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When the club is moved to Kirkby, the management will be looking for an extra 18,000 supporters. Now if the vote is a 51%-49% result, have the club taken into consideration, what % of the 49% will not go and watch at Kirkby? We will need even more support and just where will they all come from? I don't knnow how many people live in Kirkby, but will it be enough to fill the ground? I personally doubt the club have thought this out properly. Just a thought of mine, which I think needs a bit of thought and consideration.
Colin Potter, Posted 29/07/2007 at 10:42:01
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Michael Kenrick
Gosh, no... nobody has thought of this, Colin.
Erik Dols
1 Posted 29/07/2007 at 17:25:12
1 Posted 29/07/2007 at 17:25:12
Where to start? 18000 extra spectators? That’s a figure the club never mentioned, or I would be really wrong here. They’re hoping for an extra 10000 fans, maybe 15000, to visit the stadium for home matches. Kirkby is going to hold 50000 fans, we’ve pulled somewhere high in the 36K last year on average, so there’s no room for these 18000 in the plans.
And a lot of no-voters will come to the new stadium, most probably.
I can only speak for myself, but I’ll vote "no" and still show up at Kirkby as often as I went to Goodison.
And a lot of no-voters will come to the new stadium, most probably.
I can only speak for myself, but I’ll vote "no" and still show up at Kirkby as often as I went to Goodison.
Ray Robinson
2 Posted 29/07/2007 at 20:06:05
2 Posted 29/07/2007 at 20:06:05
Based on what has happened with other clubs who have upgraded their grounds, there WILL be an initial increase in attendances.
However, on the basis of so much (unique?) opposition to the move, I’d guess that we’d also risk losing quite a bit of support.
So losing some diehard traditionalists (say 20%) but gaining another 10,000 say, I’d guess at 36,000 - 7,000 + 10,000 = crowds around the 40,000 mark.
All pure conjecture and subject to what is going on the field, of course. The key would be to consolidate the newcomers to ensure that they becomes as passionate as those that they’ve replaced. Not that easy in today’s success driven market.
However, on the basis of so much (unique?) opposition to the move, I’d guess that we’d also risk losing quite a bit of support.
So losing some diehard traditionalists (say 20%) but gaining another 10,000 say, I’d guess at 36,000 - 7,000 + 10,000 = crowds around the 40,000 mark.
All pure conjecture and subject to what is going on the field, of course. The key would be to consolidate the newcomers to ensure that they becomes as passionate as those that they’ve replaced. Not that easy in today’s success driven market.
Roy coyne
3 Posted 29/07/2007 at 22:02:43
3 Posted 29/07/2007 at 22:02:43
My first reaction was I will not go to Kirkby,But in my heart I know I will weaken and go but I will not buy a season ticket first because its my little protest at the move and second why use my credit card and have interest to pay when as we will not fill the ground I can pay weekly also I wont buy any of the usual refreshments(trade descriptions?) or programme again its I would willingly donate a fair proportion of my income to the club but not while Billy &bully rule
Bob Turner
4 Posted 30/07/2007 at 10:22:48
4 Posted 30/07/2007 at 10:22:48
I thought that, given we’re supposed to be the best fans in the country, we would follow Everton wherever they went. I guess I thought wrong...
Dave Thompson
5 Posted 30/07/2007 at 10:33:08
5 Posted 30/07/2007 at 10:33:08
Michael,
Your "interview" with Keith Wyness touched upon crowds attracted to new stadia, and you appended data to support the statement that extra thousands would be attracted.
However, you did not extrapolate that in most of the cases, average attendance at those stadia after the "novelty period" was around 60% of capacity, even where relative success had been achieved, i.e Sunderland winning the Championship and ’Boro having a good UEFA Cup run.
Taking that figure, there would be no significant jump in Evertons attendances after 2012, and the figure of £10M extra in the transfer kitty is very hard to justify, unless prices rise by a trememdous amount.
You did not take up the CEO’s assertion that by moving 5 miles, the catchment within a 45 minute drive would increase by 2.7 million to 4 million people. If the figure of 1 hour had been used, those 2.7 million (wherever they might live) would have been included already. Are you and KW of the opinion that the extra 15 minutes is putting off all of those people from watching Everton?
Presumably, they must live in the band which loops Greater Manchester, through Bolton and up past Blackburn and Preston. No competition there, then.
I appreciate you only had a certain amount of time for your meeting, but did you challenge Keith Wyness on any single point he made?
Your "interview" with Keith Wyness touched upon crowds attracted to new stadia, and you appended data to support the statement that extra thousands would be attracted.
However, you did not extrapolate that in most of the cases, average attendance at those stadia after the "novelty period" was around 60% of capacity, even where relative success had been achieved, i.e Sunderland winning the Championship and ’Boro having a good UEFA Cup run.
Taking that figure, there would be no significant jump in Evertons attendances after 2012, and the figure of £10M extra in the transfer kitty is very hard to justify, unless prices rise by a trememdous amount.
You did not take up the CEO’s assertion that by moving 5 miles, the catchment within a 45 minute drive would increase by 2.7 million to 4 million people. If the figure of 1 hour had been used, those 2.7 million (wherever they might live) would have been included already. Are you and KW of the opinion that the extra 15 minutes is putting off all of those people from watching Everton?
Presumably, they must live in the band which loops Greater Manchester, through Bolton and up past Blackburn and Preston. No competition there, then.
I appreciate you only had a certain amount of time for your meeting, but did you challenge Keith Wyness on any single point he made?
matt
6 Posted 30/07/2007 at 12:50:36
6 Posted 30/07/2007 at 12:50:36
The extra supporters mentioned to fill the new ground would be as Keane once put it ’the prawn sandwich brigade’. Corporate clients rather than tru supporters. Not a problem though considering the additional revenue.
Tom Hughes
7 Posted 30/07/2007 at 13:25:59
7 Posted 30/07/2007 at 13:25:59
So we would want to change our fanbase? Why? What kind of strategy is that? Can we also say that investing in the team and winning something might put bums on seats too, Or that instead of spending £20-30m on our deposit for Kirkby we could rebuild the Parkend, remodel the mainstand and reroof the old stands to lose the obstructed views in their upper tiers, and still reach 50,000 without alienating a large proportion of our fans.
Paul Burns
8 Posted 30/07/2007 at 13:37:40
8 Posted 30/07/2007 at 13:37:40
They can call the team Kirkby Town Dons, another ugly franchise job and we’ll keep the proper Everton FC in the city its meant to be in.
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