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It always takes two to tango

Just returned from a few days away (relief). Returned to a mail bag that is (in the main) understandably pouring venom towards the board, in what has been (again, in the main... some people actually think what's happening is fine?) a hugely disappointing summer.

One contribution did catch my eye. Well done, Ray Robinson, (Warrington) for generating debate surrounding Moyes' role in this shambles.

I'll support you 100% in casting doubt on Moyes being a total victim here.

David Moyes has been the source of polarised views on this site. However, we could all unite on the fact that he is a man of principle, who knows his mind and has moral consistency underpinning him. Admirable qualities in the "dirty world" that so often is football in 2007.

Somewhat incongruous then that Moyes appears to be almost supine in his meek acceptance of the continued plight that affects Everton.

To me, seeing him operate in the way he does, it doesn't stack up. Therefore to me, he's compliant and complicit in the shenanigans. £11M for Gonzalez...? well it's so warped it's beneath contempt.

I draw this conclusion from the fact that Moyes, playing it the way he is, cannot lose in this scenario. Quite rightly he can take the plaudits when he does well against the massive odds...if we fail...well it's a resource issue...not your/my fault David. His copybook is clean and clubs will employ him... no question.

For a man who portrays a zeal for success and talks up Everton, after 5 seasons he should be knocking on Kenwright's door. If he does not or chooses not to, then that's fine. I can accept that. He's perfectly entitled to protect his interests.

That being the case, let's not then have the duplicity of him playing the victim. In you know who and you know who, there is enough bull coming from the club without him adding to it.

The relationship between Kenwright and Moyes suits both parties.Make no mistake in that. Kenwright should not take the brunt alone.
James McPherson, Liverpool Posted 05/08/2007 at 12:42:42

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Lyndon

Indications are that Moyes is not a happy bunny right now and you can understand why. Once again he's duking it out in the transfer ring with two hands tied behind his back. God forbid he walks out in frustration in the near future...

Robbie Kirkham
1 Posted 05/08/2007 at 17:14:59

I agree he should be banging Kenwrights door down demamnding money i like Moyes but his relationship is to cosy with Kenwright look at the other fella across the park he demanded money be spent and he got it i know we can’t compete cash wise with them but surely we can afford the odd 6million here and there.

Kieran Kinsella
2 Posted 05/08/2007 at 18:46:33

The Gonzalez thing is just a cover to keep us distracted while they try and quietly offload McFadden and Van Der Meyde. It cracks me up when we seel people and then moan about being short on numbers. Last year Moyes said we were short because we "lost Kilbane on the deadline day." It wasn’t as if he was stolen in the dead of the night ! I guess he’ll be complaining soon that we also have "lost" Weir, Wright, Pistone, Beattie and Naysmith all in exchange for a net profit of $2 million plus a 3rd right back in the first team squad. I am sure it was also come as a huge surprise when Anichebe and Yobo bugger off to play for Nigeria mid season leaving us with at best 2 fit strikers and 2 centre halfs. Nice work Billy and Davey I know you have our best interests at heart. not !

paul
3 Posted 05/08/2007 at 18:56:30

We need 5 players urgently, Baines Vogel, Gonzalez, a striker and a centre back. Time is running out., Kenwright has let the fans down big time yet again

Roy coyne
4 Posted 05/08/2007 at 19:27:39

If I was Moyes I would walk his track record means other clubs would be after him,But only Moyes knows the complete facts unless Billy and Bully feed him the shite we get like this £11 bid we all no is bogus if we cant afford Smiths wages how can we pay £11mil plus wagers sorry but once again Bill tries to fool us but not this time KENWRIGHT OUT

Anthony Newell
5 Posted 05/08/2007 at 20:29:24

Would agree with you there. I would also add that Moyes’ whole body language, zest and enthusiasm for Everton seems to have fallen away in recent seasons which has been a source of concern

I thought the signing of Johnson had reinvigorated Moyes and his celebration after the winner in the Arsenal game suggested as much. This doesn’t appear to be the case though and if you take away Moyes’ enthusiasm and determination you are left with a limited manager: non-progressive, cautious. Moyes has failed to get the team playing football consisently on the deck and his whole ethos is built around winning through attrition. There hasn’t been much to suggest he will change this approach

I remember Moyes coming out after we got beat by Liverpool at home a few seasons back, face like a slapped arse and complaining about a lack of support to push the side on. He’s not been saying these things in recent seasons and just appears to have accepted the sorry excuse of a board we have. To have a manager going through the motions and a board happy to make do and mend is a very sorry state of affairs and needs changing quickly

I would like to see a radical overhaul of the club - change of ownership AND management. We can only pray that this happens sooner rather than later. If the rumours are true, maybe him going and the resultant pressure on Kenwright could bring this possibility tantalisingly close

Dick Fearon
6 Posted 06/08/2007 at 00:49:41

Is it not possible that Moyes more than anyone recognises we are one step away from bankruptcy.
It is only his dogged determination not to surrender that keeps him here.
Under the Hamper man we were fast becoming a lost cause. With BK we are financially treading water.

Our main hope is a new stadium that will lure a white knight. Where that stadium is built is not as important as that it must be built and soon as possible. Meanwhile we should be grateful that one of the games best young managers is in control.

James
7 Posted 06/08/2007 at 07:24:44

Dick, good to hear your response.

Take on board what you say.

However, with respect, my mail centred around the mixed messages Moyes has delivered.

I am no Kenwright fan, but I do feel that all negativity is dropped upon him. I think Moyes too should share some of the criticism as he is part and parcel of the extremely poor communication emerging from the club.

Please ask yourself whether the messages emerging from the club (through words and actions) are in any way contradictory to those bullish statements in May. My view is naturally yes to that.

As an Evertonian, you will know that we as fans have tough skins to deal with the good and bad of football life.

What Evertonians do not like is deception around the unpalatable facts. Hence the feverish antagonism on this site presently.

That’s sad to see.

For the record, I do share your view that in the main Moyes is a benefit to Everton in this present climate. I just query his motives being 100% alturistic.

sevron
8 Posted 06/08/2007 at 08:11:37

Anyone thought that the reason you don’t hear about Moyes banging on Kenwrights door is because he is a professional and does these things in private. For all you know the money to buy Jags was only released after a rather lengthy discussion between Moyes and BK with the former putting the pressure on and the latter caving.
Sometimes I get the impression that some people would rather spread blame than support.

Pat ty
9 Posted 06/08/2007 at 09:13:13

I think the Gonzalez bid is a red herring - when we are told our bid was turned down we will also be told "See we tried to sign a top notch player - its not our fault". Apart from that if he did sign for us, surely there would be a delay while a permit was sorted out, or does the fact he plays in Europe mean he wouldn’t need one?