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Stadium Solution?

As the stadium debate and vote rolls on, I have a suggestion, no sorry I have a question that none of you will like. A question to every Evertonian out there who says that its not about location its about history and heritage. So, with history and heritage the main objections, my question is this:

Why then, when Liverpool FC vacate their stadium, don't we change the seats to blue, tear down their badges and put our crest in their place? We will then be returning to our 1st home, the place were it all began all those years ago and then the history will be complete? It already holds over 45000 and has corporate facilites.

I myself would never set foot in the godforsaken place. I just wanted put a bit of perspective on our history because we were the first team in the City and Anfield was our home! But no Evertonian alive today would even consider going back there.
Andy Baker, Liverpool Posted 17/07/2007 at 10:45:06

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Michael Kenrick

Apart from the fact that (a) it's not "ours" and never was; (b) it will be torn down... Oh! Now I've lost me thread somewhere.........

Paul Gladwell
1 Posted 17/07/2007 at 10:44:00

Tescos are giving us £50M for the stadium. What will we muster? about £30M then we will no doubt beg borrow and steal maybe muster it to something like £120M... well what do you think you will get with that? I may be wrong but was not the bill for the Emirates well exceeding £300M? Me sees a shallow maccano stadium with a slightly different design from the other shite that's been knocked up lately.

Don't be fooled by the propaganda bullshit in the coming weeks, this is 129 years of history being decided by an Aberdeen fan who has been here five minutes. Is it right to risk our heritage to people who when they do say somethung to us it is generally muddled or lies? I want progress but it should be done with everyone's backing.

Mark Wynne
2 Posted 17/07/2007 at 11:00:15

We'll be left with 'minimal' debts, will have an extra £10M of transfer funds, a £15M windfall from the sale of GP and any debts caused by the project will be offset by naming rights. Great, we'll have the spending power of Wolverhampton Wanders, play in the Tesco Value Dome... oh and we'll be in Kirkby.

This is Wyness's 'Deal of the Century'!?!?!? It's all based on filling a 50-55,000 seater stadium with the turgid shite we dish out on an annual basis. I really cannot see how we're going to be any better off. After all, we'll be in Kirkby and there will be no turning back The one thing we have in our favour is Goodison and we?ll be selling it in a hope to balance the books. Is Wyness for real? He sounds like a fucking dodgy used car salesman!

Eric Yarker
3 Posted 17/07/2007 at 12:00:21

Just noted on the Beeb that Wyness has been eulogizing about the "deal of the century" he's line up for us (Clubcard points included eh Keith?) and stating that he's confident that the fans will vote in favour of the move to Kirkby. Haven't we been down this road before with the Kings Dock fiasco and the cynic inside me just wonders at the timing of this statement coming hot on the tail of ballot. If the vote goes against the move (fingers crossed) will he fall on his sword? Somehow I doubt it... If the RS can get their sweaty little hands on Stanley Park why don't we build on Walton Park? After all, we call our selves "the Peoples Club".

Shaun Brennan
4 Posted 17/07/2007 at 14:49:13

Paul it’s not just the propaganda panda (wyness) who’s going to bullshit us. he also mentioned this in the papers "The result of the ballot will not be totally binding on the club, as the board will have the final say#"
It’s likely the descision is made if thats the case.

Rupert Sullivan
5 Posted 17/07/2007 at 13:43:28

I note with interest that Wyness has announced that fans who have held a season ticket and/ or a share will receive a vote. Fans who hold season tickets in multiples will only receive a single vote. However, what about fans with more than a single share? Previously I had believed that multiple shares would result in a single vote as well, but the announcement by Wyness makes no mention of this. How many shares does BK own?

Dan McKie
6 Posted 17/07/2007 at 13:53:48

I have just read the article about the new stadium plans and have totally been swayed towards Kirkby and a fancy new stadium!!

Thats a 'yes' for my vote Wyness!

ps: Dont like the idea of the naming rights going elsewhere tho!!

Adam Carey
7 Posted 17/07/2007 at 15:27:08

In reply to Eric Yarker...We wouldn’t be able to afford to build a stadium regardless of whether the Liverpool Council gave us some land.
The main part of the article that stood out to me is that Tesco will pay their own people to build it.
As for the naming rights, that’s just the way it is these days. It was never gonna be called New Goodison was it?

Tony Lynch
8 Posted 17/07/2007 at 17:35:21

When Everton move to Kirkby it will be an absolute disaster for the fans, the entire L4 area and eventually the club. I say ’when’ because as far as i can see it is a done deal. And it is the fans who have been done up like kippers. Everton and the local media have been spewing propaganda at the fans. They are trying to portray anyone who is against the move as idiots, saying ’it’s the deal of the century’. No it is not. Not for the majority of the fans, who don’t want to leave. Wyness says ’there is no plan B’. In that case he is the idiot for putting all of OUR eggs into Tesco’s basket. If the ballot shows a majority are in favour of the move, I simply won’t believe it. If the ballot shows that fans are in favour of remaining in the city, then I think the club will go anyway. Evertonians need to put on a united front on this issue. Our club is being taken away from us RIGHT NOW, and we are powerless to prevent it. I will not go to Kirkby to watch the Blues once they have moved. Not because I disagree with the move, but because of the sneaky underhand way in which Bill Kenwright and Keith Wyness have made this whole thing happen.

Steve Williams
9 Posted 17/07/2007 at 18:21:14

Tony which part of the independant ballot won’t you beleive if the move is in favour. I’m for a move but not to Kirkby but unfortunately the Electoral Reform Society would be in a lot of trouble if there was even a hint of fixing the vote.

Its not the right move if it happens but the Club believe it or not have already outlived many thousand of supporters in their lifetime through some of the clubs worst moments in their history. Everton is a tradition to a great many people and that will not be weakened to the majority for both regular and occasional match goers. If Everton are in your heart it is very difficult to let go. Some might but I certainly couldn’t imagine turning my back on the club regardless.

Everton don’t forget are also working on their wider appeal globably with formalised inititives in many countries, in areas were interest in football is a growth area, unlike in the Uk were it is pretty much saturated. These are also areas when the brand is established that could prove possible sources of investment in the future. Just think about it???? Looking at the wider picture can always reveal more opportunities than looking at it as a closed shop scenario of ’this is the end for Everton and nothing good will come out of it’.

Like it or lump the RS are Liverpool City Councils golden child. No amount of sweetners or pressure is going to change that. Liverpool to the council is a major selling point for the Capital of Culture pantomine next year and beyond. The brand that is the RS will be and has been already closely tied in with the promotion of Liverpol 08. Bradley is sending mixed messages out as well. One minute its we’ve found 2 proposed sites, but they’ve been deliberately offered I feel so that one is too far away from almost everyone and the other has very poor transport infrastructure and just to confuse it further he has now come out and questioned why LCC should ’waste’ 50 million of Liverpool Taxpayers money in making land available. So we are clearly not wanted by LCC. They want Walton to become a carpark, so it can be forgotten just as much as they have shamelessly forgotten it so far in terms of regeneration all these years.

As a probable no vote as mentioned, this is not me supporting the move to Kirkby its about looking at the wider issues and appreciating that there will still be opportunities for us to progress even though it won’t be our beloved Goodison Park.

Roy Coyne
10 Posted 17/07/2007 at 21:44:12

I don’t know why we need to vote the lying,cheating bastards have worded it as it dose not matter if we vote against it because a asset stripper from Aberdeen and a dishonorable chairman know better than the rest of us and we are moving