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A pain in the neck

I shan`t be getting a vote in the forthcoming ballot. I saw my first game at Goodison when Ted Sagar was in goal but gave up my season ticket and sold the family shares after the King`s Dock and Fortress affairs exposed the Chairman as a lying, self-serving manipulator.

I still go to the matches, buying the cheapest seat I can get which often means I miss a lot of the action from behind my pillar and frequently go home with a stiff neck!

I don`t buy pies, pints, programmes or subscribe to any TV channels which might put pounds into the Ken/Wy pockets. All in all, I detest what the CLUB has become but I still love my TEAM. Now I do know that most of them are mercenaries who don`t give a shit for the Everton traditions but as long as they put in a good shift and keep us among the pacemakers, they`ll do for me.

So where does that leave me in the great ground debate? Strange as it might seem, very much in favour of the move. None of my kids have the slightest interest but I want there to be an Everton for all those whose lives, like mine have been blessed by love for `the boys in blue`. There can be no long term future at Goodison but what`s the point of the Club bankrupting itself to build New Goodison in Liverpool when it can get a virtual free ticket to Kirkby and continue to invest in the team.

I don`t know how much longer I shall be able to get to the games but I would sure like to have at least a couple of seasons without a stiff neck. And who knows,I might even be able to see who scores for Everton without having to get a report from someone four rows behind!
Bert Telfer, Maghull Posted 19/07/2007 at 12:03:03

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steve lyth
1 Posted 19/07/2007 at 12:58:46

Easy soloution, buy a better seat at Goodison ya miser, no need to move at all.

Allan Hobbs
2 Posted 19/07/2007 at 13:02:05

Well said, forget Goodison, its a creaky old ground with some fond memories - end of story.

Build a new one, Kirby or the moon, I’ll still go and watch games. i think it’s time people put up and shut up, faced reality and got on with building a shiny new ground.

This is getting very dull now.

Nick Entwistle
3 Posted 19/07/2007 at 13:06:44

Got to disagree with the mercenaries point to the artical... do you think our players think of our club in the way that Newcastle’s do with theirs?
It was only a Real Madrid bid that got Tommy G, and fair play, can’t fault his move really. You won’t find many of our players moving just for better wages that’s for sure.

steve lyth
4 Posted 19/07/2007 at 14:34:36

Why dont you shut up Mr Hobbs ? Move because you say so, my arse, democracy aint dead yet fella. Shiny new ground ? I will believe in the reality of it when it happens, until then I will be voting NO, dull it may be, important it certainly is.

Tom Morris
5 Posted 19/07/2007 at 15:13:31

Steve Leath,

You won’t believe in the reality of a new ground until you see it, and until then you’ll vote ’no’ ?

Will you vote ’yes’ when it’s built then ?

Confused.

steve lyth
6 Posted 19/07/2007 at 15:28:59

That,ll be a No then Mr Norris

Allan Hobbs
7 Posted 19/07/2007 at 15:27:42

Steve Lyth - I dont shut up because I believe my opinion is worthy of airing. I believe that its pointless to hang onto the past and that we should look to the future - is that so wrong? Everton can’t dine out on ’knowin yer istory’ forever my friend. If you think that a clubs future is built solely on its history then you’re sorely mistaken.

Give me one good econnomical reason why staying at Goodison or within the city is the best option versus moving to Kirkby? 21st Century football is about money, like it or not thats the truth. move with the times or die, sink or swim.....you decide.

steve lyth
8 Posted 19/07/2007 at 15:55:52

Allan Hobbs, your thinking for me, asking me to either Die, Sink or Swim.
Your also asking those who dont agree with your opinion to put up or shut up.Carry on airing your opinion but dont foist it upon others who do not agree with you.
As for economics the deal may seem very simple for you, long term benefits to the club and all that shite.
Personaly its very simple for me, I want Kenwright and Wyness out, giving them a No vote will signify my feelings towards the present hierarchy and if the majority feel as I do, I believe they might just get the message.Perhaps then Bill might look a little bit harder for a buyer, that economical enough for ya honey.

Paul Phillips
9 Posted 19/07/2007 at 16:23:54

But steve ,how can you possibly know that a buyer will be any better for Everton and its supporters than the present incumbent.Bert Telfer sums up how most of us feel about Kenwright but change for changes sake will achieve nothing.For instance,who wants another Johnson.As someone said the other day,’be careful what you wish for!’
I don’t really see what the politics of removing Kenwright have to do with the ground move.OK,I’ve got reservations about Kirkby but it’s because it’s planned for there it’s so cheap.Anywhere else would take it out of the Club’s and Tesco’s financial reach.
Let’s be sensible,it looks a great deal-don’t let’s have another King’s Dock to regret,I beg you!

Allan Hobbs
10 Posted 19/07/2007 at 16:30:33

Steve - ’long term benefits to the club and all that shite’ surely this is the overiding factor? Is the past more important than the future?

You seem blinded by the past and your agresive tone speaks volumes. If you think your No vote will signify your feelings towards the current hierachy then I would suggest that you’re deluded. All a No vote says is....well....no!

Your points holds no water Steve, you don’t actually have a point to make and I refuse to be drawn into an argument with a stranger on the Internet about it.

Steve Mc
11 Posted 19/07/2007 at 18:47:42

Dull, I’ll tell, you what’s dull. People wanting to go to ’Kirby’. I hope you know where it is ’cos you won’t find it on a map. Kirkby FFS.

roy coyne
12 Posted 20/07/2007 at 00:08:12

Alan could you explain the long term benefits please as nothing is guaranteed will we fill the ground,will people get season tickets the money Kenwright is always grasping for I mean my first thought was if we move I’m not going to any home games yes I will still go to away,but I am not strong willed with Everton or the Mrs for that matter so when I relent and go to the tescodome why would I pay up front for a season ticket which I have done for the best part of 50 years when I will be able to pay per game so even if Kenwright gets my money it will be on my terms oh and the rest of the cost drinks ect well I know I can wait till I get back homethe question is if half the present match goers did this where is the benefit of moving ,please dont say coparate boxs as we will struggle to attract them to Kirkby. I could go on and tell you how angry, no upset I am at the fact that hes sold off everything we owned and now Goodison is going to.

steve lyth
13 Posted 20/07/2007 at 09:17:23

Allan, I think Roy,s response sums up the way I feel about this whole matter.
In no way am I living in the past with regard to the vote I am going to make.Deal of the Century for who exactly ? Everton will not attract the commercial sponsors Wyness covets, it just will not happen as Roy says.Do I want to go Kirkby and surrender the city to the shite ? NO.
Do we have to move out of Goodison at this moment in time ? Apparently we do according to Slyness. I am sorry you think my tone was aggressive but I found yours quite patronising and quite a lot of the 40 somethings I go the game with feel the same way as I do about this issue.
We simply dont trust Bill anymore and have never believed in Bully Beef Keith. You buy the club propaganda line if you want, I for one will not be following it to Kirkby. It will be away days only for some of us if the "Aye,s" have the day.