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Mr Leahy & Tesco
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The pro-Kirkby lot would have us believe that we're getting a brand new stadium on the cheap because of Mr Leahy's influence. It's a gifthorse that shouldn't be frowned upon.
Like other contributors, I would challenge this strongly. There is no free lunch in this deal and if Mr Leahy was somehow manipulating his position at Tesco to provide Everton with special favours then I'm sure their corporate governance department would have something to say about it.
It all leads to the nightmare scenario where the club is saddled with shit loads of debt, unable to meet the predicted attendance figures, and... well, you can guess the rest.
I would implore Everton Football Club to get off it's fucking arse and go and look at the viability of the other option on Friday. Also, sign some fucking players before the start of the season as we'll go backwards once more and if that happens all stadium talk won't be worth shite.
Anthony Newell, Posted 01/08/2007 at 21:11:36
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2 Posted 01/08/2007 at 21:48:40
3 Posted 01/08/2007 at 22:01:13
4 Posted 01/08/2007 at 22:09:18
My first thought when anybody writes anything on here is what bloody business knowledge have they got. In most cases I suspect it is little more than a window round or running a grubby corner shop.
I agree there is no such thing as a free lunch but look at Tesco’s profits andd they will soon gain back the £50 million quid they put in for buying the land.
Plus why would they shaft us???
Is everbody forgetting they will lose 50% of their potential customers if they do.
5 Posted 01/08/2007 at 22:27:34
I totally agree with you. It’s one of the reasons why I’m not too sure that putting this up for a vote was a good idea. The fact is that most people don’t understand the first thing about business so putting such a major financial decision in the hands of so many who do not have the background to make an accurate decision is a bit scary. Can’t wait to see some of the responses to this.
6 Posted 01/08/2007 at 22:16:08
The whole viability of the Tesco scheme assumes that we will get 50,000 attendance figures out in Kirkby and vastly increased corporate patronage. I don’t buy it, sorry. Show me some fucking reasoned evidence instead of plucking numbers out of the air or assuming there is an untapped wealth of support just waiting to be snapped up. A stadium close to the city centre has all the potential to get vastly increased attendances as it doesn’t inconvenience it’s core support base by virtue of location and is also better placed to pick up those visitors to the city and corporate bods who can’t be arsed to travel out to Kirkby, sorry that’s fact. After Kings Dock & Fortress I would regard anything proposed by Kenwright or Wyness as demanding closer scrutiny. Moving away from the city when so much regeneration is going on with new commercial opporunities to be leveraged on is fucking madness
7 Posted 01/08/2007 at 22:37:34
This is were Big Keith is thinking off when he says catchhment area of 4.5 million. He is thinking of away support as well. I love the city of Liverpool but I bet it is not the most welcoming of places if you are lost in Spurs(et al) shirt especially if you have just won.
8 Posted 01/08/2007 at 22:39:57
9 Posted 01/08/2007 at 22:21:25
Am I being nieve in thinking that if somebody used their money and invested £75Million redeveloping my back garden would that not increase the value of my property?
Am I being nieve in thinking that if somebody else paid for all the flowers and plants in said garden would I only need to add a little cheap water to see the garden flourish?
Am I being nieve in thinking that if I turned down the opportunity of said free garden and blooming flowers and plants could I end up with a crazy-paved quick fix that no gardeners would find attractive enough to want to nurcher?
And am I being nieve in thinking that if I let my heart rule my head and reject Byzantium simply because the grass grew 1.5miles outside my domain would I end up grave digging instead?
10 Posted 01/08/2007 at 22:57:35
11 Posted 01/08/2007 at 23:00:24
Yes Anthony they teach you business well in London obviously!!
12 Posted 01/08/2007 at 23:04:44
Surely this whole conversation is about Location, Location, Location or have you lost sight of the debate?
13 Posted 01/08/2007 at 23:03:58
14 Posted 01/08/2007 at 23:09:41
15 Posted 01/08/2007 at 23:00:48
16 Posted 01/08/2007 at 23:13:24
In one corner we have Anthony Newell and in the other we have Terry Leahy I know which one I reckon has got the best idea.
I tell you what after the vote if the Kirkby option loses I bet big Keith will resign. If so I will look forward to your future appointment.
I can just see kenwright announcing at the agm "Our new chief executive Anthony Newell straight from the investment banks in London"
17 Posted 01/08/2007 at 23:16:13
(Marks for spelling welcome)
18 Posted 01/08/2007 at 23:19:33
19 Posted 01/08/2007 at 23:32:24
20 Posted 01/08/2007 at 23:34:46
I just thought that if somebody else built my brand new home I would not have a huge mortgage to pay.
Yet your astute business presentiment determines that by rejecting the partnership and going-it-alone the huge mortgage we accrue will obviously not be an issue with regards to developing the organic growth of both Everton Football Club and the business that drives it.
Go check what presentiment means mate!
21 Posted 01/08/2007 at 23:55:17
22 Posted 01/08/2007 at 23:49:31
If somebody came along and offered to build your brand new home scot free, I am confident you would be savvy enough to ask to see the small print. After the failed Kings Dock and the mirage that was Fortress, wouldn’t you want to know more?
It would appear that many support this move because they think ’we can get 50,000 easily and they will walk anywhere’ Sounds like superb and detailed business forecasting
I’ll leave you now to your dictionary
23 Posted 01/08/2007 at 23:45:15
Anthony, can you or any other of your group answer that single most important question. Please do no come up with a mysterious Magwitch just waiting for the Kirkby option to collapse.
24 Posted 02/08/2007 at 00:02:29
"Also, sign some fucking players before the start of the season as we’ll go backwards once more and if that happens all stadium talk won’t be worth shite."
Yes a fine well reasoned argument Anthony.
I can just see it at Bestway now "Hey we have this fucking useless bit of land in a middle of a roundabout which we can do bugger all with. Tell you what lets sell it to Everton for 15 mill and they can build a stadium on it"
Big Keith "Oh cheers lads what a great idea. We can build a useless stadium on a roundabout with no roadlinks which will attract no extra fans and will put us millions extra in debt. But don’t worry Anthony and his mates can go to the pub before the game. Kirkby what were we thinking?"
FFS everyone wake up!!
25 Posted 02/08/2007 at 00:02:05
26 Posted 02/08/2007 at 00:08:03
But you are assuming that BK and KW are the steering group here. How do you know that this is fact?
Maybe Sir T and his firepower have been granted licence to think strategically and guide our corridors of power correctly for a change?
As a lawyer if you were up against me in court now I would have you silenced because your argument is based on conjecture - not fact.
27 Posted 02/08/2007 at 00:23:25
That’s how I, and a lot of my mates feel too. We don’t necessarily want to move to Kirkby but I know in my heart it is the only true option available.
For the last 30 years, like us all here, I have made EFC my life, but if we fuck this one up we could end up throwing the baby out with the bath water - and that would be a nightmare for us all to administer in the forthcoming years.
28 Posted 02/08/2007 at 01:11:36
Corporate confidentialty? Fair enough, but you can’t call a ballot on the issue, come up with a whole list of numbers, refuse to show how you got there, and then still expect fans to vote your way. Kenwright is either a born idiot or a bloody liar. The Kings Dock fiasco, the Rooney transfer, the Fortress Funding episode shortly followed by the departure of Paul Gregg...I wouldn’t trust him to run a bomb shop in Baghdad.
I would urge anyone with a vote to demand some answers to the questions raised here, and if none are forthcoming to vote NO to the Kirkby project.
@ Karl P -The club will lose absoluterly nothing by voting NO, whereas the Kirkby vote will probably cement Kenwrights control of the club for the long term. In which case we can expect another twelve years of trophyless misery, and perpetual off field fuckups. Moyes can manage a football team that can compete in the top five. But I doubt very much whether "Billy Bullshit" "Billy Liar" "Kenwrong" is in amongst the best TWENTY chairmen.
29 Posted 02/08/2007 at 01:26:25
30 Posted 02/08/2007 at 03:25:27
31 Posted 02/08/2007 at 07:34:33
If we just dismiss the offer from Tescos as being "too good to be true" scenario then we will just be holding the club back.
I am damn sure that Wyness(as much as people don’t like him), along with Bill have checked the small print on such a deal to make sure it is in the best interest of the club.
For all the NO voters out there who want to either redevelop GP or build in the City, just smell the roses WE HAVE NO MONEY.
32 Posted 02/08/2007 at 08:33:41
33 Posted 02/08/2007 at 09:22:46
They have only pointed out that ALL the recent history of clubs moving to new stadia, each club has experienced a substantial increase in attendances.
Stick to the facts and give the club some credit.
To my knowledge, they are the only professional club ever to have offered their fanbase a ’vote’ on whether to move location, and yet people like yourself still slag them continually.
34 Posted 02/08/2007 at 10:54:35
35 Posted 02/08/2007 at 11:27:26
36 Posted 02/08/2007 at 11:48:40
Well said Patty, but it’s the "push come to shove" that concerns me. To be honest I’m getting fed up of arguing and a little bit down about the divisifeness this whole debate has created. I’ll be glad to start talking about football again
37 Posted 02/08/2007 at 11:39:19
You really are struggling to understand that Tesco will actaully get something out of this deal too. There building yet another superstore so the people of Kirkby will shop there. Simple facts... Build a store, and the customers will shop, its a tesco ffs.
The partnership end of the deal means we get a nice new stadium next to the store, and any publicity/marketing for Everton will no doubt be giving tesco a mention. I agree nothing in this world is free, but look a little further than the end of your nose and you see tesco will get shit loads out of this, as will we get a new ground.
As for attendance figures, if a number of die hards won’t travel another 4 miles to watch their team then they really have to ask themselves a question. Agreed it won’t quite be the same matchday experience many have known for years, but there is pubs in and around kirkby you know, and i’m sure if we wanted to take them over on a saturday afternoon we could. Rule with your head.
38 Posted 02/08/2007 at 11:52:38
50% of his potential customers in his Kirkby store would boycot if he did(Look at the Sun effect if you don’t believe me)
39 Posted 02/08/2007 at 11:58:35
40 Posted 02/08/2007 at 12:12:49
41 Posted 02/08/2007 at 15:57:58
42 Posted 02/08/2007 at 19:37:59
Don’t let the bastards get you down. What you created here was healthy debate.
Big up to ya!
43 Posted 06/08/2007 at 14:42:54
Chelsea have Vladimir Putin?s best mate, Roman Abramovich, bankrolling their circus, known more commonly as a Premier League football team. Abramovich?s billions also helped ensure Vladimir Putin?s reign in Russia continued during the last elections there. His money helped support a regime committed to the regression of democracy in Russia, as well as the continued oppression of the people of Chechnya, and increased military spending helping polarize and agitate their neighbors.
Strange days indeed, when such characters can waltz in and purchase an entire football team. Alas, the promise of money and better players always seems to quell any sort of opposition to these proposed takeovers resulting in minimum fuss in their quest to turn a football club into a money making cash cow.
But what does this have to do with Everton? Good question. While, luckily, we have not been approached from the murky underworld by an oil tycoon, we have been offered a deal by the Tesco corporation. I have made it known on Toffeeweb before about my opposition to the move to Kirkby and my opposition to Tesco owning the naming rights to our new stadium, wherever it may be. But I also wanted to shed some light on Tesco?s practices as a company, both in England and around the world.
As recently as two months ago, the Guardian reported on farmer?s working conditions in South Africa, Tesco?s main supplier of fruit and other produce, as lacking in any kind of living wage, workers referring to their boss as ?master?, and also being paid a miserly 30p an hour for their troubles. Over a year ago Tesco acknowledged their inhumane working conditions and promised to become a member of ETI (the Ethical Trading Initiative) in an effort to protect their workers. All evidence points to it being a token gesture made in order to clean up their public image.
Conditions in South Africa have actually worsened and the people who stood up to Tesco and asked to have their basic human rights respected have been strategically persecuted by those working above them, namely their ?masters?. A deplorable situation and one that is not the exception to Tesco?s policy of exploitation of cheap labor, but the rule.
A woman on a South African pear farm receives 32.50 pounds every 2 weeks (significantly less than the government mandated minimum wage of 38 pounds) while at the same time Tesco?s yearly profit margin topped the 2 billion mark. This is not the kind of unethical inhumane treatment that I want associated with Everton Football Club. Tesco was also recently linked with a violation of child labor laws in Bangladeshi textile factories where workers were being paid 11 cents an hour and some were as young as 9 years old. Tesco denied the allegations and said they were conducting their own ?internal investigation? but where there is smoke there is fire.
Research has pointed to Tesco?s mistreatment of its workers, mainly women and children, as being systemic and calculated. I do not want this company?s name associated with Everton Football Club. I do not want their dirty money buying players that don?t give a shit about Everton. Everton is different than Man City and Chelsea because we haven?t sold out to outside influences. If we do we will no longer be ?The People?s Club?, we will be a corporation.
A corporation whose track record of miserly wages and violations of child and labor laws is extremely alarming. Say no to Kirkby and so no to Tesco and their dirty money. (I will provide the links to the articles regarding the working conditions in South Africa and Bangladesh on request).


1 Posted 01/08/2007 at 21:42:47
You see they have had no involvement in Everton up to now - Leahy knows how desperate Wyness and Kenwright are - simple as that