My goodness, the stadium debate...
I am a regular visitor to this site and have been following the ground move. I was glad to hear the news that the club was to involve the fans in a ballot, but shortly after it appeared to be a shot-gun-marriage. Vote for Kirkby without any alternative locations or plans!? What kind of plot is that?
Surely Wyness & Co were hoping for a majority of Yes woters in order to pursue the Kirkby project. Everton?s Chief Executive Keith Wyness said: ?As we have done all along, we fully support what we regard as a key, hugely significant initiative both for ourselves and the people of Kirkby. Having gained a mandate from our own supporters to relocate to the area...?
Well, the Yes woters gave him the mandate, the green light to go ahead with the Tesco deal. I am simply awestruck; with the initial stadium impressions, the ballot, the outcome of the ballot and now the new impressions which confirmed my worst fears that Everton slowly will turn out to be a Tesco subsidiary located in a car park!
Are you really that desperate to leave Liverpool City and The Grand Old Lady without the club to exploring other solutions? The Tesco deal would have lost big time if it was to compete in a ballot with other ground moves, I am sure. By the way, the debate regarding whether Kirkby is in Liverpool or not is a pointless discussion, just ask any Redshites and they will tell you the answer. Anyway, you will understand their response to that question the day you travel by car or train to a soulless Tesco ground located in a car park in Kirkby.
I have been an Everton supporter since the days of Kendall, Latchford, Royle, Lyons etc in the 70?s. I love the atmosphere going to any ground where you can go from pub to pub, through the good old neighborhoods? with the all familiar buzz in the air on match days. I?m still only 41, but I say to you all: Bon voyage, this Evertonian is not up to the Kirkby Tecso car park travel.
Always and for Everton
NB: To the board of EFC. Do you really think it will be good for EFC business to locate the ground far away from the Liverpool city center with all its possibilities? Please reconsider and explore other options that are inside the city of Liverpool. You have the possibility to create and make EFC a landmark, a giant beckon for all (not only the EFC fanbase) visitors to come and not a soulless hull, an empty gust, sitting on a deserted car park as you now are planning. And yes, your Kirkby plan is a view to a kill.
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1 Posted 18/11/2007 at 19:27:46
So what are the options , were getting told we carnt move to anywhere were tesco are not involved , for money reasons , an the loop site? how are we going to pay for it if tesco rnt involved,?
I'd rather see us playing at goodison than in some fucking ricoh arena in some shitty town , and thats what it is i live in westvale so i should know
2 Posted 18/11/2007 at 19:38:31
does that include the burned out and boarded up rows of terraces within a stones throw of goodison, specifically the estate behind the mega store.
the option for pub to pub will arrive in kirkby, the trade will follow the drinkers because the drinkers will follow the 90 minutes on the pitch - more so with no restricted views and the half time possibility of a pint, pie AND a piss. fancy that, fed and watered and access to the urinals all in the halftime 10 minutes. heavenly.
just a quick addition, arsenal make more from the corporate boxes per season than they do from the fans through the turnstyles.
you dont want to follow follow follow everton anymore on the back of a 4 mile move, then good riddance to you.
3 Posted 18/11/2007 at 19:46:17
Well why not fuck of out of it then if its so shitty??
4 Posted 18/11/2007 at 19:37:34
5 Posted 18/11/2007 at 19:59:26
i live there cos i have to not by choice
arsenal are in the champions league every single year , there based in the capital of our country not some overspill called kirkby thats probably why there boxes are full which is probably why they make alot of money out of it.
6 Posted 18/11/2007 at 20:14:40
do you think for 1 minute by moving out of this city that thats going to attract the corporate that you mentioned make a hell of alot of money for arsenal???
fucking no chance mate , why would anybody wiyh any sense of business knoledge come flocking to the ricoh arena when theres a thriving city that where moving out of??
walton is not the best but neither is kirkby your the person who compared the two!
7 Posted 18/11/2007 at 20:01:10
8 Posted 18/11/2007 at 20:53:02
The design is bollocks, no imagination and a boring 4 identical sided piece of architecture that gives no heed to the traditions of Goodison or Everton FC, and smacks of cheap and easy. 2/10 ( and that’s only for the 50,000 seats and no pillars )
Nil satis nisi optimum? Oh, please!!!
As the self proclaimed ’People’s Club’ you would think they could at least have asked a forum or two, or requested ideas from fans, for the design. Whilst I realise this is no simple task, we don’t change stadia very often ( could be there for another 100+ years ) and getting it as right as possible is important. Wyness never addressed more than one or two aspects of the design back in the Summer and he should be trying to include those of us who feel it’s not up to scratch rather than ignoring us. There’s a lot of talent in our Supporter base - a lot of it would come free of charge too I’m sure.
What has he really got to lose by canvassing opinion on the design? Time may be important what with Planning applications and the cost of steel etc, but there’s more to be gained by getting some harmony in the fan base than rushing through this bland and soulless design.
9 Posted 18/11/2007 at 21:13:39
Tell you what, don’t talk about it, if you’re that bothered just fuck off, you’re obviously not a proper fan. Even though you state your credentials at the end as every fan who is turning their back on the club is wont to do they mean fuck all if you are ready to jack the club in just like that because of a four mile move.
As someone said before, either put up or shut up. To paraphrase, I’d like to say either turn up or shut the hell up.
10 Posted 18/11/2007 at 21:44:51
The stadium might be rubbish, the alternativesinvolve hundred?s of millions, and we have no money, lack of success is the cause of this.
Whatever we say about Liverpool fc (and I hate the derogatary remarks made about other clubs on this site) they have had success and the cash to go with it..........so do you think Wyness and Kenwright are magicians??? where?s the money coming from
I?ve watched everton since Tony Macnamara thundered down the wing, and Tansley played full back, I?d watch them anywhere and if a move to Kirkby is the reason you stop going then you?re a sad excuse for a supporter, sorry mate not trying to be rude but your explanation is just not good enough.
I?d love any anti Kirkby voter explain logically and clearly how and where we build a new stadium, oh and with what.
11 Posted 18/11/2007 at 21:55:31
According to Wyness himself....Kirkby is going to cost us at least £50m.... not to mention all the issues regarding poor public transport, location, loss of tradition/history/identity. That £50m, (other sources say £80m +) will get you all the redevelopment you need at Goodison to more than match Kirkby’s capacity. Conversely it also exceeds the contribution required for the Loop site. I hope that’s logical enough!!!
12 Posted 18/11/2007 at 21:54:01
"If your that bothered just fuck off"
Nice one mate, not just Kirkby, but empty Kirkby for you then
"Your not a real Evertonian" then he says "your not an Evertonian for selling out" and this shite goes on and on and on . . . . . .
its not the Yes voters or the no voters I cant stomach its people who are hell bent on perpetuating this petty name calling
13 Posted 18/11/2007 at 22:02:52
14 Posted 18/11/2007 at 22:14:00
It’s not in the city and it’s not gonna be the same club in a lot ov supporter’s eye’s there’s no escaping that fact. The images of the new stadium were embarrasing, cheap looking and utter shite. It made my blood boil just looking at it and certain away fan’s will have a field day.
I still find it hard to believe that the people in charge of our football club even contemplated a move out of Liverpoool. John Moores must be turning in his grave.
15 Posted 18/11/2007 at 22:41:18
16 Posted 18/11/2007 at 22:47:38
If you cut me in half I will bleed blue, if you cut them in half they will bleed yellow.
Like I said before, if they’re are that bothered about it don’t turn up, but don’t come on here bleating about it like some sort of martyr. The move is now inevitable, it will happen, it’s as simple as that, nothing anyone can say or do will change that fact now.
17 Posted 18/11/2007 at 23:16:27
18 Posted 18/11/2007 at 23:59:33
I said we would support them wherever as a retort for all these fans saying that they would drop the club after the move.
Out of interest, will you be one of these fans turning their backs on the club?
19 Posted 19/11/2007 at 00:08:23
20 Posted 19/11/2007 at 05:44:12
you and your four mates would go anywhere, so you dont care about anyone else ? Everton is a club mate, one of the oldest footballing institutions in the world and by telling people who dont want to go to Kirkby to fuck off you widen the divide, what if the no voters and took your advice and stopped going now ?
20, OOO against Sunderland might give You the Bolton/Boro type of atmosphere you seem to be comfortable with, BUT THE REST OF US WANT SOMETHING BETTER
Do you really believe BK would dare to go anywhere if that happened ?
Next time you tell fellow blues to fuck off remember its about more than you and your four mates, much ,much more
21 Posted 19/11/2007 at 07:59:57
The only way that will happen is to build a culture of success at the club and that is the regular winning of silverware, high profile players on the pitch (they don’t live at the ground, they can live anywhere in the Greater Liverpool area they want) and provide corporate facilities that their customers want to come too, look at ManU and Arsenal they have all these in spades and they have the corporates on board.
How much footage of the outside of a stadium do you see on game day, not much so what does it care what it looks like or where the it is, once you’re inside (in person or watching on TV) it could look like a shoebox and it wouldn’t matter ’cause everyone is watching what’s going on on the pitch, not taking an architects tour of the outside.
22 Posted 19/11/2007 at 09:09:02
23 Posted 19/11/2007 at 12:35:04
24 Posted 19/11/2007 at 12:51:10
25 Posted 19/11/2007 at 13:36:41
26 Posted 19/11/2007 at 15:05:57
27 Posted 19/11/2007 at 17:00:46
28 Posted 19/11/2007 at 17:05:11
dont make me laff hoilday inn ???
probably 95 % of teams stay in the sas radisson of the marriot mate not some 50 quid a nite effort in kirkby!! think west ham have stayed there an wimbledon!!
wouldnt call them corporate anyway which top class business men stay at the holiday inn??
29 Posted 19/11/2007 at 17:28:36
The stadium designs are cheap. Souless doesnt even come close. Tesco football for the club with limited ambitions. The business plan is wrong. How would a site Kirkby attract more investment than a site in Liverpool city centre? How would this Reebok, Ewood Park style generic stadia ever inspire Evertonians when weve been brought up with Goodison?
Why are Evertonians telling each other to fuck off? If half of us did then there would be 25,000 watching EFC in the Tesco arena.
I fear the nail in the coffin for Everton. Not because we will go bankrupt and disappear from existence. But the nail in the coffin of our ambitions. Yes we cant stay at Goodison but there are other options. There has to be. We will never conquer domestically again with a move to Kirkby.
I refuse to take the "it will have to do" attitude! Goodison will have to do -until we find a new home. Not a retail park with a cheap set of stands surrounding a field
30 Posted 19/11/2007 at 18:37:31
Stop this bullshit name calling, lets just face the facts.1 we all LOVE everton footballclub fullstop. 2 We all know we need to get a new stadium just to compete in the premier league. 3 The new stadium is a fucking joke!! 4 Why cant we find any investors????? 5 If we move to kirby we WILL lose our history and tradition, ffs the stadium is in tesco carpark!!
We as evertonians deserve better, we work our asses off every week just to get to watchour beloved everton and for years we have been putting up with sub standard faciltiys and still paying top dollor to watch our team. The board dont own everton WE DO. without us the club is nothing!! However i would still go and watch our team play no matter they played.
The board has stuck two fingers up at the supporters. yes they gave us a vote, but they didnt show us those (great pictures of the new stadium in tescos carpark untill After the votes were counted) If we have to move to kirby why not build a stadium so grand that the fans could be proud of. As for the clubs debt, dosnt manchester united owe somthing in the region of 700 million??? Every club has debt, we all have debt thats the way of the world!! So why not spend 150millon on goodison?? keep the tradition the history and all evertonians happy!! investors will come knocking, knowing that we are the only club left in the premier league that has tradition fanbase and the best squad the club has assembled in years.. You owe it to yourselfs as loyal everton fans to protest to this kirby project, not because kirby is not in liverpool, not because the stadium looks crap cheap and in a tesco carpark, but because this massive club DESERVES better.
31 Posted 19/11/2007 at 19:53:04
32 Posted 19/11/2007 at 20:05:30
33 Posted 19/11/2007 at 20:50:10
Where have you been.....All your assumptions have been discussed ad nauseum on here.
Even Wyness accepted that GP was able to be redeveloped before the vote at a shareholders meeting..... he just said at the time that it was undeliverable because the funds weren’t available. Since the vote he has now said at another shareholders association meeting I believe, that Kirkby will cost Everton £50m min, the latest figures are apparently £80m, hardly nothing?! If we can now afford that we can afford to redevelop. The loop will not be accessed by bridges as such. The majority of the tunnel cutting will be covered to form open circulation and access routes. HOK the biggest stadium designers in the world assessed the site and have confirmed that it is indeed viable. They have fit bigger stadia into tighter spots all over the world. I don’t believe LFC have ever assessed the site, or certainly not fully, since it was only really proposed this year by Trevor Skempton to the city council..... several years after LFC applied for planning permission for Stanley Park. Therefore your well written analysis for voting yes would appear fundamentally flawed on several counts.
34 Posted 19/11/2007 at 21:38:36
35 Posted 19/11/2007 at 22:01:45
36 Posted 19/11/2007 at 22:40:14
Where has your original post gone? apologies if I’ve jumped thread, but it doesn’t appear listed anymore.
37 Posted 19/11/2007 at 22:51:24
38 Posted 19/11/2007 at 22:54:05
39 Posted 19/11/2007 at 22:51:43
40 Posted 19/11/2007 at 22:59:04
41 Posted 19/11/2007 at 23:35:08
42 Posted 20/11/2007 at 10:12:10
43 Posted 20/11/2007 at 10:19:08
The only reason anyone would vote YES was because they thought we were gonna get a decent look stadium for next to nothing.
Well now we’ve seen the generic stadium pictures for Retail Park FC and also its been established that £50-80m is not next to nothing.
We could rebuild Goodison with that kind of money or surely use that money to finance a development elsewhere (in the city)?
44 Posted 20/11/2007 at 11:33:01
45 Posted 21/11/2007 at 00:03:20
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