar name a lot crave but he has the potential to put new life back into the club . If we can have some unity there will be progress.

Whatever the outcome, I now have some hope and optimism for the future. I am excited that the new season has possibilities and potential.

I am going to enjoy that feeling while it lasts.

Hi ho - does the future have a Silva lining? (I'll get my coat)

As I understand it Allardyce was originally asked to take the job till the end of the season, but was unwilling to take such a short contract. When other ‘sexier' candidates were either unable or unwilling to take the job we returned to him with an improved offer and I expect that that was his price for taking the job.
With hindsight, I starting to think that was not a bad idea. I don't think many would argue that we were not in free fall after Koeman was sacked. Unsay tried hard but couldn't turn it around and probably getting someone in to play us out of the problem could have gone either way, but given the confidence of the players at the time could easily have ended in disaster.
At least Sam has studied things a bit, but I don't think anyone believe he can turn it round and make us more successful.
Now is the time to start the upward climb by saying goodbye to Sam and pay his price, then getting a new team in place off th field, then appointing a coach who can sort out the problems on the field.

Great analysis from William (25).If there Is a criticism for Mr Moshri it is that he has been too loyal to the old guard.You can see the hand of Kenwright,Walsh and Koeman in last summer's transfer chaos with no one being overall responsible.He now needs to take full responsibility for appointing a Director of Football accountable to himself who in turn need to take responsibility for recruitment of players and coach.
As for Sam.Thanks for what you have done and goodbye.

William #25 - excellent post

And I read a report this morning that Mr Moshiri is going to buy Jon Woods' 8.9% soon.
Then he will have more control over how his money is spent.

Fingers crossed we get it right. Silva is a step up from Allardyce. Who knows? Maybe he'll shine at Everton. Fingers crossed again.

Kieran at #9
You feel sorry for Allardyce ?
He is not far short of a con-man the way he nailed us to the wall for an 18 month contract. It was all about the money. But add into that, his comments about how he wanted the opportunity to work with a big club to really show what he could do, and that he was not just about avoiding relegation. He said that he could really show what he was capable of. So, in his words, he was not just about avoiding relegation. While he has kept us out of the relegation zone, ( though let's not forget, Unsy had already moved us up to 13th before he handed over the team), he has done nothing more. We have been witness to 'what he can do' and frankly it's just not good enough. In addition, his arrogance, willingness to blame everyone else for poor performance and willingness to blow his own trumpet at every opportunity, and dismissive attitude to the Everton Faithful, all add up to a very very unacceptable package. So, sorry Kieran, I have no understanding of why you would feel sorry for this man, as his pockets bulge with money as he walks away.

William at 25 and Phil at 30 - great posts. Many words of wisdom in both of them. I hope that Moshiri is even half as wise and perceptive :-)

Who knows? Maybe he'll shine at Everton.

Well you CAN polish "Silva" Eugene, but you can't polish a.........................

“I've done all I can do. That's what I'll say to him. I can't do any more than that."

Sums you up Lord Allardyce, done all you can and can't do any more yes, you can save a relegation haunted side but move them up and onwards is beyond you ken.

You are good at what you do but sadly that is the limit of your skills.

I am sure that your immoral earnings can pay for your own taxi!!!!

Yes Silva is crap because we beat his Watford team. Let's not go for Guardiola either because Koeman beat him 4-0.

Great posts from William(25) and Phil (30), I hope the news is good next week, until then I'll be staying on pints of bitter.

Silva is hardly inspiring but available & cheap. Relegated with Hull & Spanish archered from the Hornets .but he might be brilliant for us.

Another Martinez inbound.

Andy #28 Everton may well have a summer like last season if Silva comes in but as long as the players selected look keen to play, fit and enthusiastic then already things will have improved. Oh and the ability to pass to each other 5 yards apart will be a great step forward for Evertonkind.

Assuming Brands is in, could be we get something out of Klaassen.

Looks like it's inevitable he's going. Sod the Southern Comfort stuff - where's that ********** gin!

Now if it's Silva, I am depending on you Mr Steve Ferns to get this one right because I remain unsure.

Having said that, I wouldn't know who to vote for!

Tony #34 let's not forget Silva sort of optimised the mercenary, money grabbing manager you are hoping we avoid back in October when after a few months in a new job he wanted to jump ship. I'm happy to back him, but he's no different than the rest in that respect. In fact, the way he downed tools to get his move to Everton should be a concern surely.

Kieran @ 9 - you're not a lone voice in the wilderness.

I, too, feel sorry for him although I wouldn't have chosen him.

Most of the abusive personal stuff thrown at him daily on here & in the bigoted Echo reflects badly on our fan base and club.

I'm not even convinced it'll be good to sack him now - he could well be ideal to further overhaul the playing squad in what a feel will be a transitional season whoever the manager is. I don't understand the clamour for Marco Silva - where's the evidence to support the case for him being a success in the EPL, particularly taking on such a big job as needs doing here?

William's post @ 25 is excellent - IMO, Moshiri's biggest mistake was allowing BPB too much influence and emotional indulgence of Rooney and ex-Everton players (Ferguson, Jeffers, Unsworth etc) in the backroom staff who appear to have contributed little for much reward - what the hell was Baxter given a contract for? Why so much drivel about Gascoigne on the club WEB-site earlier this year - what good did he ever do for EFC? Another stupid acquisition for club by BPB, just like wasting loads of dosh allowing MU to dump Rooney on us.

I hope Moshiri gets tough rapidly and dumps the hangers, starting with Bill K - then we can begin to move forward instead of constantly looking backwards and living in the past.

If Silva is coming, presumably he has known for a long time that it was on the cards and he has spent the time gainfully working out how to turn us into world-beaters.

It does seem increasingly likely Allardyce will leave, and as I said on another post, aside from not being a fan of him or his teams, he has done a good job of getting us from shit-street to an 8th placed finish.

No mean feat given how awful we were (and still are to watch).

It also seems there's more & more legs in the Silva deal, which I'm sceptical of. I don't rate him, and he's another manager that's been relegated. Someone on another thread posted some stats about him, and made a good case based on mitigating circumstances for Silva when he was with Hull & Watford, but I still can't get my head around employing yet another manager that's taken a team down, and then been fired by a mid table side.

Before we go for someone like Silva, did anyone see the Spurs manager's press conference?

Reading between the lines, I think he could be available,

Well worth a shot...

Dont think we need to wait until Monday 14th in the morning to sack him. Send fans into the working week with a spring in their step by ordering the taxi for 6pm on Saturday.

Fonseca, Silva? Not good enough and wont take us further. Emery for me, he is available and he won't get one of the top jobs after PSG.

James @51, not a fan of his? You've done nothing but back him all season. We are going to a lot of gears shifting hurriedly into reverse in the next few weeks.

I can't help feeling that a major reason for us finishing 8th is that this is the worst season of top flight football in living memory as much as the influence of Allardyce

Interesting.

https://footballeconomyv2.blogspot.co.uk/2018/05/moshiri-increases-grip-on-everton.html

I think the Silva and Brands deals are very close, Silva plays the game the right way and very much a hands on coach. Similar Philosophy to Guardiola and Klopp, and anybody who can make Tom Cleverly look like a decent player is OK by me. Some have said he took Hull down, I think they were practically down before he got there. What he did do was change the complete playing style to one based on attacking football rather than Mike Phelans defensive game plan, and although he didnt keep them up the Hull fans were disappointed he left. At Watford he made them a more attacking side and prior to our offer they were in the top 6, and I tend to agree that our bid destabilized Watford. Obviously Silva wanted to come, as he knew that Moshiri would supply him with the financial clout for him to showcase his talent.

Nothing is ever guaranteed in football, as I have said before Simeone would be my stand out choice, but top coaches don't take over sides like Everton who don't compete for Champions league places. So Silva would be a big positive, he knows and understands the Premier league, which is a big plus as even Guardiola found his first season was a learning curve in the Premiership. Silva likes to play an attacking brand of football and has a track record of winning things as a coach. I really hope the rumours are right on this and Brands.

Fair point, Michael, but his last two clubs sacked him and he never stays too long at any club he's been at.

Not many clubs in for his services too, the clues are there, folks, and I do hope he can turn us round although it seems 99.9% of all Blues want to follow Moshiri down the wrong road.

We shall see...

Steve@55

I've backed him based on us getting up the table and not being relegated - I've never backed his mentality, the things he says or the way his team plays.

There's a big difference.

More like stand by for Wenger, maybe?

I feel sorry for Sam in the same way I feel for us fans.
Why did the board let it drag on till the last game when they could have put Sam and us out of our misery months ago ??

James @ 57, that nuance has been missing from your posts.

Keep changing the Everton manager does not make the players any better whoever the new manager is for next season. The players were not better under Koeman, Unsworth or Allardyce. There has to be a clear out of most of the squad, but will be difficult to envisage if there is a new manager. He takes time to improve the squad and move players out of the squad. The likes of Kevin Mirallas have no desire to move on with contract he is on. Chaos I suspect awaits another season.

It's probably down to contracts Pete, but even though it's been horrible, soul destroying actually, I'm just glad that Evertonians, have stuck to there guns, and shown the football world, and all those sycophant mercenaries, who come across as knowledgeable pundits, that style should always be important to a proper football club.

I was fuming with Carragher, when he wrote about Allardyce, after he had just joined Everton. He actually gave the man some fantastic advice,(in hindsight) but the man wasn't prepared to listen, and this is one of the main reasons that things have become so bad in the end?

Hmmmm I believe the Dof/Manager alliance may be a Dutch/French one rather than a Dutch/Portuguese one. ;-)

I don't get the fuss for Silva other than he is Portuguese.
His major success is with his first club as manager Estoril where he got them promoted and won a cup with Sporting. He won the league with Olympiacos but it was their 43rd title.

He has a different philosophy to Pep and Klopp in that his first thought is to keep a clean sheet and to play on the counter attack. He favours a 4-2-3-1 formation with 2 defensive midfielders, so maybe not quite the offensive football some are expecting.
At Olympiacos the fans joked that the team would give the ball to the opposition so they could win it back to break on the counter, so expect lots of 10 men behind the ball with Gueye and Schneiderlin as permanent fixtures even at home.

We all know he was relegated with Hull and his win ratio was 36% and 31% with Watford.
After Estoril his following 4 jobs have beeen for a duration of 12 months or less so he appears to like jumping ship.

With our current squad I do not believe that Silva would get us any higher than 7th which has been achieved by recent managers.

It all depends on the ambition of Everton FC and Silva would signal to me that the clubs ambitions are to remain 7thish with a distant hope of getting 6th if one of the top 6 has a bad year.

Maybe that's the reality for us but I expect Everton to have higher ambitions.

Out of those two, it has to be Fonseca. The question is will he come? After twenty years of decline are we able to attract a top manager or even a young manager on the way up, which is what Fonseca is? We can't attract top players any longer without CL football and my feeling is that it will take a new stadium and ten years to become a force again. We are light years behind the top four.

Ian @64

I agree - some on here seem to think they're getting some kind of flair manager with Silva, but he's like Jose (or Allardyce if you like), defence first, organisation the key. His win ratio in the PL so far is dire - and in his defence the same familiar people on here quote the shit sides he's managed but conveniently forget that Allardyce managed Bolton, Blackburn, Sunderland etc to get his equally shite win ratio (though much better than Silva's, especially since he came to Goodison).

FFS, let's dump dull Sam, but let's not dump him for equally dull Silva. It seems everyone on here agrees that finishing 7th is within the capability of any manager we get, so let's get someone who can entertain us on the way to finishing 7th. Surely we deserve that?

Brian@63 Something you want to share with us all? Can't see Puel and Overmarrs working somehow!!

Im no fan of Sam Allardyce, but he has done the job. Lets not forget that the team were in place before he got here, so he cant be blamed for everything.

I have a strong feeling that we may be calling for Silva's head at some time next year. I hope not, but this is a fickle sport. He is a very inexperienced manager, with a pretty shit track record.

I hope Mr Moshiri has learnt from this clusterfuck, he is obviously a very clever and astute man, most people in the billionaire category are. If he gets the right people in to run the club properly, it could be happy days. Having said that, this is Everton . .

Karen Mason #39,

"a con man who nailed us to a wall with 18 month contract"?

It is called negotiating. 18 months is hardly a lifetime. If you want to talk about "nailing us to a wall," how about Ross getting Mosh to sell Stones, hire Koeman, then running down the clock so we lose 㿀 million in transfer money.

As far as "doing more than avoiding relegation." Well, he has been here six months. Avoiding relegation meant being like Huddersfield and squeaking by. We are 8th. So he did more. But beyond that, did you expect him to win the league in six months?

As I said, I think he was a poor choice but the kind of ridiculous attacks on him are out of line. You can't seriously call anyone else a "con man" when Kenwright is still at the club.

And as for "pockets bulging with money," How about true blue Rooney? Once a blue always a blue, unless you're 18 and have waited long enough to win trophies, or you're 32 and want a guaranteed spot in the team.

Fact is, Sam isn't the villain you paint him to be. He is just a bloke doing his best, he is ill equipped for what we want and need but that's it.

While I agree that Silva would be an upgrade on Allardyce, I am still not convinced he is the right man for the job.

I would prefer Eddie Howe, purely because of his experience of the Trials and tribulations of the Prem, he has endured with being able to survive on a small budget, and has even managed to beat some of the big teams.

However should it be Silva, I will support him, but I just hope the Board have done their homework, before the next appointment is confirmed.

Oh please don't go. Fml

I can't see why Fonseca wouldn't come to us! Also I would take a look at Marcelino at Valencia. His teams tend to play great entertaining football and defensively sound. He was at Villarreal 2 years ago.

No Silva no Fonseca no gambling on a manager. A sure fire manager or pick an Everton fan out in a special draw on Monday. They won't do any worse.

We have not lost to a Moyes team so far so it will happen under Sam. Which will be his last game for us

It's over til the fat scam's gone.

I just hope it ends in a Silva lining. In all seriousness, I'm not sure this guy is any better than Roberto.

If Sam is gone then thanks and enjoy the ٧ million.

Eddie Howe would be better than Silva and Fonseca.

Get it sorted, Moshiri.

#79 David
Agreed

Steve - possibly but I don't feel I've ever backed Allardyce. I've been referring to him as Lardiola all season for a start, and if that isn't mocking enough I'm not sure what is!

I'm not entirely sure why I'm defending myself here, but I am anyway :)

My view has always been that Allardyce has done what was asked of him, and I do now feel supporters are laying into him for something that he's never claimed to be, and never will be. This probably comes across again as me backing him, but it isn't. Its merely that he HAS completed the task he was brought in to do, which was to get us moving up the table and stop the shit-show.

We're 8th, likely to finish 8th and 6th under him when you look at the form and points gained - none of this is backing him, merely backing up what he was brought in to to do - that's the difference. I want him to leave as much as the full-blown haters, I just don't vocalise hatred for him since he's achieved the goal set out.

Yeah he blagged an extra year/loads of cash in his contract but who can blame him? We were desperate and he knew it - I would have done the same in his position and so would everyone else. It's a business arrangement at the end of the day, he isn't an Evertonian, he's a cut-throat.

It was our fault, not his.

Anyway, just to be clear, I hope he's out the door in the next few days and we can all move on to bigger and better things.

Since someone coined the phrase "far flung blue" I have tried to stay out of the managerial debate. I understand the logic that says the voices of the match going fans are those that should carry the most weight on TW and with the club.

Having said that, I think it is only fair and reasonable to say that Sam Allardyce has indeed done the job he was hired and paid for i.e steer us clear of the relegation zone. In addition, to suggest that he has fleeced the club of a load of cash doesn't stack up with me.

Moshiri had budgeted for a managerial salary of £6m for this season. Sam Allardyce has earned his salary for this season.

On top of that if you look at the difference in premier league prize money between 13th (as opposed to 17th) and 9th place it is about £8m. If Moshiri sacks him after the West Ham game and has to pay him the balance of his contract, my view is Sam Allardyce owes EFC nothing.

Just saying.

James Marshall, 81* I couldn't agree more, I don't like the man, abhor his football and ethics, but, BUT, he was brought in by Moshiri to safeguard his investment and keep Everton in the Premier league because Moshiri and many of us saw a real possibility of being relegated. We can chew the cud over what would have, could have or should have happened BUT we are 8th and that job is done, now for Gods sake get rid.
I hope its Wenger but I doubt it, I hope that Moshiri finally stamps HIS name on the club rather than the tenuous relationship with Kenwright. I hope there is a clear out of management and hangers on at the club, I hope that someone wipes the slate clean and looks at every player on the books and tells them to give it their best shot and step up or ship out.

I hope for a lot but this post may just be a flickering ember if, come Monday morning Allardyce is still sitting in the chair.

Long ago, in times of Kirkby, I railed against Kenwright, Green, et al, for the damage they had caused the club and for the long term issues they would leave behind in the pursuit of personal gain. Someone would have to clear up the mess.. thats were we are now, and as much as we dislike Sam Allardyce, staying in the premiership was our only hope of resurrecting the fortunes of our club.
Risk is a personal thing, people view it differently depending on their evaluations. At the end of the day the person with the most to lose financially was Moshiri and thats why Allardyce was appointed. The risk has gone and so it makes sense that Allardyce should as well.

We have had some bad seasons in the past but for me, last season was the worst I can remember, and I have seen a few, from the very start Koeman had lost it, worse than that, he didn't care, transfers and team structure were so bad it was unbelievable, Walsh? Architect of what exactly?

Wenger or Benitez for me would mark our intention to step up our game, but who ever it is, I just hope there is someone coming in..

Our silver lining is that this coming season could see all of us united once more in supporting the vision of Everton FC.

Is his time up? He's on Jim White's show tomorrow night. We all know the White/Moshiri relationship is close so, who is behind all this? Is this a calculated move by Moshiri and Sam to bypass Kenwright? The plot thickens.

The voice of reason James #81 - echoes my sentiments exactly.

Not sure that Silva is the answer to our problems though.

You cant seriously call anyone else a "con man" when Kenwright is still at the club"

Well yes you can Kieran. Kenwright does not have sole rights to taking the piss.

However ! you cant really complain about other peoples "ridiculous attacks" when you nail Ross Barkley for being responsible for the sale of John Stones and the appointment of Ronald Koeman,"You cant seriously call anyone else a "con man" when Kenwright is still at the club"

Well yes you can Kieran. Kenwright does not have sole rights to taking the piss.

However ! you cant really complain about other peoples "ridiculous attacks" when you nail Ross Barkley for being responsible for the sale of John Stones and the appointment of Ronald Koeman,,,1,12:53:21,,90.204.77.242,ok,13643,05/13/2018 12:53:21,dashin@cheerful.com,reader,, 917450,36639,toffeeweb,13/05/2018,Jon Withey,jonwit@hotmail.com,We aren't likely to get a champions league winning coach unless they are well past their best. Unless that 'ambition' is matched by silly cash which isn't going to be spent at Everton.

Find the best up and coming coach and back him with the best up and coming players and a spine of proven quality.,We aren't likely to get a champions league winning coach unless they are well past their best. Unless that 'ambition' is matched by silly cash which isn't going to be spent at Everton.

Find the best up and coming coach and back him with the best up and coming players and a spine of proven quality.,,,1,13:00:18,,2.98.4.49,ok,12707,05/13/2018 13:00:18,jonwit@hotmail.com,reader,, 917451,36639,toffeeweb,13/05/2018,Ajay Gopal,ajaygopalswamy@gmail.com,"There are no managerial appointments that are guaranteed to result in success. Everton needs a period of rebuilding, patience by the fans and support from Moshiri. With Arsenal and Chelsea facing a period of uncertainty themselves, there is an opportunity for clubs like Everton to make a bid for the Top 6, but the difference in resources between these clubs and Everton is huge. The right manager can make a huge difference - like Pochettino has done at Spurs. Silva may very well be a fine manager, but Everton should be ambitious and consider all options. If as rumoured Marcel Brands is coming in as DoF, then surely he must have a say in the next managerial appointment. My personal preference is Eddie Howe for what he has achieved at tiny Bournemouth - he has overachieved in every season with one of the lowest spending in the PL. Our candidate list should consist of the following realistic targets:

Silva
Fonseca
Howe
Nagelsmann
Brendan Rodgers
Mikel Arteta

And let Brands make the decision, not Moshiri.

It's starting already! Let the next manager get to the training ground before judgements are made. If it is marco silva whom I want and wanted when koeman was in charge he must be given time. As much as allardyce is loathed by certain fans our squad is mid table. Our record against top four sides has been poor for many years. This must change.

The style of football may change which is to most liking but when you watch the runners up in the league. There style of football is watchable at best. Success comes in different styles. Let's face the fact that choosing a manager is a gamble. Throw the dice or twist. The football god's must be kind to us one day.

There's little point in turning on fellow fans and supporters folks. Allardyce, like Koeman, had his legs chopped from beneath him by the horrendously unbalanced squad constructed by others above them, and I do get that the pair of them will have some say in some of the signings but to knowingly go into the season so bereft at left back, right back and up front was criminal.

Neither Koeman nor Allardyce will ever win a personality of the year award but with the limitations of the players available to them we got 8th place. Tells you all you need to know about the pantomime the Premier League goes on becoming as the rich get ever richer.

To me it seems obvious that lots of bog standard managers and players can cruise to millions per year in income by playing "monotony squared" football without ever giving the likes of us a cursory glance.

I am far from a SA fan but watching the game today I cannot believe we finished as high as 8th in the league. In this respect I believe he did as well as could be expected. The current team is made up of has beens, potential young talent and is pretty much devoid of any real quality bar Pickford, Coleman, Davies, Rooney and Walcot. As a result, I am not sure anybody could have done any better in terms of getting the best out of a mediocre bunch of players. I do not believe SA can take us to the next level but for this to happen Moshiri needs to spend a bucket load of money in the close season because I do not think Guardiola would do any better with the squad we currently have. For me the next coach would have to be Wenger but I know I am a dreamer! If we do not aim high then mediocrity will prevail.

It's Monday afternoon. Ain't he been sacked already?