Everton Ladies launch away kit

https://www.footyheadlines.com/2018/07/outstanding-everton-18-19-away-third-kits.html

I hope the white one is true, looks great in my opinion!

I like the white kit but who could we wear it against?
Surely it's doesn't make sense to have that much blue in a change strip.

I might be wrong but I don't think we could wear it against Chelsea, Huddersfield etc because of the blue?

Unfortunately now though it seems every away match teams wear an away kit, so we may even wear it at Burnley, West Ham, or Wolves even though there isn't a clash with the Home kit.

https://twitter.com/Everton/status/1019499514812493824

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Shafted by Umbro one last time, methinks.

Unsure about the white one. Might look better when you see it worn.

Love the white kit though.

A nod to our past, Mark. In our formative years, we played in a black kit (original white shirts were dyed black to save on expense – I jest not!) and also featured salmon pink kit.

See this link for all our shirt 'makeovers'.

Everton Historical Kits

Away kit: Amber, Royal Blue, Amber.

Science!

Huddersfield and Brighton blue or white will clash, at Chelsea and City just wear the black one. Same at Burnley and West Ham. 2 kits are enough, stop fleecing your loyal supporters, who have had to put up with shite football for the past couple of years. Start thinking about the costs for the fans.

A good shout by Andy Kay, clubs should stop fleecing the fans with third kits that are not needed.

Now lets get Everton and Everton Women playing like Barcelona on the pitch!

For me the worst colour combo was the white chang,, with the green icons, would have looked decent, had they done the lettering in Blue, instead of green.

Give it a month or so and a few doubters will take to this away shirt.

Have to say I like it.

I think it'll be too controversial, so how about a white, yellow or even pink sash?

On to Everton Ladies, it's commendable that the club are trying to get behind the Ladies team in terms of PR, but why don't they back them more financially? A few years ago, Everton were very competitive and winning stuff. Then teams started becoming more professional and we dropped right off. We even then dropped a division, before scrapping our way back last season. Is it not in our interests for the men's team to "prop up" and "support" the females team by investing in them and getting them to be more competitive and stop our players crossing Stanley Park and heading down the East Lancs.

Surely, if Everton Ladies are launching the kit, then this can be more than a mere PR stunt and we can give them a real push. How about having a "free game" at Goodison were we charge nominal fees to cover costs, and try to boost the fan base. Surely, this would be real innovation for the Ladies side, rather than just using them as models.

You make a really good point about the downside to simply using the women's team as models and the need for the club to give more substantial support to the women's team. The club should change ‘Ladies', which puts women in their place, to 'Women', which is all about sisters doing it for themselves, standin' on their own two feet, ringin' on their own bells.

The two teams will never play in a league against each other, so why the need for women or ladies after Everton. Or should we just refer to the blokes as Everton Lads?

I just don't see the point in it to be fair.

Straight out of the parent club's playbook, around the advent of the Premier League.

Mike Bates, have the Lunatic Leninist Award for being the worst of the lot with your deranged post. I look forward to laughing at your future demand for players from the "wimmin's" team being paid the same wages as the men and then starting to play in the men's team because, according to you, everyone is "equal".

Then we can start signing blind and otherwise disabled people - of both (or is it "all"?) genders - and awarding them £100K a week salaries because, you know, everyone is "equal".

Pay won't be equal because the demand for sponsorship and attendances aren't equal. So you'll be looking forward for ages for me to demand that.

However, they are equal in that they are both our first teams. They are role models. They represent the best players at our club. One is male and one is female. But both play for Everton FC. So I only ask why make the distinction in the team name? The distinction is made in the leagues they play in. One in the Premier League and the other in Women's Super League. The distinction has already been made so why is there a need in them being called Everton Ladies. We know they're ladies coz they're ladies, and they play in the branded Women's Super League just call them Everton coz that's who they play for. Us.

You've been totally mute in recent months after your contribution on religion on a memorable thread.

You're certainly back with a bang with this latest contribution.

I gave what I believe to be a perfectly reasonable and logical answer at post 33.

Jay saw fit to reply in a more "robust" (and entertaining) way.

You jump to respond to his but choose not to respond to mine. The inference there (to me anyway) is that you're looking for disagreement.

Don't create problems where there are none, there's enough lunatics in the world doing that already without having it on here.

From a purely "logical" view:

A conversation between two "men." (if that's not offensive)

"Hey Everton are playing this afternoon are you gonna watch the game?"

"But they played the day before yesterday, that's a bit soon for another game isn't it?"

"Nah they didn't they played five days ago in that competition thing."

"No, they played day before yesterday, Tom Davies scored."

"Ohhhh you're talking about the men's EPL team. I meant the female gender team."

"Well why the fuck didn't you say that then you tool."

See how simple life can be Mike?

(I apologize to hammers, screwdrivers etc the world over for any offence caused by the misuse of the word "tool.")

They're all teams with age limits what's why they're called that.

As for your pure fantasy conversation, why wouldn't you know your teams fixture list?

As a side point, I'm not telling YOU to call them Everton. I merely raised a question as to why the team needs to be called Everton Ladies by the club? You can refer to them as whatever you want.

Everton FC .... Everton Fanny Club? You can call them that if you want to. I won't stop you.

Good to see you back.

No wishy-washy political correct fence-sitting you. I respect that.

Tactical withdrawal, eh?

Was that more the evacuation of Dunkirk, or the Siege of Stalingrad?

I am curious that the discussion is seen as a potential crusade. Its not, its just a discussion of the different issues raised by Everton's promoting the away kit using the women's team. I'm glad its happening here, as one aspect of supporting our club.

So is this name the choice of the women's club themselves? Please, don't blame Bill as usual.

And before anyone starts talking about the relative strengths of men and women, don't you think there are footballers amongst the women who are physically stronger than, for example, Leon Osman? No reason why a woman shouldn't have tricky feet and a kitten shot like Ossie is there?

The future is no Everton and Everton Ladies, just Everton open to both genders.

I think the whole discussion, and the fact that some of you are offended by the term sums up just how fucking mad this world has become.

No, I'm not a dinosaur, I just happen to have common sense and can see when something's belittling or stereotypical.

"Lady" can be construed as a formal or polite way of referring to a woman as in "I spoke to the lady who lives next door but one."

If you're (and others) problem is that you feel it should be referred to as Everton "Women" then I find that petty. I asked my wife (a woman who happens to be a lady) her take on this and she basically couldn't believe there would be "men" bringing this up on ToffeeWeb.

Asked her if she'd be offended by being referred to as someone who plays for Everton ladies. She says you need to get a life and worry over important things instead of being offended on behalf of someone else, which I might add, she said is condescending in itself.

Mike (#39).

The teams are given those titles because there are restrictions on who can qualify to play for them. Just as the term "ladies" would signify men can't play for that team.

Now if your argument is ladies vs women then you have a point but one that is, again in my wife's opinion, (and words) bloody ridiculous. She also said you need to "get a life" but I won't put that on here coz you may be offended hearing that from a lady, woman, wife, mother, sister.

Your point about "why wouldn't you know your team's fixture list" is pathetic, sorry, as is the invitation for me to call them Everton Fanny Club.

Sometimes, when you're being a bit of a dick, it's best to just stop digging. No offence.

I've been enjoying this back-and-forth, chuckling not only at the witty points made but at what seems to get people really, really upset these days.

Also because here in the Colonies the same debate ended 20 years ago... the idea of calling a team "Ladies" here wouldn't even come up today. Having just watched the Wimbledon Ladies Championship, I reflected that the US Open has always been called the Women's Championship as far as I know. Yet female golfers here still play on the LPGA (and the L stands for Ladies) while competing for the Women's Championship.

Now if your argument is ladies vs women then you have a point but one that is, again in my wife's opinion, (and words) bloody ridiculous.”

I refer you back to my first point then and we should be supporting Everton Lads.

“She also said you need to "get a life" but I won't put that on here coz you may be offended hearing that from a lady, woman, wife, mother, sister.”

My wife said that too, and I'm not offended. I haven't been offended once during our dialogue, I'm not sure how you got that impression.

“Your point about "why wouldn't you know your team's fixture list" is pathetic.”

Just a facetious retort to a ludicrous comment.

“As is the invitation for me to call them Everton Fanny Club.”

The point you missed is you can call them what you want. No one will stop you.

Like I said, I merely asked a question whether it's necessary to have anything after Everton.

“Sometimes, when you're being a bit of a dick, it's best to just stop digging.”

I hope you've put the spade away... xx

I get your example of the lady next door, context alters how words are perceived, although I believe the term in a general social sense is negative. I appreciate your wife feels differently; not all women think the same.

My women friends and work colleagues agree the term is negative for women. They think the word is the tip of an iceberg that has links across millions of people affected by equality issues and so not a small thing.

They are also highly amused that this conversation is going on and applaud the fact that men on a football blog are debating these issues. So I am speaking on this topic from a position of support, not condescension.

Mike (#44) bring on the day. In the meantime, the debate is about the assumptions behind what's in a name at this point in time.

Jay (#44), some quips I hope, but not point scoring. This discussion has been very informative for me and is an effect of Everton (and Barcelona!) raising these issues

You manage to roll equal pay, equality and disability into a ball which you caricature and then kick into touch. I wondered beyond your annoyance with the way I and others have spoken on these issues, what is your thinking is on these issues and how would you address them?

I like it as I did previous versions using a combination of pink and black. Why anybody would object to using pink in an Everton top, I can't understand. Looks good and better than the home top with the weird neck.

As for the rather peculiar argument about the female team and what it should be called, some of us appear to be unable to see the wood from the trees.

I suspect most females find the whole argument rather silly. What should be tackled is genuine discrimination such as equal pay – not worrying about semantics. My wife/partner certainly agrees as, I suspect, do most females.

Personally, I view the word “ladies” as simply a more polite and courteous term than “women” and that to me is a positive thing. Sorry if this offends you, Kev.

Most female premier league teams are called “Ladies”. Nobody has ever bothered. Why not ask them, footballers and others, what they think? It would be a refreshing change to hear the views of some females on this site rather than sometimes boorish male views.

I wonder what Orwell would think of all this? He was concerned about how use of language and restriction of vocabulary can be used to suppress opinions and freedom of speech. Kev, please note.

Clearly, the use of certain words, whether referring to women or others, because of the meaning we put on them, are rightly frowned on but let's keep things in perspective.