What I'd like to know is how many of these out-of-towners have a matchday of the following: Get in the car, sit in traffic, park the car, watch match, get in car, sit in traffic, get home and moan at the Mrs as Beattie played a stinker again?
I'm getting the feeling that these are the people who will be voting YES to Kirkby for the sake of convinience, as it makes their matchday easier. I'm not having a go at these people as I completely understand, this isn't a slagging off anyone. My point is that you guys don't have a matchday like some of us local to Goodison; to us it's not just the match, it's a whole day, a social event, a chance to have a drink and a laugh with your mates.
My matchday is like this: Get the BlackHorse and meet my mates, a few beers, bit of a crack about the team news, then a quick hop up the ground, watch the game, cheer on the boys, then a quick hop back the boozer for a couple of hours of disecting the game and talking things over.
This is not just me; this is thousands of local blues (judging by how busy County Rd is on a matchday). The inability to carry on this routine would be like taking away some of the soul of matchday. Those of you that don't do it won't understand but don't have a go at us lot who refuse to back this move outside the city.
I'm not an idiot, I know something needs to be done and I know a club can't stay in the past because a few people want to stay in their pubs. I know we need to move with the times etc. But until I see a full proposal saying that Goodison cannot be redeveloped or we don't have a local alternative (Scottie Rd) then I wont be happy and I'll vote a resounding NO to Kirkby.
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1 Posted 25/07/2007 at 16:59:44
2 Posted 25/07/2007 at 17:28:40
"What I?d like to know is how many of these out-of-towners have a matchday of the following: Get in the car, sit in traffic, park the car, watch match, get in car, sit in traffic, get home and moan at the Mrs as Beattie played a stinker again?"
I don?t speak for all out-of-towners but I bet the answer to your question is none. The match day buzz is the match day buzz whether you wake up in London, Maghull, or in Gwladys St itself. Be it on train spotting fellow Bluenoses, in a car with scarf out the window, arriving in time for pre-match beers then after the game either a drive home with Radio Merseyside breaking into 606 when finally out of reach or stay in Liverpool for a night with the relatives or on the beers dissecting the game.
To believe that us out-of-towners do not savour the Goodison experience does us a great disservice, it made not be the same as those that live ?locally, and believe me when I traipsed to Goodison from Dublin, Durham London and Brussels for more games a season than I could afford, I really envied local Evertonians.
Your question (upon which your argument is based) makes it sound like out-of-towners equate a trip to the footie with an afternoon at Homebase and the idea that the yes/no split is demarked by where you visit Goodison from is simply wrong.
3 Posted 25/07/2007 at 17:36:12
Sorry to be pedantic but your article only allows for the convenience of those people who currently live within walking distance or a hop on the train away from GP.
Many fans from the City (not just out of towners) especially South Liverpool have to drive to GP and sit in traffic and thank God they do.
Maybe after a long time of it being convenient for you to stroll to the match you can now make the effort like the majority of us who have to travel. There are pubs in Kirkby too you know.
4 Posted 25/07/2007 at 17:58:45
Maybe if the club moves to the new site you can combine the 2 differing match day experiences you mention.
Fistly, you’ll be in the car to get to the ground, with ample spacing in a car park so large in can accommodate not only 55,000 Blue Noses but also Saturday shoppers at Tescos.
Secondly you can meet your mates in your new local. I’ve never been to the Black Horse but you won’t mind swapping it for a Hog’s Head will you? Or a Weatherspoons, O’Niell’s, maybe even a TGI Fridays?
Then after the match against AC Milan or Barcelona, back to TGI’s or a Nando’s for a bite to eat to disect the match.
I know it’s not quite the same, but apparently it’s the way forward and will save us from relegation as the post above stated.
Don’t know whether to laugh or cry...
5 Posted 25/07/2007 at 20:55:59
Question: Would we get more support if the ground was easier to get to and easier to park?
Question: Does Kirkby give us that?
Answer: Actually, probable not, unless they improve road and rail access.
We need to move. We need to move to somewhere with good rail and road links, and we need to move soon.
6 Posted 25/07/2007 at 21:39:11
If it’s such a bad area to get to why are LFC staying and in the process they are looking at opening up an old rail line, unused by passengers since the 70’s. How is Kirkby really any better? The m57 is no Californian 8 lane super highway... there’ll be jams getting on and off it, just like Queens Drive now and we’ll supposedly have another 15,000 attending making it worse.
7 Posted 26/07/2007 at 03:12:43
At the moment I have a heck of a drive from Wakefield and then a 20 minute walk from the Stanley Park all weather pitches to get to the ground, and then I decide where to go prior to the match. I can?t see that the Redshitestadium is going to make this easier for me, so can I and those like me get a bit of sympathy from those ?living on the doorstep? please?!
8 Posted 26/07/2007 at 03:08:31
9 Posted 26/07/2007 at 03:27:51
10 Posted 26/07/2007 at 10:46:40
11 Posted 26/07/2007 at 19:01:50
12 Posted 26/07/2007 at 22:30:28
I think the real question is whether the move to Kirkby is going to be good for the club, or not. I think we also need much more information from the board about why, they say there are no alternatives.
As for going to Kirkby, I get a terrible feeling that we will surrender the city to the other lot. I know In can not back this up with facts but what I can say is, there appears to be more and more kids running about in the uniform of the servants of satan. If we leave, what have the kids in this city got to look up to. Some fans believe that it doesn’t matter where we go to, we will still go. I don’t disagree, as we will travel to watch our team but I don’t believe that is the problem. The problem as I see it is, over time, our support within the city will dwindle away.It may take a while but I think it will happen.
Some Evertonians believe it will not affect us by leaving the city and suggest that Kirkby is part of Liverpool anyway. Well, it isn’t. The problem is, we won’t know if we make the right or wrong choice unless we go. If we make the wrong decision, we will not get a chance to reverse it, we will will have no way back. I think the only reason that we are getting a vote, is because Bill Kenwright knows it is a deeply contentious issue and he doesn’t want to be the one who moves Everton out of Liverpool.
I don’t know if any of the sites that the council have offered, will suit our purpose but who can we thank for that.
Our Board, that’s who. For close on nine months Everton have developed plans, with Tesco and Knowsley Borough Council, to the exclusion of any other alternative that might be available within the city. I cannot trust Bill Kenwright to do what is best for Everto, I believe he will do what he thinks is best for his version of Everton, that is, with him remaining as chair no matter what. Well, after the Kings Dock disaster, and it was a disaster, after the Fortress Sports fairytale, some people might have called it a lie, and after Kenwright accusing Gregg of frightening American investors away, I just don’t trust Mr Kenwright with our club. I cannot believe that we are almost the only club not to have any serious bids for control/investment. All we seem to have got is Planet Hollywood and Rocky coming to town...once!
I’ll be voting no to Kirkby as I believe it will seriously damage our club.
The alternative..well that’s a whole topic on it’s own. We need investment but Celtic did it with a share issue among the fans, why have we never even investigated this? If we have over 600,000 blues world wide, is there not a chance that funding could be found among our own, to regenerate Goodison, or to find a site within Liverpool?
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