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'No' voters have been given additional hope with the news that sites are available within the city and that Warren is "confident" that a deal can be done.
To those who take issue with the idea of neglecting the many opportunities to spend money within the ground or at the shop, do suggest an alternative way to make moneymen listen. Reasoned argument over a small sweet sherry? Or an avuncular hand on Wyness' shoulder, "Now look here, old boy ..."
And if anyone sincerely believes that such an embargo would affect the strength of the playing squad, may I wonder if short term pain is preferable to long term Kirkby? The time is critical. Strong answers are required.
Mike McLean, Posted 22/07/2007 at 14:06:31
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Brian Waring
2 Posted 22/07/2007 at 18:04:32
2 Posted 22/07/2007 at 18:04:32
Neil,"There are no financially funded available sites within the city"Is that just your opinion,or do you actually know that for certain?Have you an insider in the council,who has told you it’s all bullshit that Bradley is spouting?Or, again is that just your opinion?It’s easy this opinion lark isn’t it?I remember a certain Mr Kenwright,giving us all hope with a world class state of the art stadium.And then let us all down.
Neil Pearse
3 Posted 22/07/2007 at 18:41:59
3 Posted 22/07/2007 at 18:41:59
Brian, I have no insider information, unfortunately, but I don’t need any.
It is extremely well-known that Everton have been looking to build a newe ground within the Liverpool city boundaries for several years. In that time, the LCC has not offered, nor is it offering now, to provide Everton with some free or heavily discounted land on which to build a ground. In that time, no investor or investors has come forward to fully or partly fund the development of an Everton football ground. Not one.
Now it could be the case, as many of you seem to believe, that, at the eleventh hour, the LCC and unnamed investors are ready, willing and able to fund the development of an Everton ground within the city boundaries. But don’t you think it even slightly surprising that at this late stage we have no idea who these people are or what they are offering or where we are going to build?
Don’t you perhaps think it more likely that Mr Bradley is now engaged in a political damage limitation exercise to avoid becoming ’the man who drove Everton out of the city’? Yet even now he is coming up with nothing concrete.
On the one hand we have no specified site, no plausible funding, and obvious political arse-covering. On the other, we have a long-standing, well-developed commitment from Knowsley and Tesco to fund the building of a new stadium for Everton Football Club.
There is something, you know, about a bird in the hand being worth two in the bush. But this is a matter of a bird in the hand being worth something that might be a bush (and maybe has a bird in it).
It is extremely well-known that Everton have been looking to build a newe ground within the Liverpool city boundaries for several years. In that time, the LCC has not offered, nor is it offering now, to provide Everton with some free or heavily discounted land on which to build a ground. In that time, no investor or investors has come forward to fully or partly fund the development of an Everton football ground. Not one.
Now it could be the case, as many of you seem to believe, that, at the eleventh hour, the LCC and unnamed investors are ready, willing and able to fund the development of an Everton ground within the city boundaries. But don’t you think it even slightly surprising that at this late stage we have no idea who these people are or what they are offering or where we are going to build?
Don’t you perhaps think it more likely that Mr Bradley is now engaged in a political damage limitation exercise to avoid becoming ’the man who drove Everton out of the city’? Yet even now he is coming up with nothing concrete.
On the one hand we have no specified site, no plausible funding, and obvious political arse-covering. On the other, we have a long-standing, well-developed commitment from Knowsley and Tesco to fund the building of a new stadium for Everton Football Club.
There is something, you know, about a bird in the hand being worth two in the bush. But this is a matter of a bird in the hand being worth something that might be a bush (and maybe has a bird in it).
Brian Waring
4 Posted 22/07/2007 at 19:01:11
4 Posted 22/07/2007 at 19:01:11
I can see where your coming from Neil.But surley it can do no harm Kenwright saying to Bradley okay,what have you got?Can you broker a deal better than Kirkby for us?If not,Kenwight can walk away and say to us,that he talked to the council and they could offer us nothing concrete(no pun intended).He then covers his back,and as you say Bradley looks a right tit.I know it’s not as easy as that.But can you see what I’m getting at?
Neil Pearse
5 Posted 22/07/2007 at 19:20:45
5 Posted 22/07/2007 at 19:20:45
I can see where you are coming from Brian. It truly is ’put up or shut up’ time as far as the LCC are concerned (who as we can see in the local press are now all squabbling amongst themselves, passing the blame as to who has been most derelict in their duty to Everton over the past few years - certainly a tough call).
I’ve no problem agreeing with you. Let BK say to WB: "Okay, what have you got son? And it better be good - because times are moving on and we are skint!"
Problem is Bradley is already quoted as saying such things as "Surely Everton can attract investment the way Liverpool did". He has no more idea where the new money is coming from than we do. But let’s give him a chance.
My personal theory (no insider sources here either!) is that Kirkby will be built, and at that stage Everton will be an extremely attractive proposition to a major new investor (largely debt free, new ground, good squad, great fans etc. etc.). Bill will then stand aside, making a tidy profit in the process. But it’s not a bad scenario for Everton.
The problem with getting a big new investor in so far I can only assume is that no-one wanted to take on the responsibility of paying for the new ground.
I’ve no problem agreeing with you. Let BK say to WB: "Okay, what have you got son? And it better be good - because times are moving on and we are skint!"
Problem is Bradley is already quoted as saying such things as "Surely Everton can attract investment the way Liverpool did". He has no more idea where the new money is coming from than we do. But let’s give him a chance.
My personal theory (no insider sources here either!) is that Kirkby will be built, and at that stage Everton will be an extremely attractive proposition to a major new investor (largely debt free, new ground, good squad, great fans etc. etc.). Bill will then stand aside, making a tidy profit in the process. But it’s not a bad scenario for Everton.
The problem with getting a big new investor in so far I can only assume is that no-one wanted to take on the responsibility of paying for the new ground.
Steve Mc
6 Posted 22/07/2007 at 19:44:07
6 Posted 22/07/2007 at 19:44:07
Neil, it appears that one of you is actually getting to grips with what the majority of ’no’s are saying, ’let’s have a look’ if LCC are indeed arse covering then it’s easy to find out and put the matter to rest.
In response to your last theory though I will say one thing, Portsmouth.
In response to your last theory though I will say one thing, Portsmouth.
Dan Mckie
7 Posted 22/07/2007 at 19:55:08
7 Posted 22/07/2007 at 19:55:08
Warren Bradley is managing to use a lot of words without actually saying anything (which you could also accuse of BK and KW but thats not my point). If he came out and said "microsoft offered £200 mil no strings for a site in liverpool but BK told me to shove it up my arse" then maybe it would be worth listening to and judging the Everton top brass but he aint!
Brian Waring
8 Posted 22/07/2007 at 20:52:24
8 Posted 22/07/2007 at 20:52:24
Neil,could it be a first for this debate?A pro and anti Kirkby agreeing on at least one thing.I just hope Kenwright does get togethor with Bradley and see whats on the table.I promise you one thing mate,if they do get togethor and it turns out Bradley is full of bullshit,he will get one hell of a slating in a letter from me,as one Evertonian to another.
Neil Pearse
9 Posted 22/07/2007 at 23:30:44
9 Posted 22/07/2007 at 23:30:44
Thanks Brian! By the way, I am only pro Kirkby because I think currently it is our only option.
If the truth be told, I find it hard to imagine that BK couldn’t have found a big investor for Everton some time ago - one who would have been willing to fund a ground in the city. Unfortunately I think it’s too late for that now, and we have to make the best of a bad job. The investor will still have to come later - BK hasn’t the long term money to take our club where it needs to go.
Since I am pretty sure that Bradley is arse-covering and grandstanding, I very much look forward to your letter to him!
If the truth be told, I find it hard to imagine that BK couldn’t have found a big investor for Everton some time ago - one who would have been willing to fund a ground in the city. Unfortunately I think it’s too late for that now, and we have to make the best of a bad job. The investor will still have to come later - BK hasn’t the long term money to take our club where it needs to go.
Since I am pretty sure that Bradley is arse-covering and grandstanding, I very much look forward to your letter to him!
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1 Posted 22/07/2007 at 17:43:28
Nothing Warren Bradley has said has made an iota of difference to that basic fact. All he is doing is defending his own political arse. In the most disgraceful manner he is providing hope to Evertonians where no hope actually exists.
If you vote "no" because of Mr Bradley’s fictitious, last minute sites - then God help us all.